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Re: NVDA and ccleaner

 

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 07:32 PM, Gene wrote:
In general, its better not to run a registry cleaner unless you have a problem that there is reason to believe is a registry problem.  and, according to an article I will reproduce below, most problems aren't registry probems. 
One should never, ever run registry cleaners.  They are snake oil at best, and cause disasters at worst.

"From the Horse's Mouth:"  Microsoft support policy for the use of registry cleaning utilities 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


NVDA adding and changing settings

Grant Metcalf
 

When saving a document NVDA does not say "Document saved." How does one add this save command to NVDA to be read when a document is saved? I prefer not to have to scroll around the screen to find this information. Also, if there are other Windows commands that can be added I would appreciate knowing how to add them as well.
Gratefully yours.
Listening for His shout!
Grant Metcalf - A.K.A. Grandpa DOS
Email: the.gems@...
Home: (650) 589-6890
Cell: (650) 278-3084
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Re: Accessible twitter clients?

Ibrahim Abedrabbo
 

Thanks Gerardo,

I have not tried that.  Thanks for the suggestion.

 

Regards,

 

Ibrahim

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 9:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible twitter clients?

 

I had the same problem arise when I first installed TwBlue here on my Windows10 Laptop. The first time you open and set up TwBlue, open it as an Administrator. Hope this helps.

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Sam Bushman
Enviado: miércoles, 6 de noviembre de 2019 07:41 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] Accessible twitter clients?

 

You need to approve twitter app access on the twitter web site and then you can connect. Maybe you were missing that part?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ibrahim Abedrabbo
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 5:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible twitter clients?

 

I tried to help a friend install TW Blue today and we got stuck at the screen where we have to enter the twitter code. We clicked enter on ok after we typed the code but nothing happened, We tried control enter and we tried the space bar, but to no avail. Does anyone know what the problem could be?  We went through the process several times but we got stuck in the same place.

 

Regards,

 

Ibrahim

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 6:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible twitter clients?

 

I know there is tween and open tween but I still use TwBlue.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.

to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 6 Nov 2019, at 15:06, John Isige wrote:

Hi all. I was wondering if there were other accessible twitter clients than TWBlue, which is what I've been using ever since Chicken Nugget lost a bunch of functionality a while back when twitter made changes. Today it simply refuses to run and I'm sick of screwing around with it to try and get it working. So any alternatives?

 


Re: Accessible twitter clients?

Gerardo Corripio
 

I had the same problem arise when I first installed TwBlue here on my Windows10 Laptop. The first time you open and set up TwBlue, open it as an Administrator. Hope this helps.

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Sam Bushman
Enviado: miércoles, 6 de noviembre de 2019 07:41 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] Accessible twitter clients?

 

You need to approve twitter app access on the twitter web site and then you can connect. Maybe you were missing that part?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ibrahim Abedrabbo
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 5:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible twitter clients?

 

I tried to help a friend install TW Blue today and we got stuck at the screen where we have to enter the twitter code. We clicked enter on ok after we typed the code but nothing happened, We tried control enter and we tried the space bar, but to no avail. Does anyone know what the problem could be?  We went through the process several times but we got stuck in the same place.

 

Regards,

 

Ibrahim

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 6:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible twitter clients?

 

I know there is tween and open tween but I still use TwBlue.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.

to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 6 Nov 2019, at 15:06, John Isige wrote:

Hi all. I was wondering if there were other accessible twitter clients than TWBlue, which is what I've been using ever since Chicken Nugget lost a bunch of functionality a while back when twitter made changes. Today it simply refuses to run and I'm sick of screwing around with it to try and get it working. So any alternatives?

 


Re: Accessible twitter clients?

Ibrahim Abedrabbo
 

Thanks Sam, I think She did that. I was helping her over the Phone. I will try again tomorrow.


