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Re: Can't run NVDA with admin rights on a MS Surface

 

Luke,

           Thanks.  Can't argue with experience, that's for sure!

            I never use a standard account for myself.   For those (and I'm not saying you're one of them - people make choices for their own reasons) who are inclined to get infected repeatedly even after having been taught about safe practices for interacting with cyberspace I always recommend using a standard account.   I haven't had an infection in at least 25 years and so often need to install, uninstall, or otherwise tweak my system in a way that requires admin rights that I don't want to constantly have to either switch users or provide passwords to elevate stuff.

More data is going to be needed to get to a root cause and solution on this specific issue.
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Re: Please help (Excel with NVDA)

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

Have you  merged the cells a1-a12 and a13-a20? 

If so, de-merge  them, put the cursor in a13 and press the applications key, arrow down the displayed context menu to “Insert and press enter.  Arrow to “Entire row and press enter.  This will put a blank 13th row and group 2 will start at row 14. 

Select cells a14-A21 and merge them to form the Group 2 roll heading.

Go to row 13 and type in ID, name etc for the new member and in columns where there is a formula, copy it from the equivalent cell in the row above and paste it into row 13.  Provided the formulas have relative references, Excel will automatically change them.  If you have any absolute references, copy the formula anyway then manually edit to change them if necessary.

Finally re-merge a1-A13 to form the Group 1 roll.

 

Cheers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of prem.translator@...
Sent: 29 August 2019 06:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Please help (Excel with NVDA)

 

What should I do with the following situation? (Excel 2013 with NVDA)

- It is an attendance record created with Excell. 

- Group 1 is from A1-A12, and Group 2 is from A13-A20. There is a function (name, ID, Department, date (1-31 with P stands for Present), and total sum at the end of each roll).

- Then there is a new member joined group 1. 

- The question is: 

How to add a new member to Group 1 that will be A13 and use the same function as the previous roll with belong to the group and move Group2 to start from the next roll instead? 

 

Please help me, I'm really new to excel. 

 

Thank you.


Re: Please help (Excel with NVDA)

Luke Davis
 

On Wed, 28 Aug 2019, prem.translator@... wrote:

- group 1 is A4-A12 (the header name of multiple rows, and B4-B12 will be the column to insert ID of participants. 
In your original message, you said:

There is a function (name, ID, Department, date (1-31 with P stands for Present), and total sum at the end of each roll).
So as I understand it, here is an example set of rows, with column IDs above them:
A, B, C, D, E
4: Bob Smith, 72, Science, P, some_kind_of_sum_formula
5: Alice Smith, 84, Science, P, some_kind_of_sum_formula

(I'm not trying to format that tabularly as it won't survive transmission: count the commas if you want it to line up. Also, the 4: and 5: are row numbers.)

In that, "Bob Smith" is in A4, and "some_kind_of_sum_formula" is in E4.

If I understand that correctly, than the methods I gave you should work.
And, since if you mess up all you have to do is exit without saving, or use control+z to un do, you have nothing to lose by trying one of them.

(Note: I understand that the 1-31 date is probably a range of 31 columns with a P in them or not (I.E. it's probably D through AH). I have shortened that to just column D for purposes of this email.)

- I'd like to add one more participant to the group1, which will be at B13, which is now the first column of Group2. 
That contradicts your statement in the earlier email, in which you said that Group 2 started at A13. Now you say it starts at B13, which means it's offset to the right by one column, which seems strange.
So the names in Group 2, are in the same column with the IDs in Group 1, as i understand your layout after this email.

Regardless of that oddity, the methods I suggested should still work.

- I'd like NVDA to say "group 1 A4 through A13" instead of "A4 through A12". 
You can mark the heading for the Group 1 column as a column heading. However you can not have two column headings in the same column, so you will not be able to get it to say "Group 2" when you move to A13 from A12 (Group 1). You can get it to say "Group 2" in column B, but since the IDs for Group 1 are in column B, while the names for Group 2 are in column B according to the above, the IDs for Group 1 will be spoken under the heading of "Group 2" in that case.

This is kind of bad sheet design. The groups should have been done in separate worksheets in the same workbook, or possibly in two separate table objects, although I'm not skilled with that method.
There may be other solutions, but somebody else will have to point them out.

Luke


Re: Please help (Excel with NVDA)

prem.translator@...
 

