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Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Gene


It looks as though there are different results depending which way you go in.


For example from the screen reader and I think the donate link on there website it shows buttons and it is the one off donation when it takes you to another page you can not edit.


But if you look say under the down load link page they show as radio buttons and if you pick one off donation it will let you edit the amount to donate but then nothing after that even if you press the enter key there does not seem to be even a button there to do that.


i can see why people are having problems.


I reported the other 2 to quenton but when he replies also add in the one from the down load page which reports differently.


you can have a sus to see what I mean.


Gene nz


On 11/02/2020 2:54 pm, Gene wrote:
I don't know what part of the form you are working with.  if you start with the donate form on the page that discusses downloading and askks users to donate, they are radio buttons.  But I don't know where you are looking.  and I can move through them with r.
 
Are you on a page you get to after you follow the download button and are on the page where you continue after making your selection on the first page? 
 
Gene
----- Origial message -----
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

Hi Gene


NVA says they are buttons not radio buttons so can be skipped down by the letter B


If you then say pick one that you can donate to monthly mine is setup to do with pay pal which I think was one of the options then just a matter of signing in and paying that way.


I see where the problem comes in is a once off donation when it takes you to the next screen you can not edit the amount so most people would stop there and go no further If i did say then go to donate i would be guessing it was the 200 not the lets say 10 bucks.


I would not go any further so no donation that way.


Gene nz


On 11/02/2020 1:27 pm, Gene wrote:
One thing I haven't examined yet fully, but which I think is the case from what I looked at, is that if someone tabs through the radio buttons, which they shouldn't do on an unfamiliar form, only the radio button will be announced and not the associated text.  Someone who knows how to work with forms well won't find this a problem but a lot of blind people don't know how to work with forms well.  If this were changed, it would make it easier for those who aren't good at filling out forms. 
 
That still doesn't tell people if they are in the one time donation or the recurring donation part of the form.  The only way I can see as I think about it now, though there may be others, is to have the form divided with links telling people what they will be working with. 
In other words, at the start of the form, a link would say something like click here to make a one time donation.  On the line below, there would be a link that says click here to make a monthly donation.
As things are now, these parts of the form are on the same page with text telling people where they are.  But a lot of blind people tab through a form or through most of it.  That is, I believe, the result of poor instruction or of people just picking things up as they go. 
 
The form designers need to decide if they want to help people learn to use forms with instructions and keeping the form as it is, or if they want to make the form useable by people who just tab through everything.
 
Earlier, I said that the form should not be dumbed down.  But on reflection, I'll say that it depends on what the designers want to do, to educate in that context or make something so easy to use that it takes nothing but tabbing.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

Please explain how the form is badly designed. It can't be simpler.

You need to select what type of donation you want. Either you have a set of radio buttons on the Download page, or a set of buttons on the donate page.


On 2/10/2020 2:46 PM, James Bentley wrote:

I’m not certain as to who is saying the phrase, “kiss of death” but I agree.

 

It took me well over a year to finally finally set up a small monthly donation to NVDA.  I wonder how many dollars are not getting where they need to go because of a combination of persons with less PC skills and apparently, a web designer or, at least the form designer also having less skills.

 

We need NVDA to grow world wide so more persons will have free access to NVDA.

 

I use Jaws and Narrator too but, NVDA needs to prosper.  I hope some one will fix this unnecessary complicated process.

 

Regards,

 

James B

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 3:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 04:34 PM, Jackie wrote:

The problem is that too many, I think assume a lack of skill, when at least part of the problem may indeed be due to implementation.

And, in this case, it seems to be a combination of both, which is often the absolute kiss of death.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

Gene
 

If you see buttons where I see radio buttons, which browser are you using?  it makes no sense that buttons be used.  the point is to make one selection and radio buttons only allow you to make one selection.  So if you are seeing buttons, you are seeing incorrect information.
 
I looked at the page you are sent to after activating the download button.  The page doesn't have any buttons.  So are you talking about the first page? 
 
