Date   

In-Process 13th September 2019

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

In this week's In-Process, info on NVDACon, and details of some of the exciting fixes and features coming in NVDA 2019.3, including several highly anticipated inclusions.

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-13th-september/

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


thunderbird

Kerryn Gunness
 


i need a tutorial to use thunderbird with NVDA
thanks


Re: Bluetooth problem

John J. Boyer
 

Hello,

Thanks to all of you who replied to my original message. as a result I have concluded that theBluetooth chip in my computer is probably incompatible with a recent
Microsoft update. I have an Acer notebook computer with Windows 10 Pro. It was doing fine until a few weeks ago. We will try to find the correct driver and
install it.

John

On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 10:41:11AM -0700, Tony Malykh wrote:
My add-on won't help here unfortunately - since it only works with audio
devices.

I have experienced similar connectivity problems a while ago with my
bluetooth headphones and it was resolved after installing new bluetooth
drivers. Judging by the symptoms you're describing your problem indeed
sounds like a driver issue. Disabling power saving options for bluetooth
seems to be a reasonable thing to try, but if it doesn't help - update your
drivers. You'd have to figure out the name of your bluetooth chip and find
most recent drivers for it - this is what helped in my case.

--Tony


On 9/11/2019 8:39 AM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
Hi John,

I wonder if Tony Malykh's bluetooth audio addon might help. It is
intended to stop the computer's blue tooth from going into standby for
audio purposes, but I don't see why it wouldn't work for your Braille
device's bluetooth connection too.

This is the web link:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/BluetoothAudio.en.html

And this, copied from the addon page, explains how it works:
"Most bluetooth devices enter standby mode after a few seconds of
inactivity. That means that when NVDA starts speaking again, the first
split second of sound will be lost. Bluetooth Audio add-on prevents
bluetooth devices from entering standby mode by constantly playing a
silent sound, that is inaudible to a human ear."

Hope it helps :)

Giles

--
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Email: john.boyer@...
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost


Re: New add-on for Brother Utilities app

Rui Fontes
 

Sorry, but, please, tell me where...

As I said, please, give me a step to step to get there...

Rui Fontes


Às 23:06 de 12/09/2019, Shaun Everiss escreveu:

There is a main box with all the objects and the like, and a lot of buttons the app can not be navigated as such either.
On 13/09/2019 9:56 am, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!

Please, let me know what combobox is inaccessible...

Give me a step to step guide for those inaccessible comboboxes...


Rui Fontes


Às 22:02 de 12/09/2019, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
you go here

https://github.com/ruifontes/BrLauncher/releases/download/1.0/BrLauncher-1.0.nvda-addon

However I wouldn't bother.

The combo boxes are still as inaccessible as ever.

The documentation doesn't have a command list, it will run as far back is 17.03 and as current is last nvda.

The documentation seems to just be the really basic readme pulled from github.

Now this is from a user looking at this briefly.

The addon works.

But it may as well be a pile of crap for all it does to me.

I don't know how to work it, there is basically no documentation except for a small description about what it does.

There isn't even a keyboard shortcut list.

If at all possible, I would like to see more than a learn more button labeled on the brother utilities and the iprint software.

There is a combobox on brother utilities but that and iprint are pritty much no gos as far as it matters.

Luckily unless you need to reinstall the driver you never have to bother with this really.

In fact depending on what you are doing, you may never need to bother about any of the brother software for basic tasks, both printing and scanning.

If your router or something changes you can edit the printer address as long as you have set that up yourself and configure it from windows and the web interfaces.

Hopefully you won't need to do that that often.

The software is a bit hit and miss, but then its not a problem because you don't need to use that software for scanning and printing which is about all we will ever need it for.

Anything else and well who knows.

The software for most brother things are just front ends for standard dumb users that want to use it.

The web interface is accessible enough for most users.

If you know how to configure a router then you will know how to use the web interface of any device like this.

The brother printer is like that.



On 13/09/2019 2:52 am, Robert Logue wrote:
Hello Rui.  I am very interested in your addon. I just got a Brother laser mfp.


Please. How do I install this addon?


Thanks.


Bob


On 2019-05-18 9:36 a.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!