Thank you for your reply, 
However, let me clarify my situation. 
- group 1 is A4-A12 (the header name of multiple rows, and B4-B12 will be the column to insert ID of participants. 
- I'd like to add one more participant to the group1, which will be at B13, which is now the first column of Group2. 
- I'd like NVDA to say "group 1 A4 through A13" instead of "A4 through A12". 
 
Thank you. 
 


Re: Please help (Excel with NVDA)

Luke Davis
 

There are two methods I can think of:

First, according to this website [1], while I have not tried it, Excel knows that there are consecutive formulas in your sheet. So, if you insert new rows (the word is rows, not rolls) in a range with formulae, for example by inserting new rows between A11 and A12, Excel should replicate the formula for you.

Assuming that doesn't work for you, there is another way you can try: copying and updating.

1. Move to A12.
2. Press shift+right arrow, then shift+end, to select the row.
3. Press control+c to copy it.
4. Press home to get back to A12 and cancel the selection.
5. Press control+shift+= (or use the context menu to go to "insert copy"). That will bring up a dialog box.
6. Use the down arrow to go to "move cells down", then press enter.

If you want more than one new row, repeat steps five and six as many times as you need new rows.
Then, moving down from A12 to A13, you should find copy(ies) of A12. Edit it(them) as you see fit.

There may be formulas that do not like this style of copying, it really depends on your sheet, and what options you have selected. The website mentions that, too.

[1]: https://bettersolutions.com/excel/formulas/automatic-expansion.htm

Luke

On Wed, 28 Aug 2019, prem.translator@... wrote:

What should I do with the following situation? (Excel 2013 with NVDA)
- It is an attendance record created with Excell. 
- Group 1 is from A1-A12, and Group 2 is from A13-A20. There is a function (name, ID, Department, date (1-31 with P stands for Present), and total sum at
the end of each roll).
- Then there is a new member joined group 1. 
- The question is: 
How to add a new member to Group 1 that will be A13 and use the same function as the previous roll with belong to the group and move Group2 to start from
the next roll instead? 
 
Please help me, I'm really new to excel.


Re: Can't run NVDA with admin rights on a MS Surface

Luke Davis
 

Brian

Because it is generally better from a computer security prospective, I use a non-administrative (I.E. standard) account as my usual every day account. NVDA has no trouble starting or running on these accounts, any version, any type (portable, temporary, installed).

There are problems elevating to run certain installers (the Nullsoft installer, for example, if you elevate it to run, several aspects don't work right, though you can still get the job done usually if you just accept all the defaults). You also can't use an administrative command prompt. Other than that, everything works fine, and most things where you have to enter an admin password to elevate also work fine, except as noted.

Luke

On Wed, 28 Aug 2019, Brian Vogel wrote:

would).Since I use nothing but accounts with admin privileges on this machine I can't check here.  But if I think of it I'll log in to my test account that
is a standard account on my other machine when I get the chance and see if NVDA refuses to start, or suddenly closes, if that account tries to start it. --
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Please help (Excel with NVDA)

prem.translator@...
 

What should I do with the following situation? (Excel 2013 with NVDA)
- It is an attendance record created with Excell. 
- Group 1 is from A1-A12, and Group 2 is from A13-A20. There is a function (name, ID, Department, date (1-31 with P stands for Present), and total sum at the end of each roll).
- Then there is a new member joined group 1. 
- The question is: 
How to add a new member to Group 1 that will be A13 and use the same function as the previous roll with belong to the group and move Group2 to start from the next roll instead? 
 
Please help me, I'm really new to excel. 
 
Thank you.


Re: Can't run NVDA with admin rights on a MS Surface

 

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 08:01 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
You do need admin access to install any software, but once it is installed you should be able to run it on a user account without admin priveledges
Quentin, although your point is true in the vast majority of cases, it does matter what the program itself is actually trying to do.  There are programs where its very actions require admin permissions, and if it's installed and a user with a standard account tries to start it, it will be blocked.

I doubt that NVDA requires admin privileges to do what it does, but I don't know exactly what it seeks to do under the hood (you'd know that far better than I would).

Since I use nothing but accounts with admin privileges on this machine I can't check here.  But if I think of it I'll log in to my test account that is a standard account on my other machine when I get the chance and see if NVDA refuses to start, or suddenly closes, if that account tries to start it.
 
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locked Re: Help With Jarte Key Commands Off List?

 

First, to Mr. Russell, my sincere thanks for asking that this assistance be provided off-list.