To another point discussed today, it does show the donation amount you selected in a read only edit field which is evidently why someone said the amount can't be changed earlier in the day.  You don't change it there.  When you select the other radio button on the first page, an edit field appears below the radio button where you enter the amount you wish.  The Pay Pal page isn't where you change that information.
I've probably said about all I will in this thread so as not to be repetitive or get too much into detail. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

I don't know what part of the form you are working with.  if you start with the donate form on the page that discusses downloading and askks users to donate, they are radio buttons.  But I don't know where you are looking.  and I can move through them with r.
 
Are you on a page you get to after you follow the download button and are on the page where you continue after making your selection on the first page? 
 
Gene
----- Origial message -----
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

Hi Gene


NVA says they are buttons not radio buttons so can be skipped down by the letter B


If you then say pick one that you can donate to monthly mine is setup to do with pay pal which I think was one of the options then just a matter of signing in and paying that way.


I see where the problem comes in is a once off donation when it takes you to the next screen you can not edit the amount so most people would stop there and go no further If i did say then go to donate i would be guessing it was the 200 not the lets say 10 bucks.


I would not go any further so no donation that way.


Gene nz


On 11/02/2020 1:27 pm, Gene wrote:
One thing I haven't examined yet fully, but which I think is the case from what I looked at, is that if someone tabs through the radio buttons, which they shouldn't do on an unfamiliar form, only the radio button will be announced and not the associated text.  Someone who knows how to work with forms well won't find this a problem but a lot of blind people don't know how to work with forms well.  If this were changed, it would make it easier for those who aren't good at filling out forms. 
 
That still doesn't tell people if they are in the one time donation or the recurring donation part of the form.  The only way I can see as I think about it now, though there may be others, is to have the form divided with links telling people what they will be working with. 
In other words, at the start of the form, a link would say something like click here to make a one time donation.  On the line below, there would be a link that says click here to make a monthly donation.
As things are now, these parts of the form are on the same page with text telling people where they are.  But a lot of blind people tab through a form or through most of it.  That is, I believe, the result of poor instruction or of people just picking things up as they go. 
 
The form designers need to decide if they want to help people learn to use forms with instructions and keeping the form as it is, or if they want to make the form useable by people who just tab through everything.
 
Earlier, I said that the form should not be dumbed down.  But on reflection, I'll say that it depends on what the designers want to do, to educate in that context or make something so easy to use that it takes nothing but tabbing.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

Please explain how the form is badly designed. It can't be simpler.

You need to select what type of donation you want. Either you have a set of radio buttons on the Download page, or a set of buttons on the donate page.


On 2/10/2020 2:46 PM, James Bentley wrote:

I’m not certain as to who is saying the phrase, “kiss of death” but I agree.

 

It took me well over a year to finally finally set up a small monthly donation to NVDA.  I wonder how many dollars are not getting where they need to go because of a combination of persons with less PC skills and apparently, a web designer or, at least the form designer also having less skills.

 

We need NVDA to grow world wide so more persons will have free access to NVDA.

 

I use Jaws and Narrator too but, NVDA needs to prosper.  I hope some one will fix this unnecessary complicated process.

 

Regards,

 

James B

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 3:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 04:34 PM, Jackie wrote:

The problem is that too many, I think assume a lack of skill, when at least part of the problem may indeed be due to implementation.

And, in this case, it seems to be a combination of both, which is often the absolute kiss of death.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: my vocalizer expressive 1.1 version 3.14 and its attached voices no longer work with NVDA 2019.3

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

Hi.  Did you download the codeFactory Python3 Extension?  My guess is that you are still with the Python 2 one, hence it's not working.

On 2/11/2020 9:18 AM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
Hi,
I just tried re-downloading and reinstalling the voices, but they still doesn't work. When I select vocalizer from the list of synths and press enter, NVDA becomes silent.


Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

Annette Moore
 

Gene NZ, try Firefox. It let me change the 200 to a 100 for a one-time donation.