It is available an add-on to labell the buttons of this app, used for the Broter printers and multifunctionals and to gave some hints...

The code is available in:
https://github.com/ruifontes/BrLauncher

Direct download:
https://github.com/ruifontes/BrLauncher/releases/download/1.0/BrLauncher-1.0.nvda-addon

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team
Tiflotecnia, Lda.







Re: New add-on for Brother Utilities app

 

There is a main box with all the objects and the like, and a lot of buttons the app can not be navigated as such either.

On 13/09/2019 9:56 am, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!

Please, let me know what combobox is inaccessible...

Give me a step to step guide for those inaccessible comboboxes...


Rui Fontes


Às 22:02 de 12/09/2019, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
you go here

https://github.com/ruifontes/BrLauncher/releases/download/1.0/BrLauncher-1.0.nvda-addon

However I wouldn't bother.

The combo boxes are still as inaccessible as ever.

The documentation doesn't have a command list, it will run as far back is 17.03 and as current is last nvda.

The documentation seems to just be the really basic readme pulled from github.

Now this is from a user looking at this briefly.

The addon works.

But it may as well be a pile of crap for all it does to me.

I don't know how to work it, there is basically no documentation except for a small description about what it does.

There isn't even a keyboard shortcut list.

If at all possible, I would like to see more than a learn more button labeled on the brother utilities and the iprint software.

There is a combobox on brother utilities but that and iprint are pritty much no gos as far as it matters.

Luckily unless you need to reinstall the driver you never have to bother with this really.

In fact depending on what you are doing, you may never need to bother about any of the brother software for basic tasks, both printing and scanning.

If your router or something changes you can edit the printer address as long as you have set that up yourself and configure it from windows and the web interfaces.

Hopefully you won't need to do that that often.

The software is a bit hit and miss, but then its not a problem because you don't need to use that software for scanning and printing which is about all we will ever need it for.

Anything else and well who knows.

The software for most brother things are just front ends for standard dumb users that want to use it.

The web interface is accessible enough for most users.

If you know how to configure a router then you will know how to use the web interface of any device like this.

The brother printer is like that.



On 13/09/2019 2:52 am, Robert Logue wrote:
Hello Rui.  I am very interested in your addon. I just got a Brother laser mfp.


Please. How do I install this addon?


Thanks.


Bob


On 2019-05-18 9:36 a.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!

It is available an add-on to labell the buttons of this app, used for the Broter printers and multifunctionals and to gave some hints...

The code is available in:
https://github.com/ruifontes/BrLauncher

Direct download:
https://github.com/ruifontes/BrLauncher/releases/download/1.0/BrLauncher-1.0.nvda-addon

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team
Tiflotecnia, Lda.






Re: New add-on for Brother Utilities app

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

Please, let me know what combobox is inaccessible...

Give me a step to step guide for those inaccessible comboboxes...


Rui Fontes


Às 22:02 de 12/09/2019, Shaun Everiss escreveu:

you go here
https://github.com/ruifontes/BrLauncher/releases/download/1.0/BrLauncher-1.0.nvda-addon However I wouldn't bother.
The combo boxes are still as inaccessible as ever.
The documentation doesn't have a command list, it will run as far back is 17.03 and as current is last nvda.
The documentation seems to just be the really basic readme pulled from github.
Now this is from a user looking at this briefly.
The addon works.
But it may as well be a pile of crap for all it does to me.
I don't know how to work it, there is basically no documentation except for a small description about what it does.
There isn't even a keyboard shortcut list.
If at all possible, I would like to see more than a learn more button labeled on the brother utilities and the iprint software.
There is a combobox on brother utilities but that and iprint are pritty much no gos as far as it matters.
Luckily unless you need to reinstall the driver you never have to bother with this really.
In fact depending on what you are doing, you may never need to bother about any of the brother software for basic tasks, both printing and scanning.
If your router or something changes you can edit the printer address as long as you have set that up yourself and configure it from windows and the web interfaces.
Hopefully you won't need to do that that often.
The software is a bit hit and miss, but then its not a problem because you don't need to use that software for scanning and printing which is about all we will ever need it for.
Anything else and well who knows.
The software for most brother things are just front ends for standard dumb users that want to use it.
The web interface is accessible enough for most users.
If you know how to configure a router then you will know how to use the web interface of any device like this.
The brother printer is like that.
On 13/09/2019 2:52 am, Robert Logue wrote:
Hello Rui.  I am very interested in your addon. I just got a Brother laser mfp.


