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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 21.04 released #addonrelease

Chris Smart
 

On 2021-04-27 3:06 p.m., Pauline Smith wrote:
I'm sure this query has been answered more than once.  My apologies for asking again.  Where do you get this and other add-ons?

Pauline


On 4/23/2021 12:51 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

Windows 10 App Essentials 21.04 is now available.

In addition to source code refinements, this update is dedicated to Calculator app. Specifically:

  • NvDA will announce results window when Delete (including Numpad Delete) is pressed to clear results.
  • NVDA will braille expressions and results on a braille display.

 

IMPORTANT NOTICE on Windows 10 feature update compatibility: the next version of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on will be the last version to support Windows 10 Version 2004 (May 2020 Update/build 19041). Also, although not set in stone yet, the next version may also require NVDA 2020.4 or later.

Cheers,

Joseph



Question about "Drag and drop" NVDA add-on

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I just saw a refference on another list about an NVDA “Drag and drop” add-on with a direct link.  When I looked on the NVDA add-ons website, it wasn’t there.  I only use add-ons that have been placed on the add-ons website, and therefore vetted by NV Access.  Am I missing something?
 
Thanks,
 
Louise


Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 21.04 released #addonrelease

Pauline Smith
 

I'm sure this query has been answered more than once.  My apologies for asking again.  Where do you get this and other add-ons?

Pauline


On 4/23/2021 12:51 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

Windows 10 App Essentials 21.04 is now available.

In addition to source code refinements, this update is dedicated to Calculator app. Specifically:

  • NvDA will announce results window when Delete (including Numpad Delete) is pressed to clear results.
  • NVDA will braille expressions and results on a braille display.

 

IMPORTANT NOTICE on Windows 10 feature update compatibility: the next version of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on will be the last version to support Windows 10 Version 2004 (May 2020 Update/build 19041). Also, although not set in stone yet, the next version may also require NVDA 2020.4 or later.

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: Reading just text in red

Fernando Henrique Botelho
 

Fantastic! Thank you very much. I will give it a try.

 

Best,

 

Fernando

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh via groups.io
Sent: Monday, 26 April 2021 21:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading just text in red

 

It would work in any browse mode, not only in browser. In particular, it should work in MS Word. Not sure about Excel though, I am not familiar with how NVDA interacts with it. You also mentioned email messages - it should work in both Outlook and Thunderbird - and any other email client as long as they present email in HTML format.

On 4/26/2021 3:05 PM, Fernando Henrique Botelho wrote:

This would be perfect, except that I would need it on a normal application, rather than on the browser.

 

Thanks though, it is good to know of this add-on.

 

Best,

 

Fernando

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh via groups.io
Sent: Monday, 26 April 2021 13:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading just text in red

 

Not quite what you're looking for, but in my BrowserNav add-on, I have a keystroke "Jump to next format change" assigned to tilde key by default (`). You can use it to find the next word written in a different color, but then you'd have to still manually check the color for example with NVDA+F keystroke.

HTH

--Tony

 

On 4/16/2021 1:36 PM, Fernando Henrique Botelho wrote:

Dear all,

 

Does NVDA offer a way to read only the text which is shown in red, or only the text which is shown in a color other than the predominant color in a given e-mail message or Word/Excel document?

 

I sometimes get e-mail messages where someone has made comments in a color which is different from that of the text being commented. I am hoping there is a quick way to tell NVDA to just read that portion of the document.

 

Thanks,

 

Fernando

 


Re: NVDA add on question

Sarah k Alawami
 

I guess ask. What did you have in mind. Maybe someone might be able to help you. Thre is also an add ons list I believe you can ask on, as you might be able to get more help there. Look at nvda’s sub groups for more.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nicholas Stevens
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 9:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA add on question

 

Hi all,

How do I know if an add on or script can be made for NVDA to work with a specific program?

Regards

Nicholas Stevens


NVDA add on question

Nicholas Stevens
 

Hi all,

How do I know if an add on or script can be made for NVDA to work with a specific program?

Regards

Nicholas Stevens


Re: Focus keeps shifting in NVDA

 

I also should have asked exactly what make and model of computer you're using, and in particular whether this is a laptop with a touchscreen?