Annette

On 2/10/2020 6:13 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

if any where it is more on the second page I was looking at doing a lets say one off donation and on the second one in the edit area it would not let me change it from 200 to what ever I wanted to donate. Most people would stop there.


It seemed to do it from the nvaccess website for donations and from nvda for donations. I was using google chrome so will try another browser to see if there are the same results.


Gene nz


On 11/02/2020 12:40 pm, James Bentley wrote:

Its been so long and frustrating since  I finally stumbled through the process that I no longer remember.  And, I’m glad I forgot.

 

I have no problems at Amazon or Walmart or dozens of other sites so I stand by my opinion that the form/site could be easier.  Especially since more than a few people are having problems.

 

I agree with the lister who said that a donation page should be easier.

 

James B

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

 

Please explain how the form is badly designed. It can't be simpler.

You need to select what type of donation you want. Either you have a set of radio buttons on the Download page, or a set of buttons on the donate page.

 

On 2/10/2020 2:46 PM, James Bentley wrote:

I’m not certain as to who is saying the phrase, “kiss of death” but I agree.

 

It took me well over a year to finally finally set up a small monthly donation to NVDA.  I wonder how many dollars are not getting where they need to go because of a combination of persons with less PC skills and apparently, a web designer or, at least the form designer also having less skills.

 

We need NVDA to grow world wide so more persons will have free access to NVDA.

 

I use Jaws and Narrator too but, NVDA needs to prosper.  I hope some one will fix this unnecessary complicated process.

 

Regards,

 

James B

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 3:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 04:34 PM, Jackie wrote:

The problem is that too many, I think assume a lack of skill, when at least part of the problem may indeed be due to implementation.

And, in this case, it seems to be a combination of both, which is often the absolute kiss of death.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: my vocalizer expressive 1.1 version 3.14 and its attached voices no longer work with NVDA 2019.3

Rui Fontes
 

Tomorrow send me a mail to try a remote session to see what's matter...


Best regards,

 

Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 01:18 de 11/02/2020, Supanut Leepaisomboon escreveu:

Hi,
I just tried re-downloading and reinstalling the voices, but they still doesn't work. When I select vocalizer from the list of synths and press enter, NVDA becomes silent.


Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

Gene
 

I don't know what part of the form you are working with.  if you start with the donate form on the page that discusses downloading and askks users to donate, they are radio buttons.  But I don't know where you are looking.  and I can move through them with r.
 
Are you on a page you get to after you follow the download button and are on the page where you continue after making your selection on the first page? 
 
Gene
----- Origial message -----

Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

Hi Gene


NVA says they are buttons not radio buttons so can be skipped down by the letter B


If you then say pick one that you can donate to monthly mine is setup to do with pay pal which I think was one of the options then just a matter of signing in and paying that way.


I see where the problem comes in is a once off donation when it takes you to the next screen you can not edit the amount so most people would stop there and go no further If i did say then go to donate i would be guessing it was the 200 not the lets say 10 bucks.


I would not go any further so no donation that way.


Gene nz


On 11/02/2020 1:27 pm, Gene wrote:
One thing I haven't examined yet fully, but which I think is the case from what I looked at, is that if someone tabs through the radio buttons, which they shouldn't do on an unfamiliar form, only the radio button will be announced and not the associated text.  Someone who knows how to work with forms well won't find this a problem but a lot of blind people don't know how to work with forms well.  If this were changed, it would make it easier for those who aren't good at filling out forms. 
 
That still doesn't tell people if they are in the one time donation or the recurring donation part of the form.  The only way I can see as I think about it now, though there may be others, is to have the form divided with links telling people what they will be working with. 
In other words, at the start of the form, a link would say something like click here to make a one time donation.  On the line below, there would be a link that says click here to make a monthly donation.
As things are now, these parts of the form are on the same page with text telling people where they are.  But a lot of blind people tab through a form or through most of it.  That is, I believe, the result of poor instruction or of people just picking things up as they go. 
 
