Date   
Re: POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

 

I'd also like to know.
Also, if is there a way of resetting my Thunderbird profile to use IMAP instead of POP3 but not losing messages I saved on the old profile, someone could please tell me how I can accomplish this?

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 28/02/2019 11:35, Antony Stone escreveu:

What is unwise about using POP these days?

Antony.

On Thursday 28 February 2019 at 15:22:08, Brian Vogel wrote:

Using POP in this day and age is unwise (though that is a separate issue of
its own). 
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Re: POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

Antony Stone
 

What is unwise about using POP these days?

Antony.

On Thursday 28 February 2019 at 15:22:08, Brian Vogel wrote:

Using POP in this day and age is unwise (though that is a separate issue of
its own).
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Re: Staying in Forms for Checkboxes

Steve Nutt
 

Brian,

 

Dropdowns of any kind are never announced as dropdowns.

 

Combos are announced as Combo and Combo Edits are announced as Combo Edit.  Dropdown is not a screen reader term thus far on any screen reader I have ever used.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 27 February 2019 16:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Staying in Forms for Checkboxes

 

It's also important here to make a distinction, and it's not a trivial one, between a combo box and a dropdown box.

A dropdown box allows you to make a selection from the dropdown list - that's it.  You may, in some implementations, get away with using the first letter of a choice to get to it quickly, but that's the equivalent of arrowing down to it.  You can't change it in any way, only select it.

A true combo box, hence its name, is a merger of an edit box and a dropdown list.  You can type in a combo box and it will accept the input.  Some do edit checks afterward to ensure that what's there matches one of the items in the dropdown list (most common), while others intentionally don't, so that the end user can essentially give an input that is not one of those things.

I've actually never paid close attention to whether dropdowns and combos are announced differently, but I have to believe they are since their behaviors are, while related, distinctly different.

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Re: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice

 

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 03:45 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Oh if only one could actually do that.. The real world is not that simple, sadly. See my long post.
One can actually do that in a great many cases, thus it is important that when one can, one does.   The real world is never simple.   Using POP in this day and age is unwise (though that is a separate issue of its own).
 
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Re: virtualbox gui

mattias
 

i like the gui better

Den 2019-02-27 kl. 18:30, skrev Didier Colle:

Hi,

Not really an answer to your question, but is there any reason why you
need the GUI?
I am happy to use the vboxmanage command (simple purely text based
command with all possible flexibility I ever needed so far...) in a
cygwin shell window...

Kind regards,

Didier

mattias writes:

how can jaws read the virtualbox gui without issues

jaws 2018

but nvda cant realy do that yet


Re: Facebook, comments and suggestions

molly the blind tech lover
 

Thanks so much Marcio

This is really helpful, as I find using facebook with my Android to be slow and cumbersome 😉

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 8:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Facebook, comments and suggestions

 

Molly,
Three things:
1. Using Messenger, you need to type your message, quit the typing mode of NVDA (which I never remember the right name, guess it's focus mode) then search for the send button arrowing down from where you are.

2. Another way, (simpler and quicker) to send a message is just hit enter right after writing your message.
I'm not sure if it works but I have a feeling it does.
If it works, remember then that if you're wanting to write something with more than one line, pressing enter to jump to a new line will actually send your message. In this case, use shift+enter to create a new one.

3. Last but not least, you have what I use most of the time.
You could simply use the Messages' section from http://m.facebook.com, it has a very intuitive interface.
The only downside is you'll need to refresh the page from time to time to see new messages, as it doesn't refresh on its own.


Hopefully at least one single thing I've said here will be useful for you 😍

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 28/02/2019 00:01, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

Hi.

I have problems with facebook but with the messenging thing. It won’t tell you if the message was sent and I can’t find the send button.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 7:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Facebook, comments and suggestions

 

Hi all,
Does anyone here uses Facebook and is having problems when trying to mention someone on a comment?
I did notice it just now and tried everything that I could think of to see if I could fix it and nothing worked at all.
When commenting, NVDA won't read the suggestions when writing parts of a name, as it used to do before.
For what it matters, using Firefox.

