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Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

 

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 01:17 PM, Blake Roberts wrote:
build 19043.105
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I presume you mean dot 1052.

In any case:

1. Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10

and if that doesn't work:

2. Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file

All it takes is some small something to "be off" in Windows itself, that whatever program depends upon (whether that's Edge or something else), for weirdness to ensue.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

David Goldfield
 

> It would be much more convenient to go to the last item I’m looking for and receive a no more buttons or headings, etc. 

 

I respect that and this may be your preference. However, having a toggle would allow you to continue to enjoy doing things the way you like doing them and would also give others the freedom to navigate with the wrap feature enabled. JAWS enables this by default but contains a toggle for users who don’t like it. I was unaware that third-party addons existed to facilitate this. I will investigate them and will also encourage the developers of these addons to consider having them approved by the addons community which will make them easier to locate. I personally prefer to download NVDA addons from the official repository.

 

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

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www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 10:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

 

NVDA has no such setting.  I think that, after a short time, you may get used to this not occurring and it will fade away to a minor annoyance or perhaps none. 

 

And at times, I consider it an advantage not to have rap.  Let’s say I am going downa page looking for something.  I want to see if I’ve found all the relevant headings or buttons or whatever I’m looking for because I’m not sure which one I want to use.  If I find what I want near the bottom of the page, then have a rap occur, I am once again at the top of the page.  It would be much more convenient to go to the last item I’m looking for and receive a no more buttons or headings, etc.  Then I can work with the last item if it’s the one I want or I can move backwards to the one I want which may be far closer to the bottom of the page than the top. 

 

While I don’t have a strong feeling about this, I think page rap is an example of too much automation which creates as much or more inconvenience than it tries to eliminate. 

 

And another question occurred to me just now.  Does rap cause improper jumping back to the tops of pages in today’s environment?  Many pages change these days as you move through them.  they display more of the page as you move down.  This is to accommodate portable devices.

 

My question is, say you are moving down a page by heading or by a control such as by button.  Does rap cause the screen-reader to rap to the top before the page changes and appear to show that you reached the end of the page when you actually didn’t?

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 8:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

 

Hi all,

When I am navigating a web page with quick navigation keys (H for headings, E for edit fields, etc.), when I get past the last of these on a page, it does not wrap back to the top of the page. With JAWS, it wraps around and I find this useful. Is there some setting I can change to make it wrap around?

Thanks,

David

 

 


BRAILLE OUTPUT TABLE

Richard Bartholomew
 

Hi,

 

Using NVDA 2020.4, I’ve just switched over to the UK 8-dot computer code Braille table and notice that the plus sign is being displayed as dots 2,3,6 rather than 2,3,5.  Dots 2,3,6 depict the less than sign and this is correctly being shown for < as well as the one in error!

 

What do I do, please, to get this error fixed?

 

Regards

Richard Bartholomew

 

 


Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

Blake Roberts <BEarlRoberts@...>
 

The strange  behavior described by others regarding the context menu being problematic occurs for me even though I'm running the most recent version of Microsoft Edge, 91.0.864.54. And yes, I pressed the *down* arrow not up arrow. I'm running Windows 10 21H1 OS build 19043.105.


Blake



On 6/19/2021 12:29 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 12:14 PM, Brian Sackrider wrote:
In my case I can't down arrow to what I need it just gos out of the menu.
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That's the behavior I'm seeing as well.  But "sighted guy hair splitting":  it never goes in to the context menu to begin with.  The menu appears, but focus is not given to it, so you get some "interesting" behavior on the web page that underlays the context menu when you start arrowing around, too.

I do not recall this behavior having been present in the past, and have to believe it's come in after Version 2004, but I'm not sure when.  If someone happens to be on Version 2004, would you test what you get in Edge when a context menu is popped up in the context of reading a webpage when NVDA is active?  Also, if it's not misbehaving, make note of what version of Edge you're running.

In my case I'm Win10 Version 21H1 with Edge version 91.0.864.48.

Interestingly, when I went to check version Edge was due to be updated, and it has been to Edge Version 91.0.864.54.  After this update, the behavior changes in that if I hit SHIFT+F10 to bring up a context menu hitting down arrow does bring me into that menu with focus on the first item at the top.  That's the only way to get in, though, if you use up arrow hoping to enter from the bottom and the last item, that doesn't work.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

 

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 12:14 PM, Brian Sackrider wrote:
In my case I can't down arrow to what I need it just gos out of the menu.
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That's the behavior I'm seeing as well.  But "sighted guy hair splitting":  it never goes in to the context menu to begin with.  The menu appears, but focus is not given to it, so you get some "interesting" behavior on the web page that underlays the context menu when you start arrowing around, too.

