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Re: python3 compatability list

 

Hi,
The compatibility list will be updated soon once Python 3 versions of some add-ons (mostly marked as "planned" or "work in progress") are released.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 4:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] python3 compatability list

Hi.

Could the link for the python 3 compatability list be either merged or added to the main addon website index please?

Also, where stuff says work in prograss or not working I am not sure how update the list actually is.

If something is compatible, there should be a download link to the latest version and if its actually completed the addon update on the site should be done.

I am not badgering people as I am sure it will be done.

I am amazed how many addons are actually compatible.

Some like jgt are just minted some like teamtalk while I didn't find them immediately I did find the addons on their homepages and updated.

On that note, dug lee it may be a good idea to make sure the dev of teamtalk has the right addon on his site both in portable versions and on his ftp.


Re: NVDA 2019.3 released

 

Just thought I'd post this as it is a first for me:  NVDA would not update from the "in NVDA" update process.  It failed and said to see the log.

I downloaded the new installer and that worked perfectly, and without having to uninstall the existing NVDA installation.  I probably should have posted this before going that route, as I believe I've probably now overwritten the log.  However, if the log is appended to, and anyone on the development team would like for me to send them a copy, just let me know.  I won't likely be using NVDA at all additionally today so the log is going to remain however it happens to be at the moment.

As a completely unrelated aside, can anyone tell me why NVDA announces, "Switch to USB Dialog Adapter Combo Box," as the first thing after starting virtually every time?  I've grown used to it, but I cannot for the life of me figure out what it thinks it has focus on such that this is what is announced.  And that quote is verbatim.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: nvda 2019.3 vocalizer, and remote support

lauracornwell
 

Yes there, is if you are on teamtalk would you please email me off list thanks . ---Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Mehler
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 7:27 AM
To: nvda <nvda@groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] nvda 2019.3 vocalizer, and remote support

Hello,

I just updated to nvda 2019.3 and a bunch of my addons which wouldn't
update just broke/disabled. One of them is my nuance vocalizer drivers
and synth. I'm not seeing anything on addons.nvda-project.org on this.
Another is nvda remote support. Does this addon have a 2019.3
compatible version? I just checked addons.nvda-project.org and stable
looks like it isn't, actually i'm not seeing a download for that at
all.

Suggestions welcome.

Thanks.
Dave.


Re: NVDA 2019.3 released

CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
 

Hello.

Thanks, i go to update my NVDA!

Thanks.


El 10/02/2020 a las 6:44, Quentin Christensen escribió:
Hi everyone,

NV Access is very pleased to present the long awaited next installment of the world's most popular screen reader:  NVDA 2019.3!

NVDA 2019.3 is a very significant release containing many under-the-hood changes including the upgrade of Python 2 to Python 3, and a major re-write of NVDA’s speech subsystem. Although these changes do break compatibility with older NVDA add-ons, the upgrade to Python 3 is necessary for security, and the changes to speech allow for some exciting innovations in the near future.

Other highlights in this release include 64 bit support for Java VMs, Screen Curtain and Focus Highlight functionality, support for more braille displays and a new Braille viewer, and many many other bug fixes.

Please note, after updating any software, it is a good idea to restart the computer. Restart by going to the Shutdown dialog, selecting “restart” and pressing ENTER. Updating software can change files which are in use. This can lead to instability and strange behaviour which is resolved by rebooting. This is the first thing to try if you do notice anything odd after updating.

To read the full release, and download NVDA, please see the announcement at: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3-released/

Kind regards

Quentin.

-- 
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



Re: NVDA 2019.3 released

Gerardo Corripio
 

I don’t plan to update mine, until the Vocalizer bug is squashed. Apart from the upgrade to Python, I don’t see any significant changes so as to go ahead and update, though the curiosity is there of course!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 10 feb 2020, a la(s) 6:21 a.m., zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> escribió:

hi quentin.
i am very glad about this news!
while the best version for me as i always mentioned is 2017.2, but i
became very delighted to hear the news and wanted to appreciate you as
always!
i never forget praying for you, God bless you and His infinite mercy i
pray for you!

