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The NVDA Chat Subgroup

 

This information needs the occasional bump and repetition, so I'm giving it one:

For those who really wish to chat about any topic not directly NVDA-related with people they know from the NVDA Group via a list, you can subscribe to the chat subgroup.  Here are the addresses:

Since the Chat Group is really just beginning to ramp up, I'd even encourage you to make "See Chat" posts to the main group as the signal flare that you're asking about something there, or sharing information there.   For example, "See Chat: Looking for Advice on TalkBack from those who use it," after you've created a topic there to let people know that the topic exists and to take a look.   It then allows the conversation to be as freewheeling as the participants wish in the Chat subgroup.
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Re: how to know when a thread is locked

 

Em 28/02/2019 21:15, ADRIAN POCOCK escreveu:
You mentioned a subgroup, is there just one or are there many and if so is there a clearly labelled list of them and if there is one whats its name.
Hi Adrian,
See this link, it contains all subgroups to this list.

Cheers,

Re: how to know when a thread is locked

ADRIAN POCOCK
 

hi Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

Do you see the irony ....

Well you have to laugh.

It does seem to be quite a discouraging way of doing things.

Some things are not quite as clear cut as others such as you could say the discussion of social media aps etc is not directly connected to nvda for example.

You mentioned a subgroup, is there just one or are there many and if so is there a clearly labelled list of them and if there is one whats its name.

Best Adrian Pocock


On 28/02/2019 23:12, Brian Vogel wrote:
Adrian,

          Quite literally, you don't, unless you've read through the topic and the person (moderator or group owner) has stated they are locking the topic.   If you are talking about the POP topic, I locked it and stated that I was locking it in the message I added to it just before doing so.

          That's one of the disadvantages of e-mail lists when it comes to locked topics.  There's no lock icon as there is on the web interface that shows that a topic is locked and no other way to communicate that information other than to state it in a message immediately prior to locking.

          As a general note to the readership at large, when the Group Owner of any group suggests a topic be closed, that should never be taken as an invitation to open a new topic on the same subject.  It's a clear indicator that the subject itself is not felt to be suitable to the venue in question.   Since the NVDA group does have a chat subgroup, and it seems to have picked up some new "regulars" recently, I would encourage those with topics that may be technical, but not tied in to using NVDA in any meaningful way, to start those topics on the chat subgroup.

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Re: Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

Rui Fontes
 

Abbyy FineReader, OmniPage and KNFB Reader are some of the best options...

Rui Fontes


Às 21:52 de 28/02/2019, Kwork escreveu:

I'm looking for a good and NVDA accessible OCR program that will work on jpg and pdf files. I've heard that ABBYY FineReader has been recommended in the past, but wondered what would fill my needs now. I don't have a physical scanner, so that's not a consideration at this time. Thank you.
Travis

Re: backing up thunderbird

Brice Mijares
 

Thank you for the info.

On 2/28/2019 2:36 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
it is a program for backing up everything in any Mozilla program and then you can restore it say on a clean install and have all your stuff like address books and so on in mail.   and bookmarks. in your firefox.
On 28/02/2019 22:29, Brice Mijares wrote:
Would you explain what this most backup is? thank you.

On 2/28/2019 2:14 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,   the easy way is download moz backup  and install it this will back up everything I have used it for years. download link from my one drive folder below.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ame5fFtwuKO3zFyN0iTjnA0hiJe3

On 28/02/2019 21:07, Annette Moore wrote:
ron, does this save all of your configuration, as well as your messages? I care more about the configuration than about actually keeping any of my messages because it took about an hour for me to get everything I wanted/needed configured to the way I needed it sinceI have three email accounts. I have the instructions saved that Richard Wels gave me, but shoot, if I could back all that up and not have to go through that again with any clean install of thunderbird on a future new computer, that would be great!

Annette

On 2/28/2019 1:13 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


This probably varies from mail program to mail program, but when using Thunderbird, you can back up almost everything by doing the following.


1.  Close Thunderbird.

2.  From the run dialogue, type %appdata% and press enter.

3.  You are in the roaming folder.  This folder contains all the application data, settings, address book and e-mails from Thunderbird.

4.  navigate to the folder named Thunderbird and when highlighted, press control + C to copy that folder.

5.  Then paste this folder onto a thumb drive, external hard drive or some similar device and you have everything backed up.