I do not recall this behavior having been present in the past, and have to believe it's come in after Version 2004, but I'm not sure when.  If someone happens to be on Version 2004, would you test what you get in Edge when a context menu is popped up in the context of reading a webpage when NVDA is active?  Also, if it's not misbehaving, make note of what version of Edge you're running.

In my case I'm Win10 Version 21H1 with Edge version 91.0.864.48.

Interestingly, when I went to check version Edge was due to be updated, and it has been to Edge Version 91.0.864.54.  After this update, the behavior changes in that if I hit SHIFT+F10 to bring up a context menu hitting down arrow does bring me into that menu with focus on the first item at the top.  That's the only way to get in, though, if you use up arrow hoping to enter from the bottom and the last item, that doesn't work.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

Brian Sackrider
 

In my case I can't down arrow to what I need it just gos out of the menu.

Brian Sackrider

On 6/19/2021 10:13 AM, tim wrote:
Now sometimes the list don't speak, but can always arrow down to what I need. Ben that way for the past year with NVDA and every update to current with all browsers.

So would say check your resolution Be surprised how much a change there will play with screen readers in the browser.




On 6/18/2021 11:04 PM, Brian Sackrider wrote:
        When I press shift 10 in the edge brouser to actavate the context menu it does not read it and I am not able to down arrow through the menu.  I have tried to do this with brouse mode both on and off.  I have also tried narator and I got the same results.  I have called the microsoft accessability answer desk and my case has been escelated.  When they remoted my pc using quick assist they were able to open the context menu and down arrow through it.  My sighted friend tried to open the context menu in edge with no screen reader turned on and he was able to open the context menu and down arrow through it.  I only have this issue with the edge brouser and not with any other brouser.  If I use ie chrome or fire fox I am able to open the context menu and down arrow through it.  It's seems that edge is not recignizing the shift 10 command.  Could it be a problem with the ui not being programed to recignize this command?  Microsoft does need to fix this problem before they turn off ie for good.

Brian Sackrider








problems with vocalizer expressive for NVDA website and downloads

Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...>
 

 

Hi

 

When I've tried to download voices from vocalizer expressive for NVDA, or the driver, nothing happened when pressing Enter on the download link or button.

@Rui Fontes do you know something about it?

People also have this issue?

 

Thanks

Afik

 

 

נשלח מהאפליקציה 'דואר' עבור Windows 10

 


Re: Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

 

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 11:01 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
not agreeing with Brian in this feature is not good...
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I expressed no opinion whatsoever about the wraparound feature.  That was Gene.

Any feature that can be toggled on and off is "good" as far as I'm concerned.  It can be made available, or not, to suit the individual user.  And that's whether said feature is a part of the screen reader core code or implemented via add-on.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

Rui Fontes
 

What I mean is that is good not agreeing with Brian in this feature is not good...


Rui Fontes


Às 15:38 de 19/06/2021, Brian Vogel escreveu:

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 10:23 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
I do not agree with you
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And I do not agree with you, but do agree with Gene.

Gene is correct that NVDA proper has no such setting.  You are correct that NVDA add-ons (both of which appear to be "home grown" ones not listed on the community add-ons page) exist to support this function.

NVDA itself doesn't support this.  It is supported under NVDA via add-ons.  That may seem like hair-splitting, but it's not.  The same can be said of different things under JAWS that are supported via scripts.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

 

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 10:23 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
I do not agree with you
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And I do not agree with you, but do agree with Gene.

Gene is correct that NVDA proper has no such setting.  You are correct that NVDA add-ons (both of which appear to be "home grown" ones not listed on the community add-ons page) exist to support this function.

NVDA itself doesn't support this.  It is supported under NVDA via add-ons.  That may seem like hair-splitting, but it's not.  The same can be said of different things under JAWS that are supported via scripts.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

Rui Fontes
 

I do not agree with you, but that is good! 😊


There are, at least, two add-ons to implement that feature in NVDA:

screenRapping:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/v9nmgco223zh0th/screenRapping_1.4_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=1


and NVDA ExtensionGlobal:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyapinicjfcfnuo/NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin_9.8-dev17_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=1


Rui Fontes



Às 15:08 de 19/06/2021, Gene escreveu:

NVDA has no such setting.  I think that, after a short time, you may get used to this not occurring and it will fade away to a minor annoyance or perhaps none. 
 
And at times, I consider it an advantage not to have rap.  Let’s say I am going downa page looking for something.  I want to see if I’ve found all the relevant headings or buttons or whatever I’m looking for because I’m not sure which one I want to use.  If I find what I want near the bottom of the page, then have a rap occur, I am once again at the top of the page.  It would be much more convenient to go to the last item I’m looking for and receive a no more buttons or headings, etc.  Then I can work with the last item if it’s the one I want or I can move backwards to the one I want which may be far closer to the bottom of the page than the top. 
 