On 2/10/20, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi everyone,

NV Access is very pleased to present the long awaited next installment of
the world's most popular screen reader: NVDA 2019.3!

NVDA 2019.3 is a very significant release containing many under-the-hood
changes including the upgrade of Python 2 to Python 3, and a major re-write
of NVDA’s speech subsystem. Although these changes do break compatibility
with older NVDA add-ons, the upgrade to Python 3 is necessary for security,
and the changes to speech allow for some exciting innovations in the near
future.

Other highlights in this release include 64 bit support for Java VMs,
Screen Curtain and Focus Highlight functionality, support for more braille
displays and a new Braille viewer, and many many other bug fixes.

Please note, after updating any software, it is a good idea to restart the
computer. Restart by going to the Shutdown dialog, selecting “restart” and
pressing ENTER. Updating software can change files which are in use. This
can lead to instability and strange behaviour which is resolved by
rebooting. This is the first thing to try if you do notice anything odd
after updating.

To read the full release, and download NVDA, please see the announcement
at: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3-released/

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>




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By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



Re: NVDA 2019.3 released

Margus Ojaots
 

i am little bit worried. i use eloquence for school, should i update?

2020-02-10 15:43 GMT +02:00, molly the blind tech lover
<brainardmolly@gmail.com>:

It’s out . . . Yes!

Can’t wait to download it 😀



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin
Christensen
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 6:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2019.3 released



Hi everyone,



NV Access is very pleased to present the long awaited next installment of
the world's most popular screen reader: NVDA 2019.3!



NVDA 2019.3 is a very significant release containing many under-the-hood
changes including the upgrade of Python 2 to Python 3, and a major re-write
of NVDA’s speech subsystem. Although these changes do break compatibility
with older NVDA add-ons, the upgrade to Python 3 is necessary for security,
and the changes to speech allow for some exciting innovations in the near
future.

Other highlights in this release include 64 bit support for Java VMs, Screen
Curtain and Focus Highlight functionality, support for more braille displays
and a new Braille viewer, and many many other bug fixes.

Please note, after updating any software, it is a good idea to restart the
computer. Restart by going to the Shutdown dialog, selecting “restart” and
pressing ENTER. Updating software can change files which are in use. This
can lead to instability and strange behaviour which is resolved by
rebooting. This is the first thing to try if you do notice anything odd
after updating.




To read the full release, and download NVDA, please see the announcement at:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3-released/



Kind regards



Quentin.



--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/



Web: <http://www.nvaccess.org/> www.nvaccess.org

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>







Re: NVDA 2019.3 released

molly the blind tech lover
 

It’s out . . . Yes!

Can’t wait to download it 😀

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 6:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2019.3 released

 

Hi everyone,

 

NV Access is very pleased to present the long awaited next installment of the world's most popular screen reader:  NVDA 2019.3!

 

NVDA 2019.3 is a very significant release containing many under-the-hood changes including the upgrade of Python 2 to Python 3, and a major re-write of NVDA’s speech subsystem. Although these changes do break compatibility with older NVDA add-ons, the upgrade to Python 3 is necessary for security, and the changes to speech allow for some exciting innovations in the near future.

Other highlights in this release include 64 bit support for Java VMs, Screen Curtain and Focus Highlight functionality, support for more braille displays and a new Braille viewer, and many many other bug fixes.

Please note, after updating any software, it is a good idea to restart the computer. Restart by going to the Shutdown dialog, selecting “restart” and pressing ENTER. Updating software can change files which are in use. This can lead to instability and strange behaviour which is resolved by rebooting. This is the first thing to try if you do notice anything odd after updating.

 

To read the full release, and download NVDA, please see the announcement at: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3-released/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

-- 

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 


nvda 2019.3 vocalizer, and remote support

David Mehler
 

Hello,

I just updated to nvda 2019.3 and a bunch of my addons which wouldn't
update just broke/disabled. One of them is my nuance vocalizer drivers
and synth. I'm not seeing anything on addons.nvda-project.org on this.
Another is nvda remote support. Does this addon have a 2019.3
compatible version? I just checked addons.nvda-project.org and stable
looks like it isn't, actually i'm not seeing a download for that at
all.