6.  Now if for some reason, you need a fresh install of Thunderbird or if you get a new computer and use Thunderbird, you can simply install Thunderbird and navigate to the Roaming folder as described in steps 1 through 3 above and paste the contents of the Thunderbird folder that you have copied into the Roaming folder.


I do this every few days to keep the mail and settings of Thunderbird backed up.


On 2/28/2019 1:14 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
100% agreed. Very, very well said, indeed.

Now I definitely would like to know how I can backup my messages. I never did it before just because I never knew it was even possible. Help me with this, please?

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 28/02/2019 15:09, Travis Siegel escreveu:

Wishing something would go away because it doesn't fit your definition of what is useful is just plain silly.

If that were the case, then I wish narrator would go away, I whish jaws wold go away, I wish windows would go away. Hell, I wish microsoft would go away.

\See, it serves no purpose.

There are people who use pop3, and it works just fine for them. There are definitely use cases where pop3 is a better fit than imap, and there are use cases where imap is clearly the better alternative.  Wishing one or the other would go away is just ignorance talking.

If you don't wish to use it, then don't, but that doesn't mean that others who are fully aware of what they're getting, and do wish to use it shouldn't do so.  I for one much prefer pop3, for several reasons, including disk usage, security, issues, ease of backup, and others.

When folks talk about folks loosing years worth of emails because they used pop3, my question is did those folks ever backup their mail? I'm thinking no.  Sure, it's not the easiest thing to move mail from one email client to another, but you're just as likely to loose all your imap messages if your email provider goes bye-bye as well, and nobody here can tell me that's never happened.

It's six of one, and half dozen of the other, use what works for you, and allow others to use what works for them.


On 2/28/2019 12:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

With my old internet provider, I had a pop 3 account. After I got to a certain amount of messages, my email started bouncing. I don't think people are using pop so much anymore but I could be wrong. I wish pop 3 would go away too.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Sarah k Alawami
*Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 8:27 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

Yes you can. I have about 200 thousand messages on gmail's server and it doesn't really complain at me. You can also clean them up using iMap as well. I use iMap and wish that pop 3 would just go away and die. All the email and attachments are backed up in the cloud and no matter what device as stated you are on you can always get your mail. I lost over 3 years worth of messages once so am not going back to pop3.

On 28 Feb 2019, at 7:49, Gene wrote:

    I don't use IMAP so others can answer the question.  But I'm
    sure you can delete messages if you wish. As I understand it,
    you can keep a large number on the server if you wish.

    Gene

    ----- Original Message -----

    *From:*marcio via Groups.Io
    <mailto:marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>

    *Sent:*Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:37 AM

    *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

    *Subject:*Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for
    Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

    Em 28/02/2019 12:34, Gene escreveu:

        unless you want a permanent collection of all your received
        messages off site.

    Does it means that using IMAP I won't be able to delete any
    message?

    Cheers,

    Marcio
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Re: Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

Kwork
 

Thank you adrian. I've heard of OmniPage, and remember it being the defacto for many before Finereader came along.

All suggestions are welcome.

Travis

On 2/28/2019 3:13 PM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

Hi Kwork


One outstanding piece of software is OmniPage Ultimate.

It also has the ability to convert a document into mp3.

Depends if you want to spend a lot or not, if you are going to use it a lot then maybe or use an android phone using adobe and acrobat apps together which does work well but a bit of a learning curve.


Hope this helps a bit.

Best Adrian Pocock.

On 28/02/2019 21:52, Kwork wrote:
I'm looking for a good and NVDA accessible OCR program that will work on jpg and pdf files. I've heard that ABBYY FineReader has been recommended in the past, but wondered what would fill my needs now. I don't have a physical scanner, so that's not a consideration at this time. Thank you.

Travis




Re: Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

Kwork
 

Yes. Thank you. That's an option though I'm also for finding a program to do that locally to save the uploading/downloading of files to an external server.

On 2/28/2019 3:06 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


Try the following website i have not used it for a long time but was very accessible with nvda when i used it. It will do the formats you want and or convert them. I am sure it could ocr 2 in the document and email it back to you.


it can be found at https://www.robobraille.org/

It does the job well. You do not need a scanner.


hope it helps.


