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Re: setting Firefox as default browser using NVDA

 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 11:02 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
And the first thing MS does on a windows update, is turn it [Fast Startup] back on. Be warned.
People should check, because what you report does happen to a subset of Windows 10 users, and for reasons I have never been able to determine.

Not a single one of my 5 machines here at home has ever had my choice of Fast Startup off revert to on after a feature update.  It's stayed off once set that way.

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Re: NVDA pronouncing cups as Cuban Pesos

Mary Otten
 

Brian,
I am out of town on vacation, so no. Also, somehow I must have deleted your specific message. I’ve seen tons of things referring to your message about the dictionary, but I did not see Ewers message. If you wouldn’t mind sending it to me privately, I will give it a shot when I get home this weekend.

Mary



On Aug 22, 2019, at 5:54 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Mary,

           Have you tried the default dictionary addition I've documented earlier?   I have yet to see it fail, regardless of synth, and I'd be really curious to know if it does fail with any specific synth.

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Re: setting Firefox as default browser using NVDA

Luke Davis
 

On Thu, 22 Aug 2019, Brian Vogel wrote:

Yep.   The most inane and counterintuitive change Microsoft introduced.   I have nothing against the Fast Startup, per se, but I do have a huge problem with
how people can and do believe that doing a shutdown does exactly what it says.   If they wanted a separate form of Hibernation, which is what Fast Startup
does (it only saves the OS system state out to disk, full hibernation does that along with the user state(s) for all user(s) active at the time), they
should have called it something like Slumber.The first thing I do when configuring a new Windows 10 system is to turn Fast Startup off.  When, not if, but
Quite agreed. And the first thing MS does on a windows update, is turn it back on. Be warned.

On systems with SSDs the decrease in boot times when it's off are imperceptible.  On
regular HDD it's not that much longer to boot from scratch, and well worth it in my opinion.
On my HDD equipped laptop, turning it off approximately doubles boot time, to about two minutes.
Well, actually, about 50 seconds of that is between logon and desktop stability, which is usually shorter with this option turned on, although I'm not exactly sure why, since it shouldn't have any effect at that point in the process.

Luke


Re: Repeating Alt Text of the current object

Luke Davis
 

On Thu, 22 Aug 2019, Gabbert, Darren wrote:

When I’m in Microsoft Word and in browse mode I can press g or Shift g to move from image to image. Is there a way to repeat the alt text of the image with
focus? I don’t want to shift g and g, because I’m building a tutorial and don’t want the confusion.
For future reference: if the regular review commands aren't doing it for you for some reason, maybe try the speech history add-on. Shift-F11 with that add-on, will always read the last thing spoken.

Luke


NVDA's new 1 core voices feature seems pretty broken

Jackie
 

So I decided to experiment to see if my Eloquence would say Cuban
pesos instead of cups. No matter what permutation I tried, it didn't.
But what I did find was:
1) When I changed the speech synth to 1core voices, when I tabbed to
the voice settings portion of the dialog, the voices didn't change in
the listing, ie, the eloquence voices of Reid & Shelley, etc, were
present as opposed to the expected 1core voices of David, Mark, etc.
2) Even when arrowing thru the list of those voices, the speaking
voice did not change, ie, Shelly never became female.
3) If I checked the rate boost checkbox, the rate slider never
adjusted the rate. It was just blindingly fast, if you'll pardon the
pun, even at rate 0.

It seems you've got to exit the menu, then go back in to have anything
actually take effect. If nothing else, users should likely at least be
made aware of these caviots. I guess perhaps that should be reported
on Github, but I'm to bleepin lazy to go thru all that.

&yeah--1core voices do say Cuban pesos. Leave it to MS speech
technology to do something idiotic like that.

Retreating back into my hole.


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Re: Repeating Alt Text of the current object

Quentin Christensen
 

You've got NVDA in laptop keyboard layout, so the keys are a little different to desktop layout (NVDA+up arrow only works in desktop layout to read the current line) - similarly NVDA+A is now say all instead of NVDA+down arrow for you.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 10:50 AM Gabbert, Darren <gabbertd@...> wrote:

Thanks! NVDA + l worked. I got hung up on NVDA + up arrow keeps reading the document title.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 7:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Repeating Alt Text of the current object

 

Hi Darren,


If you press NVDA+up arrow or NVDA+l to read the current line NVDA will read Graphic then whatever the alt text is.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 9:57 AM Gabbert, Darren <gabbertd@...> wrote:

When I’m in Microsoft Word and in browse mode I can press g or Shift g to move from image to image. Is there a way to repeat the alt text of the image with focus? I don’t want to shift g and g, because I’m building a tutorial and don’t want the confusion.

Thanks!

Darren

 

Darren Gabbert
Sr. Business Operations Associate
Adaptive Computing Technology Center
University of Missouri Division of IT
N-17 Memorial Union
Columbia, MO 65211
Phone: (573) 673-5629
Fax:  (314) 594-9909
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Re: NVDA pronouncing cups as Cuban Pesos

 

Mary,

           Have you tried the default dictionary addition I've documented earlier?   I have yet to see it fail, regardless of synth, and I'd be really curious to know if it does fail with any specific synth.

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The color of truth is grey.

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Re: Repeating Alt Text of the current object

Gabbert, Darren <gabbertd@...>
 

Thanks! NVDA + l worked. I got hung up on NVDA + up arrow keeps reading the document title.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 7:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Repeating Alt Text of the current object

 

Hi Darren,


If you press NVDA+up arrow or NVDA+l to read the current line NVDA will read Graphic then whatever the alt text is.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 9:57 AM Gabbert, Darren <gabbertd@...> wrote:

When I’m in Microsoft Word and in browse mode I can press g or Shift g to move from image to image. Is there a way to repeat the alt text of the image with focus? I don’t want to shift g and g, because I’m building a tutorial and don’t want the confusion.

Thanks!

Darren

 

Darren Gabbert
Sr. Business Operations Associate
Adaptive Computing Technology Center
University of Missouri Division of IT
N-17 Memorial Union
Columbia, MO 65211
Phone: (573) 673-5629
Fax:  (314) 594-9909
Darren@...

 


 

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Re: NVDA pronouncing cups as Cuban Pesos

Tyler Spivey
 

The reason it does this is because the screen reader isn't giving the synth enough information to figure out what you meant.

Usually, you say 2 cups. That's fine. For the case of 1/2 cup, 1/2 is a fraction, and the synth knows this:
In the python console:

t=wx.CallLater(500, speech.getSynth().speak, [u'1/2 cup'])

However, NVDA's symbol settings are set to send the / as a word, so it fails in this case.

On 8/22/2019 5:12 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Quentin,
         Specific question:  Was it only cup, or cups, or both that said "Cuban Pesos."     For me it is only ever the singular.  And in this recipe specifically coming after a fraction not represented as a fractional character but as digit one slash digit two.
          I am using Microsoft David.
          And, both in pure snark and serious mode, you could probably count on your hands and toes the number of contexts where "cup" is stated as Cuban Pesos in the English speaking world where that would be correct.  That's what makes the synth choice all the more bizarre.
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Re: NVDA pronouncing cups as Cuban Pesos

Quentin Christensen
 

Good question Brian, it was only the 1/2 cup not the 2 cups.  I just tried writing:
1/2 cup
1 cup
2 cup
2 cups
1/2 cups
the cups
the cup

and Zira and David only read the first line and the 2 cup line as cuban pesos.

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 10:12 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Quentin,

         Specific question:  Was it only cup, or cups, or both that said "Cuban Pesos."     For me it is only ever the singular.  And in this recipe specifically coming after a fraction not represented as a fractional character but as digit one slash digit two.

          I am using Microsoft David.

          And, both in pure snark and serious mode, you could probably count on your hands and toes the number of contexts where "cup" is stated as Cuban Pesos in the English speaking world where that would be correct.  That's what makes the synth choice all the more bizarre.
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Re: NVDA pronouncing cups as Cuban Pesos

Mary Otten
 

I haven’t chimed into this discussion, because I am not at home and us can’t access my PC. But I to have encountered a very annoying Cuban pesos problem, and I am not using a 1 core voice. My preferred voice is the James voice from my Kurzweil 1000 CD. But I know that this voice is also available in other places. I’m trying desperately to remember who actually produces it, and I’m coming up blank. I think I have also seen this problem with the voices fromIvona, but I’m not even sure you can get licenses for those anymore. I still have one and still use it. But it is definitely a problem with the James voice. And that is a sappy five voice.



On Aug 22, 2019, at 5:00 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

I just tried on that recipe, and reading the ingredients, with Microsoft Zira, 1/2 cup white wine is read as "cuban pesos".  If I change to Microsoft George or Catherine or several others, it reads the amount of wine correctly.  I know the different OneCore voices are installed with different language packs in Windows - because they're just names, I can never remember which comes with which.  I know Catherine is the Australian voice, so maybe they assumed not many Australian's would be dealing in Cuban Pesos, compared to folk in the US?

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 4:41 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Suzy,

      I just did the default dictionary entry using cup/Cup as described earlier, and made sure to make the context "Whole Word" at the end of the dialog, as I don't want, say, "cupid" mispronounced, and it definitely works.   I used the webpage you reference for testing.

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Re: NVDA pronouncing cups as Cuban Pesos

 

Quentin,

         Specific question:  Was it only cup, or cups, or both that said "Cuban Pesos."     For me it is only ever the singular.  And in this recipe specifically coming after a fraction not represented as a fractional character but as digit one slash digit two.

          I am using Microsoft David.

          And, both in pure snark and serious mode, you could probably count on your hands and toes the number of contexts where "cup" is stated as Cuban Pesos in the English speaking world where that would be correct.  That's what makes the synth choice all the more bizarre.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


Repeating Alt Text of the current object

Gabbert, Darren <gabbertd@...>
 

When I’m in Microsoft Word and in browse mode I can press g or Shift g to move from image to image. Is there a way to repeat the alt text of to image with focus? I don’t want to shift g and g, because I’m building a tutorial and don’t want the confusion.

Thanks!

Darren

 

Darren Gabbert
Sr. Business Operations Associate
Adaptive Computing Technology Center
University of Missouri Division of IT
N-17 Memorial Union
Columbia, MO 65211
Phone: (573) 673-5629
Fax:  (314) 594-9909
Darren@...

 


Re: Repeating Alt Text of the current object

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Darren,

If you press NVDA+up arrow or NVDA+l to read the current line NVDA will read Graphic then whatever the alt text is.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 9:57 AM Gabbert, Darren <gabbertd@...> wrote:

When I’m in Microsoft Word and in browse mode I can press g or Shift g to move from image to image. Is there a way to repeat the alt text of the image with focus? I don’t want to shift g and g, because I’m building a tutorial and don’t want the confusion.

Thanks!

Darren

 

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Fax:  (314) 594-9909
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Re: NVDA pronouncing cups as Cuban Pesos

Quentin Christensen
 

I just tried on that recipe, and reading the ingredients, with Microsoft Zira, 1/2 cup white wine is read as "cuban pesos".  If I change to Microsoft George or Catherine or several others, it reads the amount of wine correctly.  I know the different OneCore voices are installed with different language packs in Windows - because they're just names, I can never remember which comes with which.  I know Catherine is the Australian voice, so maybe they assumed not many Australian's would be dealing in Cuban Pesos, compared to folk in the US?


On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 4:41 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Suzy,

      I just did the default dictionary entry using cup/Cup as described earlier, and made sure to make the context "Whole Word" at the end of the dialog, as I don't want, say, "cupid" mispronounced, and it definitely works.   I used the webpage you reference for testing.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Repeating Alt Text of the current object

Gabbert, Darren <gabbertd@...>
 

When I’m in Microsoft Word and in browse mode I can press g or Shift g to move from image to image. Is there a way to repeat the alt text of the image with focus? I don’t want to shift g and g, because I’m building a tutorial and don’t want the confusion.

Thanks!

Darren

 

Darren Gabbert
Sr. Business Operations Associate
Adaptive Computing Technology Center
University of Missouri Division of IT
N-17 Memorial Union
Columbia, MO 65211
Phone: (573) 673-5629
Fax:  (314) 594-9909
Darren@...

 


Re: setting Firefox as default browser using NVDA

 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 06:13 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
I am not Brian, but I can clarify that for you. It is, in fact, the exact opposite of what you thought. A restart brings Windows down, then restarts it from the ground up. These days, shutdown actually just puts your system into a hibernation mode (a more inactive form of sleep mode), and never really shuts it down. Therefore, restart is the more effective way to be sure Windows actually shuts down and comes back up.
Yep.   The most inane and counterintuitive change Microsoft introduced.   I have nothing against the Fast Startup, per se, but I do have a huge problem with how people can and do believe that doing a shutdown does exactly what it says.   If they wanted a separate form of Hibernation, which is what Fast Startup does (it only saves the OS system state out to disk, full hibernation does that along with the user state(s) for all user(s) active at the time), they should have called it something like Slumber.

The first thing I do when configuring a new Windows 10 system is to turn Fast Startup off.  When, not if, but when a corruption in the hiberfile occurs your system can have some of the most bizarre behaviors that make absolutely no sense.  And the multi-hour tail chasing I did once to determine this when working with one of my clients in a community college setting, trying to figure out why his keyboard would not work right (and, thus, neither did JAWS) I never wanted to do it again.

On systems with SSDs the decrease in boot times when it's off are imperceptible.  On regular HDD it's not that much longer to boot from scratch, and well worth it in my opinion.
 
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Re: Does anyone know much about accessiBe?

Blaster
 

Sam, This product is designed to work with all screen readers so it's
not necessarily a NVDA topic. But to answer your query quickly, this
isn't for designing websites, it's a quick fix for existing websites
that need to protect themselves against ADA lawsuits. If you have a
large website and no website programmers in-house, this is a down and
dirty quick fix at an extremely high yearly cost. If you have any
questions just hit me up off list.

HTH,
Blaster

On 8/21/19, Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:
Hi All,



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Re: setting Firefox as default browser using NVDA

Luke Davis
 

All true, although I didn't think it necessary to get into in answering the specific question.
That said, if the topic interests anyone, here is a pretty comprehensive (and recent) article about it, why you should/shouldn't do it, and how to change it.

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disable-windows-10-fast-startup

Luke

On Thu, 22 Aug 2019, Gene wrote:

If fast boot is disabled, shutdown will completely shut down the computer.  If I had Windows 10 and had fast boot on, I would still do a restart from time
to time to avoid instability caused by Windows not fully ever shutting down.  How often you would do this, you can experiment to find out.  But if you don't
want to experiment, I would think four or five day intervals would be good.  But you may have stability and performance problems sooner or later so you may
want to experiment.
 
Gene
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From: Luke Davis
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 5:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] setting Firefox as default browser using NVDA
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

I used “Restart” as the shutdown procedure. Should I have used “shutdown” instead? I have a feeling that I read something about the Shutdown procedure
closing all windows routines but the Restart does not do so. I would be glad if you could clarify this for me.
I am not Brian, but I can clarify that for you. It is, in fact, the exact
opposite of what you thought. A restart brings Windows down, then restarts it
from the ground up. These days, shutdown actually just puts your system into a
hibernation mode (a more inactive form of sleep mode), and never really shuts it
down. Therefore, restart is the more effective way to be sure Windows actually
shuts down and comes back up.

When I type a web address into the windows search box, the web page always comes up in EDGE! How can I change that default behavior to Firefox? Edge is
listed in the potential default apps but is not checked as the default, Firefox is.
I don't know how to (or if you can) fix that, but if you use windows+r (the run
dialog) to type your web addresses, they should open in the default browser.
Luke