Suggestions welcome.

Thanks.
Dave.


Re: new nvda 2019.3 addon compatability update list

 

There are a lot of add ons on the community website that say they are compatible with 2019.3 but are actually not. One of these is the speak passwords add on. In the coming weeks, could we start removing old add ons from the community website to avoid confusion?


Untranslated strings in final NVDA 2019.3

Michel Such
 

Hi all,


It looks like stable version was built from RC2 since untranslated strings that were fixed by rc3 are back.



Re: NVDA 2019.3 released

Pascal Lambert
 

Good morning Quentin,

Please, where can one download an Eloquent synthesizer  version that is compatible with NVDA 2019.3?

I tried to donate this morning and I found the spin button did not work for me.  Why can’t we use a combo box to choose the amount and another one to choose whether it is a monthly or single donation?

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 6:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2019.3 released

 

Hi everyone,

 

NV Access is very pleased to present the long awaited next installment of the world's most popular screen reader:  NVDA 2019.3!

 

NVDA 2019.3 is a very significant release containing many under-the-hood changes including the upgrade of Python 2 to Python 3, and a major re-write of NVDA’s speech subsystem. Although these changes do break compatibility with older NVDA add-ons, the upgrade to Python 3 is necessary for security, and the changes to speech allow for some exciting innovations in the near future.

Other highlights in this release include 64 bit support for Java VMs, Screen Curtain and Focus Highlight functionality, support for more braille displays and a new Braille viewer, and many many other bug fixes.

Please note, after updating any software, it is a good idea to restart the computer. Restart by going to the Shutdown dialog, selecting “restart” and pressing ENTER. Updating software can change files which are in use. This can lead to instability and strange behaviour which is resolved by rebooting. This is the first thing to try if you do notice anything odd after updating.

 

To read the full release, and download NVDA, please see the announcement at: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3-released/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

-- 

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 


Re: NVDA 2019.3 released

 

hi quentin.
i am very glad about this news!
while the best version for me as i always mentioned is 2017.2, but i
became very delighted to hear the news and wanted to appreciate you as
always!
i never forget praying for you, God bless you and His infinite mercy i
pray for you!

On 2/10/20, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi everyone,

NV Access is very pleased to present the long awaited next installment of
the world's most popular screen reader: NVDA 2019.3!

NVDA 2019.3 is a very significant release containing many under-the-hood
changes including the upgrade of Python 2 to Python 3, and a major re-write
of NVDA’s speech subsystem. Although these changes do break compatibility
with older NVDA add-ons, the upgrade to Python 3 is necessary for security,
and the changes to speech allow for some exciting innovations in the near
future.

Other highlights in this release include 64 bit support for Java VMs,
Screen Curtain and Focus Highlight functionality, support for more braille
displays and a new Braille viewer, and many many other bug fixes.

Please note, after updating any software, it is a good idea to restart the
computer. Restart by going to the Shutdown dialog, selecting “restart” and
pressing ENTER. Updating software can change files which are in use. This
can lead to instability and strange behaviour which is resolved by
rebooting. This is the first thing to try if you do notice anything odd
after updating.

To read the full release, and download NVDA, please see the announcement
at: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3-released/

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


python3 compatability list

 

Hi.

Could the link for the python 3 compatability list be either merged or added to the main addon website index please?

Also, where stuff says work in prograss or not working I am not sure how update the list actually is.

If something is compatible, there should be a download link to the latest version and if its actually completed the addon update on the site should be done.

I am not badgering people as I am sure it will be done.

I am amazed how many addons are actually compatible.

Some like jgt are just minted some like teamtalk while I didn't find them immediately I did find the addons on their homepages and updated.

On that note, dug lee it may be a good idea to make sure the dev of teamtalk has the right addon on his site both in portable versions and on his ftp.


update on the message I posted

 

The teamtalk is on dlee and I have the latest update now.


new nvda 2019.3 addon compatability update list

 

Hi.