I have my doubts about mouse tracking, as far as a regular mouse goes since most don't keep them anywhere near to where they could bump them by accident, and most turn their mousepads off when they're using a screen reader.  But, touchscreens don't get disabled (though they can be) and they do go wonky.  I've replaced a number of them that seem to have ghosts touching them at random places.  I've also disabled that feature for individuals who don't actually use the touchscreen and where that misbehavior is exhibiting itself.  The actual monitor is not the problem, it's the digitizer gone bad.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Re: Focus keeps shifting in NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

Are we sure it’s even a windows issue? I have focus s assist off and I don’t get notifications, I mean I do but I just silence them. I’m used to it. I guess turn off speech for now and see, or leave speech to beeps and you can type in WinWord             and correct mistakes. I did this for years without speech, but I know my way around a keyboard as I used to type dictated reports without speech when my sister got tired.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 7:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Focus keeps shifting in NVDA

 

My initial suggestion would be turning on Focus Assist in Win10.  If you open Settings and type focus in the search box it's the first item in the list of settings options that shows up in the list beneath the edit box where you're typing.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Re: Focus keeps shifting in NVDA

Tyler Spivey
 

The first thing I would try is disabling NVDA's mouse tracking. You're probably moving the mouse, and it reads what's under it.

On 4/27/2021 5:51 AM, David Griffith wrote:
I think I must have inadvertently changed some verbosity setting  or focus  settings in NVDA.
My problem is that is keeps on making announcements from areas of the screen apart from the main Window in which I am working.
So for example I have just been listening to a lecture I recorded in VLC.
However NVDA keeps on interrupting the lecture by announcing things which are not at all useful like  for example most recently, “Show Desktop” and  “no new notifications”” which seem to relate to the Action Centre.
It seems to be announcing items and their status from the notification area and the Task Bar even when the focus is not on that area.
Does anybody know  why this might be happening and what I can do to resume normal focus verbosity.
Obviously I can turn speech off if listening to VLC but this is less useful if I am for example typing in Word.
David Griffith
or
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10


Re: Focus keeps shifting in NVDA

 

My initial suggestion would be turning on Focus Assist in Win10.  If you open Settings and type focus in the search box it's the first item in the list of settings options that shows up in the list beneath the edit box where you're typing.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Focus keeps shifting in NVDA

David Griffith
 

I think I must have inadvertently changed some verbosity setting  or focus  settings in NVDA.

My problem is that is keeps on making announcements from areas of the screen apart from the main Window in which I am working.

So for example I have just been listening to a lecture I recorded in VLC.

However NVDA keeps on interrupting the lecture by announcing things which are not at all useful like  for example most recently, “Show Desktop” and  “no new notifications”” which seem to relate to the Action Centre.

It seems to be announcing items and their status from the notification area and the Task Bar even when the focus is not on that area.

Does anybody know  why this might be happening and what I can do to resume normal focus verbosity.

Obviously I can turn speech off if listening to VLC but this is less useful if I am for example typing in Word.

David Griffith

 

 

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Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Reading just text in red

Tony Malykh
 

It would work in any browse mode, not only in browser. In particular, it should work in MS Word. Not sure about Excel though, I am not familiar with how NVDA interacts with it. You also mentioned email messages - it should work in both Outlook and Thunderbird - and any other email client as long as they present email in HTML format.

On 4/26/2021 3:05 PM, Fernando Henrique Botelho wrote:

This would be perfect, except that I would need it on a normal application, rather than on the browser.

 

Thanks though, it is good to know of this add-on.

 

Best,

 

Fernando

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh via groups.io
Sent: Monday, 26 April 2021 13:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading just text in red

 

Not quite what you're looking for, but in my BrowserNav add-on, I have a keystroke "Jump to next format change" assigned to tilde key by default (`). You can use it to find the next word written in a different color, but then you'd have to still manually check the color for example with NVDA+F keystroke.

HTH

--Tony

 

On 4/16/2021 1:36 PM, Fernando Henrique Botelho wrote:

Dear all,

 

Does NVDA offer a way to read only the text which is shown in red, or only the text which is shown in a color other than the predominant color in a given e-mail message or Word/Excel document?