The form designers need to decide if they want to help people learn to use forms with instructions and keeping the form as it is, or if they want to make the form useable by people who just tab through everything.
 
Earlier, I said that the form should not be dumbed down.  But on reflection, I'll say that it depends on what the designers want to do, to educate in that context or make something so easy to use that it takes nothing but tabbing.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

Please explain how the form is badly designed. It can't be simpler.

You need to select what type of donation you want. Either you have a set of radio buttons on the Download page, or a set of buttons on the donate page.


On 2/10/2020 2:46 PM, James Bentley wrote:

I’m not certain as to who is saying the phrase, “kiss of death” but I agree.

 

It took me well over a year to finally finally set up a small monthly donation to NVDA.  I wonder how many dollars are not getting where they need to go because of a combination of persons with less PC skills and apparently, a web designer or, at least the form designer also having less skills.

 

We need NVDA to grow world wide so more persons will have free access to NVDA.

 

I use Jaws and Narrator too but, NVDA needs to prosper.  I hope some one will fix this unnecessary complicated process.

 

Regards,

 

James B

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 3:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 04:34 PM, Jackie wrote:

The problem is that too many, I think assume a lack of skill, when at least part of the problem may indeed be due to implementation.

And, in this case, it seems to be a combination of both, which is often the absolute kiss of death.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

Gene
 

I've been talking about tabbing but you can't tab through the radio buttons in this form so that isn't a problem.  It appears people either have to down arrow or move by r.  If you move by r, you hear the amount the radio button is for and you are on that radio button.  But you won't hear the one off and monthly options.  If you down arrow you will but those not good at filling out forms may become confused as to what radio button selects what.  It may be that you cant tab through radio buttons on a web page in general.  I don't do so and I don't know.  So I'm not saying you should be able to tab through them.  I am correcting what I said about tabbing through the radio buttons because you can't.  But the radio buttons should read what they are for whether you down arrow or use r. 
 
Because you can move by r and not hear the kind of donation you will be making, I think, as I said before, that there should be links to the parts of the form for making either monthly or one off donations. 
 
And if you are going to have links to different kinds of donation options, would radio buttons or combo boxes be better to use in terms of what would be easier for those not good at filling out forms to use?
 
I am now writing largely in the context of whether developers want to educate or make the form as easy as possible to use.  At this point, I am addressing how to make it as easy as possible to use, whether instructions are provided or not. 
 
And if combo boxes are used, they shouldn't be the JAVA kind that take you somewhere when you make a selection and require alt down arrow not to do so.  They should register the selection when you make it and leave the combo box. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

One thing I haven't examined yet fully, but which I think is the case from what I looked at, is that if someone tabs through the radio buttons, which they shouldn't do on an unfamiliar form, only the radio button will be announced and not the associated text.  Someone who knows how to work with forms well won't find this a problem but a lot of blind people don't know how to work with forms well.  If this were changed, it would make it easier for those who aren't good at filling out forms. 
 
That still doesn't tell people if they are in the one time donation or the recurring donation part of the form.  The only way I can see as I think about it now, though there may be others, is to have the form divided with links telling people what they will be working with. 
In other words, at the start of the form, a link would say something like click here to make a one time donation.  On the line below, there would be a link that says click here to make a monthly donation.
As things are now, these parts of the form are on the same page with text telling people where they are.  But a lot of blind people tab through a form or through most of it.  That is, I believe, the result of poor instruction or of people just picking things up as they go. 
 
The form designers need to decide if they want to help people learn to use forms with instructions and keeping the form as it is, or if they want to make the form useable by people who just tab through everything.
 
Earlier, I said that the form should not be dumbed down.  But on reflection, I'll say that it depends on what the designers want to do, to educate in that context or make something so easy to use that it takes nothing but tabbing.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

Please explain how the form is badly designed. It can't be simpler.

You need to select what type of donation you want. Either you have a set of radio buttons on the Download page, or a set of buttons on the donate page.


On 2/10/2020 2:46 PM, James Bentley wrote:

I’m not certain as to who is saying the phrase, “kiss of death” but I agree.

