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Re: Chat Solutions for NVDA users

David Goldfield
 

Sam,

I'm afraid that I don't have answers to the question about navigating by section. When the browse mode cursor is enabled I often press ctrl-home to move to the top of the screen and search for the word "unread", pressing enter on channels with unread messages that I want to read. Once I do this the focus moves to the edit field for entering a message within that channel and you are also below the last unread message. I then press escape to reenable browse mode and use shift-K to move backward by links. Within each message there are two links, one for the sender and another with the timestamp, which helps me to navigate across messages. I admit this is not the most elegant way to navigate this program but as it's how I first learned it I do it so quickly that, for me, it's actually efficient.

This conversation is causing me to consider setting up a mailing list for blind users of Slack.

I just may do that ...

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 3/1/2019 11:35 PM, Sam Bushman wrote:

Is there a better way to get from section to section of the app than pressing f6 – is there a way to see all unread messages with out by mistake making them already read just by passing by them?

I do find it basically accessible but hard to navigate and vary slow by the time you move around – it’s quite clunky and hard to use.

 

Any thoughts to improve things? Any settings to turn on or off that helps?

 

Thanks,

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 9:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Chat Solutions for NVDA users

 

Hi, Sam.

If you are in a channel where you have a list of messages, disabling browse mode and then pressing shift-f6 should move your focus to the list of messages. You will likely find yourself at the bottom of the list, pointing to the newest message in the stack. Pressing up arrow should move from one message to the next, going from newest to oldest. I have not tested this method with NVDA as I usually use browse mode. Admittedly, this may not be the most efficient way to read messages. However, it's the way that I first learned how to navigate in Slack and I find that my muscle memory just kicks in and allows me to navigate very quickly.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 3/1/2019 11:17 PM, Sam Bushman wrote:

Hi David,

 

I have been playing with slack. The added keyboard support is truly quite helpful.

I often have a problem using the f6 key taking me from section to section.

 

Can you please write me off list and maybe provide a few navigation tips?

 

I would be most grateful. I need this badly for work.

 

Thanks so much for your help.

 

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 8:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Chat Solutions for NVDA users

 

Regarding Slack I have used it and the program is accessible. However, just because a program is screen reader accessible doesn't necessarily mean that it has an intuitive user-friendly interface. While the UI could do with some improvements to make the program more usable for a screen reader user the fact is that it is usable enough that someone with decent screen reader skills should, after a bit of practice, be able to use it. The Windows version can either be used with browse mode disabled which, for some, may be more efficient or it can be used with browse mode enabled by navigating through messages as you would navigate a Web page. The iOS version, on the whole, is also fairly good. As someone else on this list has stated, the development team is extremely good at responding to users very quickly. Sometime last year, one of the developers inadvertently disabled the ability to navigate through messages using the virtual or browse mode cursor. As this is the way that I use Slack and since using the program is essential for me I was in a bit of a panic and contacted them via their Twitter account (their handle is @SlackHQ.) This was on a Thursday. I very shortly received an apology from one of the developers who understood what the issue was and he promptly fixed it by the end of Friday. That is certainly excellent service.

 

 

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 3/1/2019 10:00 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hi, Gene.

Jonathan Mosen offers a tutorial covering the use of Zoom from a blindness perspective, which you can acquire from this link.



David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 3/1/2019 2:06 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi

 

is there a tutorial on how to use zoom? with nvda? or a section to guide you on how to use it?

 

I have never used it.

 

Gene nz

 

On 2/03/2019 3:47 AM, Robert Kingett wrote:

I'd also try writing Zoom's accessibility team as well. I haven't used the chat feature all that much, so can't comment, but below is zoom's accessibility team email.

access@...

below is their ticket system.

http://support.zoom.us/

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 
To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

Re: Chat Solutions for NVDA users

Sam Bushman
 

Is there a better way to get from section to section of the app than pressing f6 – is there a way to see all unread messages with out by mistake making them already read just by passing by them?

I do find it basically accessible but hard to navigate and vary slow by the time you move around – it’s quite clunky and hard to use.

 

Any thoughts to improve things? Any settings to turn on or off that helps?

 

Thanks,

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 9:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Chat Solutions for NVDA users

 

Hi, Sam.

If you are in a channel where you have a list of messages, disabling browse mode and then pressing shift-f6 should move your focus to the list of messages. You will likely find yourself at the bottom of the list, pointing to the newest message in the stack. Pressing up arrow should move from one message to the next, going from newest to oldest. I have not tested this method with NVDA as I usually use browse mode. Admittedly, this may not be the most efficient way to read messages. However, it's the way that I first learned how to navigate in Slack and I find that my muscle memory just kicks in and allows me to navigate very quickly.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 3/1/2019 11:17 PM, Sam Bushman wrote:

Hi David,

 

I have been playing with slack. The added keyboard support is truly quite helpful.

I often have a problem using the f6 key taking me from section to section.

 

Can you please write me off list and maybe provide a few navigation tips?

 

I would be most grateful. I need this badly for work.

 

Thanks so much for your help.