On Nov 6, 2019, at 8:41 PM, Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:



You need to approve twitter app access on the twitter web site and then you can connect. Maybe you were missing that part?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ibrahim Abedrabbo
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 5:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible twitter clients?

 

I tried to help a friend install TW Blue today and we got stuck at the screen where we have to enter the twitter code. We clicked enter on ok after we typed the code but nothing happened, We tried control enter and we tried the space bar, but to no avail. Does anyone know what the problem could be?  We went through the process several times but we got stuck in the same place.

 

Regards,

 

Ibrahim

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 6:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible twitter clients?

 

I know there is tween and open tween but I still use TwBlue.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.

to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 6 Nov 2019, at 15:06, John Isige wrote:

Hi all. I was wondering if there were other accessible twitter clients than TWBlue, which is what I've been using ever since Chicken Nugget lost a bunch of functionality a while back when twitter made changes. Today it simply refuses to run and I'm sick of screwing around with it to try and get it working. So any alternatives?


Re: Accessible twitter clients?

Sam Bushman
 

You need to approve twitter app access on the twitter web site and then you can connect. Maybe you were missing that part?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ibrahim Abedrabbo
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 5:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible twitter clients?

 

I tried to help a friend install TW Blue today and we got stuck at the screen where we have to enter the twitter code. We clicked enter on ok after we typed the code but nothing happened, We tried control enter and we tried the space bar, but to no avail. Does anyone know what the problem could be?  We went through the process several times but we got stuck in the same place.

 

Regards,

 

Ibrahim

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 6:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible twitter clients?

 

I know there is tween and open tween but I still use TwBlue.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.

to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 6 Nov 2019, at 15:06, John Isige wrote:

Hi all. I was wondering if there were other accessible twitter clients than TWBlue, which is what I've been using ever since Chicken Nugget lost a bunch of functionality a while back when twitter made changes. Today it simply refuses to run and I'm sick of screwing around with it to try and get it working. So any alternatives?


Re: NVDA and ccleaner

Gene
 

In general, its better not to run a registry cleaner unless you have a problem that there is reason to believe is a registry problem.  and, according to an article I will reproduce below, most problems aren't registry probems. 
 
In the old days, when computers were much slower and Windows may not have worked with the registry as efficiently, it may be that using a registry cleaner may have increased performance.  I don't know if that is true but it hasn't been true for a long time.  I'm talking about the dark ages, when computers ran at something like 166mhz.  Now, computers run in the ghz range, 100 or more times faster. 
Here is an article supporting my view.  It is a contraversial question, but I have never heard a convincing argument to the contrary and I don't believe in taking even small risks for no benefit. 
 

Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 5:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and ccleaner

downloaded and install the latest free version of ccleaner.  I selected
the registry option and did a scan.  It found several items but I can
not get NVDA to read the list of what it found.
Running Win 10 1903 and NVDA 2019.2.1
Thanks




Re: Accessible twitter clients?

Ibrahim Abedrabbo
 

I tried to help a friend install TW Blue today and we got stuck at the screen where we have to enter the twitter code. We clicked enter on ok after we typed the code but nothing happened, We tried control enter and we tried the space bar, but to no avail. Does anyone know what the problem could be?  We went through the process several times but we got stuck in the same place.

 

Regards,

 

Ibrahim

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 6:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible twitter clients?

 

I know there is tween and open tween but I still use TwBlue.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.

to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 6 Nov 2019, at 15:06, John Isige wrote:

Hi all. I was wondering if there were other accessible twitter clients than TWBlue, which is what I've been using ever since Chicken Nugget lost a bunch of functionality a while back when twitter made changes. Today it simply refuses to run and I'm sick of screwing around with it to try and get it working. So any alternatives?


Re: Links on websites with submenus and/or links that NVDA can't interact with

Gene
 

I just looked at the site with JAVA script on.  I followed one of the links and it opened another page as a standard link does.  I see that the site has a login place, and you didn't say if you did so.  I didn't look enough to see if features are available if you log in that aren't otherwise, but the entire home page appears accessible to me.  In addition, between each of the navigation links is a link that says skip navigation links.  You really only need one but since someone put a skip link after every navigation link, that strongly implies to me that the site was designed to be accessible, even if this or that accomodation may be overdoing it. 
 