 

It took me well over a year to finally finally set up a small monthly donation to NVDA.  I wonder how many dollars are not getting where they need to go because of a combination of persons with less PC skills and apparently, a web designer or, at least the form designer also having less skills.

 

We need NVDA to grow world wide so more persons will have free access to NVDA.

 

I use Jaws and Narrator too but, NVDA needs to prosper.  I hope some one will fix this unnecessary complicated process.

 

Regards,

 

James B

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 3:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 04:34 PM, Jackie wrote:

The problem is that too many, I think assume a lack of skill, when at least part of the problem may indeed be due to implementation.

And, in this case, it seems to be a combination of both, which is often the absolute kiss of death.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


MathType equation reading

 

Hi all,
I just upgraded to NVDA 2019.3.1, and I've noticed that for some reason NVDA no longer reads MathType equatioins in Microsoft Word.
Any idea why this is happening? I do need to be able to read these MathType equations for my introduction to logic class so any fix is appreciated.
For your information, I have Math Player installed, I tried running the installer again but NVDA still does not read MathType equations.


Re: my vocalizer expressive 1.1 version 3.14 and its attached voices no longer work with NVDA 2019.3

 

Hi,
I just tried re-downloading and reinstalling the voices, but they still doesn't work. When I select vocalizer from the list of synths and press enter, NVDA becomes silent.


Re: Dictation bridge and support for 2019.3

 

Hi,

I am one of the developers of DictationBridge (although soon I’ll be letting this add-on go). Version 1.1 of DictationBridge is compatible with NVDA 2019.3.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 5:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dictation bridge and support for 2019.3

 

Someone asked about this just this morning on the Chat Subgroup.  See:  

 

Current status of Dictation Bridge?

Your best bet is to contact the developers via the Github page.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Gene


NVA says they are buttons not radio buttons so can be skipped down by the letter B


If you then say pick one that you can donate to monthly mine is setup to do with pay pal which I think was one of the options then just a matter of signing in and paying that way.


I see where the problem comes in is a once off donation when it takes you to the next screen you can not edit the amount so most people would stop there and go no further If i did say then go to donate i would be guessing it was the 200 not the lets say 10 bucks.


I would not go any further so no donation that way.


Gene nz


On 11/02/2020 1:27 pm, Gene wrote:
One thing I haven't examined yet fully, but which I think is the case from what I looked at, is that if someone tabs through the radio buttons, which they shouldn't do on an unfamiliar form, only the radio button will be announced and not the associated text.  Someone who knows how to work with forms well won't find this a problem but a lot of blind people don't know how to work with forms well.  If this were changed, it would make it easier for those who aren't good at filling out forms. 
 
That still doesn't tell people if they are in the one time donation or the recurring donation part of the form.  The only way I can see as I think about it now, though there may be others, is to have the form divided with links telling people what they will be working with. 
In other words, at the start of the form, a link would say something like click here to make a one time donation.  On the line below, there would be a link that says click here to make a monthly donation.
As things are now, these parts of the form are on the same page with text telling people where they are.  But a lot of blind people tab through a form or through most of it.  That is, I believe, the result of poor instruction or of people just picking things up as they go. 
 
The form designers need to decide if they want to help people learn to use forms with instructions and keeping the form as it is, or if they want to make the form useable by people who just tab through everything.
 
Earlier, I said that the form should not be dumbed down.  But on reflection, I'll say that it depends on what the designers want to do, to educate in that context or make something so easy to use that it takes nothing but tabbing.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

Please explain how the form is badly designed. It can't be simpler.

You need to select what type of donation you want. Either you have a set of radio buttons on the Download page, or a set of buttons on the donate page.


On 2/10/2020 2:46 PM, James Bentley wrote:

I’m not certain as to who is saying the phrase, “kiss of death” but I agree.

 

It took me well over a year to finally finally set up a small monthly donation to NVDA.  I wonder how many dollars are not getting where they need to go because of a combination of persons with less PC skills and apparently, a web designer or, at least the form designer also having less skills.

