Re: NVDA adding and changing settings
Gene
Grant and all
Since, in my experience, there are times when a
command needs to be issued twice, issuing control so twice, pausing briefly
between times, will be just about certain to save the document. So if you
issue the command twice, the likelihood of both times failing is so small that
there is no need to worry. I'm not thinking of times when you are going to
close the document, I'm thinking of times when you do some work and you want to
save your work before adding or changing more in the document.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2019 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA adding and changing
settings I don't quite understand why you heard that and we don't. I just never need to hear it, not on any platform I use. I just like I said assume. You don't need to really hear it but just alt f4 or how ever you get out of the windows, control w also works and if you get that prompt you will know you did not invoke the save dialogue. If you saved and got that dialogue and you invoked the control s you will know it just saved as it should just work. Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well. to subscribe to the feed click here Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc. Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here On 7 Nov 2019, at 9:04, Grant Metcalf wrote:
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Re: NVDA adding and changing settings
Gene
I don't know why, but for some reason, this isn't
standard behavior, at least as NVDA and JAWS are concerned. Does a sighted
person see anything indicating that an already saved document is resaved?
You would think there would be some sort of indication, but I don't know and the
lack of an indication from JAWS and NVDA may mean that none is
given.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Grant Metcalf
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2019 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA adding and changing
settings Gene,
Thank you for suggesting using the alt-f4 command to
see if the document needs to be saved. That will be of some help to Grandpa DOS.
Still wish I could hear “document saved”, however, when using the control-s
command. :_)
Listening for His shout!
Grant – A.K.A. Grandpa DOS
Email: the.gems@...
Home: (650) 589-6890
Cell: (650) 278-3084
Website: http://bartimaeus.us/
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Re: Urgent help needed NVDA was not able to loa Microsoft SAPI 5
Gene
Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling the
actual synthesizer program, as well as making sure files that may be left after
the uninstallation are removed before reinstalling? Also, I recall, many
years ago, seeing something about a way to repair SAPI 5. Perhaps others
may know more. I think it was a utility but I don't recall much of
anything except that that may be the case.
Also, you can contact the place where you got the
synthesizer and ask about the problem as well as how to repair SAPI
5.
Gene
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Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2019 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Urgent help needed NVDA was not able to loa
Microsoft SAPI 5 The error message is Synthesizer error Could not load the sapi5 synthesizer. I have tried: 1. restore NVDA default setting 2. reinstall some SAPI 5tts And they failed. Quentin Christensen 於 7/11/2019 15:27 寫道:
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Re: NVDA adding and changing settings
Chris Mullins
Hi Control+s and pressing the save button on the dialog displayed after pressing Alt+f4 will display the SaveAs dialog when used on an untitled Notepad file. Either NVDA is very slow to give it focus or Notepad is slow to display it but it does eventually turn up.
Cheers Chris
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 7 November 2019 16:00 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA adding and changing settings
It sounds as though NVDA isn't reading the save as dialog when the file has never been saved before. If the file has been saved before, there is no save as dialog. The new version of the file is saved. If it isn't, because the control s command didn't work for some reason, when you try to close the program, you will be asked if you want to save the changes, so you will know if you need to save the message. but the save as dialog should be read when it appears when you first save the document.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Mullins Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2019 5:56 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA adding and changing settings
Hi I have been using screen readers for years, though not WindowEyes, and cannot remember a time when i relied on a “document saved” message appearing. When editing a document in Word or Notepad, Control+s is the shortcut to save your document without exiting from it. Using this shortcut implies that you want to save your document contents at that point. If you then use alt+f4 to close the document, it will close. If your document contains unsaved changes and you try to close it using Alt+f4, you will get a message asking if you want to save the document or not . At this point you have 3 choices: you can press the ‘Save’ button – saves the document and closes it You can press the ‘don’t Save’ button – Closes the document without saving it. ** You can press the ‘Cancel’ button – returns focus to the document which remains open.
** Word contains options to auto-save a document at timed intervals whilst editing. If this feature is active, when choosing not to save, you may get a further choice to disregard all changes or only those made since a particular auto-save point.
So, in a nutshell, if you want to be asked if you want to save or not, don’t bother with Control+s, just press alt+f4. If there are unsaved changes you will get the Save/Don’t Save dialog, if you haven’t changed anything the document will close.