I'm not sure what accounts for your problems or if, given more information, we can see them.  But just going to the site and looking around doesn't show me any.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
    Hi all,
   
    I just visited the following website:
   
    http://canadianxpress.ca/
   
    I notice that when going there, there is a number sign at the end of
    the address. There are multiple websites I've found like this, and
    each time I've encountered issues.
    On this particular site I believe the main links open up drop downs
    with additional links underneath the main one. Is there a way, whether
    via addons or other, to make this and other sites like this usable,
    short of contacting the webmaster who may or may not change the links
    to make them clickable? Jaws simply announces the links as mouse
    overs, but has the same result as NVDA. I've come across sites where
    to hover over content, you can simply activate object navigation and
    route the mouse cursor to the link in question and more information
    will be present. Not with this one, however...
   
    Any help would be appreciated. Tried switching browsers as well.
   
   
   
   





NVDA and ccleaner

Don H
 

downloaded and install the latest free version of ccleaner. I selected the registry option and did a scan. It found several items but I can not get NVDA to read the list of what it found.
Running Win 10 1903 and NVDA 2019.2.1
Thanks


Re: Accessible twitter clients?

Sarah k Alawami
 

I know there is tween and open tween but I still use TwBlue.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.

to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 6 Nov 2019, at 15:06, John Isige wrote:

Hi all. I was wondering if there were other accessible twitter clients than TWBlue, which is what I've been using ever since Chicken Nugget lost a bunch of functionality a while back when twitter made changes. Today it simply refuses to run and I'm sick of screwing around with it to try and get it working. So any alternatives?


Accessible twitter clients?

John Isige
 

Hi all. I was wondering if there were other accessible twitter clients than TWBlue, which is what I've been using ever since Chicken Nugget lost a bunch of functionality a while back when twitter made changes. Today it simply refuses to run and I'm sick of screwing around with it to try and get it working. So any alternatives?


Re: Links on websites with submenus and/or links that NVDA can't interact with

Jonathan COHN
 

So, if this is a website with MouseOver actions that do not have equivalent keyboard interaction, then you probably will not have much luck. Gene's use of turning off JavaScript is interesting, sometimes sites are better at working without JavaScript than they are with general universal design. You will often find Developers that will create lists of all the links, and then hide those links with JavaScript, only to make them visible again on certain actions.
Best Wishes,
Jonathan

On 11/6/19, 3:57 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Joshua Tubbs via Groups.Io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of orin8722=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

External email alert: Be wary of links & attachments.


Hi all,

I just visited the following website:

http://canadianxpress.ca/

I notice that when going there, there is a number sign at the end of
the address. There are multiple websites I've found like this, and
each time I've encountered issues.
On this particular site I believe the main links open up drop downs
with additional links underneath the main one. Is there a way, whether
via addons or other, to make this and other sites like this usable,
short of contacting the webmaster who may or may not change the links
to make them clickable? Jaws simply announces the links as mouse
overs, but has the same result as NVDA. I've come across sites where
to hover over content, you can simply activate object navigation and
route the mouse cursor to the link in question and more information
will be present. Not with this one, however...

Any help would be appreciated. Tried switching browsers as well.


Re: Using Surface Pro with touchscreen only?

Quentin Christensen
 

I think the main issue might be that not as many touch gestures are pre-setup, however you can setup any gestures you like using NVDA's Input Gestures feature, particularly as the newer hardware running the latest Windows 10 might be able to distinguish different gestures.

I think if you can input a gesture that Narrator recognises, NVDA should be able to recognise it also - it might just be that we haven't set anything to activate to that gesture by default.