Gene nz


On 1/03/2019 10:52 AM, Kwork wrote:
I'm looking for a good and NVDA accessible OCR program that will work on jpg and pdf files. I've heard that ABBYY FineReader has been recommended in the past, but wondered what would fill my needs now. I don't have a physical scanner, so that's not a consideration at this time. Thank you.

Travis




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Re: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice

 

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 06:03 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Deleting junk messages is no different from deleting nonjunk messages, it's only the action of marking them spam that (sometimes) has the undesired result of making lots of other servers mark them as spam as well.
That depends entirely on the e-mail client.   It makes me want to scream that Thunderbird, as much as I love it, decided to use the term Junk for what is more generally known as Spam.  It's built-in junk filtering also marks junk as spam, because the two are considered synonymous in that particular client.  What they did do, which is only helpful if you're sighted, is to make their "junk flame icon" attach to the spam folder for IMAP accounts where one exists.  At one time it didn't, which made things entirely confusing.

So, if you're a Thunderbird user, Junk and Spam are one and the same.

Trash can be deleted under Thunderbird, WLM (any version I know of), and Outlook (again, any version) without any issue.  Those messages are not considered to be Spam.
 
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Re: Brave browser

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

the program files is for 64-bit programs, and the x86 program files is for 32-bit programs.  This has already been stated, but then again, the opposite has also been stated.

https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch001266.htm

will clear up any lingering doubts.

I actually looked for a page stating this on the microsoft site itself, but couldn't locate one that didn't include all kinds of irrelevant extras along with the required information, so this is the best I could find.

On 2/28/2019 5:06 PM, James AUSTIN wrote:
Hi

I could be wrong about this so please correct me somebody if so, but I think that the suffix X 86 for program files points to user installed applications. The original program files points to applications installed by Windows. However in most installation wizards I have used you can choose where to install files.

Best wishes
James
On 28 Feb 2019, at 21:53, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi, I installed the 64 bit butt yet it is in program files x86 and yes I am sure I have the 64 bit version. at least when I went to the download page it said 64 bit installer. any ideas anyone else had this?

On 28/02/2019 06:42, Mallard wrote:
Well, I haven't seen any ads at all in Brave, neither in Android nor in Windows.
If there are, they are well hidden. And if they're hidden, I don't see the purpose of having them at all
It's only fair that one should be wary.
Il 28/02/2019 04:45, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:
Well its the latest chromium alternertive.

FFull add blocking and extra security.

review here.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3292619/web-browsers/the-brave-browser-basics-what-it-does-how-it-differs-from-rivals.html

I do caution users, in the article link I pasted above the eventual plan for brave is to replace all adds from other's websites and tracks with its own adds and trackers or at least thats what I read.

Some antimalware and security tools detect brave as malware though they say its false.

Reviews seem generally good now, but I am not sure.

If this brouser is replacing adds with its own, there is no garantee that eventually you trade a malware free environment with using another echosystem, with its own adds, trackers, and malware thrown in.

This is a really new project, its not the first chromium sourced brouser and it will not be the last.

One other thing to note, its not a main stay brouser like chrome, firefox, ie and edge, so interface wize while it may be good, a supported brouser that is supported is better than one which may have issues.

Now saying that with nvda that probably doesn't matter as such because of the fact nvda itself is basically a scripted program built using modern techniques and using commen os access commands and apis.

But Its probable that if you run something like dolphin stuff you won't get access and its unlikely that it would be supported by jaws or anything like that.

The thing I don't care for is trading all the malware I have to deal with now with eventually another person's adds.

If I am ready to do this, I may as well uninstall my antimalware software and turn off my firewall.

Users do have glowing reviews right now but its new.


Now if you want to try it you probably won't have any issues doing so however who knows.

Ports come and go.

It may have some big names developing it but look at piriform.

CCleaner is a good program, it used to be really good till piriform went with avast.

Now ccleaner is its own malware, and sadly it does do malwareish things, trying to have quickclean run, and a entire load of other things I have to modify my ini file every day or so.

Its interface or at least the main interface panel is total crap access wize.

And it comes with avast which is total crap access wize to.

I used to use programs with dvdvideosoftware they used to have google spyware in them and I don't care about google because I use that but later it had conduit then opencandy, then a lot of other junk and I had to get rid of it and reformat my system to get rid of all the extra junkware.