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Marcio
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Re: Facebook, comments and suggestions

 

Molly,
Three things:
1. Using Messenger, you need to type your message, quit the typing mode of NVDA (which I never remember the right name, guess it's focus mode) then search for the send button arrowing down from where you are.

2. Another way, (simpler and quicker) to send a message is just hit enter right after writing your message.
I'm not sure if it works but I have a feeling it does.
If it works, remember then that if you're wanting to write something with more than one line, pressing enter to jump to a new line will actually send your message. In this case, use shift+enter to create a new one.

3. Last but not least, you have what I use most of the time.
You could simply use the Messages' section from http://m.facebook.com, it has a very intuitive interface.
The only downside is you'll need to refresh the page from time to time to see new messages, as it doesn't refresh on its own.

Hopefully at least one single thing I've said here will be useful for you 😍

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow or add me on Facebook

Em 28/02/2019 00:01, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

Hi.

I have problems with facebook but with the messenging thing. It won’t tell you if the message was sent and I can’t find the send button.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 7:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Facebook, comments and suggestions

 

Hi all,
Does anyone here uses Facebook and is having problems when trying to mention someone on a comment?
I did notice it just now and tried everything that I could think of to see if I could fix it and nothing worked at all.
When commenting, NVDA won't read the suggestions when writing parts of a name, as it used to do before.
For what it matters, using Firefox.

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Marcio
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Re: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice

 

I've never marked any of these as spam, ever, yet, somehow, they still ended up in my spam folder. I finally had to create a filter to tell gmail to never mark this domain as spam and that solved the problem. Below is a link on creating gmail filters.

https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6579?hl=en

Re: Facebook, comments and suggestions

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.
I'm using windows ☺ I guess pressing enter sends the message, like you said. Thanks ☺

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 11:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Facebook, comments and suggestions

If you're using IOS, when you press enter or return, it apparently sends the message.
-----
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Re: Visual Studio Code and NVDA, NVDA Where is it going?

Shasa
 

Very good news.

I'm looking forward to.

On 27.02.2019 23:06, Pawel Urbanski wrote:
I submitted some pull requests with changes to the Visual Studio Code,
but they seem to be stuck... Will poke the people reviewing them...
They fix:
Stupid announcement what word / function / variable name was inserted
- it was done using an HTML alert
Too much information with code completion.

I also created a simple NVDA add-on - not public yet, which fixes the following:
Losing focus from the code editor textarea after accepting completion item,
Reading the entire line from the beginning after accepting code completion item.

On 27/02/2019, ( NAJAF . Naqvi ) <@najafnaqvi471> wrote:
thanks bro

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 12:57 AM ( NAJAF . Naqvi ) via Groups.Io
<najafnaqvi471=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

next version of nvda relayse date ?

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 12:49 AM Shasa <shasa@...> wrote:

Hello there,

Friends, I'm going to talk about something that I think is important
now.
Visual Studio Code (VSCODE)

This IDE is sure to be a nice tool for the software.
But we can't really use it. The same words are repeated over and over
again while navigating my codes with the arrow keys.
NVDA is actually offering nice and fast support for everything that is
on the Chromium infrastructure. I think we can overcome these problems
by contacting Microsoft.
There seems to be support for the screen reader for VSCode. But in
practice, I can't say it works.

Another problem is that NVDA cannot focus on content when I switch from
VSCode to another window.
I click the mouse, open the "application menu", I can't focus on NVDA.

Clearly write code with Notepad, you don't want to be deprived of
advanced tools. We have people who have never used an IDE, I respect
them. But it is also very nice to support advanced features.

In the meantime, I don't want a philosophical discussion, but I can't
see NVDA's future bright in Py2. Does the core team have any idea about
this?
It is not good for us to follow technology one step behind, take shelter
in a version that will end support and not try.
Obviously I haven't written any code for NVDA. I'm a Python encoder.
That's why I can't support him.
What are we going to do?
Do we have an idea to speed up the transition to py3 by editing a tool
like Nuitka for our own projects?

I'm definitely not writing it up. I just want to know where we're going.
I'm sure there's someone who thinks I'm thinking. I would like to know
what problems and solutions are.

Happy Days.





Re: Thunderbird and trash

Gene
 

That's good.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 3:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird and trash

Hi Adrian ang Gene,


I solved with a portable version, the 52, seems to be fine.