That is probably the main thing I would say - even if we defined more gestures by default, it would still be hard to try to come close to the number of commands you can give NVDA via the keyboard - certainly not as logically.  But that will be the same for any screen reader on any platform.

On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 8:57 AM Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi,   well,   for me I had the same problems You face I just don't think
Nvda is up to the job using the touch screen. nothing near  as good as
Narrator.

On 06/11/2019 10:20, Denis Sariyannis wrote:
> Hi all,
> I just got my new Surface Pro 7 which runs Windows 10 with NVDA as my
> primary screenreader.
> Of course I use the device as a notebook and it works very well. NVDA is
> extremely responsive, too.
> Now I wonder if it would make sense to learn about its touchscreen and
> to run it also in tablet mode. From what I've seen so far it seems to be
> quite complicated for example to navigate through a list of files in
> Windows Explorer or to work with menus.
> Furthermore NVDA regularly doesn't recognize gestures correctly.
> Flicking left and right with two fingers often gets interpreted as a
> single finger flick etc. The iPad seems to be much more precise when
> doing that.
> Does it make sense to keep trying and maybe even turning on Narrator
> instead when using it without a keyboard or is it not really usable
> productively?
> Maybe you could give me some hints and tell about your experiences?
> Thank you!
>
> Regards
> Denis
>
>
> --
> Denis Sariyannis
> Mail: denis.sariyannis@... <mailto:denis.sariyannis@...>
> Phone: +49 6227 6982766
> Mobile: +49 176 66830900
>





--
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Training and Support Manager


Re: Using Surface Pro with touchscreen only?

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, well, for me I had the same problems You face I just don't think Nvda is up to the job using the touch screen. nothing near as good as Narrator.

On 06/11/2019 10:20, Denis Sariyannis wrote:
Hi all,
I just got my new Surface Pro 7 which runs Windows 10 with NVDA as my primary screenreader.
Of course I use the device as a notebook and it works very well. NVDA is extremely responsive, too.
Now I wonder if it would make sense to learn about its touchscreen and to run it also in tablet mode. From what I've seen so far it seems to be quite complicated for example to navigate through a list of files in Windows Explorer or to work with menus.
Furthermore NVDA regularly doesn't recognize gestures correctly. Flicking left and right with two fingers often gets interpreted as a single finger flick etc. The iPad seems to be much more precise when doing that.
Does it make sense to keep trying and maybe even turning on Narrator instead when using it without a keyboard or is it not really usable productively?
Maybe you could give me some hints and tell about your experiences?
Thank you!
Regards
Denis
--
Denis Sariyannis
Mail: denis.sariyannis@... <mailto:denis.sariyannis@...>
Phone: +49 6227 6982766
Mobile: +49 176 66830900


Re: Links on websites with submenus and/or links that NVDA can't interact with

Sascha Cowley
 

This is a problem I've encountered before, and I just checked to make sure my usual solution works, which it does. If you focus the link you want and "move mouse to navigator object" and then move the mouse a tiny bit the submenus are shown.

On 7/11/2019 07:57, Joshua Tubbs wrote:
Hi all,

I just visited the following website:

http://canadianxpress.ca/

I notice that when going there, there is a number sign at the end of
the address. There are multiple websites I've found like this, and
each time I've encountered issues.
On this particular site I believe the main links open up drop downs
with additional links underneath the main one. Is there a way, whether
via addons or other, to make this and other sites like this usable,
short of contacting the webmaster who may or may not change the links
to make them clickable? Jaws simply announces the links as mouse
overs, but has the same result as NVDA. I've come across sites where
to hover over content, you can simply activate object navigation and
route the mouse cursor to the link in question and more information
will be present. Not with this one, however...

Any help would be appreciated. Tried switching browsers as well.