Sadly it seems to be the rage, any software that is bundled with any software is pritty much malware because most of the time the user has not requested that software so its malware.

THats another issue with brave, it does not block google adds or google trackers, so we know who is funding brave now.

Now if brave got cash from doubleclick, yahoo adds and all the other add makers to have their adds unblocked then we have a problem.

I know that with waterfox I have full control, and I have blocked google and all sort of extras.



On 28/02/2019 11:12 AM, Gene wrote:
If people do a Google or other search engine search for something like Brave browser review, they may find knowledgeable assessments of the browser.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Dan Beaver <mailto:dbeaver888@...>
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2019 4:09 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Brave browser

How do we know this is a safe browser?



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Re: how to know when a thread is locked

 

Adrian,

          Quite literally, you don't, unless you've read through the topic and the person (moderator or group owner) has stated they are locking the topic.   If you are talking about the POP topic, I locked it and stated that I was locking it in the message I added to it just before doing so.

          That's one of the disadvantages of e-mail lists when it comes to locked topics.  There's no lock icon as there is on the web interface that shows that a topic is locked and no other way to communicate that information other than to state it in a message immediately prior to locking.

          As a general note to the readership at large, when the Group Owner of any group suggests a topic be closed, that should never be taken as an invitation to open a new topic on the same subject.  It's a clear indicator that the subject itself is not felt to be suitable to the venue in question.   Since the NVDA group does have a chat subgroup, and it seems to have picked up some new "regulars" recently, I would encourage those with topics that may be technical, but not tied in to using NVDA in any meaningful way, to start those topics on the chat subgroup.

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Re: Brave browser

JM Casey
 

Vivaldi is now also a Chromium-based browser I believe; not sure if it started that way as I think it was originally designed using code from Opera.

I have it installed now but am also not using it as a primary browser?

What was the difficulty in uninstalling?

 

 

Your idea about examining the Brave source code is good in theory but probably far beyond most users – admittedly, myself included. Of course I understand the concept of open-source and think in principal it’s a great idea.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: February 28, 2019 5:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

When I tried it several months ago, it worked, though it didn't work well enough to make it a primary browser.  I did have one heck of a time getting it uninstalled though. 

This brave browser is based on chromium, which means it's opensource, so if you're concerned about security, go look at the source code, and set your mind to rest.

On 2/28/2019 4:28 PM, Andy wrote:



Vivaldi!  What a neat name for a browser!

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 12:30 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

Indeed, there are many other Chromium browsers out there.

Which reminds me, has anybody else taken Vivaldi for a spin?

I love how customisable it is but so far my screen-reader experience is a bit cluttered, and not all controls behave as I think they should.

It should be tweakable though.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: February 27, 2019 10:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

Well its the latest chromium alternertive.

FFull add blocking and extra security.

review here.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3292619/web-browsers/the-brave-browser-basics-what-it-does-how-it-differs-from-rivals.html

I do caution users, in the article link I pasted above the eventual plan for brave is to replace all adds from other's websites and tracks with its own adds and trackers or at least thats what I read.

Some antimalware and security tools detect brave as malware though they say its false.

Reviews seem generally good now, but I am not sure.

If this brouser is replacing adds with its own, there is no garantee that eventually you trade a malware free environment with using another echosystem, with its own adds, trackers, and malware thrown in.

This is a really new project, its not the first chromium sourced brouser and it will not be the last.

One other thing to note, its not a main stay brouser like chrome, firefox, ie and edge, so interface wize while it may be good, a supported brouser that is supported is better than one which may have issues.

Now saying that with nvda that probably doesn't matter as such because of the fact nvda itself is basically a scripted program built using modern techniques and using commen os access commands and apis.

But Its probable that if you run something like dolphin stuff you won't get access and its unlikely that it would be supported by jaws or anything like that.

The thing I don't care for is trading all the malware I have to deal with now with eventually another person's adds.

If I am ready to do this, I may as well uninstall my antimalware software and turn off my firewall.

Users do have glowing reviews right now but its new.

 

Now if you want to try it you probably won't have any issues doing so however who knows.

Ports come and go.

It may have some big names developing it but look at piriform.

CCleaner is a good program, it used to be really good till piriform went with avast.

Now ccleaner is its own malware, and sadly it does do malwareish things, trying to have quickclean run, and a entire load of other things I have to modify my ini file every day or so.

