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locked Re: blank line reading by NVDA

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Arleen,

 

I think Zara is afraid of change. What helped me go from XP to windows 7 was a tutorial I bought from National Braille Press. I got the XP computer in 2005 and it died in 2011. That's when I went to windows 7. Then in 2015 I upgraded to windows 10 and have been here since then. I love learning new things and I hope Zara will learn to love new things too.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 7:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank line reading by NVDA

 

Hey Zara! Are you afraid of change?  The reason I’m asking you this. If you are and you are sayig you like xp. Trust me I’ve been there!  I was not so scared to go windows 7. But I was afraid of ten. I’m here on ten and still trying to adjust!  My 7 box sound card burned out. So did some of my usb ports.  That 7 box was going down the tube. Now I’m on ten.  I try to do things like I did with 7. Because I forget this is win ten.  It takes getting used to. You really need to let xp go.  I say this because Rosemarie is right one day your xp box wil bite the dust.  It will badly slow down on you it may not go on the web very well.  Trust me Zara I’ve been there. With my xp box it would not go on IE quickly. I had to give it to a sighted person.  Not trying to scare you Zara.  Reallity is you have to move on like it or not. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October 10, 2019 7:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank line reading by NVDA

 

Hi, Zara,

 

Not trying to be mean but will you still be thankful when you can't use your computer anymore because of out-of-date programs?

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra

Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 7:16 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] blank line reading by NVDA

 

i always appreciate developers of opensource softwares.

i always pray for them even in my five times daily obligatory prayers!

i am grateful to God that created me in the time of technology.

i always pray and request divine infinite mercy and blessings for developers of my favorite softwares, and i always emphasize my appreciation towards them.

for most my favorite programs, including firefox, nvda, and thunderbird, i am satisfied with the versions that i have and select to use those versions forever!

 

On 10/10/19, Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:

> zahra

> In the case of his add-on, there is nothing you can do if you are

> going to stay in Windows XP with NVDA 2017.2 or 2017.3. He has not

> chosen to

> make it backward compatible even with NVDA 2019.2, so

> 2017.3 is a hopeless case unless you write your own.

> For some add-ons, it is not that difficult to make them compatible

> with old

> versions of NVDA. However others use features that are only available

> in newer versions of NVDA, or are so difficult to implement in older

> versions that nobody wants to bother given how few people use those

> old versions.

> Sometimes some developers will make an effort to make sure things work

> for users who won't, or can't, advance along with the vast majority.

> But that is completely optional, and you can never expect that to

> happen, just be grateful when it does. In this case, it isn't

> happening.

> I am sorry if this sounds harsh, but if you choose to stay in the

> stone age, do not be surprised if you are more and more isolated

> there, with fewer people looking back to see if new things will meet

> your needs.

> By choosing to stay in the past, you are choosing to miss out. That's

> just how it works.

> Luke

> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019, zahra wrote:

>> what should i do?

>> the best version of nvda is 2017.2 that i wish to use it forever!

>> can you please guide me step by step what should i do in this regard?

>> 

>> On 10/10/19, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:

>>> I am now working on a new add-on called Phonetic Punctuation - I

>>> hope to release a stable version in the next couple of weeks - it

>>> will allow you to accomplish that. It can also replace the word

>>> blank with a configurable auditory icon, or just with silence. The

>>> catch is that this add-on is only going to work with NVDA versions 2019.3 and above.

>>> 

>>> If you're interested - so far a not very stable version available:

>>> 

>>> https://github.com/mltony/nvda-phonetic-punctuation

>>> 

>>> But if you're looking to completely remove the word "blank" from

>>> speech

>>> - you can also do what others have suggested and do it in speech

>>> dictionary.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> --Tony

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> On 10/8/2019 12:35 AM, Afik Souffir wrote:

>>>> 

>>>> Hi,

>>>> 

>>>> My name is Afik, from Israel, I’m almost 21 years old.

>>>> 

>>>> I want to ask, how can I stop NVDA to read or show in braille blank

>>>> lines, such in emails, websites, or other platforms?

>>>> 

>>>> Thanks

>>>> 

>>>> Afik Souffir

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> --

> Luke Davis

> Moderator: the new NVDA Help mailing list!

> (https://groups.io/g/NVDAHelp)

> Author: Debug Helper NVDA add-on

> (https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/debugHelper.en.html)

>

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


locked Re: blank line reading by NVDA

Arlene
 

Hey Zara! Are you afraid of change?  The reason I’m asking you this. If you are and you are sayig you like xp. Trust me I’ve been there!  I was not so scared to go windows 7. But I was afraid of ten. I’m here on ten and still trying to adjust!  My 7 box sound card burned out. So did some of my usb ports.  That 7 box was going down the tube. Now I’m on ten.  I try to do things like I did with 7. Because I forget this is win ten.  It takes getting used to. You really need to let xp go.  I say this because Rosemarie is right one day your xp box wil bite the dust.  It will badly slow down on you it may not go on the web very well.  Trust me Zara I’ve been there. With my xp box it would not go on IE quickly. I had to give it to a sighted person.  Not trying to scare you Zara.  Reallity is you have to move on like it or not. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October 10, 2019 7:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank line reading by NVDA

 

Hi, Zara,

 

Not trying to be mean but will you still be thankful when you can't use your computer anymore because of out-of-date programs?