Thank you allIl 26/02/2019 19:06, ADRIAN POCOCK ha scritto:


Regards

Adriano


I sent another post about this to the wrong place sorry for that.


The below is from help and support for thunderbird which address the issue.

How can I configure compaction?

In the Tools | Options | Advanced | Network & Disk Space menu, you can:

  • disable automatic compaction (which is not recommended because your folders won't be regularly cleaned of deleted messages)
  • change the compaction threshold (for instance if you deal with a large volume of messages, you may use a larger threshold)


Re: Thunderbird and trash

Adriano Barbieri
 

Hi Adrian ang Gene,


I solved with a portable version, the 52, seems to be fine.

Thank you allIl 26/02/2019 19:06, ADRIAN POCOCK ha scritto:


Regards

Adriano


I sent another post about this to the wrong place sorry for that.


The below is from help and support for thunderbird which address the issue.

How can I configure compaction?

In the Tools | Options | Advanced | Network & Disk Space menu, you can:

  • disable automatic compaction (which is not recommended because your folders won't be regularly cleaned of deleted messages)
  • change the compaction threshold (for instance if you deal with a large volume of messages, you may use a larger threshold)


Re: Brave browser

Gene
 

Did you try the site with JAVA scripts disabled?  The site may not be useable, or fully useable, but you may be able to do what you want on it.  You can cause the music not to play in various ways as well, while having JAVA scripts enabled.  the choice is not between an add blocker or no add blocker.  there are other ways that may result in making difficult sites, because of advertising, reasonably useable.
Gene
----- original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

The question these days is will the ads be blocked in such a way as to still
allow access to the site. Many now seem to be able to see you have an ad
blocker and will not let you in till you turn it off or grease their palm
with  pieces of eight!

Now I'd be happy to  turn them off, but the big problem I'm sure we as blind
users have is that a very accessible site can be rendered unusable by
stupidly designed adverts. Yesterday I allowed them on one site to be
greeted by loud music and scrolling rubbish neither of which seemed to be in
any way letting me  use the site. I'm sure its not deliberate but if you do
not  take control of the advertising in the same way you do oas on site
design, don't be surprised when blind people  go elsewhere.
 Brian

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From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser


> Well, I haven't seen any ads at all in Brave, neither in Android nor in
> Windows.
>
> If there are, they are well hidden. And if they're hidden, I don't see the
> purpose of having them at all
>
>
> It's only fair that one should be wary.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Il 28/02/2019 04:45, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:
>>
>> Well its the latest chromium alternertive.
>>
>> FFull add blocking and extra security.
>>
>> review here.
>>
>> https://www.computerworld.com/article/3292619/web-browsers/the-brave-browser-basics-what-it-does-how-it-differs-from-rivals.html
>>
>> I do caution users, in the article link I pasted above the eventual plan
>> for brave is to replace all adds from other's websites and tracks with
>> its own adds and trackers or at least thats what I read.
>>
>> Some antimalware and security tools detect brave as malware though they
>> say its false.
>>
>> Reviews seem generally good now, but I am not sure.
>>
>> If this brouser is replacing adds with its own, there is no garantee that
>> eventually you trade a malware free environment with using another
>> echosystem, with its own adds, trackers, and malware thrown in.
>>
>> This is a really new project, its not the first chromium sourced brouser
>> and it will not be the last.
>>
>> One other thing to note, its not a main stay brouser like chrome,
>> firefox, ie and edge, so interface wize while it may be good, a supported
>> brouser that is supported is better than one which may have issues.
>>
>> Now saying that with nvda that probably doesn't matter as such because of
>> the fact nvda itself is basically a scripted program built using modern
>> techniques and using commen os access commands and apis.
>>
>> But Its probable that if you run something like dolphin stuff you won't
>> get access and its unlikely that it would be supported by jaws or
>> anything like that.
>>
>> The thing I don't care for is trading all the malware I have to deal with
>> now with eventually another person's adds.
>>
>> If I am ready to do this, I may as well uninstall my antimalware software
>> and turn off my firewall.
>>
>> Users do have glowing reviews right now but its new.
>>
>>
>> Now if you want to try it you probably won't have any issues doing so
>> however who knows.
>>
>> Ports come and go.
>>
>> It may have some big names developing it but look at piriform.
>>
>> CCleaner is a good program, it used to be really good till piriform went
>> with avast.
>>
>> Now ccleaner is its own malware, and sadly it does do malwareish things,
>> trying to have quickclean run, and a entire load of other things I have
>> to modify my ini file every day or so.
>>
>> Its interface or at least the main interface panel is total crap access
>> wize.
>>
>> And it comes with avast which is total crap access wize to.
>>
>> I used to use programs with dvdvideosoftware they used to have google
>> spyware in them and I don't care about google because I use that but
>> later it had conduit then opencandy, then a lot of other junk and I had
>> to get rid of it and reformat my system to get rid of all the extra
>> junkware.
>>
>> Sadly it seems to be the rage, any software that is bundled with any
>> software is pritty much malware because most of the time the user has not
>> requested that software so its malware.
>>
>> THats another issue with brave, it does not block google adds or google
>> trackers, so we know who is funding brave now.
>>
>> Now if brave got cash from doubleclick, yahoo adds and all the other add
>> makers to have their adds unblocked then we have a problem.
>>
>> I know that with waterfox I have full control, and I have blocked google
>> and all sort of extras.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 28/02/2019 11:12 AM, Gene wrote:
>>> If people do a Google or other search engine search for something like
>>> Brave browser review, they may find knowledgeable assessments of the
>>> browser.
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Dan Beaver <mailto:dbeaver888@...>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2019 4:09 PM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Brave browser
>>>
>>> How do we know this is a safe browser?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dan Beaver (KC4DOY)
>>
>
>
>