Please. How do I install this addon?


Thanks.


Bob


On 2019-05-18 9:36 a.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!

It is available an add-on to labell the buttons of this app, used for the Broter printers and multifunctionals and to gave some hints...

The code is available in:
https://github.com/ruifontes/BrLauncher

Direct download:
https://github.com/ruifontes/BrLauncher/releases/download/1.0/BrLauncher-1.0.nvda-addon

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team
Tiflotecnia, Lda.




Re: NVDA pronouncing "no" as "number" with some widgets but only with Microsoft synthesizers

Luke Davis
 

slugolicious and others interested

Solved as follows...

In my testing with notepad, with MS voices, I was able to get the "no" as "number" behavior, only when there really was a number after it.
"no. 1"
"no 1"
"no 1"
All spoke as "number 1", while "no", with or without period, in any other usages, spoke as "no".
Presumptuous, but implemented intelligently.

So then I took slugolicious's actual original test case, and ran that in Firefox.

I was able to replicate the dropdown behavior, where "no" is stated as "number". Looking at the NVDA debug log, it is clear why this is happening: in certain contexts, the number of options is announced as "2 of 2" or similar. What is being sent to the synth is "no 2 of 2", which in any other circumstance should be spoken as "number 2" a vast majority of the time.

Further, since there seems to always be two spaces placed between the word and its option position whether there are 2, 99, or 110 options (I tested), we can fix this with a rather narrow regular expression.

Using a speech dictionary specifically for Microsoft David, I did a case-insensitive regular expression as follows:

Pattern: \Ano(?= \d)
Replacement: know

Note the double space inside the parenthesized portion of the expression.

All "no" as "number" cases still work, except the very particular case of the word "no", followed by two spaces, followed by a digit, which is now pronounced as "no" not "number".
(Actually it's pronounced as "know", which in English is the same thing.)

Hth

Luke


Re: New add-on for Brother Utilities app

 

you go here

https://github.com/ruifontes/BrLauncher/releases/download/1.0/BrLauncher-1.0.nvda-addon

However I wouldn't bother.

The combo boxes are still as inaccessible as ever.

The documentation doesn't have a command list, it will run as far back is 17.03 and as current is last nvda.

The documentation seems to just be the really basic readme pulled from github.

Now this is from a user looking at this briefly.

The addon works.

But it may as well be a pile of crap for all it does to me.

I don't know how to work it, there is basically no documentation except for a small description about what it does.

There isn't even a keyboard shortcut list.

If at all possible, I would like to see more than a learn more button labeled on the brother utilities and the iprint software.

There is a combobox on brother utilities but that and iprint are pritty much no gos as far as it matters.

Luckily unless you need to reinstall the driver you never have to bother with this really.

In fact depending on what you are doing, you may never need to bother about any of the brother software for basic tasks, both printing and scanning.

If your router or something changes you can edit the printer address as long as you have set that up yourself and configure it from windows and the web interfaces.

Hopefully you won't need to do that that often.

The software is a bit hit and miss, but then its not a problem because you don't need to use that software for scanning and printing which is about all we will ever need it for.

Anything else and well who knows.

The software for most brother things are just front ends for standard dumb users that want to use it.

The web interface is accessible enough for most users.

If you know how to configure a router then you will know how to use the web interface of any device like this.

The brother printer is like that.

On 13/09/2019 2:52 am, Robert Logue wrote:
Hello Rui.  I am very interested in your addon. I just got a Brother laser mfp.


Please. How do I install this addon?


Thanks.


Bob


On 2019-05-18 9:36 a.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!

It is available an add-on to labell the buttons of this app, used for the Broter printers and multifunctionals and to gave some hints...

The code is available in:
https://github.com/ruifontes/BrLauncher

Direct download:
https://github.com/ruifontes/BrLauncher/releases/download/1.0/BrLauncher-1.0.nvda-addon

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team
Tiflotecnia, Lda.