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra

Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 7:16 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] blank line reading by NVDA

 

i always appreciate developers of opensource softwares.

i always pray for them even in my five times daily obligatory prayers!

i am grateful to God that created me in the time of technology.

i always pray and request divine infinite mercy and blessings for developers of my favorite softwares, and i always emphasize my appreciation towards them.

for most my favorite programs, including firefox, nvda, and thunderbird, i am satisfied with the versions that i have and select to use those versions forever!

 

On 10/10/19, Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:

> zahra

> In the case of his add-on, there is nothing you can do if you are

> going to stay in Windows XP with NVDA 2017.2 or 2017.3. He has not

> chosen to

> make it backward compatible even with NVDA 2019.2, so

> 2017.3 is a hopeless case unless you write your own.

> For some add-ons, it is not that difficult to make them compatible

> with old

> versions of NVDA. However others use features that are only available

> in newer versions of NVDA, or are so difficult to implement in older

> versions that nobody wants to bother given how few people use those

> old versions.

> Sometimes some developers will make an effort to make sure things work

> for users who won't, or can't, advance along with the vast majority.

> But that is completely optional, and you can never expect that to

> happen, just be grateful when it does. In this case, it isn't

> happening.

> I am sorry if this sounds harsh, but if you choose to stay in the

> stone age, do not be surprised if you are more and more isolated

> there, with fewer people looking back to see if new things will meet

> your needs.

> By choosing to stay in the past, you are choosing to miss out. That's

> just how it works.

> Luke

> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019, zahra wrote:

>> what should i do?

>> the best version of nvda is 2017.2 that i wish to use it forever!

>> can you please guide me step by step what should i do in this regard?

>> 

>> On 10/10/19, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:

>>> I am now working on a new add-on called Phonetic Punctuation - I

>>> hope to release a stable version in the next couple of weeks - it

>>> will allow you to accomplish that. It can also replace the word

>>> blank with a configurable auditory icon, or just with silence. The

>>> catch is that this add-on is only going to work with NVDA versions 2019.3 and above.

>>> 

>>> If you're interested - so far a not very stable version available:

>>> 

>>> https://github.com/mltony/nvda-phonetic-punctuation

>>> 

>>> But if you're looking to completely remove the word "blank" from

>>> speech

>>> - you can also do what others have suggested and do it in speech

>>> dictionary.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> --Tony

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> On 10/8/2019 12:35 AM, Afik Souffir wrote:

>>>> 

>>>> Hi,

>>>> 

>>>> My name is Afik, from Israel, I’m almost 21 years old.

>>>> 

>>>> I want to ask, how can I stop NVDA to read or show in braille blank

>>>> lines, such in emails, websites, or other platforms?

>>>> 

>>>> Thanks

>>>> 

>>>> Afik Souffir

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> --

> Luke Davis

> Moderator: the new NVDA Help mailing list!

> (https://groups.io/g/NVDAHelp)

> Author: Debug Helper NVDA add-on

> (https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/debugHelper.en.html)

>

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


locked Re: blank line reading by NVDA

 

yes, as i said, having updated programs is not important for me!
i have download link and installer for my favorite programs and there
favorite versions to use forever!
for me, the best version is not the last and newest version!

On 10/11/19, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
Hi, Zara,

Not trying to be mean but will you still be thankful when you can't use your
computer anymore because of out-of-date programs?

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 7:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank line reading by NVDA

i always appreciate developers of opensource softwares.
i always pray for them even in my five times daily obligatory prayers!
i am grateful to God that created me in the time of technology.
i always pray and request divine infinite mercy and blessings for developers
of my favorite softwares, and i always emphasize my appreciation towards
them.
for most my favorite programs, including firefox, nvda, and thunderbird, i
am satisfied with the versions that i have and select to use those versions
forever!

On 10/10/19, Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:
zahra

In the case of his add-on, there is nothing you can do if you are
going to stay in Windows XP with NVDA 2017.2 or 2017.3. He has not
chosen to

make it backward compatible even with NVDA 2019.2, so
2017.3 is a hopeless case unless you write your own.

For some add-ons, it is not that difficult to make them compatible
with old

versions of NVDA. However others use features that are only available
in newer versions of NVDA, or are so difficult to implement in older
versions that nobody wants to bother given how few people use those
old versions.

Sometimes some developers will make an effort to make sure things work
for users who won't, or can't, advance along with the vast majority.
But that is completely optional, and you can never expect that to
happen, just be grateful when it does. In this case, it isn't
happening.

I am sorry if this sounds harsh, but if you choose to stay in the
stone age, do not be surprised if you are more and more isolated
there, with fewer people looking back to see if new things will meet
your needs.
By choosing to stay in the past, you are choosing to miss out. That's
just how it works.