Re: SAPI 5 and One Core voices volume comparison?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Not sure but in the old speech platform voices, the precursor to the new one core ones it was quieter as well, I think its compression which is less, but Narrator may well be using some extra audio processing.
Currently do not have 10 here so cannot tell if its worse now than it used to be.
Indeed though many synths seem to have different volume logic and I never really understood the logic.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaffar Sidek" <jaffar.sidek10@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 1:32 AM
Subject: [nvda] SAPI 5 and One Core voices volume comparison?


Hi all. Is it just me? I noticed that there is quite a difference in the volumes of both the SAPI 5 and One Core volume outputs. The difference is quite marked in fact, me having to increase my speakers' volume quite a bit when I use NVDA with One Core Voices as compared to when using SAPI 5. Is this An NVDA Issue? because the one core voices sound comparatively louder when used with Narrator. Cheers!


Re: Facebook, comments and suggestions

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes but people want to use it on their puters. Cannot say I'm at all surprised at this. I gave up on this system years back for its constant changing and irritating emails.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Facebook, comments and suggestions


If you're using IOS, when you press enter or return, it apparently sends
the message.
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Re: Brave browser

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

The question these days is will the ads be blocked in such a way as to still allow access to the site. Many now seem to be able to see you have an ad blocker and will not let you in till you turn it off or grease their palm with pieces of eight!

Now I'd be happy to turn them off, but the big problem I'm sure we as blind users have is that a very accessible site can be rendered unusable by stupidly designed adverts. Yesterday I allowed them on one site to be greeted by loud music and scrolling rubbish neither of which seemed to be in any way letting me use the site. I'm sure its not deliberate but if you do not take control of the advertising in the same way you do oas on site design, don't be surprised when blind people go elsewhere.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser


Well, I haven't seen any ads at all in Brave, neither in Android nor in Windows.

If there are, they are well hidden. And if they're hidden, I don't see the purpose of having them at all


It's only fair that one should be wary.






Il 28/02/2019 04:45, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:

Well its the latest chromium alternertive.

FFull add blocking and extra security.

review here.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3292619/web-browsers/the-brave-browser-basics-what-it-does-how-it-differs-from-rivals.html

I do caution users, in the article link I pasted above the eventual plan for brave is to replace all adds from other's websites and tracks with its own adds and trackers or at least thats what I read.

Some antimalware and security tools detect brave as malware though they say its false.

Reviews seem generally good now, but I am not sure.

If this brouser is replacing adds with its own, there is no garantee that eventually you trade a malware free environment with using another echosystem, with its own adds, trackers, and malware thrown in.