 

I sometimes get e-mail messages where someone has made comments in a color which is different from that of the text being commented. I am hoping there is a quick way to tell NVDA to just read that portion of the document.

 

Thanks,

 

Fernando

 


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

 

After this message, this topic is now locked:

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 06:14 PM, Fernando Henrique Botelho wrote:
It is very easy to ignore things one does not use often. I do that all the time.

NVDA+S is something I use very often, and this is why it is an entirely different situation.
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And I, and a number of others, have told you how to solve your problem:  the NoBeepsSpeechMode Add-On.

For the love of heaven, you have nothing, nothing at all, to be complaining about!  Your issue had already been solved before you ever asked about it.  If you don't want beeps speech mode you need not have it. 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Fernando Henrique Botelho
 

It is very easy to ignore things one does not use often. I do that all the time.

NVDA+S is something I use very often, and this is why it is an entirely different situation.

Fernando

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 18:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

I honestly can't believe this is that big of a deal. Since some people value the setting of having beeps and as we do have an addon to block the setting from being shown may I ask why on earth this is even a thing? Those who like the feature obviously have a use for it. Those who don't need it can simply ignore it or installing an addon. I realize I can easily suppress this thread and I may well do so but is this really all that important? There are many screen reader features that I personally don't need or use. I ignore them. Can't others just do the same and get on with bigger issues?


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field.
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 5:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

I think a more reasonable solution to this would be to include a checkbox somewhere in NVDA settings, called "disable beeps speech mode".
In other words: make the current add-on part of core, behind a checkbox, maybe in advanced.

Related issue:
Changing the pitch of the beeps: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fnvaccess%2Fnvda%2Fissues%2F9308&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C0cf0165ba34d458882b408d901e5056a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637542905410273245%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=l6K9hkP%2FWg%2BJvWrI1udpmoJtxY28GuOvro%2BCRhRyse4%3D&amp;reserved=0

Luke

Andre Fisher wrote:

Once for off, once for on. Twice for beeps, once for on. It's quite
simple. A maajority of the NVDA users out there don't use beeps, so
pressing twice for beeps would not rattle any new users out there. However, having to press once for off, then twice to turn it back on would certainly turn off new users to the screen reader, who may not know about add-ons and where to find them, or those who may not even be able to install add-ons in certain environments.


Re: Reading just text in red

 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 05:58 PM, Fernando Henrique Botelho wrote:
The problem is that the comments in red were sent on an e-mail in Outlook.
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Which means that they are most likely in HTML, which means that the Add-On mentioned by Tony is likely applicable.

However, you're still going to have an issue with *only* what's in red (or whatever color) being spoken.  The searches I've tried will land you at the start of that text, but I don't know that the screen reader will read only what's highlighted as part of the find.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Re: Noticing that "Family" being mispronounced with some speech engines

 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 06:01 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
Somehow, I doubt this is the place for the prescriptivists and descriptivists to go to war.
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About which I agree entirely.  But I do think it's important to note that synths are going to go "descriptivist" in their pronunciations since common pronunciation is the ne plus ultra of what communicates what's intended.  That was really my central, and only, point.

We'd find it very strange were every English synth to speak The Queen's English, but with a regional/national accent.  I'd imagine the same applies no matter what the language.  Synths are trying to emulate common pronunciation as much as possible.

But, I'll come back to what I said at the outset:  NVAccess is not responsible for what synths do, nor do they change what synths do.  If you have a real issue complain to your synth's maker.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Re: Reading just text in red

Fernando Henrique Botelho
 

This would be perfect, except that I would need it on a normal application, rather than on the browser.

 

Thanks though, it is good to know of this add-on.

 

Best,

 

Fernando

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh via groups.io
Sent: Monday, 26 April 2021 13:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading just text in red

 

Not quite what you're looking for, but in my BrowserNav add-on, I have a keystroke "Jump to next format change" assigned to tilde key by default (`). You can use it to find the next word written in a different color, but then you'd have to still manually check the color for example with NVDA+F keystroke.