Luke

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019, zahra wrote:

what should i do?
the best version of nvda is 2017.2 that i wish to use it forever!
can you please guide me step by step what should i do in this regard?

On 10/10/19, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:
I am now working on a new add-on called Phonetic Punctuation - I
hope to release a stable version in the next couple of weeks - it
will allow you to accomplish that. It can also replace the word
blank with a configurable auditory icon, or just with silence. The
catch is that this add-on is only going to work with NVDA versions
2019.3 and above.

If you're interested - so far a not very stable version available:

https://github.com/mltony/nvda-phonetic-punctuation

But if you're looking to completely remove the word "blank" from
speech
- you can also do what others have suggested and do it in speech
dictionary.


--Tony



On 10/8/2019 12:35 AM, Afik Souffir wrote:

Hi,

My name is Afik, from Israel, I’m almost 21 years old.

I want to ask, how can I stop NVDA to read or show in braille blank
lines, such in emails, websites, or other platforms?

Thanks

Afik Souffir




--
Luke Davis
Moderator: the new NVDA Help mailing list!
(https://groups.io/g/NVDAHelp)
Author: Debug Helper NVDA add-on
(https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/debugHelper.en.html)




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


locked Re: blank line reading by NVDA

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Zara,

Not trying to be mean but will you still be thankful when you can't use your computer anymore because of out-of-date programs?

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 7:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank line reading by NVDA

i always appreciate developers of opensource softwares.
i always pray for them even in my five times daily obligatory prayers!
i am grateful to God that created me in the time of technology.
i always pray and request divine infinite mercy and blessings for developers of my favorite softwares, and i always emphasize my appreciation towards them.
for most my favorite programs, including firefox, nvda, and thunderbird, i am satisfied with the versions that i have and select to use those versions forever!

On 10/10/19, Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:
zahra

In the case of his add-on, there is nothing you can do if you are
going to stay in Windows XP with NVDA 2017.2 or 2017.3. He has not
chosen to

make it backward compatible even with NVDA 2019.2, so
2017.3 is a hopeless case unless you write your own.

For some add-ons, it is not that difficult to make them compatible
with old

versions of NVDA. However others use features that are only available
in newer versions of NVDA, or are so difficult to implement in older
versions that nobody wants to bother given how few people use those
old versions.

Sometimes some developers will make an effort to make sure things work
for users who won't, or can't, advance along with the vast majority.
But that is completely optional, and you can never expect that to
happen, just be grateful when it does. In this case, it isn't
happening.

I am sorry if this sounds harsh, but if you choose to stay in the
stone age, do not be surprised if you are more and more isolated
there, with fewer people looking back to see if new things will meet
your needs.
By choosing to stay in the past, you are choosing to miss out. That's
just how it works.

Luke

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019, zahra wrote:

what should i do?
the best version of nvda is 2017.2 that i wish to use it forever!
can you please guide me step by step what should i do in this regard?

On 10/10/19, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:
I am now working on a new add-on called Phonetic Punctuation - I
hope to release a stable version in the next couple of weeks - it
will allow you to accomplish that. It can also replace the word
blank with a configurable auditory icon, or just with silence. The
catch is that this add-on is only going to work with NVDA versions 2019.3 and above.

If you're interested - so far a not very stable version available:

https://github.com/mltony/nvda-phonetic-punctuation

But if you're looking to completely remove the word "blank" from
speech
- you can also do what others have suggested and do it in speech
dictionary.


--Tony



On 10/8/2019 12:35 AM, Afik Souffir wrote:

Hi,

My name is Afik, from Israel, I’m almost 21 years old.

I want to ask, how can I stop NVDA to read or show in braille blank
lines, such in emails, websites, or other platforms?

Thanks

Afik Souffir




--
Luke Davis
Moderator: the new NVDA Help mailing list!
(https://groups.io/g/NVDAHelp)
Author: Debug Helper NVDA add-on
(https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/debugHelper.en.html)




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


locked Re: blank line reading by NVDA

 

i always appreciate developers of opensource softwares.
i always pray for them even in my five times daily obligatory prayers!
i am grateful to God that created me in the time of technology.
i always pray and request divine infinite mercy and blessings for
developers of my favorite softwares, and i always emphasize my
appreciation towards them.
for most my favorite programs, including firefox, nvda, and
thunderbird, i am satisfied with the versions that i have and select
to use those versions forever!

On 10/10/19, Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:
zahra

In the case of his add-on, there is nothing you can do if you are
going to stay in Windows XP with NVDA 2017.2 or 2017.3. He has not chosen to

make it backward compatible even with NVDA 2019.2, so
2017.3 is a hopeless case unless you write your own.

For some add-ons, it is not that difficult to make them compatible with old

versions of NVDA. However others use features that are only available in
newer
versions of NVDA, or are so difficult to implement in older versions that
nobody
wants to bother given how few people use those old versions.

Sometimes some developers will make an effort to make sure things work for
users
who won't, or can't, advance along with the vast majority. But that is
completely optional, and you can never expect that to happen, just be
grateful
when it does. In this case, it isn't happening.