 

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 8:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Chat Solutions for NVDA users

 

Regarding Slack I have used it and the program is accessible. However, just because a program is screen reader accessible doesn't necessarily mean that it has an intuitive user-friendly interface. While the UI could do with some improvements to make the program more usable for a screen reader user the fact is that it is usable enough that someone with decent screen reader skills should, after a bit of practice, be able to use it. The Windows version can either be used with browse mode disabled which, for some, may be more efficient or it can be used with browse mode enabled by navigating through messages as you would navigate a Web page. The iOS version, on the whole, is also fairly good. As someone else on this list has stated, the development team is extremely good at responding to users very quickly. Sometime last year, one of the developers inadvertently disabled the ability to navigate through messages using the virtual or browse mode cursor. As this is the way that I use Slack and since using the program is essential for me I was in a bit of a panic and contacted them via their Twitter account (their handle is @SlackHQ.) This was on a Thursday. I very shortly received an apology from one of the developers who understood what the issue was and he promptly fixed it by the end of Friday. That is certainly excellent service.

 

 

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 3/1/2019 10:00 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hi, Gene.

Jonathan Mosen offers a tutorial covering the use of Zoom from a blindness perspective, which you can acquire from this link.



David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 3/1/2019 2:06 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi

 

is there a tutorial on how to use zoom? with nvda? or a section to guide you on how to use it?

 

I have never used it.

 

Gene nz

 

On 2/03/2019 3:47 AM, Robert Kingett wrote:

I'd also try writing Zoom's accessibility team as well. I haven't used the chat feature all that much, so can't comment, but below is zoom's accessibility team email.

access@...

below is their ticket system.

http://support.zoom.us/

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 
To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

Re: Chat Solutions for NVDA users

David Goldfield
 

Hi, Sam.

If you are in a channel where you have a list of messages, disabling browse mode and then pressing shift-f6 should move your focus to the list of messages. You will likely find yourself at the bottom of the list, pointing to the newest message in the stack. Pressing up arrow should move from one message to the next, going from newest to oldest. I have not tested this method with NVDA as I usually use browse mode. Admittedly, this may not be the most efficient way to read messages. However, it's the way that I first learned how to navigate in Slack and I find that my muscle memory just kicks in and allows me to navigate very quickly.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 3/1/2019 11:17 PM, Sam Bushman wrote:

Hi David,

 

I have been playing with slack. The added keyboard support is truly quite helpful.

I often have a problem using the f6 key taking me from section to section.

 

Can you please write me off list and maybe provide a few navigation tips?

 

I would be most grateful. I need this badly for work.

 

Thanks so much for your help.

 

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 8:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Chat Solutions for NVDA users

 

Regarding Slack I have used it and the program is accessible. However, just because a program is screen reader accessible doesn't necessarily mean that it has an intuitive user-friendly interface. While the UI could do with some improvements to make the program more usable for a screen reader user the fact is that it is usable enough that someone with decent screen reader skills should, after a bit of practice, be able to use it. The Windows version can either be used with browse mode disabled which, for some, may be more efficient or it can be used with browse mode enabled by navigating through messages as you would navigate a Web page. The iOS version, on the whole, is also fairly good. As someone else on this list has stated, the development team is extremely good at responding to users very quickly. Sometime last year, one of the developers inadvertently disabled the ability to navigate through messages using the virtual or browse mode cursor. As this is the way that I use Slack and since using the program is essential for me I was in a bit of a panic and contacted them via their Twitter account (their handle is @SlackHQ.) This was on a Thursday. I very shortly received an apology from one of the developers who understood what the issue was and he promptly fixed it by the end of Friday. That is certainly excellent service.

 

 

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 3/1/2019 10:00 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hi, Gene.

Jonathan Mosen offers a tutorial covering the use of Zoom from a blindness perspective, which you can acquire from this link.



David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 3/1/2019 2:06 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi

 

is there a tutorial on how to use zoom? with nvda? or a section to guide you on how to use it?

 

I have never used it.

 

Gene nz

 

On 2/03/2019 3:47 AM, Robert Kingett wrote:

I'd also try writing Zoom's accessibility team as well. I haven't used the chat feature all that much, so can't comment, but below is zoom's accessibility team email.

access@...

below is their ticket system.

http://support.zoom.us/

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 
To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

Re: Chat Solutions for NVDA users

Sam Bushman
 

Hi David,

 

I have been playing with slack. The added keyboard support is truly quite helpful.

I often have a problem using the f6 key taking me from section to section.

 

Can you please write me off list and maybe provide a few navigation tips?

 

I would be most grateful. I need this badly for work.

 

Thanks so much for your help.

 

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 8:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Chat Solutions for NVDA users

 

Regarding Slack I have used it and the program is accessible. However, just because a program is screen reader accessible doesn't necessarily mean that it has an intuitive user-friendly interface. While the UI could do with some improvements to make the program more usable for a screen reader user the fact is that it is usable enough that someone with decent screen reader skills should, after a bit of practice, be able to use it. The Windows version can either be used with browse mode disabled which, for some, may be more efficient or it can be used with browse mode enabled by navigating through messages as you would navigate a Web page. The iOS version, on the whole, is also fairly good. As someone else on this list has stated, the development team is extremely good at responding to users very quickly. Sometime last year, one of the developers inadvertently disabled the ability to navigate through messages using the virtual or browse mode cursor. As this is the way that I use Slack and since using the program is essential for me I was in a bit of a panic and contacted them via their Twitter account (their handle is @SlackHQ.) This was on a Thursday. I very shortly received an apology from one of the developers who understood what the issue was and he promptly fixed it by the end of Friday. That is certainly excellent service.

