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Re: Golden Cursor question

Sarah k Alawami
 

I have it set up like that on mac. Where ever my pc curser is my mouse curser follows etc. Where ever my mouse curser is my pc curser follows. I love it and clicking is way easier when I have to. Hmm. If I could code I'd make an add on for that.

On 28 Feb 2019, at 8:11, Gene wrote:

I haven't checked.  I'm not sure whether it is a good idea.  others may have comments.  Sometimes just moving the mouse may cause things to occur that you may not want.  But I haven't experimented with this enough to know if it would cause inconveniences or problems often enough to worry about. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message
From: Kenny
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

So basically you use the Review cursor to navigate the screen. Then when you land on a spot which you want to click, you route the mouse pointer to that review cursor position [NVDA]+[Slash] and then hit [Slash] to left mouse click on it?


Is there an      option that will automatically tether the mouse pointer to the review cursor, so I only need press [Slash] to click on an element, without having to route to it first?


On 2/18/2019 12:00 PM, Gene wrote:
In the following response, I shall give desktop layout commands.  I don't use the laptop layout and don't know those commands for what we are discussing.
 
There aren't specifically mouse movement keys such as in JAWS.  Read the review section of the manual or the relevant parts.  5.5 is a relevant section.  I'm not sure if there are any others.  You will see such commands as num[pad 9, move to next line, numpad 8, read current line, numpad 7 move to and read previous line.  These are review keys and don't affect the application, they review the screen.  I'm talking about what they do in screen review mode.  They have similar functions when in object navigation but they apply to the object that has focus.
 
To move the mouse to the review position, use the command numpad insert numpad slash.  To left click the mouse, use numpad slash. To right click, use numpad Times, which I believe is also the asterisk.  It's immediately to the right of numpad slash.  
 
If you can't find how to do something in NVDA, it is not good methodology or procedure to assume that it can't be done.  Asking here may provide information about how to do it or of an add-on that does.
 
Gene  
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

Hello Jean,

 

So what are the mouse movement keys via the keyboard then?  I’m sorry I can’t find them.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

You can move the mouse with the keyboard now.  You can't move it as precisely.  I don't have an opinion about whether the Golden Cursor features should be incorporated into the source code.  But your implication that the mouse can't be moved without the Golden Cursor is not correct.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:27 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yes you can. I have about 200 thousand messages on gmail's server and it doesn't really complain at me. You can also clean them up using iMap as well. I use iMap and wish that pop 3 would just go away and die. All the email and attachments are backed up in the cloud and no matter what device as stated you are on you can always get your mail. I lost over 3 years worth of messages once so am not going back to pop3.

On 28 Feb 2019, at 7:49, Gene wrote:

I don't use IMAP so others can answer the question.  But I'm sure you can delete messages if you wish.  As I understand it, you can keep a large number on the server if you wish. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

Em 28/02/2019 12:34, Gene escreveu:
unless you want a permanent collection of all your received messages off site. 
Does it means that using IMAP I won't be able to delete any message?

Cheers,

Re: POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

 

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 10:08 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Nothing, pop is no less or more secure than imap
No one has brought up security except you.  I make no claims about the relative security merits, but have already outlined, in great detail, the drawbacks of POP for the way most people wish to access email these days and for the fact that once you've downloaded a message, and it's been removed from the server, you have the one and only copy and it's in the mail store of the client you've chosen to use.

POP is an anachronism, period.
 
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Re: POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

 

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 09:35 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
What is unwise about using POP these days?
1. If you only access your e-mail from one, and only one, device, and wish to be responsible for backing up all the messages that exist only on your device after download, and you wish to be responsible for trying to port a huge number of messages from one e-mail client to another should you choose to change clients then there is nothing unwise about POP.

2.  If you're like most users these days, and you have every intention of accessing your e-mail messages on multiple devices while having what each "sees" remain in sync, then POP as conventionally configured does a horrible job of supporting that while IMAP is designed to support that from the get-go.

3. IMAP messages and all folders associated with same are retained on the e-mail server and, as a result, are part of the data center's daily (if not more frequent) backup protocol.  The probability of ever losing something permanently is exceedingly small.  By contrast, I have seen POP users lose years worth of downloaded messages on several occasions when they were not backing up their own computers and their hard drives failed catastrophically.