Second, this sort of query is precisely what the NVDA Chat Subgroup is intended for.  Part of the subgroup description reads, "Many topics have a technical focus on configuring or controlling specific programs where how to use them, not using NVDA itself, is the primary focus."  This has been the majority of the traffic so far.  Here are the Chat Subgroup addresses:


Third, prior to locking this thread I am going to supply two pertinent web pages, both of which were the first two returned in a web search on "Jarte keyboard shortcuts":

Keyboard Shortcuts - Jarte

Custom Keyboard Shortcuts - Jarte

If extended discussion regarding Jarte is needed, please join the Chat Subgroup and have at it!

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locked Re: Help With Jarte Key Commands Off List?

David Griffith
 

Jarte reports in its menus that

Increase Indent Shift+Ctrl+I
Decrease Indent Shift+Ctrl+D

 

Don’t  know about shortcuts  in relation to your other queries but

Alt ollowed by O then   F opens the Font menu ready to change font.

Also  

Alt followed by o, then P and finally L gets you to the line spacing formatting  dialogue, I think Pressing 1 or 2 or other  value also appears to work  as shortcuts here.

David Griffith

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From: david
Sent: 28 August 2019 22:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help With Jarte Key Commands Off List?

 

Haven't used Jarte for a long time, can't you press alt+o=options, f=format?

 

 

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-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Russell

Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 9:16 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Help With Jarte Key Commands Off List?

 

Hello members,

 

If you use the Jarte Word Processing program with NVDA, and know of an

existing list for keyboard commands to indent first line, fonts, and

set line spacing,

would you please email me the reference off group?

The info at the Jarte website seems to appeal to mouse users.

 

My email address is under my name; thanks!

 

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Re: Can't run NVDA with admin rights on a MS Surface

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi James,

You can't run NVDA, or can't install NVDA?  You do need admin access to install any software, but once it is installed you should be able to run it on a user account without admin priveledges

If you can't get admin access to install software, you can setup a portable copy of NVDA.  This works in much the same way as an installed version, with a couple of limitations.  For all the limitations, see https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#PortableAndTemporaryCopyRestrictions

When you run the NVDA setup file that you can download from https://www.nvaccess.org/download it presents a window with the license agreement.  Check the checkbox to agree to that, then there are three options - install NVDA, create portable copy, or continue running.

You can create a portable copy in a folder on your computer, or a memory stick.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 7:59 AM <james.luxton@...> wrote:
I can't run NVDA software on a Microsoft Surface if the user does not have Admin permissions.  I have tried giving the user admin access to the C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA folder.  Any advice is very much appreciated.



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locked Re: Help With Jarte Key Commands Off List?

david
 

Haven't used Jarte for a long time, can't you press alt+o=options, f=format?


The impossible is the untried, Never under estimate the power of a dream.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Russell
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 9:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Help With Jarte Key Commands Off List?

Hello members,

If you use the Jarte Word Processing program with NVDA, and know of an
existing list for keyboard commands to indent first line, fonts, and
set line spacing,
would you please email me the reference off group?
The info at the Jarte website seems to appeal to mouse users.

My email address is under my name; thanks!

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...


Can't run NVDA with admin rights on a MS Surface

james.luxton@...
 

I can't run NVDA software on a Microsoft Surface if the user does not have Admin permissions.  I have tried giving the user admin access to the C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA folder.  Any advice is very much appreciated.


locked Help With Jarte Key Commands Off List?

David Russell
 

Hello members,

If you use the Jarte Word Processing program with NVDA, and know of an
existing list for keyboard commands to indent first line, fonts, and
set line spacing,
would you please email me the reference off group?
The info at the Jarte website seems to appeal to mouse users.

My email address is under my name; thanks!

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...


Re: strange issue with youtube

Felix G.
 

Hi!
Chrome tends to try to be smart about more and more things, URL
sanitization probably being one of them. In other words, it's trying
not to intimidate you with a long cryptic letter sausage. If you go to
the address bar, however, you'll see it in full glory for copying.
Best,
Felix

Am Mi., 28. Aug. 2019 um 04:15 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:


You should be able to move to the address bar and just copy. the address is already selected so moving and selecting shouldn't be necessary. It will save a little work. So alt d then control c.

But in the question that was posed, that won't work because you are still on the results page. If you followed the link and started the video playing, you could then copy the address from the address bar. I've never checked this but if an add is playing and you copy the address, I would expect it to be the same address. But test to be sure one time. Copy the address, then paste it into the address bar and press enter. After the ads play, does the correct video play?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Aravind R
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 8:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange issue with youtube

use alt+d, then control+home or just home. press control+shift+end to
copy the entire url and paste anywhere. this is what i'm using based
on experience. whether NVDA reads the full URL from address vbbar or
not, it will surely serve our purpose of sharing with others.