Its interface or at least the main interface panel is total crap access wize.

And it comes with avast which is total crap access wize to.

I used to use programs with dvdvideosoftware they used to have google spyware in them and I don't care about google because I use that but later it had conduit then opencandy, then a lot of other junk and I had to get rid of it and reformat my system to get rid of all the extra junkware.

Sadly it seems to be the rage, any software that is bundled with any software is pritty much malware because most of the time the user has not requested that software so its malware.

THats another issue with brave, it does not block google adds or google trackers, so we know who is funding brave now.

Now if brave got cash from doubleclick, yahoo adds and all the other add makers to have their adds unblocked then we have a problem.

I know that with waterfox I have full control, and I have blocked google and all sort of extras.

 

 

On 28/02/2019 11:12 AM, Gene wrote:

If people do a Google or other search engine search for something like Brave browser review, they may find knowledgeable assessments of the browser. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 4:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

How do we know this is a safe browser?

 

 

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Re: Brave browser

JM Casey
 

I really want to love it; it’s the most customisable browser I think I have ever seen and that’s why I think it could possibly be made a little more accessible, but as yet I’m not quite sure what needs to be done.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: February 28, 2019 4:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

Vivaldi!  What a neat name for a browser!

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 12:30 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

Indeed, there are many other Chromium browsers out there.

Which reminds me, has anybody else taken Vivaldi for a spin?

I love how customisable it is but so far my screen-reader experience is a bit cluttered, and not all controls behave as I think they should.

It should be tweakable though.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: February 27, 2019 10:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

Well its the latest chromium alternertive.

FFull add blocking and extra security.

review here.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3292619/web-browsers/the-brave-browser-basics-what-it-does-how-it-differs-from-rivals.html

I do caution users, in the article link I pasted above the eventual plan for brave is to replace all adds from other's websites and tracks with its own adds and trackers or at least thats what I read.

Some antimalware and security tools detect brave as malware though they say its false.

Reviews seem generally good now, but I am not sure.

If this brouser is replacing adds with its own, there is no garantee that eventually you trade a malware free environment with using another echosystem, with its own adds, trackers, and malware thrown in.

This is a really new project, its not the first chromium sourced brouser and it will not be the last.

One other thing to note, its not a main stay brouser like chrome, firefox, ie and edge, so interface wize while it may be good, a supported brouser that is supported is better than one which may have issues.

Now saying that with nvda that probably doesn't matter as such because of the fact nvda itself is basically a scripted program built using modern techniques and using commen os access commands and apis.

But Its probable that if you run something like dolphin stuff you won't get access and its unlikely that it would be supported by jaws or anything like that.

The thing I don't care for is trading all the malware I have to deal with now with eventually another person's adds.

If I am ready to do this, I may as well uninstall my antimalware software and turn off my firewall.

Users do have glowing reviews right now but its new.

 

Now if you want to try it you probably won't have any issues doing so however who knows.

Ports come and go.

It may have some big names developing it but look at piriform.

CCleaner is a good program, it used to be really good till piriform went with avast.

Now ccleaner is its own malware, and sadly it does do malwareish things, trying to have quickclean run, and a entire load of other things I have to modify my ini file every day or so.

Its interface or at least the main interface panel is total crap access wize.

And it comes with avast which is total crap access wize to.

I used to use programs with dvdvideosoftware they used to have google spyware in them and I don't care about google because I use that but later it had conduit then opencandy, then a lot of other junk and I had to get rid of it and reformat my system to get rid of all the extra junkware.

Sadly it seems to be the rage, any software that is bundled with any software is pritty much malware because most of the time the user has not requested that software so its malware.

THats another issue with brave, it does not block google adds or google trackers, so we know who is funding brave now.

Now if brave got cash from doubleclick, yahoo adds and all the other add makers to have their adds unblocked then we have a problem.

I know that with waterfox I have full control, and I have blocked google and all sort of extras.

 

 

On 28/02/2019 11:12 AM, Gene wrote:

If people do a Google or other search engine search for something like Brave browser review, they may find knowledgeable assessments of the browser. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 4:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

How do we know this is a safe browser?

 

 

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how to know when a thread is locked

ADRIAN POCOCK
 

I posted to a thread and had a bounce saying it had been locked by mod.