The fact of the matter is that POP (Post Office Protocol) was the first e-mail protocol and really is an anachronism that remains supported in the name of backward compatibility.   It's shortcomings are myriad, and particularly when you want e-mail synchronization and portability from device to device to device over time to be almost effortless (you only have to set up the account again if you're using IMAP and - poof, like magic - all of your messages and folders appear).

IMAP is also more space efficient on your own device, because only message headers are downloaded for presentation in the message list in folders, with the exception of the most recent messages, which will often have message bodies downloaded in advance as well for some time period back from today (say, 2 weeks - it's configurable) because the probability of actual accessing of newer messages is far, far higher than old ones.   You can also specify specific messages to retain their local message bodies permanently if you know you make very frequent reference to them so they'll be available even if you're offline.

For the way most people use e-mail these days, including the bulk of folks here, as many describe having computer(s) and smartphone(s) on which they wish to get their e-mail, using the access method suited to it, and that protects the actual message data the best, is what's wisest.  If your e-mail service provides IMAP access, well . . .

If you fit the profile I noted in #1 above then nothing that follows it is relevant to you.  I find it improbable that everything in #1 above applies to practically anyone these days.

[And, before anyone jumps in with, "But you can configure POP to leave messages on the server!," well, yes, you can, but you have to make the effort to do that in the vast majority of cases, and many would have absolutely no idea of how to do so.  Why use an antiquated protocol that must be rigged when a better alternative exists?]
 
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Re: Problem with windows10 OCR and NVDA

Kenny
 

Would be cool if Microsoft would add the ability to send an entire Image/file/PDF to the Windows OCR module in a single step. Believe JAWS already has a feature like that with its OCR facility. This way the entire file could be easily read after the OCR has been processed.


On 2/25/2019 9:01 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hi. In my experience it only recognizes a single screen. I needed to use it to read a chapter of my textbook and it only recognized a few sentences. It also only recognized one slide at a time when I needed to use it to access a powerpoint.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 8:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with windows10 OCR and NVDA

 

Good question, I would ask the same.

Em 25/02/2019 10:44, Gene escreveu:

does that mean that the NVDA OCR feature only can recognize a single screen or can it recognize an entire document?  I haven't played with this to any extent.  In Notepad. if you open a document, it is all one single object and can all be read with the screen review keys so you aren't limited to one screen when in object review.  What about a document you use the OCR feature on? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 7:13 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with windows10 OCR and NVDA

 

It seems the keys to perform such a command using the laptop layout are NVDA+Shift+up arrow.
I found it by going to the keystrokes reference.

By the way, Rui, thanks for the clarification :)
I'll play with it taking this advice into account and see what I can get.

Em 25/02/2019 09:50, Nevzat Adil escreveu:

"If you want to perform the OCR to  all the window, you will need to
move the navegation object to the window itself, pressing
NVDA+NumPad8..."
 
How does this apply if using a laptop instead of desktop?
 
On 2/25/19, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
Hello!
 
Please, remember one thing...
 
When you perform the OCR, using NVDA in Windows 10, pressing NVDA+R, the
OCR is applied only to the object focused by NVDA...
 
By instance, if you are in a dialog type, "save as" and focused in the
Save button, the OCR result will be only "Save", the text of the focused
object, the Save button.
If you want to perform the OCR to  all the window, you will need to move
the navegation object to the window itself, pressing NVDA+NumPad8...
 
Regards,
 
Rui Fontes
 
 
Às 11:54 de 25/02/2019, marcio via Groups.Io escreveu:
Just adding
While with this message opened I tried to OCR just for fun, seeing what
I would get.
What a surprise, the OCR worked just like a charm.
Weird!
 
Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 25/02/2019 08:48, marcio via Groups.Io escreveu:
Very same here!
And I'm also using the latest NVDA Alpha with Win 10 1803.
Well I'm not using the latest at all because I need to update to the
very latest so to speak which showed up just now. I'll do it sometime
later, I guess.
However, the message I get is absolutely the same and no, I don't
think just updating to the latest Alpha will fix it since aparently
the folks on the NVDA dev side weren't aware of it.
Let's wait...
 
Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 25/02/2019 08:31, Mallard escreveu:
Yes, here too. Something must be broken, because I've opened a pdf
that is perfectly visible with any pdf reading apps, including Edge.
 
I tried opening with Sumatra pdf, which only shows the image and not
the text. Usually, when I do that, I can view the page with Inw10
OCR. Now it keeps saying
 
 
"Content not visible" (contenuto non visibile in Italian).
 
 
No idea what could have happened.
 
I'm using the latest Alpha of NVDA and Windows 10 1803.
 
 
Ciao,
 
Ollie
 
 
 
 
Il 25/02/2019 11:57, marcio via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Same here. I don't have Jaws to test with, though, so don't know if
it would be different.
Anyone to help us? :)
 
Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 25/02/2019 06:15, Aravind R escreveu:
Dear friends,
 
I am trying to do OCR with pdf using NVDA+r in windows10.
Wherever i try, it is saying "Recognising result document" but
nothing
is displayed and its working well with jaws's built-in ocr.
Kindly guide where changes to be made to make work with windows10 OCR
 

 

 

Re: Facebook, comments and suggestions

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Yes, pressing enter sends the message.  As far as mentioning folks in a comment, just type their name, no issues occur that way, and the person is flagged.  I've never bothered with the facebook pulldowns to select a person, I just type their name in full, and it always tags them in the message.  Simple solution.  Of course, if you don't know the name you're trying to tag, that could be problematic, but that's a different issue.

Re: Golden Cursor question

Gene
 

I haven't checked.  I'm not sure whether it is a good idea.  others may have comments.  Sometimes just moving the mouse may cause things to occur that you may not want.  But I haven't experimented with this enough to know if it would cause inconveniences or problems often enough to worry about. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message

From: Kenny
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

So basically you use the Review cursor to navigate the screen. Then when you land on a spot which you want to click, you route the mouse pointer to that review cursor position [NVDA]+[Slash] and then hit [Slash] to left mouse click on it?


Is there an      option that will automatically tether the mouse pointer to the review cursor, so I only need press [Slash] to click on an element, without having to route to it first?


On 2/18/2019 12:00 PM, Gene wrote:
In the following response, I shall give desktop layout commands.  I don't use the laptop layout and don't know those commands for what we are discussing.
 
There aren't specifically mouse movement keys such as in JAWS.  Read the review section of the manual or the relevant parts.  5.5 is a relevant section.  I'm not sure if there are any others.  You will see such commands as num[pad 9, move to next line, numpad 8, read current line, numpad 7 move to and read previous line.  These are review keys and don't affect the application, they review the screen.  I'm talking about what they do in screen review mode.  They have similar functions when in object navigation but they apply to the object that has focus.
 
To move the mouse to the review position, use the command numpad insert numpad slash.  To left click the mouse, use numpad slash. To right click, use numpad Times, which I believe is also the asterisk.  It's immediately to the right of numpad slash.  
 
If you can't find how to do something in NVDA, it is not good methodology or procedure to assume that it can't be done.  Asking here may provide information about how to do it or of an add-on that does.
 
Gene  
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

Hello Jean,

 

So what are the mouse movement keys via the keyboard then?  I’m sorry I can’t find them.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

You can move the mouse with the keyboard now.  You can't move it as precisely.  I don't have an opinion about whether the Golden Cursor features should be incorporated into the source code.  But your implication that the mouse can't be moved without the Golden Cursor is not correct.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:27 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: Golden Cursor question

Kenny
 

So basically you use the Review cursor to navigate the screen. Then when you land on a spot which you want to click, you route the mouse pointer to that review cursor position [NVDA]+[Slash] and then hit [Slash] to left mouse click on it?


Is there an      option that will automatically tether the mouse pointer to the review cursor, so I only need press [Slash] to click on an element, without having to route to it first?


On 2/18/2019 12:00 PM, Gene wrote:
In the following response, I shall give desktop layout commands.  I don't use the laptop layout and don't know those commands for what we are discussing.
 
There aren't specifically mouse movement keys such as in JAWS.  Read the review section of the manual or the relevant parts.  5.5 is a relevant section.  I'm not sure if there are any others.  You will see such commands as num[pad 9, move to next line, numpad 8, read current line, numpad 7 move to and read previous line.  These are review keys and don't affect the application, they review the screen.  I'm talking about what they do in screen review mode.  They have similar functions when in object navigation but they apply to the object that has focus.
 
To move the mouse to the review position, use the command numpad insert numpad slash.  To left click the mouse, use numpad slash. To right click, use numpad Times, which I believe is also the asterisk.  It's immediately to the right of numpad slash.  
 
If you can't find how to do something in NVDA, it is not good methodology or procedure to assume that it can't be done.  Asking here may provide information about how to do it or of an add-on that does.
 