On 8/28/19, Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@...> wrote:
I think it is an NVDA issue.
On Aug 27, 2019, at 3:13 PM, ken lawrence via Groups.Io
<kenlawrence124=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi list ken here have just today noticed something. While doing web
searches for music on youtube I have noticed that the URL is partly cut
off. It reads youtube dot com/watch and that’s it. There must be a three
dot ilipsis there but never saw that before. It always read the complete
URL. Is this an NVDA issue or a browser issue or perhaps a google issue?
Am using chrome as my default.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10




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Re: strange issue with youtube

Gene
 

You should be able to move to the address bar and just copy.  the address is already selected so moving and selecting shouldn't be necessary.  It will save a little work.  So alt d then control c.
 
But in the question that was posed, that won't work because you are still on the results page.  If you followed the link and started the video playing, you could then copy the address from the address bar.  I've never checked this but if an add is playing and you copy the address, I would expect it to be the same address.  But test to be sure one time.  Copy the address, then paste it into the address bar and press enter.  After the ads play, does the correct video play?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Aravind R
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange issue with youtube

use alt+d, then control+home or just home. press control+shift+end to
copy the entire url and paste anywhere. this is what i'm using based
on experience. whether NVDA reads the full URL from address vbbar or
not, it will surely serve our purpose of sharing with others.

On 8/28/19, Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@...> wrote:
> I think it is an NVDA issue.
>> On Aug 27, 2019, at 3:13 PM, ken lawrence via Groups.Io
>> <kenlawrence124@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi list ken here have just today noticed something.  While doing web
>> searches for music on youtube I have noticed that the URL is partly cut
>> off. It reads youtube dot com/watch and that’s it.  There must be a three
>> dot ilipsis there but never saw that before.  It always read the complete
>> URL. Is this an NVDA issue or a browser issue or perhaps a google issue?
>> Am using chrome as my default.
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


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nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so.

r. aravind,

Assistant manager
Department of sales
bank of baroda specialised mortgage store, Chennai.
mobile no: +91 9940369593,
email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@....
aravind.rajendran@....



Re: strange issue with youtube

Aravind R
 

use alt+d, then control+home or just home. press control+shift+end to
copy the entire url and paste anywhere. this is what i'm using based
on experience. whether NVDA reads the full URL from address vbbar or
not, it will surely serve our purpose of sharing with others.

On 8/28/19, Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@...> wrote:
I think it is an NVDA issue.
On Aug 27, 2019, at 3:13 PM, ken lawrence via Groups.Io
<kenlawrence124=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi list ken here have just today noticed something. While doing web
searches for music on youtube I have noticed that the URL is partly cut
off. It reads youtube dot com/watch and that’s it. There must be a three
dot ilipsis there but never saw that before. It always read the complete
URL. Is this an NVDA issue or a browser issue or perhaps a google issue?
Am using chrome as my default.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10




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nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so.

r. aravind,

Assistant manager
Department of sales
bank of baroda specialised mortgage store, Chennai.
mobile no: +91 9940369593,
email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@....
aravind.rajendran@....


Re: strange issue with youtube

Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@...>
 

I think it is an NVDA issue.


On Aug 27, 2019, at 3:13 PM, ken lawrence via Groups.Io <kenlawrence124@...> wrote:

Hi list ken here have just today noticed something.  While doing web searches for music on youtube I have noticed that the URL is partly cut off. It reads youtube dot com/watch and that’s it.  There must be a three dot ilipsis there but never saw that before.  It always read the complete URL. Is this an NVDA issue or a browser issue or perhaps a google issue?  Am using chrome as my default. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


strange issue with youtube

ken lawrence
 

Hi list ken here have just today noticed something.  While doing web searches for music on youtube I have noticed that the URL is partly cut off. It reads youtube dot com/watch and that’s it.  There must be a three dot ilipsis there but never saw that before.  It always read the complete URL. Is this an NVDA issue or a browser issue or perhaps a google issue?  Am using chrome as my default. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: group by

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Thanks for educating me.

 

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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 7:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] group by

 

The Group by setting can be reached in file explorer via ALT+V,G  [View Ribbon, Group By Item], then arrowing down through the current list until you get to the None entry and select it.   It couldn't be more simple.

Most of us will want some sort order, though, and generally by Name.  So afterward you may want to do an ALT+V,O and check to see what is currently being used as the sort column, which remains date, even if not used for grouping, unless you change it.


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