Cheers Chris From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Grant Metcalf
Hi Arlene, Using Notepad in Win7 the control-s command saves my document. What I do not hear in NVDA is the question “do you want to save the document” and the statement “document saved.” I use Window-Eyes and it tells me what I want and like to hear! I was doing some editing earlier this evening using NVDA and found other differences on the QBraille display I use. If and when it becomes necessary to only use NVDA it will take some getting used to on my Win10 PC since it does not use Window-Eyes. There are days when Grandpa DOS wishes he could go back to DOS again! Thanks for your reply. Listening for His shout! Grant
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Re: NVDA adding and changing settings
I don't quite understand why you heard that and we don't. I just never need to hear it, not on any platform I use. I just like I said assume. You don't need to really hear it but just alt f4 or how ever you get out of the windows, control w also works and if you get that prompt you will know you did not invoke the save dialogue. If you saved and got that dialogue and you invoked the control s you will know it just saved as it should just work. Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well. to subscribe to the feed click here Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc. Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
On 7 Nov 2019, at 9:04, Grant Metcalf wrote:
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Re: NVDA adding and changing settings
Grant Metcalf
Gene,
Thank you for suggesting using the alt-f4 command to
see if the document needs to be saved. That will be of some help to Grandpa DOS.
Still wish I could hear “document saved”, however, when using the control-s
command. :_)
Listening for His shout!
Grant – A.K.A. Grandpa DOS
Email: the.gems@...
Home: (650) 589-6890
Cell: (650) 278-3084
Website: http://bartimaeus.us/
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Quick default hot key question
Sile
Hello
The NVDA Audio Chart add-on for XL is set, by default, to the hotkey 'tab plus a'. This is also the key to read to end. Is there any way to change the audio chart hot key, or do I have to change the read-to-end hot key? --Sile
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NVDA announcing new opened windows
Cordelia Scharpf
Speaking of „announcing“ an opened window in Firefox, I have the impression that it occasionally takes quite long for NVDA to “focus”. Might there be some settings – in NVDA, Firefox or both – that can influence/expedite it? As a Braille display user, I would welcome an optional progress dot to ascertain whether or when that process is complete.
Thanks.
Cordelia
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Florian Iona?cu
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2019 5:43 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [Spam] Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing new opened windows
Hello Janet, I think it would be great. La 07.11.2019 18:22, Janet Brandly a scris:
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Re: NVDA announcing new opened windows
Hello Janet, I think it would be great. La 07.11.2019 18:22, Janet Brandly a scris:
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Re: NVDA adding and changing settings
Gene
You can't ever assume anything when you issue a
command without feedback. I issue commands, now and then and, even though
I issue them correctly, I have to issue them again. But there is a way to
check very easily. Close the document or the program and see if you are
asked if you want to save the changes.
And we are discussing what happens in terms of no
feedback when you save an already saved document. We don't know if the
person is discussing that or discussing the lack of a save as dialog the first
time a document is saved.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2019 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA adding and changing
settings I never ever hear document saved, never have ever since I started learning how to use doss in 1994 or so. But yeah control s and if you hear nothing you can assume the document has ben saved. Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well. to subscribe to the feed click here Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc. Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here On 7 Nov 2019, at 3:56, Chris Mullins wrote:
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Re: NVDA announcing new opened windows
I personally just wait until the new window gains focus. A sound would be nice, but for me not necessary. Is the window not gaining focus for you? Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well. to subscribe to the feed click here Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc. Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
On 7 Nov 2019, at 8:22, Janet Brandly wrote:
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NVDA announcing new opened windows
Janet Brandly
Hello all,
Is there an NVDA setting which will have NVDA make a sound when a new window is opened? For example, it would be helpful if, when launching Firefox, NVDA would make a sound when the window is open. Right now, I wait a few seconds and alt-tab around to see if a new window has opened. Window-Eyes used to do this and it was a great feature.
Thanks,
Janet
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Re: Accessible twitter clients?
I've been using TWBlue for quite a while but before I did I used Easy Chirp,a website Twitter page which was very easy to use ... though not all actions were in obvious places! It still exists at https://www.easychirp.com/
Giles
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Re: NVDA adding and changing settings
Gene
It sounds as though NVDA isn't reading the save as
dialog when the file has never been saved before. If the file has been
saved before, there is no save as dialog. The new version of the file is
saved. If it isn't, because the control s command didn't work for some
reason, when you try to close the program, you will be asked if you want to save
the changes, so you will know if you need to save the message. but the
save as dialog should be read when it appears when you first save the
document.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2019 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA adding and changing
settings Hi I have been using screen readers for years, though not WindowEyes, and cannot remember a time when i relied on a “document saved” message appearing. When editing a document in Word or Notepad, Control+s is the shortcut to save your document without exiting from it. Using this shortcut implies that you want to save your document contents at that point. If you then use alt+f4 to close the document, it will close. If your document contains unsaved changes and you try to close it using Alt+f4, you will get a message asking if you want to save the document or not . At this point you have 3 choices: you can press the ‘Save’ button – saves the document and closes it You can press the ‘don’t Save’ button – Closes the document without saving it. ** You can press the ‘Cancel’ button – returns focus to the document which remains open.