Re: NVDA pronouncing "no" as "number" with some widgets but only with Microsoft synthesizers

Luke Davis
 

On Thu, 12 Sep 2019, Brian Vogel wrote:

Luke,             [Nn][Oo]\.* (\d+) number \2 was a mistake with the \2, it should have been \1I do not understand the need for the double backslashes in
your:  ([Nn][Oo]\\.*)(?= *\\d+) as that means you are actually escaping the backslash.
Right you are. In my defense, the double backslashes weren't in the original versions of those.
I wrote them in Python, and when I was done, I printed the variables and copied and pasted without looking. I am very unclear why it escaped the backslashes.
I apologize.
It originally said:

([Nn][Oo]\.*)(?= *\d+)

Luke


Re: Equalizer

 

Ame,

          If you want me to try to do a "deep dive" into this, and you can provide screen shots, let's take this to the Chat Subgroup, as it really has nothing to do with NVDA.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


Re: Equalizer

Ame
 

Well, I’ve tweaked so many of them it’s hard to remember which ones I set where.  I’d like to shave off a little more between 400 and 600 hz.  Doesn’t  seem to wanna do that for me without making something else weird happen.  No distortion or anything but it seems to want to make something else stick out.  I’ve fine tuned it as much as I can.  I know those are the frequencies I needed to tone down because I’ve experimented with stuff in Audacity and I got the desired result.  Don’t need much, just a little bit… five, maybe six db?


Re: NVDA pronouncing "no" as "number" with some widgets but only with Microsoft synthesizers

 

Oddly enough, using regular expression:

[Nn][Oo]\.

works.  It requires that the N O be followed by the period, and in any instance where it is you get Number.   There is an issue, though, if no is at the very end of a sentence.  I can't seem to find a way to effectively say, "but not at the end of a sentence," at least not yet.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


Re: New add-on for Brother Utilities app

Robert Logue
 

Hello Rui.  I am very interested in your addon. I just got a Brother laser mfp.


Please. How do I install this addon?


Thanks.


Bob

On 2019-05-18 9:36 a.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!

It is available an add-on to labell the buttons of this app, used for the Broter printers and multifunctionals and to gave some hints...

The code is available in:
https://github.com/ruifontes/BrLauncher

Direct download:
https://github.com/ruifontes/BrLauncher/releases/download/1.0/BrLauncher-1.0.nvda-addon

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Re: Equalizer

 

What setting are you using on the Realtek?   They've generally got a "Custom" that allows all controls to be operated independently of each other.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


Equalizer

Ame
 

Hi all!  Still on the lookout for an NVDA user friendly  eq.  Thanks to Jaffar Sidek for his kindness in sharing info on Equalizer APO but I don’t have the programming smarts to operate that one.  There are too many variables I know nothing about.  Can anybody recommend one that you just open and use the little sliders to tweak various bands?  My Realtek HD eq’s good but I’m having trouble dumbing down a couple frequencies.  Try to turn those down and it boosts others and makes everything sound like you’ve got cups over the speakers.  Lol  Thanks for your help in advance. 


Re: NVDA pronouncing "no" as "number" with some widgets but only with Microsoft synthesizers

 

Luke,

             [Nn][Oo]\.* (\d+) number \2 was a mistake with the \2, it should have been \1

I do not understand the need for the double backslashes in your:  ([Nn][Oo]\\.*)(?= *\\d+) as that means you are actually escaping the backslash. And running this through the Regex101.com engines confirms that. I get the "don't consume" bit, but try to avoid using that myself.

All of the above being said, I did a cut and past of your regular expression for the number abbreviation situation, and am still getting NVDA saying "No" for it.  Notepad file of test phrases is:

No, I won't go.
 
No no no
 
Chanel No. 5
 
Space no. 763
 
No. 7

---------------------------------------------
Something's off here.  I even still get the no pronunciation if I take those double backslashes out and use singles:

([Nn][Oo]\.*)(?= *\d+)

The Regex101 engines all show that matching the classic N O period abbreviation for number, but NVDA is not saying Number when that's used.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


Re: Clock-19.09 #addonrelease

Abdel
 

Hello Robert,

For this, you can subscribe to the nvda-addons mailing list on groups.io:

https://nvda-addons.groups.io/g/nvda-addons

Or dev-learning:

https://nvda.groups.io/g/devlearning

There are also online tutorials.