I am sorry if this sounds harsh, but if you choose to stay in the stone age,
do
not be surprised if you are more and more isolated there, with fewer people
looking back to see if new things will meet your needs.
By choosing to stay in the past, you are choosing to miss out. That's just
how
it works.

Luke

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019, zahra wrote:

what should i do?
the best version of nvda is 2017.2 that i wish to use it forever!
can you please guide me step by step what should i do in this regard?

On 10/10/19, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:
I am now working on a new add-on called Phonetic Punctuation - I hope to
release a stable version in the next couple of weeks - it will allow you
to accomplish that. It can also replace the word blank with a
configurable auditory icon, or just with silence. The catch is that this
add-on is only going to work with NVDA versions 2019.3 and above.

If you're interested - so far a not very stable version available:

https://github.com/mltony/nvda-phonetic-punctuation

But if you're looking to completely remove the word "blank" from speech
- you can also do what others have suggested and do it in speech
dictionary.


--Tony



On 10/8/2019 12:35 AM, Afik Souffir wrote:

Hi,

My name is Afik, from Israel, I’m almost 21 years old.

I want to ask, how can I stop NVDA to read or show in braille blank
lines, such in emails, websites, or other platforms?

Thanks

Afik Souffir




--
Luke Davis
Moderator: the new NVDA Help mailing list! (https://groups.io/g/NVDAHelp)
Author: Debug Helper NVDA add-on
(https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/debugHelper.en.html)



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


locked Re: blank line reading by NVDA

 

i use my laptop forever and i am very optimystic about future.
i am sure that cruelty against people won't continue forever.
i believe that my laptop is the best system in the world for me!

On 10/11/19, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
Zara There’s no way around it. If you want to stick with what you have.
Then do so. But one day your old clunker is going to die! I don’t even know
how you do it. You need to get yourself a new computer. Once you get a new
computer. It will be different from xp.There’s all kinds of help if you get
yourself a new computer. Never be afraid to get a new updated computer.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October 9, 2019 10:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank line reading by NVDA

Hi, Zara,

Get a new computer with windows 10 and update to the latest version of NVDA.
One of these days that old clunker of yours will stop working and you’ll
wonder why. I’m not trying to be mean but you can’t keep an old system
that’s out of date now.

Rosemarie



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 8:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank line reading by NVDA

what should i do?
the best version of nvda is 2017.2 that i wish to use it forever!
can you please guide me step by step what should i do in this regard?

On 10/10/19, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:
I am now working on a new add-on called Phonetic Punctuation - I hope to
release a stable version in the next couple of weeks - it will allow you
to accomplish that. It can also replace the word blank with a
configurable auditory icon, or just with silence. The catch is that this
add-on is only going to work with NVDA versions 2019.3 and above.

If you're interested - so far a not very stable version available:

https://github.com/mltony/nvda-phonetic-punctuation

But if you're looking to completely remove the word "blank" from speech
- you can also do what others have suggested and do it in speech
dictionary.


--Tony



On 10/8/2019 12:35 AM, Afik Souffir wrote:

Hi,

My name is Afik, from Israel, I’m almost 21 years old.

I want to ask, how can I stop NVDA to read or show in braille blank
lines, such in emails, websites, or other platforms?

Thanks

Afik Souffir




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali








--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


locked Re: ripping and burning cds using nvda

 

Windows Media Player ships with Windows 10 and can be found via a search.  If you want a shortcut to it on your desktop, then follow the instructions:
Adding Desktop Shortcuts Under Windows 10

There are scads of utilities for burning CDs, and which you may wish to use is not just a function of accessibility, but what type of CD, e.g., music, bootable, etc., you are intending to burn and whether you're doing the CD equivalent of a "mix tape" or trying to duplicate a CD.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


locked Re: ripping and burning cds using nvda

 

Hmmm.

There are several ways to do things.

I used to use nero burning rom v6 fully cracked to do things.

But eventually to be legal I split it up.

cd burner xp has an installer without the open candy spyware in it and I use that for ripping.

Goldwave has a good file batch converter as well as a cd reader via cddb sites and I got that.

Its 40 dollars but its worth the cost for the cd reader and converter alone which is what I use it for.

Cdex has opencandy in it so I havn't tried it but there must be a portable somewhere.

You are supposed to do it all with mediaplayer but I have never bothered trying to doodle with this.

Not sure about a full solution but nero platinum is about 130 dollars us and it should be ok or it may not be.

I havn't used any suite of modules for ages.



On 11/10/2019 1:38 pm, Arlene wrote:

Hi list: Arlene here. How does one rip and burn cds with windows ten? I was trying to rip a cd with my new win ten computer.  I have a external disk drive. How does one find windows Media player? Do you use it with win ten or can you use other players like Winamp or what my computer came with was groove Music. Can I rip or burn with any of these players like goldwave groove music and winamp?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


locked ripping and burning cds using nvda

Arlene
 

Hi list: Arlene here. How does one rip and burn cds with windows ten? I was trying to rip a cd with my new win ten computer.  I have a external disk drive. How does one find windows Media player? Do you use it with win ten or can you use other players like Winamp or what my computer came with was groove Music. Can I rip or burn with any of these players like goldwave groove music and winamp?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


locked Re: blank line reading by NVDA

Arlene
 

Oh, No kidding. I sure hope Microsoft leaves things alone!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: October 10, 2019 4:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank line reading by NVDA

 

Well I will hope microsoft will not have to many more issues like this one.