 

 

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 3/1/2019 10:00 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hi, Gene.

Jonathan Mosen offers a tutorial covering the use of Zoom from a blindness perspective, which you can acquire from this link.



David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 3/1/2019 2:06 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi

 

is there a tutorial on how to use zoom? with nvda? or a section to guide you on how to use it?

 

I have never used it.

 

Gene nz

 

On 2/03/2019 3:47 AM, Robert Kingett wrote:

I'd also try writing Zoom's accessibility team as well. I haven't used the chat feature all that much, so can't comment, but below is zoom's accessibility team email.

access@...

below is their ticket system.

http://support.zoom.us/

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 
To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

Re: Chat Solutions for NVDA users

David Goldfield
 

Regarding Slack I have used it and the program is accessible. However, just because a program is screen reader accessible doesn't necessarily mean that it has an intuitive user-friendly interface. While the UI could do with some improvements to make the program more usable for a screen reader user the fact is that it is usable enough that someone with decent screen reader skills should, after a bit of practice, be able to use it. The Windows version can either be used with browse mode disabled which, for some, may be more efficient or it can be used with browse mode enabled by navigating through messages as you would navigate a Web page. The iOS version, on the whole, is also fairly good. As someone else on this list has stated, the development team is extremely good at responding to users very quickly. Sometime last year, one of the developers inadvertently disabled the ability to navigate through messages using the virtual or browse mode cursor. As this is the way that I use Slack and since using the program is essential for me I was in a bit of a panic and contacted them via their Twitter account (their handle is @SlackHQ.) This was on a Thursday. I very shortly received an apology from one of the developers who understood what the issue was and he promptly fixed it by the end of Friday. That is certainly excellent service.



David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 3/1/2019 10:00 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hi, Gene.

Jonathan Mosen offers a tutorial covering the use of Zoom from a blindness perspective, which you can acquire from this link.



David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 3/1/2019 2:06 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


is there a tutorial on how to use zoom? with nvda? or a section to guide you on how to use it?


I have never used it.


Gene nz


On 2/03/2019 3:47 AM, Robert Kingett wrote:

I'd also try writing Zoom's accessibility team as well. I haven't used the chat feature all that much, so can't comment, but below is zoom's accessibility team email.

access@...

below is their ticket system.

http://support.zoom.us/

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 
To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

Re: Chat Solutions for NVDA users

David Goldfield
 

Hi, Gene.

Jonathan Mosen offers a tutorial covering the use of Zoom from a blindness perspective, which you can acquire from this link.



David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 3/1/2019 2:06 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


is there a tutorial on how to use zoom? with nvda? or a section to guide you on how to use it?


I have never used it.


Gene nz


On 2/03/2019 3:47 AM, Robert Kingett wrote:

I'd also try writing Zoom's accessibility team as well. I haven't used the chat feature all that much, so can't comment, but below is zoom's accessibility team email.

access@...

below is their ticket system.

http://support.zoom.us/

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 
To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

Re: Brave browser

David Goldfield
 

It's been a while since I've used this browser and so things may have improved. When I last tried it using the menu was difficult as the menu items were included in the virtual buffer, as though the items were part of the Web page. I believe the items were actionable but, until this issue is resolved, it made using the browser not worth the aggravation.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 3/1/2019 6:04 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi,

 

Also, it doesn’t synchronise your stuff like Chrome does across devices.  A No-No for me.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 01 March 2019 21:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

I read the PC World review, which I would suggest people who are interested in the browser read. 

The browser isn't any faster than other browsers.  it is loding considerably less information because, at the moment, it isn't loading advertising.  They will get, at least that is their intention, advertising over time. 

 

I don't understand enough about how their advertising system will work to evaluate itfrom an ethical perspective or from a perspective of whether the browser will survive or how advertising will affect speed as it is added. 

 

Also, and I don't know if people use enough Chrome extensions to matter, but a lot of extensions won't work in Brave.  They have to be adapted.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Andy

Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 3:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

I installed it last night, and it feels just like Chrome, in fact, it uses
many Chrome elements including the Chrome Web store.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby Vinton" <vinton.bobby5277@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser


> Well brave browser is very fast and the good thing about it is that you
> have a built in add blocker. I am using the windows 10 latest version. It
> is just like google chrome
>
> On 3/1/2019 12:50 PM, Brice Mijares wrote:
>> I won't touch it until a portable version comes out.
>>
>>
>
>
>


application error in latest alpha

Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi.  I am getting this error every time I restart the latest NVDA alpha:

Error message below

//////////

NvdaHelper remote(outProcMgrThreadFunc) Dialog: error registering focus WinEventHook

//////////

There is then an ok button to get out of the dialog.  How it affects NVDA's workings, I am not as yet sure as I am just trying the alpha out.  Will report if there is any misbehavior.  Cheers!