Re: Ms Word behaving strangely around pages

Quentin Christensen
 

On a document opened in protected mode (that you've downloaded from the web or email) you can also press F6 to get to the "enable editing" toolbar, tab to the enable editing button and press enter.  Of course, rather than automatically doing that to any document, do first ensure that you KNOW what the document is and where it came from and that you trust it and want to open it.  As annoying as Word's protected mode is, the reason it does it is to protect you from malware from infected files.

On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 2:07 AM Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:

Hi Vincent,

yes, it is definitely an MS Word behaviour  rather than an NVDA one.

I find that when a document opens in read-only mode, going into the file menu (ALT+f) and pressing the down arrow to get to the info item and then navigating to and activating the button that allows editing, that action does persist for future re-openings of the same document, assuming you have saved it from the email or download link where it was first opened from.

Documents you have created yourself should not open in read-only mode.

Giles



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Links on websites with submenus and/or links that NVDA can't interact with

Gene
 

We’ll see what other people say.  I checked with Chrome and I have JAVA script off.  There was no number sign and the home page could be read as a typical web page. 
 
What browser are you using? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 2:57 PM
Subject: [nvda] Links on websites with submenus and/or links that NVDA can't interact with
 
Hi all,

I just visited the following website:

http://canadianxpress.ca/

I notice that when going there, there is a number sign at the end of
the address. There are multiple websites I've found like this, and
each time I've encountered issues.
On this particular site I believe the main links open up drop downs
with additional links underneath the main one. Is there a way, whether
via addons or other, to make this and other sites like this usable,
short of contacting the webmaster who may or may not change the links
to make them clickable? Jaws simply announces the links as mouse
overs, but has the same result as NVDA. I've come across sites where
to hover over content, you can simply activate object navigation and
route the mouse cursor to the link in question and more information
will be present. Not with this one, however...

Any help would be appreciated. Tried switching browsers as well.



Links on websites with submenus and/or links that NVDA can't interact with

Joshua Tubbs
 

Hi all,

I just visited the following website:

http://canadianxpress.ca/

I notice that when going there, there is a number sign at the end of
the address. There are multiple websites I've found like this, and
each time I've encountered issues.
On this particular site I believe the main links open up drop downs
with additional links underneath the main one. Is there a way, whether
via addons or other, to make this and other sites like this usable,
short of contacting the webmaster who may or may not change the links
to make them clickable? Jaws simply announces the links as mouse
overs, but has the same result as NVDA. I've come across sites where
to hover over content, you can simply activate object navigation and
route the mouse cursor to the link in question and more information
will be present. Not with this one, however...

Any help would be appreciated. Tried switching browsers as well.


Re: NVDACon keynote

Michael Munn
 

I have read the keynote and everything is will planed. 
Thanks 
Best Regards 
Michael Munn  

JAWS Certified, 2019

Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Virginia 

www.nfbv.org

Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Maryland 

www.nfbmd.org 

Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind 

www.hadley.edu

Students of Hadley Institute of the Blind 



On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 10:37 PM Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
It might be that you haven't given your browser access to your location - which is fair enough although that might be how the site narrows down your time zone.  To be honest, I'm not sure, I'll check with Derek.

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 2:27 PM Sile via Groups.Io <somodhrain=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi, reading this on an iPhone the date and time field just says invalid time. Is there something I need to do?

Sile


On Nov 5, 2019, at 5:08 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

NVDACon is rapidly approaching, and the organising committee have released the schedule:  https://www.nvdacon.org/2019-program-and-schedule 

There are a heap of great presentations to look forward to, just one of which is the Keynote presentation by NV Access.   Like the opening and closing forums, the keynote will be run twice, to ensure those in different time zones around the world have the chance to participate.  NV Access staff will be available after each of the keynote presentations for any questions, comments or discussion and we look forward to this chance to connect with users.

As in other years, this event has been completely organised by users.  NV Access is humbled and delighted to have such a supportive community and we look forward to joining with you for NVDACon 2019!

Please see the session times (once again, Derek has performed his magic so you will see the sessions listed in your local time): https://www.nvdacon.org/2019-program-and-schedule 

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager