Hi all!

Marry Christmas to you too!!!

I would like to wish everybody a Merry Christmas!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Hi, Molly,

Happy Holidays to you and everyone on list. May 2020 be a better year

for all of us.

Rosemarie

On 12/24/2019 8:51 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

> Hey everyone.

> 

> I'd like to wish you all  happy holidays and a happy  new year.

> 

>  

> 

> Regards

> 

>  

> 

> Molly

> 

> 

>

> 

> 

I would like to wish everybody a Merry Christmas!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Hi, Molly,

Happy Holidays to you and everyone on list. May 2020 be a better year

for all of us.

Rosemarie

On 12/24/2019 8:51 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

> Hey everyone.

> 

> I'd like to wish you all  happy holidays and a happy  new year.

> 

>  

> 

> Regards

> 

>  

> 

> Molly

> 

> 

>

> 

> 

Hi, Molly,

Happy Holidays to you and everyone on list. May 2020 be a better year

for all of us.

Rosemarie

On 12/24/2019 8:51 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

> Hey everyone.

> 

> I'd like to wish you all  happy holidays and a happy  new year.

> 

>  

> 

> Regards

> 

>  

> 

> Molly

> 

> 

>

> 

> 

On 12/24/19, Lenron <lenron93@...> wrote:

> Yeah I refuse to buy anything from them again. What a total rip

> 

> On 12/23/19, g melconian <gmelconian619@...> wrote:

>> Haryth, I do agree with you on this one.

>> 

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth

>> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 3:10 PM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence in XP and Windows 10

>> 

>> After the eloquence for android ripoff

>> I won't purchase any Code Factory product in the future.

>> they have the poorest license check and fix if error bit it.

>> among all the paid software  I've known and used.

>> plus From the way of their updates routine, It look like they higher temp

>> developers to patch and leave.

>> 

>> On 12/23/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

>>> For anyone still using XP who is interested, Code Factory states that

>>> MSAPI5 Eloquence works in Windows Vista, 7, 8, and 10.  I tried it on

>>> my XP Service Pack 3 machine today and it runs properly.  Many years

>>> ago, I tried it on another XP machine I no longer have running Service

>>> Pack 2.  It ran in that as well so it will probably run in XP in

>>> general.

>>> 

>>> Also, since an MSAPI5 synthesizer should run in any program that

>>> supports

>>> MSAPI5 speech, it should run in the beta versions of NVDA as well as

>>> in the earlier versions. So it should make no difference if you are

>>> going to use the new versions as they come out or continue to use an old

>>> one.

>>> 

>>> Gene

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> 

> 

> --

> Lenron Brown

> Cell: 985-271-2832

> Skype: ron.brown762

> 

>

> 

> 

Hey everyone.

I'd like to wish you all happy holidays and a happy new year.


Regards


Molly

Hey everyone.

I'd like to wish you all happy holidays and a happy new year.



Regards



Molly

The SAPI5 version works for sure, but not the one with the NVDA addon. Codefactory will give an updated version of the addon as soon as NVDA 2019.3 is released.

Their licences are ok as long as you deactivate before any major bios or
os update and you can reset them easily by contacting them or atguys
where I got my stuff from.

The issue I have is if the server goes down and they ask to well check
to see if they are active they instantly becaome non active.

You don't lose your seat but still.



On 24/12/2019 12:09 pm, Hareth wrote:

After the eloquence for android ripoff
I won't purchase any Code Factory product in the future.
they have the poorest license check and fix if error bit it.
among all the paid software I've known and used.
plus From the way of their updates routine,
It look like they higher temp developers to patch and leave.

On 12/23/19, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

For anyone still using XP who is interested, Code Factory states that
MSAPI5
Eloquence works in Windows Vista, 7, 8, and 10. I tried it on my XP
Service
Pack 3 machine today and it runs properly. Many years ago, I tried it
on
another XP machine I no longer have running Service Pack 2. It ran in
that
as well so it will probably run in XP in general.

Also, since an MSAPI5 synthesizer should run in any program that
supports
MSAPI5 speech, it should run in the beta versions of NVDA as well as in
the
earlier versions. So it should make no difference if you are going to
use
the new versions as they come out or continue to use an old one.

Gene

.

Hi,
Ah, touchscreens...
1. Moving around text inside a window: this is done with what's called "text mode" (you can toggle between at least two touch modes by doing a three finger single tap; I'll explain why I said "at least two modes" below). In text mode, one finger flick right or left will move to next or previous character, two finger flick right or left will move to next or previous word, and one finger flick down or up will move to next or previous line. This is in relation to review cursor.
2. Thunderbird email entries: if the logic from other email clients is applicable, then yes, you can move between messages by using one finger flick left or right in object mode.
3. Touchscreen tutorial: already covered by yours truly as part of Welcome to NVDA series.

As for my remark on touch modes above: yes, I did say "at least two modes". The reason: Enhanced Touch Gestures add-on (I know, I find myself advertising my add-ons on a monthly basis...). IN addition to text and object modes, Enhanced Touch Gestures adds two additional touch modes:
* Synth settings: used to change synthesizer settings on the fly such as rate and voice (two finger flick left or right to step through settings, two finger flick up or down to change settings).
* Web: used to navigate between different web elements (one finger flick up or down to go through web elements (regular/normal, headings, links, form fields, frames, tables, landmarks), one finger flick left or right to move amongst elements).
But that's a small taste of what that add-on can do (it is perhaps one of the most powerful add-ons out there besides Remote and Windows 10 App Essentials).
Cheers,
JOseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 9:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using NVDA on a tablet.

Hey all. I know this has been talked about in here before, but it seems to have been pretty brief. I don't want a whole crash course on using a tablet, I'll keep it to a simple use case.


I have QRead, or Notepad, or whatever open with some text. I pull the tablet off of the keyboard, so now it's a tablet, it's a Surface Pro, if that matters. I can move around on the desktop or whatever to get to a program, and double tap it, and it will open. I still haven't figured out if that puts me in its window, so let's say the window's already open. How do I:


1. Get to the window, and put focus in the window?


2. Make the window read, i.e. a say-all, the equivalent of NVDA-a in the laptop layout? I assume touching anywhere on the screen will stop it.


I've briefly tried messing with this, and although I get the basic
swiping to objects and such, I still haven't figured out what happens
once an object is active, lie what I'm talking about here. I don't know
how to get inside of it and manipulate the insides, so to speak, with
touch gestures. As another example, assume I open Thunderbird. I'm not
sure the individual messages get treated as objects, do they?


If somebody can cover this use case, I can start playing with things,
and I can see about making a tutorial, at least in text and possibly
audio, since I know I'm not the only person to ask about this.

Their licences are ok as long as you deactivate before any major bios or
os update and you can reset them easily by contacting them or atguys
where I got my stuff from.

The issue I have is if the server goes down and they ask to well check
to see if they are active they instantly becaome non active.

You don't lose your seat but still.



On 24/12/2019 12:09 pm, Hareth wrote:

After the eloquence for android ripoff
I won't purchase any Code Factory product in the future.
they have the poorest license check and fix if error bit it.
among all the paid software I've known and used.
plus From the way of their updates routine,
It look like they higher temp developers to patch and leave.

On 12/23/19, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

For anyone still using XP who is interested, Code Factory states that
MSAPI5
Eloquence works in Windows Vista, 7, 8, and 10. I tried it on my XP
Service
Pack 3 machine today and it runs properly. Many years ago, I tried it
on
another XP machine I no longer have running Service Pack 2. It ran in
that
as well so it will probably run in XP in general.

Also, since an MSAPI5 synthesizer should run in any program that
supports
MSAPI5 speech, it should run in the beta versions of NVDA as well as in
the
earlier versions. So it should make no difference if you are going to
use
the new versions as they come out or continue to use an old one.

Gene

.

After the eloquence for android ripoff
I won't purchase any Code Factory product in the future.
they have the poorest license check and fix if error bit it.
among all the paid software I've known and used.
plus From the way of their updates routine,
It look like they higher temp developers to patch and leave.

On 12/23/19, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

For anyone still using XP who is interested, Code Factory states that MSAPI5
Eloquence works in Windows Vista, 7, 8, and 10. I tried it on my XP Service
Pack 3 machine today and it runs properly. Many years ago, I tried it on
another XP machine I no longer have running Service Pack 2. It ran in that
as well so it will probably run in XP in general.

Also, since an MSAPI5 synthesizer should run in any program that supports
MSAPI5 speech, it should run in the beta versions of NVDA as well as in the
earlier versions. So it should make no difference if you are going to use
the new versions as they come out or continue to use an old one.

Gene

.

Haryth, I do agree with you on this one.

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth

Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 3:10 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence in XP and Windows 10

After the eloquence for android ripoff

I won't purchase any Code Factory product in the future.

they have the poorest license check and fix if error bit it.

among all the paid software  I've known and used.

plus From the way of their updates routine, It look like they higher temp developers to patch and leave.

On 12/23/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> For anyone still using XP who is interested, Code Factory states that

> MSAPI5 Eloquence works in Windows Vista, 7, 8, and 10.  I tried it on

> my XP Service Pack 3 machine today and it runs properly.  Many years

> ago, I tried it on another XP machine I no longer have running Service

> Pack 2.  It ran in that as well so it will probably run in XP in general.

> 

> Also, since an MSAPI5 synthesizer should run in any program that

> supports

> MSAPI5 speech, it should run in the beta versions of NVDA as well as

> in the earlier versions. So it should make no difference if you are

> going to use the new versions as they come out or continue to use an old one.

> 

> Gene

> 

>

> 

> 

Hello Quentin,

Recently I was thinking about it and I've decided to ask/suggest what I was
thinking. It is related to the version number for the next release of NVDA.
Yes, it is planned to be 2019.3, but considering that it will probably come
out in early 2020, isn't it better to change it to 2020.1? And on second
thought (which came just as I was writing this) - maybe it is not such a
good idea to do such a change. Main reason against - it is the fact that
add-ons have compatibility flags in their templates and the change suggested
by me will brake those compatibility flags (the add-ons in practice will be
compatible, but the compatibility flags in them will indicate otherwise (and
the flags are what NVDA checks add-ons for compatibility)). So, we might as
well leave the NVDA version to be 2019.3, even if it will be released
probably in early 2020.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

На 9.12.2019 г. в 13:20, Quentin Christensen написа:

Replying to everyone at once just to save traffic:

Kostadin: I'm not sure when the translation freeze will begin, I'd suggest
likely early in the new year, but don't quote me on that - I'll try to get
you a more up to date answer.

Shaun: I'm not sure what you were replying to there about not wanting
another announcement?  Which one don't you want?  Also re audio themes,
yes, it will come, not in 2019.3, but it will come :)

Robert: Feel free to try the beta out, even if you are using non-standard
add-ons, at least you can work out what will work and what won't and maybe
find an alternative way for some things or convince add-on authors to
update (and ideally publish on the community page - unless they....
wouldn't meet the legal requirements, shall we say, in which case, do
consider finding an alternative :))

Gene: Glad the update didn't break your startup setting.  Fingers crossed
it works from now on! :)

Quentin.

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 7:52 PM hurrikennyandopo ...
<hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Quentin


I noticed this time when I down loaded the beta it keeped my setting for
starting nvda when windows starts up. it used to un check the box so glad
it is fixed.


Well I am guessing it will stay the same from now on with each beta
update?


Gene nz


On 9/12/2019 8:32 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Sky,

The copy to clipboard etc conversation comes up regularly.  For now,
I'll just direct you to my comment last time this came
up: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/66783

Re Remote, there are arguments for and against that.  For, as you say,
means new users don't need to install an update.  Against is we often
get asked by companies installing NVDA about security and what data NVDA
can or does send.  Currently, it's quite easy to answer, as the program
sends very little information and no personal information or speech
content or what the user is doing.  If we included Remote in the core,
we'd need to work out how to keep everyone happy.  I'm not saying we
can't or wouldn't, but it won't be in 2019.3 (not least of which because
aside from whether we agree or not, we don't tend to add too many new
features after we release a beta - from now on, work on 2019.3 will
primarily be around stability and addressing any issues which get
reported.  New features will still be worked on, but for Alpha releases
looking towards inclusion in 2019.1.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 6:21 PM Sky Mundell <skyt@shaw.ca> wrote:

Hello Quentin. I have downloaded the NVDA 2019.3.1 Beta release, and I
have noticed a huge improvements over the 2019.2 one. Speech refactor
is certainly a wonderful thing and I applaud speech refactor very much.
However, there is one suggestion that could be included in the next
betas. And that is the ability to have NVDA say, copied to clipboard,
cut to clipboard, without the need for an add-on, and the second is I’d
like to see the remote functionality built into the core of NVDA so
that those of us who train on NVDA like myself can help clients without
them having to install add-ons. Thanks, Sky.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 10:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2019.3 Beta 1 is out



Hi everyone,



The big news you've all been waiting for - 2019.3 beta 1 is out.  Read
the full release notes
here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/



As well as the update to Python, there are lots of exciting things in
this release, some of these were covered in In-Process
recently: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-november/ and a
few more will be highlighted in the next In-Process



Be sure to download it and please do let us know what works and
importantly, what
doesn't: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/



Kind regards



Quentin.



--

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Training and Support Manager



Web: www.nvaccess.org

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

--
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Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

Yeah I refuse to buy anything from them again. What a total rip

On 12/23/19, g melconian <gmelconian619@gmail.com> wrote:

Haryth, I do agree with you on this one.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence in XP and Windows 10

After the eloquence for android ripoff
I won't purchase any Code Factory product in the future.
they have the poorest license check and fix if error bit it.
among all the paid software I've known and used.
plus From the way of their updates routine, It look like they higher temp
developers to patch and leave.

On 12/23/19, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

For anyone still using XP who is interested, Code Factory states that
MSAPI5 Eloquence works in Windows Vista, 7, 8, and 10. I tried it on
my XP Service Pack 3 machine today and it runs properly. Many years
ago, I tried it on another XP machine I no longer have running Service
Pack 2. It ran in that as well so it will probably run in XP in
general.

Also, since an MSAPI5 synthesizer should run in any program that
supports
MSAPI5 speech, it should run in the beta versions of NVDA as well as
in the earlier versions. So it should make no difference if you are
going to use the new versions as they come out or continue to use an old
one.

Gene

--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762

Haryth, I do agree with you on this one.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence in XP and Windows 10

After the eloquence for android ripoff
I won't purchase any Code Factory product in the future.
they have the poorest license check and fix if error bit it.
among all the paid software I've known and used.
plus From the way of their updates routine, It look like they higher temp
developers to patch and leave.

On 12/23/19, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

For anyone still using XP who is interested, Code Factory states that
MSAPI5 Eloquence works in Windows Vista, 7, 8, and 10. I tried it on
my XP Service Pack 3 machine today and it runs properly. Many years
ago, I tried it on another XP machine I no longer have running Service
Pack 2. It ran in that as well so it will probably run in XP in general.

Also, since an MSAPI5 synthesizer should run in any program that
supports
MSAPI5 speech, it should run in the beta versions of NVDA as well as
in the earlier versions. So it should make no difference if you are
going to use the new versions as they come out or continue to use an old
one.

Gene

For anyone still using XP who is interested, Code Factory states that
MSAPI5 Eloquence works in Windows Vista, 7, 8, and 10. I tried it on
my XP Service Pack 3 machine today and it runs properly. Many years
ago, I tried it on another XP machine I no longer have running Service
Pack 2. It ran in that as well so it will probably run in XP in general.

Also, since an MSAPI5 synthesizer should run in any program that
supports
MSAPI5 speech, it should run in the beta versions of NVDA as well as
in the earlier versions. So it should make no difference if you are
going to use the new versions as they come out or continue to use an old one.

Gene