How do we know when a subject had been locked so we do not waist time posting.

Adrian Pocock

Re: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

It's not deleting junk mail that causes the problems, it's marking messages as spam that aren't that causes the problem.  If you mark messages as spam that aren't truly spam, then that will (sometimes) filter back upstream to your email provider, and out  to other providers who share configurations, so that it eventually gets marked as spam for everyone using the same system, and that's what's being discussed here.  Deleting junk messages is no different from deleting nonjunk messages, it's only the action of marking them spam that (sometimes) has the undesired result of making lots of other servers mark them as spam as well.

On 2/28/2019 5:22 PM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

Hi

The discussion here has been enlightening to me, I am relatively new to newsgroups and forums and i didn't realise that deleting junk mail could cause such problems.  I must hold my hands up, I did it.  Is emptying the junk folder all at once causing the same problems.


Best Adrian Pocock

On 28/02/2019 14:22, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 03:45 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Oh if only one could actually do that.. The real world is not that simple, sadly. See my long post.
One can actually do that in a great many cases, thus it is important that when one can, one does.   The real world is never simple.   Using POP in this day and age is unwise (though that is a separate issue of its own).
 
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Re: backing up thunderbird

Curtis Delzer
 

I use Becky! mail, it does and I can have all my configurations, filters,
folders structure, automatically backed up every night using open drive.
I had to restore, re-claiming all 29000 or messages without loss of a
thing, and not wasting space on my email provider who limits on disc
storage if I don't claim the mail. :)
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San Bernardino, CA

Re: Brave browser

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

When I tried it several months ago, it worked, though it didn't work well enough to make it a primary browser.  I did have one heck of a time getting it uninstalled though. 

This brave browser is based on chromium, which means it's opensource, so if you're concerned about security, go look at the source code, and set your mind to rest.

On 2/28/2019 4:28 PM, Andy wrote:

Vivaldi!  What a neat name for a browser!
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

Indeed, there are many other Chromium browsers out there.

Which reminds me, has anybody else taken Vivaldi for a spin?

I love how customisable it is but so far my screen-reader experience is a bit cluttered, and not all controls behave as I think they should.

It should be tweakable though.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: February 27, 2019 10:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

Well its the latest chromium alternertive.

FFull add blocking and extra security.

review here.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3292619/web-browsers/the-brave-browser-basics-what-it-does-how-it-differs-from-rivals.html

I do caution users, in the article link I pasted above the eventual plan for brave is to replace all adds from other's websites and tracks with its own adds and trackers or at least thats what I read.

Some antimalware and security tools detect brave as malware though they say its false.

Reviews seem generally good now, but I am not sure.

If this brouser is replacing adds with its own, there is no garantee that eventually you trade a malware free environment with using another echosystem, with its own adds, trackers, and malware thrown in.

This is a really new project, its not the first chromium sourced brouser and it will not be the last.

One other thing to note, its not a main stay brouser like chrome, firefox, ie and edge, so interface wize while it may be good, a supported brouser that is supported is better than one which may have issues.

Now saying that with nvda that probably doesn't matter as such because of the fact nvda itself is basically a scripted program built using modern techniques and using commen os access commands and apis.

But Its probable that if you run something like dolphin stuff you won't get access and its unlikely that it would be supported by jaws or anything like that.

The thing I don't care for is trading all the malware I have to deal with now with eventually another person's adds.

If I am ready to do this, I may as well uninstall my antimalware software and turn off my firewall.

Users do have glowing reviews right now but its new.

 

Now if you want to try it you probably won't have any issues doing so however who knows.

Ports come and go.

It may have some big names developing it but look at piriform.

CCleaner is a good program, it used to be really good till piriform went with avast.

Now ccleaner is its own malware, and sadly it does do malwareish things, trying to have quickclean run, and a entire load of other things I have to modify my ini file every day or so.

Its interface or at least the main interface panel is total crap access wize.

And it comes with avast which is total crap access wize to.

I used to use programs with dvdvideosoftware they used to have google spyware in them and I don't care about google because I use that but later it had conduit then opencandy, then a lot of other junk and I had to get rid of it and reformat my system to get rid of all the extra junkware.

Sadly it seems to be the rage, any software that is bundled with any software is pritty much malware because most of the time the user has not requested that software so its malware.