I don't really have the space to run a system for shell work, and my workstation was brought for multiple goings on.

However, if it continues, I may have to change things.

The stupid thing is all I want to use shell work for is navigating round the folder structure, playing music, sounds, things like that.

To be honest its why I have not yet converted my windows 7 laptop to linux.

I don't have the space right now but in the future, who knows.

 

 

On 11/10/2019 11:59 am, Arlene wrote:

You know Sean, can’t say I really blame you for getting a shell that may run 7 or xp. If you don’t go online with those. There’s things you can do with those shells. I know a friend who uses xp but he doesn’t put it online. He does his audio files with it. Or other things he had done when xp was our thing in the past. He said xp was more stable then other windows shells. He does have a windows ten computer. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: October 9, 2019 11:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank line reading by NVDA

 

To be honest, with the state of the windows 1903 shell as of late, I am seriously thinking about getting something that will be using xp or win7 for offline  shell work, the shell has got a lot better but go deep enough into a folder tree, say 2-5 levels down and things may not read because of a partial crash with explorer.

I don't use shell work to much but when I do it can be really annoying at times.

I really hope with 1909 update that now things are going to all be part of search that we don't get the issue where we get search breaking again with updates like happened before.

I am seriously not interested on restoring/roling back/ restoring/ reformatting to get rid of and to fix a problem that I never made in the first place.

Now I will always use the latest version of windows for online work but I am starting to wander, if maybe I should use if not older windows another shell for my file work if one actually exists.

 

 

On 10/10/2019 5:07 pm, Arlene wrote:

I know you don’t want to hear it! You have to update your computer and NVDA. If you like what you like then stay with it.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: zahra
Sent: October 9, 2019 8:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank line reading by NVDA

 

what should i do?

the best version of nvda is 2017.2 that i wish to use it forever!

can you please guide me step by step what should i do in this regard?

 

On 10/10/19, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:

> I am now working on a new add-on called Phonetic Punctuation - I hope to

> release a stable version in the next couple of weeks - it will allow you

> to accomplish that. It can also replace the word blank with a

> configurable auditory icon, or just with silence. The catch is that this

> add-on is only going to work with NVDA versions 2019.3 and above.

> If you're interested - so far a not very stable version available:

> https://github.com/mltony/nvda-phonetic-punctuation

> But if you're looking to completely remove the word "blank" from speech

> - you can also do what others have suggested and do it in speech

> dictionary.

> --Tony

> On 10/8/2019 12:35 AM, Afik Souffir wrote:

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> My name is Afik, from Israel, I’m almost 21 years old.

>> 

>> I want to ask, how can I stop NVDA to read or show in braille blank

>> lines, such in emails, websites, or other platforms?

>> 

>> Thanks

>> 

>> Afik Souffir

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 

 

 


locked Re: blank line reading by NVDA

 

Well my brother still uses an old clunker here when he is at home and its almost dead.

Saying that work has given him a monster workstation for his work stuff, and everything else he stores and handles on google so he does most of his serious work off his android phone and his tablet.



On 11/10/2019 12:12 pm, Arlene wrote:

Zara There’s no way around it. If you want to stick with what you have. Then do so. But one day your old clunker is going to die! I don’t even know how you do it. You need to get yourself a new computer. Once you get a new computer. It will be different from xp.There’s all kinds of help if you get yourself a new computer.  Never be afraid to get a new updated computer.   

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October 9, 2019 10:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank line reading by NVDA

 

Hi, Zara,

 

Get a new computer with windows 10 and update to the latest version of NVDA. One of these days that old clunker of yours will stop working and you’ll wonder why. I’m not trying to be mean but you can’t keep an old system that’s out of date now.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 8:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank line reading by NVDA

 

what should i do?

the best version of nvda is 2017.2 that i wish to use it forever!

can you please guide me step by step what should i do in this regard?

 

On 10/10/19, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:

> I am now working on a new add-on called Phonetic Punctuation - I hope to

> release a stable version in the next couple of weeks - it will allow you

> to accomplish that. It can also replace the word blank with a

> configurable auditory icon, or just with silence. The catch is that this

> add-on is only going to work with NVDA versions 2019.3 and above.

> If you're interested - so far a not very stable version available:

> https://github.com/mltony/nvda-phonetic-punctuation

> But if you're looking to completely remove the word "blank" from speech

> - you can also do what others have suggested and do it in speech

> dictionary.

> --Tony

> On 10/8/2019 12:35 AM, Afik Souffir wrote:

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> My name is Afik, from Israel, I’m almost 21 years old.