While I don’t have a strong feeling about this, I think page rap is an example of too much automation which creates as much or more inconvenience than it tries to eliminate. 
 
And another question occurred to me just now.  Does rap cause improper jumping back to the tops of pages in today’s environment?  Many pages change these days as you move through them.  they display more of the page as you move down.  This is to accommodate portable devices.
 
My question is, say you are moving down a page by heading or by a control such as by button.  Does rap cause the screen-reader to rap to the top before the page changes and appear to show that you reached the end of the page when you actually didn’t?
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys
 

Hi all,

When I am navigating a web page with quick navigation keys (H for headings, E for edit fields, etc.), when I get past the last of these on a page, it does not wrap back to the top of the page. With JAWS, it wraps around and I find this useful. Is there some setting I can change to make it wrap around?

Thanks,

David

 

 


Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

tim
 

Now sometimes the list don't speak, but can always arrow down to what I need. Ben that way for the past year with NVDA and every update to current with all browsers.

So would say check your resolution Be surprised how much a change there will play with screen readers in the browser.

On 6/18/2021 11:04 PM, Brian Sackrider wrote:
        When I press shift 10 in the edge brouser to actavate the context menu it does not read it and I am not able to down arrow through the menu.  I have tried to do this with brouse mode both on and off.  I have also tried narator and I got the same results.  I have called the microsoft accessability answer desk and my case has been escelated.  When they remoted my pc using quick assist they were able to open the context menu and down arrow through it.  My sighted friend tried to open the context menu in edge with no screen reader turned on and he was able to open the context menu and down arrow through it.  I only have this issue with the edge brouser and not with any other brouser.  If I use ie chrome or fire fox I am able to open the context menu and down arrow through it.  It's seems that edge is not recignizing the shift 10 command.  Could it be a problem with the ui not being programed to recignize this command?  Microsoft does need to fix this problem before they turn off ie for good.

Brian Sackrider





Re: Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

Gene
 

NVDA has no such setting.  I think that, after a short time, you may get used to this not occurring and it will fade away to a minor annoyance or perhaps none. 
 
And at times, I consider it an advantage not to have rap.  Let’s say I am going downa page looking for something.  I want to see if I’ve found all the relevant headings or buttons or whatever I’m looking for because I’m not sure which one I want to use.  If I find what I want near the bottom of the page, then have a rap occur, I am once again at the top of the page.  It would be much more convenient to go to the last item I’m looking for and receive a no more buttons or headings, etc.  Then I can work with the last item if it’s the one I want or I can move backwards to the one I want which may be far closer to the bottom of the page than the top. 
 
While I don’t have a strong feeling about this, I think page rap is an example of too much automation which creates as much or more inconvenience than it tries to eliminate. 
 
And another question occurred to me just now.  Does rap cause improper jumping back to the tops of pages in today’s environment?  Many pages change these days as you move through them.  they display more of the page as you move down.  This is to accommodate portable devices.
 
My question is, say you are moving down a page by heading or by a control such as by button.  Does rap cause the screen-reader to rap to the top before the page changes and appear to show that you reached the end of the page when you actually didn’t?
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys
 

Hi all,

When I am navigating a web page with quick navigation keys (H for headings, E for edit fields, etc.), when I get past the last of these on a page, it does not wrap back to the top of the page. With JAWS, it wraps around and I find this useful. Is there some setting I can change to make it wrap around?

Thanks,

David

 

 


Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

David Kingsbury
 

Hi all,

When I am navigating a web page with quick navigation keys (H for headings, E for edit fields, etc.), when I get past the last of these on a page, it does not wrap back to the top of the page. With JAWS, it wraps around and I find this useful. Is there some setting I can change to make it wrap around?

Thanks,

David

 

 


Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

Blake Roberts <BEarlRoberts@...>
 

I can confirm Mr.Sackrider's problem accessing the Microsoft Edge context menu with shift-f10. Summarizing my problem report submitted this morning to Microsoft (help, feedback): I'm running the latest update to Chromium-based Edge browser on Windows 10 version 21H1. The menu accessible with shift+f10 does not appear when I'm using Narrator or NVDA. It only comes up when I use JAWS screen reader.


Due to similar behavior with Narrator, this does not appear to be a NVDA-specific issue. Suggestion to the original poster: I suggest trying Google Chrome browser as an alternative to Edge.



Blake



On 6/18/2021 11:21 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
This may be an Edge error, or it could be an NVDA error.

I just tried this and while SHIFT+F10 definitely brings up the context menu when NVDA is running, focus does not shift to it, but remains on the page in Edge itself.  This is not the case when NVDA is off.  If I do SHIFT+F10 without NVDA running, and hit either up or down arrow, I am traversing the context menu.