THats another issue with brave, it does not block google adds or google trackers, so we know who is funding brave now.

Now if brave got cash from doubleclick, yahoo adds and all the other add makers to have their adds unblocked then we have a problem.

I know that with waterfox I have full control, and I have blocked google and all sort of extras.

 

 

On 28/02/2019 11:12 AM, Gene wrote:

If people do a Google or other search engine search for something like Brave browser review, they may find knowledgeable assessments of the browser. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 4:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

How do we know this is a safe browser?

 

 

-- 
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Virus-free. www.avast.com

locked Re: [POP] Saving messages from an account to export to another and one more question

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Of course, theree's nothing wrong with having both pop3 and imap accounts pointing to the same account, just leave the pop3 one account disabled until you wish to clear the messages out of the imap server. in that case, you can then activate the pop3 account, download the messages, and go back to using imap for everyday mail. 

There's loads of advantages to imap from an organizational standpoint, and that's why so many people like imap as a solution, because you can do things with it that can't be done with vanila pop3, though most email programs allow you to create mailboxes and save messages in them anyway, even via pop3 delivery.  The main difference between pop3 and imap is that imap places the management on the server, whereas pop3 places any organizational structure on the email client, and since many folks aren't well versed in their email program's capabilities, pop3 is seen as a bad solution.

I have several folders where I place messages I want to organize, and it's a simple matter to copy a message to another folder for future reference. 

Imap and pop3 are both email delivery protocols, which one you use depends heavily on what capabilities you need, how familiar you are with your email program, and how much effort you want to put into keeping your email organized as desired.  I'd not say one protocol is better than the other, both have their uses, and what works best for me isn't necessarily what works best for you.

On 2/28/2019 2:07 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi,
As the mod kindly asked to the old thread about POP to be closed I'm starting this new one to ask it.

When I ask for a way to backup my messages, actually, I'm talking about saving them.
Let me try to explain it better.
I use POP and I delete most of the messages right after reading/answering themm. However, there are those that I want to keep (and I do), some of them way behind from a month.
What I want, then, is to save these messages in a way that I could put them back on my other profile that I'm thinking about creating with IMAP.

I also would like to know if there's any difference regarding how Thunderbird deal with these messages using IMAP instead of POP. There'll be some difference when I open a message to read, to see its attachments and such?

Thanks in advance :)
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locked Re: [POP] Saving messages from an account to export to another and one more question

 

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 05:36 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
It's considerably easier to hit that quota with imap than it is with pop3, since pop3 takes the messages off the server by default, thereby clearing space for new messages, imap doesn't do this.
Er, no.  Really, and Sarah's one-person example of having over 200K messages saved shows this.

Since most people can and do delete messages regularly the probability of filling up any e-mail server these days, whether using POP or IMAP is incredibly remote for any individual user.

I am going to lock this topic after this post.  If it's to continue, it should do so on the chat subgroup.   I had no idea this thing would take on the life it has, and had I known I would have moved it to chat on my first reply.

This is not even vaguely NVDA related, though it is a topic worthy of discussion, but not on the main group.
 
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Re: Brave browser

Richard Wells
 

64-bit applications install in c:\Program Files. 32-bit applications install in c:\Program Files (x86) or in C:\Windows\SysWOW64.

On 2/28/2019 4:13 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
I don't know if you are totally wrong, I don't think you would be.
In my experiences, what I notice over the time is that the programs which have 64 bit versions goes to the X86 folder whereas those which are 32 goes to the other one.
That being said, I don't know why Kevin was expecting the program to install on a different folder if it's a 64 bit program as far as I could see based on what he wrote.

Em 28/02/2019 19:06, James AUSTIN escreveu:
Hi

I could be wrong about this so please correct me somebody if so, but I think that the suffix X 86 for program files points  to user installed applications. The original program files points to   applications installed by Windows. However in most installation wizards I have used you can choose where to install files.

Best wishes
James
On 28 Feb 2019, at 21:53, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io <the.big.white.shepherd@...> wrote:

Hi,   I installed the 64 bit butt yet it is in program files x86 and yes I am sure I have the 64 bit version.   at least when I went to the download page it said 64 bit installer.   any ideas anyone else had this?