I know some of these are compatible now or in rout.

Firstly, all the addons by nick stockton like ifinterpritors are not compatible.

if you search for nick stockton nvda addons you will find the github repo with all the repos in it.

Some of these are usefull.

Dropbox.

I know there is a version, its not on the addons website though, its link needs updating.

Image describer.

Its status is unknown right now.

Emoteicons and report simbols.

I think versions exist for this they just are not on the website.

Teamtalk.

I am not sure if I have the compatible one or not is that on dlee.org allready and the website if not this needs updating.

The espeak ng synth seems a bit abbrupt with any d or t simbol sounds like its double.

Its a minor data issue and could probably get used to.

WIndows defender is not throwing a wobly though which is good.


NVDA 2019.3 released

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

NV Access is very pleased to present the long awaited next installment of the world's most popular screen reader:  NVDA 2019.3!

NVDA 2019.3 is a very significant release containing many under-the-hood changes including the upgrade of Python 2 to Python 3, and a major re-write of NVDA’s speech subsystem. Although these changes do break compatibility with older NVDA add-ons, the upgrade to Python 3 is necessary for security, and the changes to speech allow for some exciting innovations in the near future.

Other highlights in this release include 64 bit support for Java VMs, Screen Curtain and Focus Highlight functionality, support for more braille displays and a new Braille viewer, and many many other bug fixes.

Please note, after updating any software, it is a good idea to restart the computer. Restart by going to the Shutdown dialog, selecting “restart” and pressing ENTER. Updating software can change files which are in use. This can lead to instability and strange behaviour which is resolved by rebooting. This is the first thing to try if you do notice anything odd after updating.

To read the full release, and download NVDA, please see the announcement at: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3-released/

Kind regards

Quentin.

-- 
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



Re: braille me and brltty

Josh Kennedy
 

HI sara, brltty is not an addon. It comes built into NVDA as a braille display driver and it supports the $500 braille me from atguys. Or its supposed to anyway. 

Josh


Re: Accessible text expantion tools.

William
 

Of course there is a free, open source option, Autohotkey.

Or else you can use Lintalist.

They both have resources on the web to teach you how to set up.

Ali Colak 於 16/1/2020 19:18 寫道:

Hello everyone,
Are their any text expantion tools accessible with NVDA? I've just
tried one called Phraise express, and while it is somewhat usable it
is not completely accessible. I know of some more options but I
thought I'd ask if anyone here had something to recommend.

Thanks
ALi


Re: Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

 

i dont use cloud.
but security programs are not compatible with my system, makes various
problems, even i cant use my gmail!
i never trust and use them.
i sent my email again for you and i am waiting for your response and
chatting with you.
God bless you all!

On 2/10/20, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmmm again not a good idea to not use security at all unless you purely
use the cloud or something.

I never recieved any email from you though.



On 9/02/2020 9:29 pm, zahra wrote:
but i realy dont trust any security program and never use them.
i am waiting for your email, but did not recieve your reply.
did you recieve my email in the first days of new year?

On 2/9/20, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmmm I would really like some sort of antivirus/antimalware program that
you could add an exclude list to, and freely share it about.

In the list I would like:

1. the name of the file and where it came from, and also a reason why I
excluded it.

I would also like the program to scan all my excludes and then send the
files to various companies etc after testing them with say virustotal
and such and have them fixed in the rightt databases.

I'd actually like a virustotal protection and on demand scanner but
thats probably not possible.

There are various talking winpe disks about.

The easiest way to make the thing work for linux would to use something
ubuntu mate which is easy to use or something like grml/ debian in
command mode.

I've not actually managed to get many distros work out of the box.



