Date   

updating NVDA alpha

mattias
 

Seems litle buggy

I can download updates but everytime i try to update it says

File in use

It has worked fine before

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 


Re: Reading PDFs in Edge Seemingly Broken

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Sascha,

I agree with you.  The rendering of PDF files from my bank for example, is much better than the latest version of Acrobat Reader.  for once thing, for some reason, every time I load a file directly into Acrobat Reader, I get a blank page with a title 'reader view.'  This is rather new--only beginning with an update of Acrobat Reader some time in 2019, but to dismiss this, pressing escape or control + F4 does not work.  You have to alt + tab away from the program and then alt + tab back to it and then press escape.  Then you get the 'processing, please wait, percentage and then finally the document loads.  After that, the rendering is seldom as clean and structured as in the new Edge browser.


On 4/14/2020 4:58 PM, Sascha Cowley via groups.io wrote:

Hi Brian,

Personally, the only reason I use Edge is to read PDFs. I find that, almost all of the time, the way it interprets them is much better than Acrobat. If you can suggest a better alternative, I'd love to hear about it!


Regards,
Sascha

On 15/04/2020 02:06, Brian Vogel wrote:
For anyone who is of the same opinion I am, and cannot stand dealing with PDFs within browser windows anyway, it is possible to make any browser open them using the system PDF reader you have installed on your system and set as the default.  I never like dealing with PDFs except in a dedicated PDF Editor or reader.  Instructions follow.

Making Chromium-based Browsers (Chrome, Brave, New Edge, etc.) Open PDFs in Your System Reader

  1. Ensure that the PDF Reader of your choosing  is installed on your computer.  Also make sure that it is what is set to handle files with the PDF extension (which it generally is already).
  2. Activate the Menu button (ALT+F), then choose Settings.
  3. What you do now will vary slightly based on the browser.
    1. For Chrome and Brave, in the Privacy and Security pane, select Site Settings.  For Brave you will have to activate the Additional Settings button before the Privacy and Security pane item becomes visible and accessible.
    2. For Edge, simply choose the Site Permissions pane.
  4. Scroll down and select “PDF documents“.
  5. You are now at the toggle that you need to switch to ON.  How it’s labeled varies slightly among the browsers:
    1. Chrome: Download PDF files instead of opening them automatically in Chrome
    2. Edge: Always open PDF files externally
    3. Brave: Download PDF files instead of automatically opening them in Brave

At this point close out of settings to save the changes you’ve made

Now when a PDF file is triggered, it will download via your browser just like any other file.  If you have things set up to go to your Downloads folder, that’s where it will be placed.  If you have the browser set up to ask you where to save it, you’ll get the save dialog.  Once the download is finished, the typical status comes up on the bottom of the screen indicating it’s complete, and giving you options of what to do if you activate the button for that file.  If you select the downloaded PDF file at the bottom of the window, then choose Open, then the file will open in a separate Reader window.  If you also activate the “Always open files of this type” option from then on any PDF file will not only automatically download, but automatically open in the PDF Reader you have set as the default one on your system.

 

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Reading PDFs in Edge Seemingly Broken

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Arleen and Group,

The odd thing about this non function of the otkeys is that when you highlight the buttons in the tool bar by using the tab key it says things like: 'settings button alt + S, help and feedback F1, home alt + home, settings and more alt + S.  None of the hotkeys with the alt key combinations work.


On 4/14/2020 12:42 PM, Arlene wrote:

Hi Ron. I forgot to say I not only have to do that same thing with NVDA. I have to do the same thing with Jaws too.  I have the latest build with both screen readers. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: April 14, 2020 8:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading PDFs in Edge Seemingly Broken

 

Hi Sascha,

 

I am not having difficulty reading PDF documents in Edge. However, I am

having trouble with the shortcut keys. Alt + S for settings alt + H for

help and so on. None of them seem to work.  I have to use the tab key to

access the tool bar to get at any of these items.  I wonder if anyone

else is having this difficulty.

 

 

On 4/14/2020 2:31 AM, Sascha Cowley via groups.io wrote:

> Hi All,

> It would seem that, as of Edge version 81, reading PDFs with NVDA is

> broken. The contents of the document can still be found using the

> navigator, but the document is reported as being blank in browse mode.

> The issue seems to have been fixed in Edge version 83, but this is

> still 2 versions (6-12 weeks) away from becoming a stable release, and

> much can change in that time.

> Regards,

> Sascha

>

 

--

They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

 

 

 

 


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: NVDA DAISY structure error

Curtis Delzer
 

If you want, I can do all of this, for I have the software I use to create books with, give me a link and I can probably fix it in less than an hour of work or so, easy peezy. I do this every day so it is no great shakes for me.



Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

curtis@calweb.com

On 4/14/2020 4:34 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Robert,
Sorry for the problems, I'm aware of this issue, and I've been trying to chase up Glen who recorded the audio version for us, however I haven't been able to get hold of him - with the closure of a lot of places and changes to work arrangements he might not be getting those messages.
If you are listening to the MP3 files (not using the Daisy structure) then the easiest solution is to renaming the files (rename everything before chapter 10 to add a 0 to the start).
Using the daisy version it will require the daisy creation software.  I will look into what is involved in that myself now.
Regards
Quentin.
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 7:25 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@gmail.com <mailto:kingettr@gmail.com>> wrote:
[Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: I clerified some language and gave a hyperlink to the book
in the NV Access store.]
I've been trying to fix this all day and I can't figure out how to
fix the book structure errors in the basic training for NVDA audio
DAISY version.
Listening to the book on my stream, After chapter 1, section 1, it
jumps to section 10, rather than going to chapter 2.
For example. After section 1.3. It jumps to chapter 10, and
continues on until 16.6, where it goes back to section 2.1 after
that chapter.
I've tried renaming all the files in the daisy book, but it still
plays in that strange order. Is there something else I can try to
fix this behavior?
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ <https://certification.nvaccess.org/>
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda <https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>


Re: NVDA DAISY structure error

 

Hmmph, rebuild the book again.