Re: saving emails

Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...>
 

If you're using Thunderbird or Outlook, simply choose "Save as" from the file menu. You have the option of saving your message in several formats including html and text. I hope this helps.
--
Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author
http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
abbietaylor945@...

Re: Brave browser

Gene
 

Also, there is a portable version.  If you do a search for Brave Browser portable, you will see that portable apps has one.
 
Gene
----- Original Messsage -----

From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

Hi,

 

Also, it doesn’t synchronise your stuff like Chrome does across devices.  A No-No for me.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 01 March 2019 21:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

I read the PC World review, which I would suggest people who are interested in the browser read. 

The browser isn't any faster than other browsers.  it is loding considerably less information because, at the moment, it isn't loading advertising.  They will get, at least that is their intention, advertising over time. 

 

I don't understand enough about how their advertising system will work to evaluate itfrom an ethical perspective or from a perspective of whether the browser will survive or how advertising will affect speed as it is added. 

 

Also, and I don't know if people use enough Chrome extensions to matter, but a lot of extensions won't work in Brave.  They have to be adapted.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Andy

Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 3:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

I installed it last night, and it feels just like Chrome, in fact, it uses
many Chrome elements including the Chrome Web store.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby Vinton" <vinton.bobby5277@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser


> Well brave browser is very fast and the good thing about it is that you
> have a built in add blocker. I am using the windows 10 latest version. It
> is just like google chrome
>
> On 3/1/2019 12:50 PM, Brice Mijares wrote:
>> I won't touch it until a portable version comes out.
>>
>>
>
>
>


Re: Brave browser

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Also, it doesn’t synchronise your stuff like Chrome does across devices.  A No-No for me.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 01 March 2019 21:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

I read the PC World review, which I would suggest people who are interested in the browser read. 

The browser isn't any faster than other browsers.  it is loding considerably less information because, at the moment, it isn't loading advertising.  They will get, at least that is their intention, advertising over time. 

 

I don't understand enough about how their advertising system will work to evaluate itfrom an ethical perspective or from a perspective of whether the browser will survive or how advertising will affect speed as it is added. 

 

Also, and I don't know if people use enough Chrome extensions to matter, but a lot of extensions won't work in Brave.  They have to be adapted.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Andy

Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 3:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

I installed it last night, and it feels just like Chrome, in fact, it uses
many Chrome elements including the Chrome Web store.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby Vinton" <vinton.bobby5277@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser


> Well brave browser is very fast and the good thing about it is that you
> have a built in add blocker. I am using the windows 10 latest version. It
> is just like google chrome
>
> On 3/1/2019 12:50 PM, Brice Mijares wrote:
>> I won't touch it until a portable version comes out.
>>
>>
>
>
>


Re: backing up thunderbird

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, no problems fully accessible using Nvda.

On 01/03/2019 22:41, Brice Mijares wrote:
I downloaded it, but haven't tried it yet. may do it over the weekend. thanks.
On 3/1/2019 1:23 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,   no worries are you going to try it?

On 28/02/2019 23:45, Brice Mijares wrote:
Thank you for the info.

On 2/28/2019 2:36 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
it is a program for backing up everything in any Mozilla program and then you can restore it say on a clean install and have all your stuff like address books and so on in mail.   and bookmarks. in your firefox.

On 28/02/2019 22:29, Brice Mijares wrote:
Would you explain what this most backup is? thank you.

On 2/28/2019 2:14 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,   the easy way is download moz backup  and install it this will back up everything I have used it for years. download link from my one drive folder below.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ame5fFtwuKO3zFyN0iTjnA0hiJe3

On 28/02/2019 21:07, Annette Moore wrote:
ron, does this save all of your configuration, as well as your messages? I care more about the configuration than about actually keeping any of my messages because it took about an hour for me to get everything I wanted/needed configured to the way I needed it sinceI have three email accounts. I have the instructions saved that Richard Wels gave me, but shoot, if I could back all that up and not have to go through that again with any clean install of thunderbird on a future new computer, that would be great!

Annette

On 2/28/2019 1:13 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


This probably varies from mail program to mail program, but when using Thunderbird, you can back up almost everything by doing the following.


1.  Close Thunderbird.

2.  From the run dialogue, type %appdata% and press enter.

3.  You are in the roaming folder.  This folder contains all the application data, settings, address book and e-mails from Thunderbird.

4.  navigate to the folder named Thunderbird and when highlighted, press control + C to copy that folder.

5.  Then paste this folder onto a thumb drive, external hard drive or some similar device and you have everything backed up.

6.  Now if for some reason, you need a fresh install of Thunderbird or if you get a new computer and use Thunderbird, you can simply install Thunderbird and navigate to the Roaming folder as described in steps 1 through 3 above and paste the contents of the Thunderbird folder that you have copied into the Roaming folder.


I do this every few days to keep the mail and settings of Thunderbird backed up.


On 2/28/2019 1:14 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
100% agreed. Very, very well said, indeed.

Now I definitely would like to know how I can backup my messages. I never did it before just because I never knew it was even possible. Help me with this, please?