NVDA 2019.2 Developer Guide:

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/developerGuide.html

NVDA Add on Development Guide:

https://github.com/nvdaaddons/DevGuide/wiki/NVDA-Add-on-Development-Guide

Hope this helps.

Kind regards,
Abdel.


Le 12/09/2019 à 12:48, Robert Doc Wright godfearer a écrit :

I wish I knew enough to do this. There are some things I would like to contribute for SPL Creator.

 

 

 ******

Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.

the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Abdel
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 3:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Clock-19.09 #AddonRelease

 

Hi everyone,

 

It's been 2 weeks since the 19.09 development version of the Clock

add-on has been released.

 

As no bug was reported during this period, I announce the release of the

stable version 19.09.

 

This version of the add-on is downloadable here, it is also available by

clicking on the stable version" link on the community website, as well

as with addonUpdater:

 

https://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=cac

 

As announced earlier, this release fixes a bug that occurred when the

start time was greater than the end time in quiet hours.

 

Thanks.

 

Kind regards,

Abdel.

 

 

 

 


Re: Clock-19.09 #addonrelease

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

I wish I knew enough to do this. There are some things I would like to contribute for SPL Creator.

 

 

 ******

Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.

the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Abdel
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 3:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Clock-19.09 #AddonRelease

 

Hi everyone,

 

It's been 2 weeks since the 19.09 development version of the Clock

add-on has been released.

 

As no bug was reported during this period, I announce the release of the

stable version 19.09.

 

This version of the add-on is downloadable here, it is also available by

clicking on the stable version" link on the community website, as well

as with addonUpdater:

 

https://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=cac

 

As announced earlier, this release fixes a bug that occurred when the

start time was greater than the end time in quiet hours.

 

Thanks.

 

Kind regards,

Abdel.

 

 

 

 


Clock-19.09 #addonrelease

Abdel
 

Hi everyone,

It's been 2 weeks since the 19.09 development version of the Clock add-on has been released.

As no bug was reported during this period, I announce the release of the stable version 19.09.

This version of the add-on is downloadable here, it is also available by clicking on the stable version" link on the community website, as well as with addonUpdater:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=cac

As announced earlier, this release fixes a bug that occurred when the start time was greater than the end time in quiet hours.

Thanks.

Kind regards,
Abdel.


Re: NVDA pronouncing "no" as "number" with some widgets but only with Microsoft synthesizers

Luke Davis
 

On Wed, 11 Sep 2019, Brian Vogel wrote:

Quentin, I tried playing with, both of which were defined as regular expression without case sensitivity: [Nn][Oo]\.* (\d+) number \2
The most obvious problem, is that \2 should be \1. You only have one capturing subexpression, so \2 should be undefined.

That said:

Using source string:
This is no. 5 and No. 6. No it isn't!

pattern: ([Nn][Oo]\\.*)(?= *\\d+)
and replacement: number

Results in:
This is number 5 and number 6. No it isn't!

In Python, the (?=...) construct means "Match, but don't consume".

Note: tested at the python console with re.sub, not in NVDA directly.

[Nn][Oo](\s|$) NoThe above should cause any case combination of "no", optionally followed by a period, followed by a space, followed by one or more digits
to be announced as, "Number" followed by the number that is in the collection of digits.  That's the first line.The second should cause any case combination
of "no" followed by white space or where "no" is the only thing on the line to be announced as No.The problem is that the first line is not working, at
all.   If I have the line:Chanel No. 5
"Chanel number 5" with my expression above.

I would probably do your second pattern as:

[Nn][Oo](?!\.* *\d+)

Using that pattern, a replacement of "know", with this source string:
This is no no. 1, oh no!

Results in:
This is know no. 1, oh know!

And:

No. Way. This. is. No. 1!

Gets:
know. Way. This. is. No. 1!

Hth.

Luke