On 9/02/2020 1:13 am, coffeekingms@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi

I want to weigh in hear, a bit. I’m no security expert, at all, but I
see a couple of possible options hear. Are there any compatible ISO
images that can be put on a USB flash drive, windows and Linux, that
can be used to scan a drive, backup drives, etc for malware and remove
any that is found? Since we’re talking about exclusions, a way to
exclude false positives, and remove the negatives? I know virus
detection is complicated, and I don’t presume to have a perfect
solution, but it’s an option. Have whatever security software you
like, whichever works, but have a backup, that is separate from your
computer, so if gets infected by something nasty, you can boot
something self contained to work with. The images would have to be
accessible out of the box, without any setup needed, and I’m not sure
anything exists. I know for Linux there’s kali, bt I believe that’s
for penetration testing and the like. If not, I’d be happy to try to
put something together, if anyone is interested. Again, I’m not an
expert, and I’m not even sure how to do this but I’d be willing to
try. I’m not sure about the windows licensing and such, so it might
not be possible to put a windows based one together, but Linux is
another story. I’m not advocating Linux, but … oh hell. I don’t want
to start a flame war. Another option is to have backup software on a
flash drive that can run from a flash drive, but you’d need a
functioning system to run it.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Saturday, February 8, 2020 3:59 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Using no security at all is dumb and stupid.

You should always have some of it.

A false negative means you get a virus and loose stuff.

Thats happened to one of my cousins ironically because he forgot to
update his norton subscription and he lost a lot of stuff, he had to
reformat to make the problem go away.

He couldn't do that himself and had to take the pc to somewhere to get
it fixed, it cost him a lot of cash.

While I am not against using security software in general I am
dissapointed and disheartened at the reasonable amount of noise in the
scans.

I know what the false positives are and what they are but unless I make
exclude lists for my software things will just get destroyed by the
software, don't use it and its worse.

But it depends what you do.

If you just use windows store apps, email via google, etc, chances are
you will be probably fine especially if everything is done in the cloud
as there is some protection there but its not perfect.


I wouldn't go about bragging you do not use security software as it is
very dangerous.

At the same time, it does concern me that every update of the so called
databases there is a chance that something else will be added to my
noisy scan data.

This means I need to lower my security by excluding things.

I do not at any way shape or form feel good about this but what else
can
I do.

And I far better be complaining about false alarms than getting a
virus,
I just wish things would get easier.

Something changed in the year 2003 which started us down the road of
the
security nightmare we are on now.

At first, a few programs, but by 2007 we were seeing noisier and
noisier
data and by 2012 it was really bad.

Since 2015 its plattoed at a point not going up or down which I guess
is
good, however I'd like it to go back to normal.

I shouldn't get any message from my security software unless I have a
virus and can decide on the action.

Instead I get told I have a virus which is either something new, old or
that has been working before.

Instead of running malwarebytes which I no longer have installed on any
of my systems and full scanns of windows security or others, I don't
scan at all bar a quick scan or so which is done automatically.

Back in the day I would regular do this.

But now my system is infested with a lot of viruses and I know that all
of them are false positives and they never change so I don't upgrade or
anything.

Well I don't use a thirdparty scanner, put it that way.

I started with sophos but it made sure to make all the viruses go away
screwing up my system.

It took me a great deal to reinstall windows from scratch and get
everything back.

The meaning of security software is to at least be a guide to security.

I am more insecure with security software so I have to force it to
behave.

At the same time I wouldn't go without it.

All those ransomware attacks, botnets and malwarebreaches are worse
than
any false positive.

Yet I really wish they would stop.

I manage a blog and a server on wordpress and do use security software.

And I havn't lost anything that wasn't supposed to be a problem, all my
files are there, no problem.

Yet in user computers companies think they can just do what they want.






On 8/02/2020 10:05 pm, zahra wrote:
false positive and false negative, are two of the main factors that i
never trust and never use security programs, antivirus, antimalware,
etc.
not sure about firewalls, but i never used and i am not familiar with
there method and the level of there reliability.
in the previous weeks, maybe in the first days of new year, i sent an
ofline email for you,
but unfortunately i did not recieve your reply and i am waiting for
your answer!
God bless you and thanks so much for your helpful replies as always.

On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Just about every antimalware program has this false positive.

Kaspersky and a few others are supposed to be better.

Anyway what I actually said was that these programs at least some of
them detect more false than well who knows.

I have never got a virus in the last 10 years but I have got a lot of
false alarms.

Not sure about win8 etc, but yes you can exclude stuff you know is
not a
problem.