** Word contains options to auto-save a document at timed intervals whilst editing. If this feature is active, when choosing not to save, you may get a further choice to disregard all changes or only those made since a particular auto-save point.
So, in a nutshell, if you want to be asked if you want to save or not, don’t bother with Control+s, just press alt+f4. If there are unsaved changes you will get the Save/Don’t Save dialog, if you haven’t changed anything the document will close.
Cheers Chris From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Grant Metcalf
Hi Arlene, Using Notepad in Win7 the control-s command saves my document. What I do not hear in NVDA is the question “do you want to save the document” and the statement “document saved.” I use Window-Eyes and it tells me what I want and like to hear! I was doing some editing earlier this evening using NVDA and found other differences on the QBraille display I use. If and when it becomes necessary to only use NVDA it will take some getting used to on my Win10 PC since it does not use Window-Eyes. There are days when Grandpa DOS wishes he could go back to DOS again! Thanks for your reply. Listening for His shout! Grant
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Re: NVDA adding and changing settings
I never ever hear document saved, never have ever since I started learning how to use doss in 1994 or so. But yeah control s and if you hear nothing you can assume the document has ben saved. Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well. to subscribe to the feed click here Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc. Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
On 7 Nov 2019, at 3:56, Chris Mullins wrote:
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Re: NVDA and ccleaner
Davy Cuppens
Clleaner is almost fully unaccessible; nvda or another screenreader cannot do anything about it. It is their choice not to be accessible.
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Don H Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2019 12:24 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA and ccleaner downloaded and install the latest free version of ccleaner. I selected the registry option and did a scan. It found several items but I can not get NVDA to read the list of what it found. Running Win 10 1903 and NVDA 2019.2.1 Thanks
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Re: NVDA adding and changing settings
Chris Mullins
Hi I have been using screen readers for years, though not WindowEyes, and cannot remember a time when i relied on a “document saved” message appearing. When editing a document in Word or Notepad, Control+s is the shortcut to save your document without exiting from it. Using this shortcut implies that you want to save your document contents at that point. If you then use alt+f4 to close the document, it will close. If your document contains unsaved changes and you try to close it using Alt+f4, you will get a message asking if you want to save the document or not . At this point you have 3 choices: you can press the ‘Save’ button – saves the document and closes it You can press the ‘don’t Save’ button – Closes the document without saving it. ** You can press the ‘Cancel’ button – returns focus to the document which remains open.
** Word contains options to auto-save a document at timed intervals whilst editing. If this feature is active, when choosing not to save, you may get a further choice to disregard all changes or only those made since a particular auto-save point.
So, in a nutshell, if you want to be asked if you want to save or not, don’t bother with Control+s, just press alt+f4. If there are unsaved changes you will get the Save/Don’t Save dialog, if you haven’t changed anything the document will close.
Cheers Chris
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Grant Metcalf
Sent: 7 November 2019 07:06 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA adding and changing settings
Hi Arlene, Using Notepad in Win7 the control-s command saves my document. What I do not hear in NVDA is the question “do you want to save the document” and the statement “document saved.” I use Window-Eyes and it tells me what I want and like to hear! I was doing some editing earlier this evening using NVDA and found other differences on the QBraille display I use. If and when it becomes necessary to only use NVDA it will take some getting used to on my Win10 PC since it does not use Window-Eyes. There are days when Grandpa DOS wishes he could go back to DOS again! Thanks for your reply. Listening for His shout! Grant
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Re: Urgent help needed NVDA was not able to loa Microsoft SAPI 5
Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@...>
Hi,
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The error message is Synthesizer error Could not load the sapi5 synthesizer. I have tried: 1. restore NVDA default setting 2. reinstall some SAPI 5tts And they failed. Quentin Christensen 於 7/11/2019 15:27
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Re: NVDA and ccleaner
Brian Tew
Try narrator.
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Re: Urgent help needed NVDA was not able to loa Microsoft SAPI 5
Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@...>
Well, it is strange that everything work as usual before I turn off my PC last night.
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But the problem happen immediately after I turn on my Windows this morning. zahra 於 7/11/2019 14:22 寫道:
hi,
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