 

We need NVDA to grow world wide so more persons will have free access to NVDA.

 

I use Jaws and Narrator too but, NVDA needs to prosper.  I hope some one will fix this unnecessary complicated process.

 

Regards,

 

James B

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 3:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 04:34 PM, Jackie wrote:

The problem is that too many, I think assume a lack of skill, when at least part of the problem may indeed be due to implementation.

And, in this case, it seems to be a combination of both, which is often the absolute kiss of death.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Dictation bridge and support for 2019.3

 

Someone asked about this just this morning on the Chat Subgroup.  See:  
  Current status of Dictation Bridge?
Your best bet is to contact the developers via the Github page.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Dictation bridge and support for 2019.3

Justin Harford
 

Good afternoon everyone
 
I am new to the list. It looks like NVDA 2019.3 came out today and several add-ons do not work for it. I was able to figure out in the list archives that Vocalizer has a new update which it looks like I won't be able to install until after I have updated to 2019.3, but I did not find any information about the support of dictation bridge in the new NVDA version. Does anybody know when dictation bridge will be supported for NVDA 2019.3?
 
I'm using Windows 10 and the previous version to 2019 .3.
 
Thanks
Justin


Re: my vocalizer expressive 1.1 version 3.14 and its attached voices no longer work with NVDA 2019.3

Rui Fontes
 

Theorically they shouldn't be incompatible since they don't have any code...

Only data for the TTS...


Best regards,

 

Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 23:33 de 10/02/2020, Supanut Leepaisomboon escreveu:

I see. In that case I will try and re-download the voices again. Although when I check the incompatibility list none of the voices are listed as incompatible.


On 11 Feb 2020, at 06:22, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:



Hello!


If your voices are very old, they will not work, so I suggest you to download it again...


Best regards,

 

Costumer support

Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 23:06 de 10/02/2020, Supanut Leepaisomboon escreveu:
Hi,
The new 3.1 driver is compatible but sommehow my existing voices still doesn't work. Do I have to redownload them from the Vocalizer website or something?


Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

Sarah k Alawami
 

I remember now. I thought I did choose one time and ended up donating twice in 2 months. At the time it was not an option to do that so that took me a bit off guard. I know how to use forms well and I was not tabbing either.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.

to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 10 Feb 2020, at 16:27, Gene wrote:

One thing I haven't examined yet fully, but which I think is the case from what I looked at, is that if someone tabs through the radio buttons, which they shouldn't do on an unfamiliar form, only the radio button will be announced and not the associated text.  Someone who knows how to work with forms well won't find this a problem but a lot of blind people don't know how to work with forms well.  If this were changed, it would make it easier for those who aren't good at filling out forms. 
 
That still doesn't tell people if they are in the one time donation or the recurring donation part of the form.  The only way I can see as I think about it now, though there may be others, is to have the form divided with links telling people what they will be working with. 
In other words, at the start of the form, a link would say something like click here to make a one time donation.  On the line below, there would be a link that says click here to make a monthly donation.
As things are now, these parts of the form are on the same page with text telling people where they are.  But a lot of blind people tab through a form or through most of it.  That is, I believe, the result of poor instruction or of people just picking things up as they go. 
 
The form designers need to decide if they want to help people learn to use forms with instructions and keeping the form as it is, or if they want to make the form useable by people who just tab through everything.
 
Earlier, I said that the form should not be dumbed down.  But on reflection, I'll say that it depends on what the designers want to do, to educate in that context or make something so easy to use that it takes nothing but tabbing.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

Please explain how the form is badly designed. It can't be simpler.

You need to select what type of donation you want. Either you have a set of radio buttons on the Download page, or a set of buttons on the donate page.


On 2/10/2020 2:46 PM, James Bentley wrote:

I’m not certain as to who is saying the phrase, “kiss of death” but I agree.