It would be good actually if you excluded the file you could report
all
your excluded files to the maker like microsoft and for each you
could
state what it was, etc and maybe get support on it.

The issue I have and maybe others, is that while some of the stuff we
know about, I spend more time stopping false alarms than actual
viruses.
I am not sure if thats a good or bad thing but its certainly stopped
me
from getting any serious security software.

If windows defender and malwarebytes cause this much trouble with a
false positive, then I really don't want to know what a really good
antivirus will say.

But basically everything on your system is a potential virus
depending
on the detections and stuff used.

And with the cloud based ai, I doubt that at the automated level
there
is much control.

If you tell them they will fix the issue but there is no reason to
think
it will stay fixed.

As a result all the false alarms make the display of the software
noisy.
As I said, right now I have so many security holes in my computer
caused
by so many folder excludes that if it wasn't for ransomware, I have
half
a mind to exclude my entire hard drive or even disable the windows
security subsystem.

However there is always the if factor so I don't.

I havn't run any full system scans in the last 10 years, and I havn't
run any malware software in the last 5 years simply because of this
issue.
With the so called inteligent stuff about bgt and maybe some older
software excluded, it seems that every software package needs a
security
certification id or something and while it would be nice to get one,
I
do wander if I could get one myself for the purpose that the software
I
have is not a problem or something.

I know some say I am just unlucky, but on all my other systems with
out
blind games, blind software and blind accessible programs there are
no
trogens at all and that in itself is a concern, no excludes on any
of my
other systems yet.

Maybe I may exclude nvda just because I am concerned but still, maybe
I
have over excluded because of all this going on.


On 8/02/2020 7:18 pm, zahra wrote:
Shaun,
did i understand it correctly?
i think that antivirus programs especially microsoft products,
scan the entire system and maybe remove our necessary and important
files even maybe nvda or even other files including html, docx,
audio
and video files?
i remember that in one of the iranian websites,
someone recorded a tutorial which explained how to exclude our
desired
folders from scanning by deffender.
his tutorial was for windows ten.
does windows deffender on windows 8 and 8.1 does the same things,
and
it may removes our essential and important files without worning or
informing us about this matter?

On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah some of that software uses autoit and that is known to make
viruses.

At any rate its clunkey and slow as a language so I wouldn't bother
using programs written in it but you should be able to exclude
things.
Yeah when microsoft security etc cleans things it turns user
account
control on at 33% by default.



On 8/02/2020 3:41 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Quenton,

In addition, I always have Defender set to update to the latest
version. I have had odd issues with it in the past. If you are
familiar with Steve's Clock, Defender flagged that consistently.
Even
after I allowed it under Defender settings, every time Windows
updates, it flags it again. I had to go into the settings and
manually exempt the Steve's clock folder from Defender scans. Even
then, it always brings up User Account Control when I run it. It
never comes up in start up--even though I have it set to run at
start
up. I have reported this to both the program developer and
Microsoft
with no change. I am glad that this isn't happening with NVDA
on my
system.


On 2/7/2020 1:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I believe this only affects Windows 10 at this stage? Perhaps
Rosemarie and Ron are using Windows 7? Or their Defender hasn't
updated to the latest definitions maybe?

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com
<mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com>> wrote:

Hi Group,

I also do not have this issue with RC3.


On 2/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Quentin,

I'm not having this problem on my system. I'm using
espeak but I
wonder if I should use something else just to be on the
safe
side.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin
Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:14 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Hi folks,

It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our
turn for
Microsoft's random unfounded accusations. If you try to
install
the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender
will
alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and blocked
it.
The install of NVDA will fail.

As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy
of the
RC and that should run fine. You won't be able to use
eSpeak
NG.

NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak
NG (it
uses a different build of eSpeak NG).

I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as
well. I
have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage
everyone
else to as well. To be honest, even aside from it being
our
program affected, this really annoys me. Defender has
NOT found
a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning) has
guessed
that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that
happens,
but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious
software has been found.