This is a really new project, its not the first chromium sourced brouser and it will not be the last.

One other thing to note, its not a main stay brouser like chrome, firefox, ie and edge, so interface wize while it may be good, a supported brouser that is supported is better than one which may have issues.

Now saying that with nvda that probably doesn't matter as such because of the fact nvda itself is basically a scripted program built using modern techniques and using commen os access commands and apis.

But Its probable that if you run something like dolphin stuff you won't get access and its unlikely that it would be supported by jaws or anything like that.

The thing I don't care for is trading all the malware I have to deal with now with eventually another person's adds.

If I am ready to do this, I may as well uninstall my antimalware software and turn off my firewall.

Users do have glowing reviews right now but its new.


Now if you want to try it you probably won't have any issues doing so however who knows.

Ports come and go.

It may have some big names developing it but look at piriform.

CCleaner is a good program, it used to be really good till piriform went with avast.

Now ccleaner is its own malware, and sadly it does do malwareish things, trying to have quickclean run, and a entire load of other things I have to modify my ini file every day or so.

Its interface or at least the main interface panel is total crap access wize.

And it comes with avast which is total crap access wize to.

I used to use programs with dvdvideosoftware they used to have google spyware in them and I don't care about google because I use that but later it had conduit then opencandy, then a lot of other junk and I had to get rid of it and reformat my system to get rid of all the extra junkware.

Sadly it seems to be the rage, any software that is bundled with any software is pritty much malware because most of the time the user has not requested that software so its malware.

THats another issue with brave, it does not block google adds or google trackers, so we know who is funding brave now.

Now if brave got cash from doubleclick, yahoo adds and all the other add makers to have their adds unblocked then we have a problem.

I know that with waterfox I have full control, and I have blocked google and all sort of extras.



On 28/02/2019 11:12 AM, Gene wrote:
If people do a Google or other search engine search for something like Brave browser review, they may find knowledgeable assessments of the browser.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Dan Beaver <mailto:dbeaver888@...>
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2019 4:09 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Brave browser

How do we know this is a safe browser?



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Re: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice

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Oh if only one could actually do that.. The real world is not that simple, sadly. See my long post.
Brian

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From: "Brian Vogel" <@britechguy>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice


On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 05:30 PM, Cohn, Jonathan wrote:


I usually get at least 3 messages a week from this list that are
quarantined from my inbox. (including the one I am replying to). I almost
always press the ‘release” button, and I have never clicked “block”.
Even if you were to block, it is only if this action also carries with it the marking of a blocked message as spam that the problematic feedback loops come into play.

You might want to consider whitelisting anything that comes from an address that ends in groups.io in your own e-mail filters. It can save you having to keep releasing things. Notifying your e-mail service provider that things originating from groups.io are not spam or suspicious would be helpful, too.

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Re: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Could I just say that most of the time for me at least I only use pop3, and hence have no control over what virginmedia do. But when I do occasionally go on and look through IMAP, I do find some messages from lists and individuals in there every week. The marking as spam is not obvious but if you look at the headers you see bla bla.. spam score is xx content spam.
This means it never gets to pop 3. What I then do is go into Imap move them into inbox and then after a short time the pop3 delivers them to me again. its as if this kind of thing only sticks for around a couple of weeks though, and unfortunately having in the past tried to contact them they will not talk about how their spam filtering works as they say if I were a spammer they would be telling me how to get around it, making spam far more difficult to trap.
Now I think what you and others refer to is when a server at a mail list company gets on a spam list, Sadly unless you can send your message to every single list on every single list maker and delivery system. there will be occasions when they get a listing. this is when the company sends an email telling you it cannot deliver mail.
Because this server is used by all lists it is possibly somebody elsewhere who has triggered the black listing.
There is I am sure a lot of grey listing going on to try to stop spam getting to lists whereby the first attempt to deliver is always refused in case its a spam boted machine using the infected users address book, but even then some bot software is getting clever.

Thus do check the spam if you have the ability to do so, but we may have to live with the odd problem cropping up we have no control over.
I posted this directly to the list as I wanted to pass on what I had found out over the years but do not want it to turn into a discussion filling up the list. I just felt it had to be said.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <@britechguy>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 5:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice


Hello All,

You can consider this my first formal communication as group moderator, and I'm hoping that it will help not only the group as a whole but Groups.io as a whole, too.