 

It took me well over a year to finally finally set up a small monthly donation to NVDA.  I wonder how many dollars are not getting where they need to go because of a combination of persons with less PC skills and apparently, a web designer or, at least the form designer also having less skills.

 

We need NVDA to grow world wide so more persons will have free access to NVDA.

 

I use Jaws and Narrator too but, NVDA needs to prosper.  I hope some one will fix this unnecessary complicated process.

 

Regards,

 

James B

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 3:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 04:34 PM, Jackie wrote:

The problem is that too many, I think assume a lack of skill, when at least part of the problem may indeed be due to implementation.

And, in this case, it seems to be a combination of both, which is often the absolute kiss of death.
 
--

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Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

Sarah k Alawami
 

I believe i also had problems, that was way back in 2016, and I've ben a computer user since 1989 and I'm quite familiar with paypal. I also can't remember what the sticking point was either but it did drive me nuts.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.

to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 10 Feb 2020, at 15:40, James Bentley wrote:

Its been so long and frustrating since  I finally stumbled through the process that I no longer remember.  And, I’m glad I forgot.

 

I have no problems at Amazon or Walmart or dozens of other sites so I stand by my opinion that the form/site could be easier.  Especially since more than a few people are having problems.

 

I agree with the lister who said that a donation page should be easier.

 

James B

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

 

Please explain how the form is badly designed. It can't be simpler.

You need to select what type of donation you want. Either you have a set of radio buttons on the Download page, or a set of buttons on the donate page.

 

On 2/10/2020 2:46 PM, James Bentley wrote:

I’m not certain as to who is saying the phrase, “kiss of death” but I agree.

 

It took me well over a year to finally finally set up a small monthly donation to NVDA.  I wonder how many dollars are not getting where they need to go because of a combination of persons with less PC skills and apparently, a web designer or, at least the form designer also having less skills.

 

We need NVDA to grow world wide so more persons will have free access to NVDA.

 

I use Jaws and Narrator too but, NVDA needs to prosper.  I hope some one will fix this unnecessary complicated process.

 

Regards,

 

James B

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 3:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 04:34 PM, Jackie wrote:

The problem is that too many, I think assume a lack of skill, when at least part of the problem may indeed be due to implementation.

And, in this case, it seems to be a combination of both, which is often the absolute kiss of death.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: my vocalizer expressive 1.1 version 3.14 and its attached voices no longer work with NVDA 2019.3

Rui Fontes
 

Yes, of course!


Best regards,

 

Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 00:23 de 11/02/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Rui,

We're getting inquiries about updated add-ons, can I share this link with users of the earlier versions of your Vocalizer add-on?

On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 8:41 AM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

Hello!


You can get a NVDA 2019.3.1 compatible version at:

https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon


It still have one or two problems, but we are taking care of them...


Best regards,

 

Costumer support

Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 15:23 de 10/02/2020, Ibrahim Abedrabbo escreveu:

Hello folks,

As the subject says: my vocalizer expressive 1.1 version 3.0.14 no longer works on the newly released NVDA 2019.3. I get this message indicating its incompatibility.

Vocalizer Expressive 1.1 Driver; Status: Incompatible; Version: 3.0.14; Author: Tiflotecnia, LDA

How do I correct this problem?  Where do I download the compatible drivers? Do I have to purchase the drivers again or do I qualify for an upgrade?

Any help will be appreciated.

 

Ibrahim



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



Re: Accessible RSS reader for Windows 10 with syncing capability

 

Hmmm the old reader.

I just use the rss page in waterfox and subscribe and download as I wish.

I'll put that in my notes.



On 11/02/2020 9:58 am, Vincent van Itallie wrote:

Hi,


Personally, I use www.theoldreader.com

I use the web based enveronment in a web browser like chrome, firefox or ms edge.

There are even some extentions for theoldreader around.


On IOS I use both Lire and fieryfeeds, but thats beyond the subject of this list, don't know how the rss frond on android is, these days.

Would love to know what other people do use rss whise.


best, Vincent.