>> 

>> I want to ask, how can I stop NVDA to read or show in braille blank

>> lines, such in emails, websites, or other platforms?

>> 

>> Thanks

>> 

>> Afik Souffir

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 

 


locked Re: blank line reading by NVDA

 

Well I will hope microsoft will not have to many more issues like this one.

I don't really have the space to run a system for shell work, and my workstation was brought for multiple goings on.

However, if it continues, I may have to change things.

The stupid thing is all I want to use shell work for is navigating round the folder structure, playing music, sounds, things like that.

To be honest its why I have not yet converted my windows 7 laptop to linux.

I don't have the space right now but in the future, who knows.



On 11/10/2019 11:59 am, Arlene wrote:

You know Sean, can’t say I really blame you for getting a shell that may run 7 or xp. If you don’t go online with those. There’s things you can do with those shells. I know a friend who uses xp but he doesn’t put it online. He does his audio files with it. Or other things he had done when xp was our thing in the past. He said xp was more stable then other windows shells. He does have a windows ten computer. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: October 9, 2019 11:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank line reading by NVDA

 

To be honest, with the state of the windows 1903 shell as of late, I am seriously thinking about getting something that will be using xp or win7 for offline  shell work, the shell has got a lot better but go deep enough into a folder tree, say 2-5 levels down and things may not read because of a partial crash with explorer.

I don't use shell work to much but when I do it can be really annoying at times.

I really hope with 1909 update that now things are going to all be part of search that we don't get the issue where we get search breaking again with updates like happened before.

I am seriously not interested on restoring/roling back/ restoring/ reformatting to get rid of and to fix a problem that I never made in the first place.

Now I will always use the latest version of windows for online work but I am starting to wander, if maybe I should use if not older windows another shell for my file work if one actually exists.

 

 

On 10/10/2019 5:07 pm, Arlene wrote:

I know you don’t want to hear it! You have to update your computer and NVDA. If you like what you like then stay with it.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: zahra
Sent: October 9, 2019 8:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank line reading by NVDA

 

what should i do?

the best version of nvda is 2017.2 that i wish to use it forever!

can you please guide me step by step what should i do in this regard?

 

On 10/10/19, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:

> I am now working on a new add-on called Phonetic Punctuation - I hope to

> release a stable version in the next couple of weeks - it will allow you

> to accomplish that. It can also replace the word blank with a

> configurable auditory icon, or just with silence. The catch is that this

> add-on is only going to work with NVDA versions 2019.3 and above.

> If you're interested - so far a not very stable version available:

> https://github.com/mltony/nvda-phonetic-punctuation

> But if you're looking to completely remove the word "blank" from speech

> - you can also do what others have suggested and do it in speech

> dictionary.

> --Tony

> On 10/8/2019 12:35 AM, Afik Souffir wrote:

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> My name is Afik, from Israel, I’m almost 21 years old.

>> 

>> I want to ask, how can I stop NVDA to read or show in braille blank

>> lines, such in emails, websites, or other platforms?

>> 

>> Thanks

>> 

>> Afik Souffir

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 

 


locked Re: blank line reading by NVDA

Arlene
 

Zara There’s no way around it. If you want to stick with what you have. Then do so. But one day your old clunker is going to die! I don’t even know how you do it. You need to get yourself a new computer. Once you get a new computer. It will be different from xp.There’s all kinds of help if you get yourself a new computer.  Never be afraid to get a new updated computer.   

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October 9, 2019 10:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank line reading by NVDA

 

Hi, Zara,

 

Get a new computer with windows 10 and update to the latest version of NVDA. One of these days that old clunker of yours will stop working and you’ll wonder why. I’m not trying to be mean but you can’t keep an old system that’s out of date now.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 8:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank line reading by NVDA

 

what should i do?

the best version of nvda is 2017.2 that i wish to use it forever!

can you please guide me step by step what should i do in this regard?

 

On 10/10/19, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:

> I am now working on a new add-on called Phonetic Punctuation - I hope to

> release a stable version in the next couple of weeks - it will allow you

> to accomplish that. It can also replace the word blank with a

> configurable auditory icon, or just with silence. The catch is that this

> add-on is only going to work with NVDA versions 2019.3 and above.

> If you're interested - so far a not very stable version available:

> https://github.com/mltony/nvda-phonetic-punctuation

> But if you're looking to completely remove the word "blank" from speech

> - you can also do what others have suggested and do it in speech

> dictionary.

> --Tony

> On 10/8/2019 12:35 AM, Afik Souffir wrote:

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> My name is Afik, from Israel, I’m almost 21 years old.

>> 

>> I want to ask, how can I stop NVDA to read or show in braille blank

>> lines, such in emails, websites, or other platforms?