First, let me say, that I know that many of you who've experienced this have not done this marking yourself. If, however, you did, and you did it intentionally: Please STOP!! There are all sorts of mechanisms in place these days behind the scenes that feed information about messages marked by users as spam up to their e-mail service providers, that then gets shared among e-mail service providers, to create spam filters. This is absolutely marvelous when messages are marked correctly, but if non-spam gets marked, then non-spam starts to get identified as spam by the e-mail service providers, leading everyone to have things blocked that they'd rather be getting.

If you are not intentionally marking anything as spam, but are getting a message from Groups.io saying that you have been unsubscribed for marking a message as spam, this means that your own e-mail service provider is doing that marking, which is not a good thing. Thus, I'm asking you to please make the effort to contact your e-mail service provider and ask them to remove anything that comes from any groups.io address from their spam filters. The only way anyone should be getting messages from groups.io is if they went to the effort to subscribe, and by definition subscription e-mail lists cannot be spam. You may get messages you don't want, and if they're few and far between, then delete them, but don't mark them as spam.

If you are on any Groups.io group where traffic is substantial, and you don't want to deal with individual messages, you can change your subscription to digest to cut down on your traffic or use a number of controls provided to really limit what you're going to see from Groups.io for a given group. I will post the instructions on what exists, and how to use it, here again now:

*Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io ( https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1B941pSg2OCRKGukRg1d5w7nwu8wJLUaK ) *



There has been a lot of recent conversation on a couple of the administrators groups about people being unsubscribed for having marked messages as spam, even when they personally have not done so. I wanted you all to know why this is happening when you have not done any marking and what you can do to at least try to educate your e-mail service provider about Groups.io messages not being spam.
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Re: Brave browser

Mallard
 

Ok, thanks for warning us.


Whenever that happens, I'll dump it. For now it's a great browser, fast and clean.


By the way, I was able to buy my dog's food from Zooplus, which I couldn't do with Firefox, because it didn't let me activate buttons and links on that site, while is quite a bit slower.


I'll be on the lookout for any undesired behaviours and report them, if any.


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 28/02/2019 08:18, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:
No adds right now, but the framework is there, eventually brave will have adds in it from them.



On 28/02/2019 7:42 PM, Mallard wrote:
Well, I haven't seen any ads at all in Brave, neither in Android nor in Windows.

If there are, they are well hidden. And if they're hidden, I don't see the purpose of having them at all


It's only fair that one should be wary.






Il 28/02/2019 04:45, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:

Well its the latest chromium alternertive.

FFull add blocking and extra security.

review here.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3292619/web-browsers/the-brave-browser-basics-what-it-does-how-it-differs-from-rivals.html

I do caution users, in the article link I pasted above the eventual plan for brave is to replace all adds from other's websites and tracks with its own adds and trackers or at least thats what I read.

Some antimalware and security tools detect brave as malware though they say its false.

Reviews seem generally good now, but I am not sure.

If this brouser is replacing adds with its own, there is no garantee that eventually you trade a malware free environment with using another echosystem, with its own adds, trackers, and malware thrown in.

This is a really new project, its not the first chromium sourced brouser and it will not be the last.

One other thing to note, its not a main stay brouser like chrome, firefox, ie and edge, so interface wize while it may be good, a supported brouser that is supported is better than one which may have issues.

Now saying that with nvda that probably doesn't matter as such because of the fact nvda itself is basically a scripted program built using modern techniques and using commen os access commands and apis.

But Its probable that if you run something like dolphin stuff you won't get access and its unlikely that it would be supported by jaws or anything like that.

The thing I don't care for is trading all the malware I have to deal with now with eventually another person's adds.

If I am ready to do this, I may as well uninstall my antimalware software and turn off my firewall.

Users do have glowing reviews right now but its new.


Now if you want to try it you probably won't have any issues doing so however who knows.

Ports come and go.

It may have some big names developing it but look at piriform.

CCleaner is a good program, it used to be really good till piriform went with avast.

Now ccleaner is its own malware, and sadly it does do malwareish things, trying to have quickclean run, and a entire load of other things I have to modify my ini file every day or so.