HTH

--Tony

 

On 4/16/2021 1:36 PM, Fernando Henrique Botelho wrote:

Dear all,

 

Does NVDA offer a way to read only the text which is shown in red, or only the text which is shown in a color other than the predominant color in a given e-mail message or Word/Excel document?

 

I sometimes get e-mail messages where someone has made comments in a color which is different from that of the text being commented. I am hoping there is a quick way to tell NVDA to just read that portion of the document.

 

Thanks,

 

Fernando

 


Re: Noticing that "Family" being mispronounced with some speech engines

Chris Smart
 

Somehow, I doubt this is the place for the prescriptivists and descriptivists to go to war. 🤷‍♂️



On 2021-04-26 5:12 p.m., Brian Vogel wrote:
I do not know if other English speaking countries routinely say, Fam ill ee, but based on the amount of British TV I watch, it's not common there.

The 'i' in family has been elided out for longer than I've been alive, and that elision really can't be called "incorrect."

And I have plenty of pet peeves on pronunciation and usages, too, but in the end the only way a language is correctly described is "as it is spoken or written," and the two are not necessarily the same.  All languages evolve over time.  There are people who rail at the use of "enormity" for "enormousness" and "gay" for "homosexual."  Those ships, and many others, have sailed the moment that most speakers of a language community understand exactly what's meant when a non-preferred usage occurs.

I'm almost sixty years old, and the only time I've encountered the I in family voiced is in poetry or song, and not often then.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Re: Reading just text in red

Fernando Henrique Botelho
 

Thank you very much. It is good to know of this way to do searches in Word, in addition to the usual track changes.

 

The problem is that the comments in red were sent on an e-mail in Outlook. I will check and see if Outlook has a search option such as the one you describe in Word.

 

Thanks again,

 

 

Fernando

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen via groups.io
Sent: Monday, 26 April 2021 03:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading just text in red

 

Are they using a different colour, or are they using track changes?  In Word, there is a feature called track changes.  So, if you send me a document, I can turn on track changes, then read it and delete and insert text and make changes I want, then send it back to you.  The inserted text appears as red and with an underline.  Deleted text is red with strikethrough.  If that's what they've used, press alt+r, h, 1 to jump to the next change or alt+r, f to jump to the previous change.

 

In Word, you can also do a search (use CONTROL+H rather than CONTROL+F) and under "more" (ALT+M), go to "Format" (ALT+O) then select the appropriate format type (Font in this case) and settings (colour).

 

Once you search, you can then use CONTROL+PAGE UP and CONTROL+PAGE DOWN to move between instances of the specified formatting.  Note that track changes doesn't appear as a change in formatting, so you can't use this method for that.  But it works great if they have actually changed the font colour.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 6:37 AM Fernando Henrique Botelho <fbotelho@...> wrote:

Dear all,

 

Does NVDA offer a way to read only the text which is shown in red, or only the text which is shown in a color other than the predominant color in a given e-mail message or Word/Excel document?

 

I sometimes get e-mail messages where someone has made comments in a color which is different from that of the text being commented. I am hoping there is a quick way to tell NVDA to just read that portion of the document.

 

Thanks,

 

Fernando

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


Re: [Solved] Synth ring not working

Janet Brandly
 

Hi Brian, thanks for that info. The real problems happen when I try to use the full-sized keyboard but forget to connect it, LOL.

Janet

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: April 24, 2021 12:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [Solved] Synth ring not working

 

On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 06:00 PM, Janet Brandly wrote:

I forgot that I still have to use the laptop keyboard layout even though I am using an external full keyboard.

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And a big SECONDED!! of Luke's observation that you absolutely do not have to use the laptop keyboard layout unless you are using a laptop directly, and that laptop has a keyboard that does not have the built-in number pad (which is relatively few of them, but they do exist).  If you have one of those, but have an external full sized keyboard connected, and wish to use desktop layout instead, all you need to do is tweak your NVDA configuration.

If your laptop with "compact keyboard" is not ever being used as an actual laptop when out of wherever you usually use it, and is effectively non-mobile, then if you're using an external full-sized keyboard it's perfectly safe to change your layout to desktop.  The problem would come in when you unplug that external keyboard and were to try to use the laptop without it, and forgot to switch back to laptop layout before doing so.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 

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