Gene  
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

Hello Jean,

 

So what are the mouse movement keys via the keyboard then?  I’m sorry I can’t find them.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

You can move the mouse with the keyboard now.  You can't move it as precisely.  I don't have an opinion about whether the Golden Cursor features should be incorporated into the source code.  But your implication that the mouse can't be moved without the Golden Cursor is not correct.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:27 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

Gene
 

I don't use IMAP so others can answer the question.  But I'm sure you can delete messages if you wish.  As I understand it, you can keep a large number on the server if you wish. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

Em 28/02/2019 12:34, Gene escreveu:
unless you want a permanent collection of all your received messages off site. 
Does it means that using IMAP I won't be able to delete any message?

Cheers,

Re: POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

 

Em 28/02/2019 12:34, Gene escreveu:
unless you want a permanent collection of all your received messages off site. 
Does it means that using IMAP I won't be able to delete any message?

Cheers,

Re: POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

Gene
 

If you are using more than one device to work with e-mail, Pop isn't a good system, at least in a lot of cases.  If you have a crashing problem with your e-mail program, crashes may corrupt messages you download with a POP3 account.  But if your e-mail program is reliable and you are using only one device for mail, I don't see any meaningful advantage to IMAP unless you want a permanent collection of all your received messages off site.  I would imagine your sent messages are permanently kept as well.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

What is unwise about using POP these days?

Antony.

On Thursday 28 February 2019 at 15:22:08, Brian Vogel wrote:

> Using POP in this day and age is unwise (though that is a separate issue of
> its own).
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Re: POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

Richard Wells
 

What I like about imap is that if you use more than one machine to retrieve messages, you can look at your folder structure from anywhere you are logged into your Email. My personal combination is NVDA and Thunderbird using imap on all accounts.

On 2/28/2019 9:08 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Nothing, pop is no less or more secure than imap, in fact, many would say pop is more secure than imap, since your messages only everlive in one place at a time, and are under your ocmplete control.  Of course, if you want to talk about security issues, then straight pop3 message retrieval certainly isn't secure, but many mail servers setup separate ports with ssl protection for retrieving pop email, and in that case, it's just as secure as any other method of retrieving email, there's nothing inherently wrong with how you retireve your email, whether it's pop3 or imap, it's all about what you need, and what's most convenient.

On 2/28/2019 9:35 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
What is unwise about using POP these days?

Antony.

On Thursday 28 February 2019 at 15:22:08, Brian Vogel wrote:

Using POP in this day and age is unwise (though that is a separate issue of
its own).
--

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Re: POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Nothing, pop is no less or more secure than imap, in fact, many would say pop is more secure than imap, since your messages only everlive in one place at a time, and are under your ocmplete control.  Of course, if you want to talk about security issues, then straight pop3 message retrieval certainly isn't secure, but many mail servers setup separate ports with ssl protection for retrieving pop email, and in that case, it's just as secure as any other method of retrieving email, there's nothing inherently wrong with how you retireve your email, whether it's pop3 or imap, it's all about what you need, and what's most convenient.

On 2/28/2019 9:35 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
What is unwise about using POP these days?

Antony.

On Thursday 28 February 2019 at 15:22:08, Brian Vogel wrote:

Using POP in this day and age is unwise (though that is a separate issue of
its own).
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Re: POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

 

I'd also like to know.
Also, if is there a way of resetting my Thunderbird profile to use IMAP instead of POP3 but not losing messages I saved on the old profile, someone could please tell me how I can accomplish this?

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 28/02/2019 11:35, Antony Stone escreveu:

What is unwise about using POP these days?

Antony.

On Thursday 28 February 2019 at 15:22:08, Brian Vogel wrote:

Using POP in this day and age is unwise (though that is a separate issue of
its own). 
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Brian

    

Re: POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

Antony Stone
 

What is unwise about using POP these days?

Antony.

On Thursday 28 February 2019 at 15:22:08, Brian Vogel wrote:

Using POP in this day and age is unwise (though that is a separate issue of
its own).
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Re: Staying in Forms for Checkboxes

Steve Nutt
 

Brian,

 

Dropdowns of any kind are never announced as dropdowns.

 

Combos are announced as Combo and Combo Edits are announced as Combo Edit.  Dropdown is not a screen reader term thus far on any screen reader I have ever used.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 27 February 2019 16:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Staying in Forms for Checkboxes

 

It's also important here to make a distinction, and it's not a trivial one, between a combo box and a dropdown box.