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>

Em 28/02/2019 15:09, Travis Siegel escreveu:

Wishing something would go away because it doesn't fit your definition of what is useful is just plain silly.

If that were the case, then I wish narrator would go away, I whish jaws wold go away, I wish windows would go away. Hell, I wish microsoft would go away.

\See, it serves no purpose.

There are people who use pop3, and it works just fine for them. There are definitely use cases where pop3 is a better fit than imap, and there are use cases where imap is clearly the better alternative.  Wishing one or the other would go away is just ignorance talking.

If you don't wish to use it, then don't, but that doesn't mean that others who are fully aware of what they're getting, and do wish to use it shouldn't do so.  I for one much prefer pop3, for several reasons, including disk usage, security, issues, ease of backup, and others.

When folks talk about folks loosing years worth of emails because they used pop3, my question is did those folks ever backup their mail? I'm thinking no.  Sure, it's not the easiest thing to move mail from one email client to another, but you're just as likely to loose all your imap messages if your email provider goes bye-bye as well, and nobody here can tell me that's never happened.

It's six of one, and half dozen of the other, use what works for you, and allow others to use what works for them.


On 2/28/2019 12:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

With my old internet provider, I had a pop 3 account. After I got to a certain amount of messages, my email started bouncing. I don't think people are using pop so much anymore but I could be wrong. I wish pop 3 would go away too.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Sarah k Alawami
*Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 8:27 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

Yes you can. I have about 200 thousand messages on gmail's server and it doesn't really complain at me. You can also clean them up using iMap as well. I use iMap and wish that pop 3 would just go away and die. All the email and attachments are backed up in the cloud and no matter what device as stated you are on you can always get your mail. I lost over 3 years worth of messages once so am not going back to pop3.

On 28 Feb 2019, at 7:49, Gene wrote:

    I don't use IMAP so others can answer the question.  But I'm
    sure you can delete messages if you wish. As I understand it,
    you can keep a large number on the server if you wish.

    Gene

    ----- Original Message -----

    *From:*marcio via Groups.Io
    <mailto:marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>

    *Sent:*Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:37 AM

    *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

    *Subject:*Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for
    Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

    Em 28/02/2019 12:34, Gene escreveu:

        unless you want a permanent collection of all your received
        messages off site.

    Does it means that using IMAP I won't be able to delete any
    message?

    Cheers,

    Marcio
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Checking A Web Page For Accessibility

Ervin, Glenn
 

Hi,

A client would like to check out a high school’s new web page for accessibility, because they have had trouble with its accessibility in the past.

What is the best site for checking a web page?

Thanks.

Glenn

 

Glenn Ervin  Orientation Counselor II

Norfolk Nebraska

402 370 3436

Cell: 402 992 0325

Welcome | NCBVI

 

Re: backing up thunderbird

Brice Mijares
 

I downloaded it, but haven't tried it yet. may do it over the weekend. thanks.

On 3/1/2019 1:23 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,   no worries are you going to try it?
On 28/02/2019 23:45, Brice Mijares wrote:
Thank you for the info.

On 2/28/2019 2:36 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
it is a program for backing up everything in any Mozilla program and then you can restore it say on a clean install and have all your stuff like address books and so on in mail.   and bookmarks. in your firefox.

On 28/02/2019 22:29, Brice Mijares wrote:
Would you explain what this most backup is? thank you.

On 2/28/2019 2:14 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,   the easy way is download moz backup  and install it this will back up everything I have used it for years. download link from my one drive folder below.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ame5fFtwuKO3zFyN0iTjnA0hiJe3

On 28/02/2019 21:07, Annette Moore wrote:
ron, does this save all of your configuration, as well as your messages? I care more about the configuration than about actually keeping any of my messages because it took about an hour for me to get everything I wanted/needed configured to the way I needed it sinceI have three email accounts. I have the instructions saved that Richard Wels gave me, but shoot, if I could back all that up and not have to go through that again with any clean install of thunderbird on a future new computer, that would be great!

Annette

On 2/28/2019 1:13 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


This probably varies from mail program to mail program, but when using Thunderbird, you can back up almost everything by doing the following.


1.  Close Thunderbird.

2.  From the run dialogue, type %appdata% and press enter.

3.  You are in the roaming folder.  This folder contains all the application data, settings, address book and e-mails from Thunderbird.

4.  navigate to the folder named Thunderbird and when highlighted, press control + C to copy that folder.

5.  Then paste this folder onto a thumb drive, external hard drive or some similar device and you have everything backed up.

6.  Now if for some reason, you need a fresh install of Thunderbird or if you get a new computer and use Thunderbird, you can simply install Thunderbird and navigate to the Roaming folder as described in steps 1 through 3 above and paste the contents of the Thunderbird folder that you have copied into the Roaming folder.


I do this every few days to keep the mail and settings of Thunderbird backed up.


On 2/28/2019 1:14 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
100% agreed. Very, very well said, indeed.

Now I definitely would like to know how I can backup my messages. I never did it before just because I never knew it was even possible. Help me with this, please?

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>

Em 28/02/2019 15:09, Travis Siegel escreveu:

Wishing something would go away because it doesn't fit your definition of what is useful is just plain silly.