It's not clear to me if this is an NVDA bug or an Edge bug.  But since you say you get the same misbehavior with Narrator, I suspect that something is not being exposed to the screen reader by Edge that should be that allows the screen reader to have focus set in the Context Menu when it appears.  I don't have JAWS on this machine, or I'd try a quick test with it.  I suspect the same issue would present itself, which would really point the finger at Edge (or something in Windows that Edge depends upon for context menu presentation).
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Accessible bible software with NVDA

Cristina Ebetiuc
 

Good afternoon!

Can you recommand me a bible studying Software which is accessible with NVDA, please?

Thank you in Advance!

Regards

Julia

 

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

 


Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

Gene
 

I don't have this problem using Edge with Windows 7.  I doubt this is an NVDA problem.


Gene

On 6/18/2021 10:21 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
This may be an Edge error, or it could be an NVDA error.

I just tried this and while SHIFT+F10 definitely brings up the context menu when NVDA is running, focus does not shift to it, but remains on the page in Edge itself.  This is not the case when NVDA is off.  If I do SHIFT+F10 without NVDA running, and hit either up or down arrow, I am traversing the context menu.

It's not clear to me if this is an NVDA bug or an Edge bug.  But since you say you get the same misbehavior with Narrator, I suspect that something is not being exposed to the screen reader by Edge that should be that allows the screen reader to have focus set in the Context Menu when it appears.  I don't have JAWS on this machine, or I'd try a quick test with it.  I suspect the same issue would present itself, which would really point the finger at Edge (or something in Windows that Edge depends upon for context menu presentation).
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Phonetic Pronunciation for Vernacular Languages

Luke Davis
 

You need to report this to the NVDA developers, particularly including the fact that it used to work before in earlier versions.

File a bug issue at:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues

Luke


Re: Phonetic Pronunciation for Vernacular Languages

Sanjog Kumawat
 

Hello Ben and Gene,

 

Thank you for the quick response. Gene, by vernacular I mean I am using different languages, mostly Indian language’s like Hindi and Marathi. I use laptop layout and the shortcut is NVDA + . twice. It reports the phenetic meaning of the character when the letter is in English.

 

Ben, I agree with you. However, it used to work on the older versions of NVDA. It stopped suddenly from NVDA 2020 versions.

 

Regards,

Sanjog

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ben J. Bloomgren
Sent: 18 June 2021 05:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phonetic Pronunciation for Vernacular Languages

 

Sanjog,

 

NVDA 2021 doesn't report those phonetics either. I think that it has to do with the fact that non-Latin scripts often don't assign phonetics to each letter or syllable of their script.

 

Ben 



On Jun 16, 2021, at 05:09, Sanjog Kumawat <sanjogkumawat@...> wrote:



Hello,

 

I am using NVDA 2020.4 and Windows 10 Home. Few days back, there was a discussion on phonetic description of a character and how NVDA can announce the character and it’s phonetic pronunciation. I was using the shortcut NVDA + . (fullstop) twice to hear the phonetic pronunciation. The shortcut and the “Enhanced Phonetic Reading” add-on is working fine everywhere when it comes to English.

 

However, NVDA fails to report the phonetic pronunciation/description of a letter typed in Hindi or Marathi except when typed in Microsoft Word. I am using Office 365. When I write anything in Notepad for example, NVDA does not report the phonetic pronunciation. It used to report in the older versions like 2020.1. What could be the reason? Is there anything I can do that will solve this problem?

 

Regards,

Sanjog Kumawat

 

 

 


Remote pointer for controling presentations

Eilana Benish
 

Hello everybody

recently I have purchased Logitech remote presenter for operating presentations. I am working with Microsoft PowerPoint 365.

The problem is that when pressing on the right arrow or the left error to move between slides, NVDA reads the characters for the text that on that slide. but when I'm turning off NVDA the remote presentor works just fine.

Few years ago, I have used different remote presenter and this problem did not occur.

I have entered NVDA + 1 mode to hear which key NVDA uses when I'm pressing the arrows on the pointer. and then I understand that with every press on the pointer NVDA uses the left and right key and not the space bar or the backspace to move between slides.

the question is is there something that I can do to change this behavior?

When I'm moving between slides with the keyboard there is no problem  and NVDA works correctly and reads the slides (tell my headphone…)

Also it is worth mentioning that a few weeks ago I gave a presentation with a different pointer. actually I don't know if that pointer is from Logitech company but it was a different remote pointer. then I used my laptop to present and there were no problem with this remote pointer.

And of course I am using the latest version of NVDA

Thanks in advance

 


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