A dropdown box allows you to make a selection from the dropdown list - that's it.  You may, in some implementations, get away with using the first letter of a choice to get to it quickly, but that's the equivalent of arrowing down to it.  You can't change it in any way, only select it.

A true combo box, hence its name, is a merger of an edit box and a dropdown list.  You can type in a combo box and it will accept the input.  Some do edit checks afterward to ensure that what's there matches one of the items in the dropdown list (most common), while others intentionally don't, so that the end user can essentially give an input that is not one of those things.

I've actually never paid close attention to whether dropdowns and combos are announced differently, but I have to believe they are since their behaviors are, while related, distinctly different.

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Re: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice

 

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 03:45 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Oh if only one could actually do that.. The real world is not that simple, sadly. See my long post.
One can actually do that in a great many cases, thus it is important that when one can, one does.   The real world is never simple.   Using POP in this day and age is unwise (though that is a separate issue of its own).
 
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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

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Re: virtualbox gui

mattias
 

i like the gui better

Den 2019-02-27 kl. 18:30, skrev Didier Colle:

Hi,

Not really an answer to your question, but is there any reason why you
need the GUI?
I am happy to use the vboxmanage command (simple purely text based
command with all possible flexibility I ever needed so far...) in a
cygwin shell window...

Kind regards,

Didier

mattias writes:

how can jaws read the virtualbox gui without issues

jaws 2018

but nvda cant realy do that yet


Re: Facebook, comments and suggestions

molly the blind tech lover
 

Thanks so much Marcio

This is really helpful, as I find using facebook with my Android to be slow and cumbersome 😉

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 8:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Facebook, comments and suggestions

 

Molly,
Three things:
1. Using Messenger, you need to type your message, quit the typing mode of NVDA (which I never remember the right name, guess it's focus mode) then search for the send button arrowing down from where you are.

2. Another way, (simpler and quicker) to send a message is just hit enter right after writing your message.
I'm not sure if it works but I have a feeling it does.
If it works, remember then that if you're wanting to write something with more than one line, pressing enter to jump to a new line will actually send your message. In this case, use shift+enter to create a new one.

3. Last but not least, you have what I use most of the time.
You could simply use the Messages' section from http://m.facebook.com, it has a very intuitive interface.
The only downside is you'll need to refresh the page from time to time to see new messages, as it doesn't refresh on its own.


Hopefully at least one single thing I've said here will be useful for you 😍

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 28/02/2019 00:01, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

Hi.

I have problems with facebook but with the messenging thing. It won’t tell you if the message was sent and I can’t find the send button.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 7:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Facebook, comments and suggestions

 

Hi all,
Does anyone here uses Facebook and is having problems when trying to mention someone on a comment?
I did notice it just now and tried everything that I could think of to see if I could fix it and nothing worked at all.
When commenting, NVDA won't read the suggestions when writing parts of a name, as it used to do before.
For what it matters, using Firefox.

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Marcio
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Re: Facebook, comments and suggestions

 

Molly,
Three things:
1. Using Messenger, you need to type your message, quit the typing mode of NVDA (which I never remember the right name, guess it's focus mode) then search for the send button arrowing down from where you are.

2. Another way, (simpler and quicker) to send a message is just hit enter right after writing your message.
I'm not sure if it works but I have a feeling it does.
If it works, remember then that if you're wanting to write something with more than one line, pressing enter to jump to a new line will actually send your message. In this case, use shift+enter to create a new one.

3. Last but not least, you have what I use most of the time.
You could simply use the Messages' section from http://m.facebook.com, it has a very intuitive interface.
The only downside is you'll need to refresh the page from time to time to see new messages, as it doesn't refresh on its own.

Hopefully at least one single thing I've said here will be useful for you 😍

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 28/02/2019 00:01, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

Hi.

I have problems with facebook but with the messenging thing. It won’t tell you if the message was sent and I can’t find the send button.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 7:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Facebook, comments and suggestions

 

Hi all,
Does anyone here uses Facebook and is having problems when trying to mention someone on a comment?
I did notice it just now and tried everything that I could think of to see if I could fix it and nothing worked at all.
When commenting, NVDA won't read the suggestions when writing parts of a name, as it used to do before.
For what it matters, using Firefox.

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Cheers,
Marcio
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