If that were the case, then I wish narrator would go away, I whish jaws wold go away, I wish windows would go away. Hell, I wish microsoft would go away.

\See, it serves no purpose.

There are people who use pop3, and it works just fine for them. There are definitely use cases where pop3 is a better fit than imap, and there are use cases where imap is clearly the better alternative.  Wishing one or the other would go away is just ignorance talking.

If you don't wish to use it, then don't, but that doesn't mean that others who are fully aware of what they're getting, and do wish to use it shouldn't do so.  I for one much prefer pop3, for several reasons, including disk usage, security, issues, ease of backup, and others.

When folks talk about folks loosing years worth of emails because they used pop3, my question is did those folks ever backup their mail? I'm thinking no.  Sure, it's not the easiest thing to move mail from one email client to another, but you're just as likely to loose all your imap messages if your email provider goes bye-bye as well, and nobody here can tell me that's never happened.

It's six of one, and half dozen of the other, use what works for you, and allow others to use what works for them.


On 2/28/2019 12:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

With my old internet provider, I had a pop 3 account. After I got to a certain amount of messages, my email started bouncing. I don't think people are using pop so much anymore but I could be wrong. I wish pop 3 would go away too.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Sarah k Alawami
*Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 8:27 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

Yes you can. I have about 200 thousand messages on gmail's server and it doesn't really complain at me. You can also clean them up using iMap as well. I use iMap and wish that pop 3 would just go away and die. All the email and attachments are backed up in the cloud and no matter what device as stated you are on you can always get your mail. I lost over 3 years worth of messages once so am not going back to pop3.

On 28 Feb 2019, at 7:49, Gene wrote:

    I don't use IMAP so others can answer the question.  But I'm
    sure you can delete messages if you wish. As I understand it,
    you can keep a large number on the server if you wish.

    Gene

    ----- Original Message -----

    *From:*marcio via Groups.Io
    <mailto:marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>

    *Sent:*Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:37 AM

    *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

    *Subject:*Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for
    Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

    Em 28/02/2019 12:34, Gene escreveu:

        unless you want a permanent collection of all your received
        messages off site.

    Does it means that using IMAP I won't be able to delete any
    message?

    Cheers,

    Marcio
    Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>
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Re: NVDA and Zotero

Sally Kiebdaj
 

Hi all,

To revive this thread, I can give a partial answer to the original question and need to ask one of my own.

If you go to the zotero desktop application and under preferences find citation then word processor and check the "use classic citation  checkbox, you will get a dialogue in word that is 99% accessible. 

The only thing that has not worked for me is citing multiple works in a single in text citation. In the classic citation dialogue there is an add button that NVDA does not see with any cursor and in the default dialogue I hear only a string of HTML code rather than "unknown." 

i have posted to the zotero forum and will let you know what i hear back. 

Does anyone else have experience here with zotero or any other free citation manager? 

It was a huge help to have this on my last paper and I'd like to see it work or have access to something equivalent for academic writing. 

Warmly,
Sally 

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 11:56 AM Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> wrote:
Reference management and citation generation.

On 7/29/18, 06:30, "Ben J. Bloomgren" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of godsquad@...> wrote:

    What does Zotero do?


    Ben


    On 7/29/2018 3:00, James AUSTIN wrote:
    > Morning folks
    >
    > I hope you are all well.
    >
    > Has anyone found a way of using Zotero with NVDA please? I have
    > installed the plugin for Word but am unable to access the dialogue
    > that appears. NVDA reports 'unknown'.
    >
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > Best
    >
    > James
    >
    >
    >
    >










Re: Brave browser

Gene
 

I read the PC World review, which I would suggest people who are interested in the browser read. 
The browser isn't any faster than other browsers.  it is loding considerably less information because, at the moment, it isn't loading advertising.  They will get, at least that is their intention, advertising over time. 
 
I don't understand enough about how their advertising system will work to evaluate itfrom an ethical perspective or from a perspective of whether the browser will survive or how advertising will affect speed as it is added. 
 
Also, and I don't know if people use enough Chrome extensions to matter, but a lot of extensions won't work in Brave.  They have to be adapted.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Andy
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

I installed it last night, and it feels just like Chrome, in fact, it uses
many Chrome elements including the Chrome Web store.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby Vinton" <vinton.bobby5277@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser


> Well brave browser is very fast and the good thing about it is that you
> have a built in add blocker. I am using the windows 10 latest version. It
> is just like google chrome
>
> On 3/1/2019 12:50 PM, Brice Mijares wrote:
>> I won't touch it until a portable version comes out.
>>
>>
>
>
>



Re: Brave browser

Andy
 

I installed it last night, and it feels just like Chrome, in fact, it uses many Chrome elements including the Chrome Web store.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby Vinton" <vinton.bobby5277@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser


Well brave browser is very fast and the good thing about it is that you have a built in add blocker. I am using the windows 10 latest version. It is just like google chrome

On 3/1/2019 12:50 PM, Brice Mijares wrote:
I won't touch it until a portable version comes out.

Re: backing up thunderbird

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, no worries are you going to try it?