It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have
NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be
within about
the same timeline this time around. Apologies for the
inconvenience.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/
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<http://www.nvaccess.org/>
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Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

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Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a
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--
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Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/
Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
<http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
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Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: update on my keys loosing control.

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yep. Did that and it would work for all of maybe 5 minutes, then get software stuck. I even tried this with narrator on, and when I quit the programs I was running. I had to hold the left control for about 5 seconds and then the problem would go away, until ...

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On 9 Feb 2020, at 23:01, John Isige wrote:

You've tried holding down the six modifier keys for a few seconds? Both
shifts, alts, and controls. That doesn't always work but it sometimes
does. This used to happen to me occasionally and I never did figure it
out, but it's mostly quit. This was pre-1909 too. If you're on something
like a Surface, which lacks a right control, just hold whatever you've
got available.


On 2/10/2020 0:28, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Yep, it effected all keyboards hooked up even a USB one I have. So
this is a windows issue I believe.

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On 9 Feb 2020, at 21:06, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


Did you try another keyboard?


We had a netbook that started going weird with the keyboard. we
plugged in another keyboard and disabled the one on the lap top or
did it swap across.

Things went fine until we unplugged it and the problems started again.


it ended up we had to replace the keyboard on the lap top but was
lucky a friend did it for us which I think was 40 bucks or so and
if at a shop extra to install it.


Some times on the lap top keyboards crumbs etc if eating near it
will jam keys etc so run like a vacuum hose or some thing like
that to try and suck it up or even turn the laptop so the keyboard
is facing down and give the lap top a couple of wacks to try and
loosen the crumbs etc but do not drop it when doing it.


Gene nz



On 10/02/2020 3:33 pm, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Hello to all. I'm really starting to get frustrated here. I
was just minding my own business and NVDA decided to lose
control. so did narrator. I hve no clue if this is a windows
issue, but it did start with 1909 last year and now happens
every 30 or so seconds or when it wants to. I remember
discussion on the list about this some months ago. and a
solution never was come up wiht. A restart is not working ehre
as it will just happen out of the blue even when my system is
not busy. Here is the log I managed to gather. I hear braille
tethered to focus btw when I try and check the title. I think
the control key might be getting stuck but I have no clue how
to software unstick it. I tried tapping it and no release. it
will just happen at random. Here is my log.


INFO - __main__ (18:05:47.444):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.887):
Config dir: C:\Users\Sarah\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:05:48.887):
Loading config: C:\Users\Sarah\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
NVDA version 2019.2.1
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using Windows version 10.0.18363 workstation
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar  4 2019,
01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using comtypes version 1.1.7
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:05:49.750):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
INFO - core.main (18:05:49.750):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:05:49.752):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (18:05:49.753):
Using liblouis version 3.10.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:05:49.756):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0
cells.
WARNING - core.main (18:05:49.801):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:05:49.812):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6
INFO - external:globalPlugins.translate.GlobalPlugin.__init__
(18:05:54.545):
Translate module initialized, translating to en
INFO - core.main (18:05:54.931):
NVDA initialized
INFO - __main__ (18:05:47.444):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.887):
Config dir: C:\Users\Sarah\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:05:48.887):
Loading config: C:\Users\Sarah\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
NVDA version 2019.2.1
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using Windows version 10.0.18363 workstation
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar  4 2019,
01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using comtypes version 1.1.7
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:05:49.750):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
INFO - core.main (18:05:49.750):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:05:49.752):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (18:05:49.753):
Using liblouis version 3.10.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:05:49.756):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0
cells.
WARNING - core.main (18:05:49.801):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:05:49.812):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6
INFO - external:globalPlugins.translate.GlobalPlugin.__init__
(18:05:54.545):
Translate module initialized, translating to en
INFO - core.main (18:05:54.931):
NVDA initialized
             so is there a way I can fix this? It is driving
me nuts. I hold the control key for about 15 seconds, it
works, then as soon as I try and do something it gets stuck.
In fact it took me about 20 minutes to write this as the
control key keyt sticking. I did disable updates as a test and
it still got stuck, and the only windows update was a security
one for  the scanner.


Please help?



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