Its interface or at least the main interface panel is total crap access wize.

And it comes with avast which is total crap access wize to.

I used to use programs with dvdvideosoftware they used to have google spyware in them and I don't care about google because I use that but later it had conduit then opencandy, then a lot of other junk and I had to get rid of it and reformat my system to get rid of all the extra junkware.

Sadly it seems to be the rage, any software that is bundled with any software is pritty much malware because most of the time the user has not requested that software so its malware.

THats another issue with brave, it does not block google adds or google trackers, so we know who is funding brave now.

Now if brave got cash from doubleclick, yahoo adds and all the other add makers to have their adds unblocked then we have a problem.

I know that with waterfox I have full control, and I have blocked google and all sort of extras.



On 28/02/2019 11:12 AM, Gene wrote:
If people do a Google or other search engine search for something like Brave browser review, they may find knowledgeable assessments of the browser.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Dan Beaver <mailto:dbeaver888@...>
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2019 4:09 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Brave browser

How do we know this is a safe browser?



--
Dan Beaver (KC4DOY)



Re: Brave browser

 

No adds right now, but the framework is there, eventually brave will have adds in it from them.

On 28/02/2019 7:42 PM, Mallard wrote:
Well, I haven't seen any ads at all in Brave, neither in Android nor in Windows.

If there are, they are well hidden. And if they're hidden, I don't see the purpose of having them at all


It's only fair that one should be wary.






Il 28/02/2019 04:45, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:

Well its the latest chromium alternertive.

FFull add blocking and extra security.

review here.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3292619/web-browsers/the-brave-browser-basics-what-it-does-how-it-differs-from-rivals.html

I do caution users, in the article link I pasted above the eventual plan for brave is to replace all adds from other's websites and tracks with its own adds and trackers or at least thats what I read.

Some antimalware and security tools detect brave as malware though they say its false.

Reviews seem generally good now, but I am not sure.

If this brouser is replacing adds with its own, there is no garantee that eventually you trade a malware free environment with using another echosystem, with its own adds, trackers, and malware thrown in.

This is a really new project, its not the first chromium sourced brouser and it will not be the last.

One other thing to note, its not a main stay brouser like chrome, firefox, ie and edge, so interface wize while it may be good, a supported brouser that is supported is better than one which may have issues.

Now saying that with nvda that probably doesn't matter as such because of the fact nvda itself is basically a scripted program built using modern techniques and using commen os access commands and apis.

But Its probable that if you run something like dolphin stuff you won't get access and its unlikely that it would be supported by jaws or anything like that.

The thing I don't care for is trading all the malware I have to deal with now with eventually another person's adds.

If I am ready to do this, I may as well uninstall my antimalware software and turn off my firewall.

Users do have glowing reviews right now but its new.


Now if you want to try it you probably won't have any issues doing so however who knows.

Ports come and go.

It may have some big names developing it but look at piriform.

CCleaner is a good program, it used to be really good till piriform went with avast.

Now ccleaner is its own malware, and sadly it does do malwareish things, trying to have quickclean run, and a entire load of other things I have to modify my ini file every day or so.

Its interface or at least the main interface panel is total crap access wize.

And it comes with avast which is total crap access wize to.

I used to use programs with dvdvideosoftware they used to have google spyware in them and I don't care about google because I use that but later it had conduit then opencandy, then a lot of other junk and I had to get rid of it and reformat my system to get rid of all the extra junkware.

Sadly it seems to be the rage, any software that is bundled with any software is pritty much malware because most of the time the user has not requested that software so its malware.

THats another issue with brave, it does not block google adds or google trackers, so we know who is funding brave now.

Now if brave got cash from doubleclick, yahoo adds and all the other add makers to have their adds unblocked then we have a problem.

I know that with waterfox I have full control, and I have blocked google and all sort of extras.



On 28/02/2019 11:12 AM, Gene wrote:
If people do a Google or other search engine search for something like Brave browser review, they may find knowledgeable assessments of the browser.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Dan Beaver <mailto:dbeaver888@...>
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2019 4:09 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Brave browser

How do we know this is a safe browser?



--
Dan Beaver (KC4DOY)