On 28/02/2019 23:45, Brice Mijares wrote:
Thank you for the info.
On 2/28/2019 2:36 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
it is a program for backing up everything in any Mozilla program and then you can restore it say on a clean install and have all your stuff like address books and so on in mail.   and bookmarks. in your firefox.

On 28/02/2019 22:29, Brice Mijares wrote:
Would you explain what this most backup is? thank you.

On 2/28/2019 2:14 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,   the easy way is download moz backup  and install it this will back up everything I have used it for years. download link from my one drive folder below.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ame5fFtwuKO3zFyN0iTjnA0hiJe3

On 28/02/2019 21:07, Annette Moore wrote:
ron, does this save all of your configuration, as well as your messages? I care more about the configuration than about actually keeping any of my messages because it took about an hour for me to get everything I wanted/needed configured to the way I needed it sinceI have three email accounts. I have the instructions saved that Richard Wels gave me, but shoot, if I could back all that up and not have to go through that again with any clean install of thunderbird on a future new computer, that would be great!

Annette

On 2/28/2019 1:13 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


This probably varies from mail program to mail program, but when using Thunderbird, you can back up almost everything by doing the following.


1.  Close Thunderbird.

2.  From the run dialogue, type %appdata% and press enter.

3.  You are in the roaming folder.  This folder contains all the application data, settings, address book and e-mails from Thunderbird.

4.  navigate to the folder named Thunderbird and when highlighted, press control + C to copy that folder.

5.  Then paste this folder onto a thumb drive, external hard drive or some similar device and you have everything backed up.

6.  Now if for some reason, you need a fresh install of Thunderbird or if you get a new computer and use Thunderbird, you can simply install Thunderbird and navigate to the Roaming folder as described in steps 1 through 3 above and paste the contents of the Thunderbird folder that you have copied into the Roaming folder.


I do this every few days to keep the mail and settings of Thunderbird backed up.


On 2/28/2019 1:14 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
100% agreed. Very, very well said, indeed.

Now I definitely would like to know how I can backup my messages. I never did it before just because I never knew it was even possible. Help me with this, please?

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>

Em 28/02/2019 15:09, Travis Siegel escreveu:

Wishing something would go away because it doesn't fit your definition of what is useful is just plain silly.

If that were the case, then I wish narrator would go away, I whish jaws wold go away, I wish windows would go away. Hell, I wish microsoft would go away.

\See, it serves no purpose.

There are people who use pop3, and it works just fine for them. There are definitely use cases where pop3 is a better fit than imap, and there are use cases where imap is clearly the better alternative.  Wishing one or the other would go away is just ignorance talking.

If you don't wish to use it, then don't, but that doesn't mean that others who are fully aware of what they're getting, and do wish to use it shouldn't do so.  I for one much prefer pop3, for several reasons, including disk usage, security, issues, ease of backup, and others.

When folks talk about folks loosing years worth of emails because they used pop3, my question is did those folks ever backup their mail? I'm thinking no.  Sure, it's not the easiest thing to move mail from one email client to another, but you're just as likely to loose all your imap messages if your email provider goes bye-bye as well, and nobody here can tell me that's never happened.

It's six of one, and half dozen of the other, use what works for you, and allow others to use what works for them.


On 2/28/2019 12:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

With my old internet provider, I had a pop 3 account. After I got to a certain amount of messages, my email started bouncing. I don't think people are using pop so much anymore but I could be wrong. I wish pop 3 would go away too.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Sarah k Alawami
*Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 8:27 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

Yes you can. I have about 200 thousand messages on gmail's server and it doesn't really complain at me. You can also clean them up using iMap as well. I use iMap and wish that pop 3 would just go away and die. All the email and attachments are backed up in the cloud and no matter what device as stated you are on you can always get your mail. I lost over 3 years worth of messages once so am not going back to pop3.

On 28 Feb 2019, at 7:49, Gene wrote:

    I don't use IMAP so others can answer the question.  But I'm
    sure you can delete messages if you wish. As I understand it,
    you can keep a large number on the server if you wish.

    Gene

    ----- Original Message -----

    *From:*marcio via Groups.Io
    <mailto:marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>

    *Sent:*Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:37 AM

    *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

    *Subject:*Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for
    Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

    Em 28/02/2019 12:34, Gene escreveu:

        unless you want a permanent collection of all your received
        messages off site.

    Does it means that using IMAP I won't be able to delete any
    message?

    Cheers,

    Marcio
    Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>
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Re: In-Process for 1st March 2019

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

You mention in the blog that there is still more planned to improve responsiveness. What is planned for snapshots in this regard?

On 3/1/2019 10:41 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi thanks, very interesting. Yes you need somebody with an overall view to organise stuff, so hope he can cope!
Programmers can be a difficult bunch to work with as they tend to have their own views on a lot of stuff.
Believe me I know...

I agree about responsiveness but also some of the responsiveness elsewhere needs a look. recent threads in the user list on lack of reading  infoo with alt/tab or when folders are first opened etc, as also in web browsers sometimes has been an intermittent problem for some time, so if somebody could look at that it might be nice. I suspect the answer  is in an old bit of code from way back which just does not see events or pass them on or it gets overwritten by something else.