On 2/9/2020 8:58 PM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

Currently I'm using Mozilla Thunderbird as my RSS reader/client and I'm reasonably happy with it. But there is something missing in Thunderbird's client (and in Thunderbird as a whole), with which I'm not happy. And that is the syncing capability. I want my RSS client to sync my subscriptions between all of my devices (at least the ones on Windows). Thunderbird cannot do that. At least I'm not aware that it can.

So that is why I'm looking for an accessible RSS client for Windows 10 (and Android too, if possible), which is able to sync my RSS subscriptions between all of my devices. Do you know of such a program? Some time ago, I think someone posted something like that, which was fairly accessible and available for Windows 10 from the Microsoft Store. I think the poster was Joseph Lee, but I may be mistaking. But I cannot remember the name of the app in question, unfortunately.

Thanks much in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

Gene
 

One thing I haven't examined yet fully, but which I think is the case from what I looked at, is that if someone tabs through the radio buttons, which they shouldn't do on an unfamiliar form, only the radio button will be announced and not the associated text.  Someone who knows how to work with forms well won't find this a problem but a lot of blind people don't know how to work with forms well.  If this were changed, it would make it easier for those who aren't good at filling out forms. 
 
That still doesn't tell people if they are in the one time donation or the recurring donation part of the form.  The only way I can see as I think about it now, though there may be others, is to have the form divided with links telling people what they will be working with. 
In other words, at the start of the form, a link would say something like click here to make a one time donation.  On the line below, there would be a link that says click here to make a monthly donation.
As things are now, these parts of the form are on the same page with text telling people where they are.  But a lot of blind people tab through a form or through most of it.  That is, I believe, the result of poor instruction or of people just picking things up as they go. 
 
The form designers need to decide if they want to help people learn to use forms with instructions and keeping the form as it is, or if they want to make the form useable by people who just tab through everything.
 
Earlier, I said that the form should not be dumbed down.  But on reflection, I'll say that it depends on what the designers want to do, to educate in that context or make something so easy to use that it takes nothing but tabbing.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

Please explain how the form is badly designed. It can't be simpler.

You need to select what type of donation you want. Either you have a set of radio buttons on the Download page, or a set of buttons on the donate page.


On 2/10/2020 2:46 PM, James Bentley wrote:

I’m not certain as to who is saying the phrase, “kiss of death” but I agree.

 

It took me well over a year to finally finally set up a small monthly donation to NVDA.  I wonder how many dollars are not getting where they need to go because of a combination of persons with less PC skills and apparently, a web designer or, at least the form designer also having less skills.

 

We need NVDA to grow world wide so more persons will have free access to NVDA.

 

I use Jaws and Narrator too but, NVDA needs to prosper.  I hope some one will fix this unnecessary complicated process.

 

Regards,

 

James B

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 3:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 04:34 PM, Jackie wrote:

The problem is that too many, I think assume a lack of skill, when at least part of the problem may indeed be due to implementation.

And, in this case, it seems to be a combination of both, which is often the absolute kiss of death.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: my vocalizer expressive 1.1 version 3.14 and its attached voices no longer work with NVDA 2019.3

Quentin Christensen
 

Rui,

We're getting inquiries about updated add-ons, can I share this link with users of the earlier versions of your Vocalizer add-on?

On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 8:41 AM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

Hello!


You can get a NVDA 2019.3.1 compatible version at:

https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon


It still have one or two problems, but we are taking care of them...


Best regards,

 

Costumer support

Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 15:23 de 10/02/2020, Ibrahim Abedrabbo escreveu:

Hello folks,

As the subject says: my vocalizer expressive 1.1 version 3.0.14 no longer works on the newly released NVDA 2019.3. I get this message indicating its incompatibility.

Vocalizer Expressive 1.1 Driver; Status: Incompatible; Version: 3.0.14; Author: Tiflotecnia, LDA

How do I correct this problem?  Where do I download the compatible drivers? Do I have to purchase the drivers again or do I qualify for an upgrade?

Any help will be appreciated.

 

Ibrahim



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


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