>> 

>> Thanks

>> 

>> Afik Souffir

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 

 


locked Re: blank line reading by NVDA

Arlene
 

You know Sean, can’t say I really blame you for getting a shell that may run 7 or xp. If you don’t go online with those. There’s things you can do with those shells. I know a friend who uses xp but he doesn’t put it online. He does his audio files with it. Or other things he had done when xp was our thing in the past. He said xp was more stable then other windows shells. He does have a windows ten computer. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: October 9, 2019 11:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank line reading by NVDA

 

To be honest, with the state of the windows 1903 shell as of late, I am seriously thinking about getting something that will be using xp or win7 for offline  shell work, the shell has got a lot better but go deep enough into a folder tree, say 2-5 levels down and things may not read because of a partial crash with explorer.

I don't use shell work to much but when I do it can be really annoying at times.

I really hope with 1909 update that now things are going to all be part of search that we don't get the issue where we get search breaking again with updates like happened before.

I am seriously not interested on restoring/roling back/ restoring/ reformatting to get rid of and to fix a problem that I never made in the first place.

Now I will always use the latest version of windows for online work but I am starting to wander, if maybe I should use if not older windows another shell for my file work if one actually exists.

 

 

On 10/10/2019 5:07 pm, Arlene wrote:

I know you don’t want to hear it! You have to update your computer and NVDA. If you like what you like then stay with it.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: zahra
Sent: October 9, 2019 8:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank line reading by NVDA

 

what should i do?

the best version of nvda is 2017.2 that i wish to use it forever!

can you please guide me step by step what should i do in this regard?

 

On 10/10/19, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:

> I am now working on a new add-on called Phonetic Punctuation - I hope to

> release a stable version in the next couple of weeks - it will allow you

> to accomplish that. It can also replace the word blank with a

> configurable auditory icon, or just with silence. The catch is that this

> add-on is only going to work with NVDA versions 2019.3 and above.

> If you're interested - so far a not very stable version available:

> https://github.com/mltony/nvda-phonetic-punctuation

> But if you're looking to completely remove the word "blank" from speech

> - you can also do what others have suggested and do it in speech

> dictionary.

> --Tony

> On 10/8/2019 12:35 AM, Afik Souffir wrote:

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> My name is Afik, from Israel, I’m almost 21 years old.

>> 

>> I want to ask, how can I stop NVDA to read or show in braille blank

>> lines, such in emails, websites, or other platforms?

>> 

>> Thanks

>> 

>> Afik Souffir

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 

 


Re: Clipspeak addon compatibility status

Luke Davis
 

On 2019/10/7 5:43, Gene wrote:

I saw Joseph's message about needing to obtain permission before making the add-on compatible.  This raises the question of providing, in some sort of
agreement regarding add-ons, that under specified conditions an add-on will be considered to be in the public domain.  An add-on that is abandoned but
not in the public domain is in danger of not being updated and becoming useless or significantly degraded as NVDA or the program it works with
changes. 
There is a provision of that sort. It is not so much an agreement with add-on developers, as since this is open source and very community oriented, there are no "agreements".
However there is a provision of the add-on review process, that does effectively what you suggest, by telling developers what will happen if they disappear after contributing their add-on to the review process for inclusion on the nvda-project.org website:

8. If add-on authors can't continue a required work, they can be replaced by another maintainer three months after the first request.

That is from https://addons.nvda-project.org/processes.en.html

Of course, the rights of those who provide add-ons for profit should be protected but it is, in my opinion, a serious violation of the spirit of NVDA
that an add-on can be abandoned by its developer, and still not be able to be modified to keep it current.
Well, see the above. It is not the same as making them public domain--add-ons are copywritten under some version of the GPL (2, usually), so public domain is not an option--but they can be made a form of community property, or transferred to some other maintainer(s).

What that usually means in practice, is that if people try to contact a maintainer for three months or more with no success, the add-on can be forked and a new version created, incorporating the earlier work.
Since the software is open source, it is possible that if a developer can be contacted but refuses to update his add-on, the same thing could be done. However I have not heard of a test case of that situation without the author agreeing to have the add-on taken over.

Luke


Re: Suggestion for creating a portable copy

Luke Davis
 

Giles, Robert, and others interested (Brian, for example):

This concern has been around for a while.
Please give some feedback on this Github issue:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3113

I and others have posted viable suggestions there, but no consensus has ever been reached on what should be done.

Luke

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019, Giles Turnbull wrote:

Hello, mainly for the attention of NVDA developers, but may be of interest to others :)
Usually when I want to install NVDA on a new machine (for my use) I create a portable copy with my current user configuration and install NVDA on my new
machine from that. This is not a task I have to do often ... in fact I've done it twice, once last year when I installed it on a laptop I got for my
university work and I'm just doing it again for the replacement laptop I got after the university machine broke (I dropped it and it wasn't repairable but
thankfuly I had insurance that covered the cost of replacing it).
In creating both portable copies I've made the mistake of assuming, when choosing the directory path for the portable copy, that it would create a folder
for the files ... it doesn't so I have ended up with over 100 separate files loose in the directory path plus half a dozen folders.
My suggestion would be to create a folder in the directory path for something like NVDA_Portable, or to add a note before the Browse for Path button that
reminds whoever is creating the portable copy that the files and folders will be created in that directory so if you want them in their own folder, then
such a folder should be created first and then selected as the destination path.
Whenever a new program is installed it usualy gets put into its own folder inside Program Files (x86). That is where NVDA goes when installed. I always
assume a program is going to be put into its own folder whatever the directory path.
I can understand the rationale that if it's a portable copy being installed on a thumb drive you need to be able to run it before NVDA is active, but I'd
have thought that if you've found a means of navigating to the thumb drive using Narrator, for example, then navigating into an NVDA_Portable folder to find
NVDA.exe should be do-able.