Do people really come to computers as a blind person not knowing the basic keystrokes of Windows though? It has not been my experience generally, but often those who have become blinder, over the years who were mouse people can be in this category, and I think it does need saying in documents that this is an nvda command but this is a windows native command and that can make it a lot easier to troubleshoot problems folk are having.

No shant be going to the states, sorry!

My brain hurts thinking of it. I used to exhibit at small computer shows here in the UK back in the 90s, but I  found the throngs of bodies and noise far too distracting, and usually lost my voice by the end of the day.
Anyway thanks again and as I do not want to be grabbed by the talons of our new moderator, I'll add the phrase that this is not a conversation, merely a reaction to your article.
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Re: Brave browser

JM Casey
 

Hm, yes I noticed that updater as well, it’s running in background even though I haven’t used the browser in a while. I’ll see if it uninstalls with the programme on my system.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: March 1, 2019 10:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

Even after removing it, it left a program in the startup that was to update it.  I don't know why it didn't remove the update program after the uninstall.  I had to go into the directory where it had been installed, and remove the update program manually after killing it from task manager.  A reboot, and it went away, and hasn't come back, but I'm fairly sure there's still some mention of it in my registry, though I've not checked just yet, but I think that's something I'll have to do just to make sure it's truly gone.  I don't like programs that insert themselves into my boot sequence.  Wait until I run the silly thing, then ask me if I want to update it or not.  I don't believe I'll be using vivaldi anytime in the future, even if they do manage to make it completely accessible, just because of that little stunt.

 

On 2/28/2019 9:13 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

That is a problem what happened when you tried to uninstall that brouser out of interest.

That what eventually drove me away from a lot of bundled things, they always managed to screw somet6hing up after uninstall.

I once had a network wide security package which was really good till it did something I didn't want it to do and decided to change it.

On removing it completely, it blocked and dammaged so much of windows I had to reformat all my pcs to say the least I was happy I never payed money for it.

 

 

On 1/03/2019 11:57 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:

When I tried it several months ago, it worked, though it didn't work well enough to make it a primary browser.  I did have one heck of a time getting it uninstalled though. 

This brave browser is based on chromium, which means it's opensource, so if you're concerned about security, go look at the source code, and set your mind to rest.

On 2/28/2019 4:28 PM, Andy wrote:



Vivaldi!  What a neat name for a browser!

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 12:30 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

Indeed, there are many other Chromium browsers out there.

Which reminds me, has anybody else taken Vivaldi for a spin?

I love how customisable it is but so far my screen-reader experience is a bit cluttered, and not all controls behave as I think they should.

It should be tweakable though.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: February 27, 2019 10:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

Well its the latest chromium alternertive.

FFull add blocking and extra security.

review here.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3292619/web-browsers/the-brave-browser-basics-what-it-does-how-it-differs-from-rivals.html

I do caution users, in the article link I pasted above the eventual plan for brave is to replace all adds from other's websites and tracks with its own adds and trackers or at least thats what I read.

Some antimalware and security tools detect brave as malware though they say its false.

Reviews seem generally good now, but I am not sure.

If this brouser is replacing adds with its own, there is no garantee that eventually you trade a malware free environment with using another echosystem, with its own adds, trackers, and malware thrown in.

This is a really new project, its not the first chromium sourced brouser and it will not be the last.

One other thing to note, its not a main stay brouser like chrome, firefox, ie and edge, so interface wize while it may be good, a supported brouser that is supported is better than one which may have issues.

Now saying that with nvda that probably doesn't matter as such because of the fact nvda itself is basically a scripted program built using modern techniques and using commen os access commands and apis.

But Its probable that if you run something like dolphin stuff you won't get access and its unlikely that it would be supported by jaws or anything like that.

The thing I don't care for is trading all the malware I have to deal with now with eventually another person's adds.

If I am ready to do this, I may as well uninstall my antimalware software and turn off my firewall.

Users do have glowing reviews right now but its new.

 

Now if you want to try it you probably won't have any issues doing so however who knows.

Ports come and go.

It may have some big names developing it but look at piriform.

CCleaner is a good program, it used to be really good till piriform went with avast.

Now ccleaner is its own malware, and sadly it does do malwareish things, trying to have quickclean run, and a entire load of other things I have to modify my ini file every day or so.

Its interface or at least the main interface panel is total crap access wize.

And it comes with avast which is total crap access wize to.

I used to use programs with dvdvideosoftware they used to have google spyware in them and I don't care about google because I use that but later it had conduit then opencandy, then a lot of other junk and I had to get rid of it and reformat my system to get rid of all the extra junkware.

Sadly it seems to be the rage, any software that is bundled with any software is pritty much malware because most of the time the user has not requested that software so its malware.

THats another issue with brave, it does not block google adds or google trackers, so we know who is funding brave now.

Now if brave got cash from doubleclick, yahoo adds and all the other add makers to have their adds unblocked then we have a problem.

I know that with waterfox I have full control, and I have blocked google and all sort of extras.

 

 

On 28/02/2019 11:12 AM, Gene wrote:

If people do a Google or other search engine search for something like Brave browser review, they may find knowledgeable assessments of the browser. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 4:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

How do we know this is a safe browser?

 

 

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