On 28/02/2019 06:42, Mallard wrote:
Well, I haven't seen any ads at all in Brave, neither in Android nor in Windows.
If there are, they are well hidden. And if they're hidden, I don't see the purpose of having them at all
It's only fair that one should be wary.
Il 28/02/2019 04:45, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:
Well its the latest chromium alternertive.

FFull add blocking and extra security.

review here.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3292619/web-browsers/the-brave-browser-basics-what-it-does-how-it-differs-from-rivals.html 

I do caution users, in the article link I pasted above the eventual plan for brave is to replace all adds from other's websites and tracks with its own adds and trackers or at least thats what I read.

Some antimalware and security tools detect brave as malware though they say its false.

Reviews seem generally good now, but I am not sure.

If this brouser is replacing adds with its own, there is no garantee that eventually you trade a malware free environment with using another echosystem, with its own adds, trackers, and malware thrown in.

This is a really new project, its not the first chromium sourced brouser and it will not be the last.

One other thing to note, its not a main stay brouser like chrome, firefox, ie and edge, so interface wize while it may be good, a supported brouser that is supported is better than one which may have issues.

Now saying that with nvda that probably doesn't matter as such because of the fact nvda itself is basically a scripted program built using modern techniques and using commen os access commands and apis.

But Its probable that if you run something like dolphin stuff you won't get access and its unlikely that it would be supported by jaws or anything like that.

The thing I don't care for is trading all the malware I have to deal with now with eventually another person's adds.

If I am ready to do this, I may as well uninstall my antimalware software and turn off my firewall.

Users do have glowing reviews right now but its new.


Now if you want to try it you probably won't have any issues doing so however who knows.

Ports come and go.

It may have some big names developing it but look at piriform.

CCleaner is a good program, it used to be really good till piriform went with avast.

Now ccleaner is its own malware, and sadly it does do malwareish things, trying to have quickclean run, and a entire load of other things I have to modify my ini file every day or so.

Its interface or at least the main interface panel is total crap access wize.

And it comes with avast which is total crap access wize to.

I used to use programs with dvdvideosoftware they used to have google spyware in them and I don't care about google because I use that but later it had conduit then opencandy, then a lot of other junk and I had to get rid of it and reformat my system to get rid of all the extra junkware.

Sadly it seems to be the rage, any software that is bundled with any software is pritty much malware because most of the time the user has not requested that software so its malware.

THats another issue with brave, it does not block google adds or google trackers, so we know who is funding brave now.

Now if brave got cash from doubleclick, yahoo adds and all the other add makers to have their adds unblocked then we have a problem.

I know that with waterfox I have full control, and I have blocked google and all sort of extras.



On 28/02/2019 11:12 AM, Gene wrote:
If people do a Google or other search engine search for something like Brave browser review, they may find knowledgeable assessments of the browser.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Dan Beaver <mailto:dbeaver888@...>
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2019 4:09 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Brave browser

How do we know this is a safe browser?



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locked Re: [POP] Saving messages from an account to export to another and one more question

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Imap leaves the messages on your server.  The only way you can put the messages on your imap account is to resend the messages to yourself.  Unless there's a way to import messages directly into the email program, in which case, you'll still have them accessible from the email porogram, but only as a folder, and that folder will be on your local machine, not on the imap server, which is kind of the point of imap in the first place..

The issue you'll run into with imap is that if you hit your disk quota, then you won't be able to receive any more email.  It's considerably easier to hit that quota with imap than it is with pop3, since pop3 takes the messages off the server by default, thereby clearing space for new messages, imap doesn't do this.  Of course, places like gmail and others have decent size allotments for imap mailboxes, but it's still a consideration, and one most people don't even take into account, because most folks just assume storage is unlimited, which of course, it isn't.

On 2/28/2019 2:07 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi,
As the mod kindly asked to the old thread about POP to be closed I'm starting this new one to ask it.

When I ask for a way to backup my messages, actually, I'm talking about saving them.
Let me try to explain it better.
I use POP and I delete most of the messages right after reading/answering themm. However, there are those that I want to keep (and I do), some of them way behind from a month.
What I want, then, is to save these messages in a way that I could put them back on my other profile that I'm thinking about creating with IMAP.

I also would like to know if there's any difference regarding how Thunderbird deal with these messages using IMAP instead of POP. There'll be some difference when I open a message to read, to see its attachments and such?

Thanks in advance :)
--