locked Re: blank line reading by NVDA

Luke Davis
 

zahra

In the case of his add-on, there is nothing you can do if you are going to stay in Windows XP with NVDA 2017.2 or 2017.3. He has not chosen to make it backward compatible even with NVDA 2019.2, so 2017.3 is a hopeless case unless you write your own.

For some add-ons, it is not that difficult to make them compatible with old versions of NVDA. However others use features that are only available in newer versions of NVDA, or are so difficult to implement in older versions that nobody wants to bother given how few people use those old versions.

Sometimes some developers will make an effort to make sure things work for users who won't, or can't, advance along with the vast majority. But that is completely optional, and you can never expect that to happen, just be grateful when it does. In this case, it isn't happening.

I am sorry if this sounds harsh, but if you choose to stay in the stone age, do not be surprised if you are more and more isolated there, with fewer people looking back to see if new things will meet your needs.
By choosing to stay in the past, you are choosing to miss out. That's just how it works.

Luke

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019, zahra wrote:

what should i do?
the best version of nvda is 2017.2 that i wish to use it forever!
can you please guide me step by step what should i do in this regard?

On 10/10/19, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:
I am now working on a new add-on called Phonetic Punctuation - I hope to
release a stable version in the next couple of weeks - it will allow you
to accomplish that. It can also replace the word blank with a
configurable auditory icon, or just with silence. The catch is that this
add-on is only going to work with NVDA versions 2019.3 and above.

If you're interested - so far a not very stable version available:

https://github.com/mltony/nvda-phonetic-punctuation

But if you're looking to completely remove the word "blank" from speech
- you can also do what others have suggested and do it in speech
dictionary.


--Tony



On 10/8/2019 12:35 AM, Afik Souffir wrote:

Hi,

My name is Afik, from Israel, I’m almost 21 years old.

I want to ask, how can I stop NVDA to read or show in braille blank
lines, such in emails, websites, or other platforms?

Thanks

Afik Souffir




--
Luke Davis
Moderator: the new NVDA Help mailing list! (https://groups.io/g/NVDAHelp)
Author: Debug Helper NVDA add-on (https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/debugHelper.en.html)


Re: links on web pages

Damien Garwood
 

Hi Don,
Very interesting. Is this the same on every site?
Have you tried using both tab and the arrow keys to get to it? Have you tried both space and enter to activate it? I've noticed some sites can be quite picky about how links are activated and so on.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 10/10/2019 07:30 pm, Don H wrote:
I have screen layout moded disabled.
On 10/10/2019 1:17 PM, Damien Garwood wrote:
Hi Don,
Sometimes I have that problem if I use screen layout mode and there are multiple links on the same line. I assume because NVDA doesn't know what link you want to activate unless you come out of browse mode and find the link by tabbing or whatever.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 10/10/2019 06:45 pm, Don H wrote:
OK so I think I have messed some setting up.
Running Win 10 1903
3 NVDA 2019.2.1 and latest Google chrome and Firefox.
For some reason when trying to open a link by hitting the enter key I get nothing.  To make the link open I must first hit the insert key pluse spacebar then hit enter.  Not what I am used to have happen. What have I messed up to cause this issue?
Thanks






Re: links on web pages

Don H
 

I have screen layout moded disabled.

On 10/10/2019 1:17 PM, Damien Garwood wrote:
Hi Don,
Sometimes I have that problem if I use screen layout mode and there are multiple links on the same line. I assume because NVDA doesn't know what link you want to activate unless you come out of browse mode and find the link by tabbing or whatever.
Cheers,
Damien.
On 10/10/2019 06:45 pm, Don H wrote:
OK so I think I have messed some setting up.
Running Win 10 1903
3 NVDA 2019.2.1 and latest Google chrome and Firefox.
For some reason when trying to open a link by hitting the enter key I get nothing.  To make the link open I must first hit the insert key pluse spacebar then hit enter.  Not what I am used to have happen. What have I messed up to cause this issue?
Thanks




Re: links on web pages

Luke Davis
 

I have run into that sometimes when there is some kind of odd (non-speaking) spacing or other character before the link.

If you use your arrow keys to move into the link text, does the enter key work then?

(Thanks Damien for making me think of that.)

Luke

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019, Don H wrote:

OK so I think I have messed some setting up.
Running Win 10 1903
3 NVDA 2019.2.1 and latest Google chrome and Firefox.
For some reason when trying to open a link by hitting the enter key I get nothing. To make the link open I must first hit the insert key pluse spacebar then hit enter. Not what I am used to have happen. What have I messed up to cause this issue?