Name files from0 to 9 as follows.

00

01 all to 09

then 10 11 12, etc.

put the number at the start of the filename of the mp3s.

Its how media players work.

What may be happening is you have 01 filename or filename 01 filename 02.

If you do it by filename numberless its likely to do it am alphabetical, so a b c d e f etc.

If you number the file it may see 01, but not 002, so 1 then everything with 1 in it, 1 10 up to 19 then 2 20 up up to 99.

You can also do it the way apple does it 0101 up to 01122 though its a bit bad for a book.

I use the 01 or 001 on my audio and then it plays things right for normal music and books.

Some programs that do this for say cd wripping will name things a b c d or whatever but put numbers after the track so track01.

Thats ok but it needs to be 01 name

02 name.

The other way to handle that is use a m3u to play things in the order you want but independant doing well.

Then again, if you know what all the files are, and put them in the order to be played  in the xml then it shouldn't matter.



On 15/04/2020 7:10 am, Robert Kingett wrote:

I've been trying to fix this all day and I can't figure out how to fix the book structure errors in the audio DAISY version.

Listening to the book on my stream, After chapter 1, section 1, it jumps to section 10, rather than going to chapter 2.

For example. After section 1.3. It jumps to chapter 10, and continues on until 16.6, where it goes back to section 2.1 after that chapter.

I've tried renaming all the files in the daisy book, but it still plays in that strange order. Is there something else I can try to fix this behavior?


Re: Tips for a new nvda user

Judith Pelaez <judithp1997@...>
 

Hi Geise,

Yes, I have used jaws before and that is exactly what I’m used to so thank you for your help.


On Apr 14, 2020, at 6:28 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:


Hi Judith,

Assuming you are coming from another screenreader, then often the biggest thing for people is the voice, although depending on how you use your other screen reader, you might find that you need to modify some of NVDA's default settings to be more like what you are used to.  If you are coming from Jaws, there is a handy guide for things you might find useful here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/SwitchingFromJawsToNVDA

If you are coming from Window Eyes there is also a guide: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/Switching-from-Window-Eyes-to-NVDA

And just on the voices on their own, we have a page of extra voices here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ExtraVoices

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 12:55 AM Judith Pelaez via groups.io <judithp1997=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi guys,
 
Yes, I do have friends who use NVDA on a daily basis but still, I wanted to get some other points of you as well.
 
What do you think is essential for a user to have to be able to use NVDA comfortably on a daily basis?
 
I appreciate everyone’s help and I hope you stay safe and have an amazing evening/day/night.



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: NVDA DAISY structure error

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Robert,

Sorry for the problems, I'm aware of this issue, and I've been trying to chase up Glen who recorded the audio version for us, however I haven't been able to get hold of him - with the closure of a lot of places and changes to work arrangements he might not be getting those messages.
If you are listening to the MP3 files (not using the Daisy structure) then the easiest solution is to renaming the files (rename everything before chapter 10 to add a 0 to the start).

Using the daisy version it will require the daisy creation software.  I will look into what is involved in that myself now.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 7:25 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: I clerified some language and gave a hyperlink to the book in the NV Access store.]

I've been trying to fix this all day and I can't figure out how to fix the book structure errors in the basic training for NVDA audio DAISY version.

Listening to the book on my stream, After chapter 1, section 1, it jumps to section 10, rather than going to chapter 2.

For example. After section 1.3. It jumps to chapter 10, and continues on until 16.6, where it goes back to section 2.1 after that chapter.

I've tried renaming all the files in the daisy book, but it still plays in that strange order. Is there something else I can try to fix this behavior?



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Tips for a new nvda user

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Judith,

Assuming you are coming from another screenreader, then often the biggest thing for people is the voice, although depending on how you use your other screen reader, you might find that you need to modify some of NVDA's default settings to be more like what you are used to.  If you are coming from Jaws, there is a handy guide for things you might find useful here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/SwitchingFromJawsToNVDA

If you are coming from Window Eyes there is also a guide: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/Switching-from-Window-Eyes-to-NVDA

And just on the voices on their own, we have a page of extra voices here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ExtraVoices

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 12:55 AM Judith Pelaez via groups.io <judithp1997=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi guys,
 
Yes, I do have friends who use NVDA on a daily basis but still, I wanted to get some other points of you as well.
 
What do you think is essential for a user to have to be able to use NVDA comfortably on a daily basis?
 
I appreciate everyone’s help and I hope you stay safe and have an amazing evening/day/night.



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Reading PDFs in Edge Seemingly Broken

Gene
 

There is an objective comparison that can be made, however.  For example, unless this has changed in recent versions of Acrobat Reader, it didn’t decolumnize columns in logical reading order properly enough of the time to be a problem.  I don’t work with PDF documents much, but when I have, I have found that decolumnized documents often have information in the wrong place.
 
Using OCR often helps greatly with this problem. Perhaps Edge decolumnizes PDF documents much better.  I hope so.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading PDFs in Edge Seemingly Broken
 
Sascha,

          When it comes to matters of preference, "better" is relative.   If Edge works, and is most pleasant, for you then, by all means, that's what you should use.

           I do not know whether the following works in the stable version of Edge, but in the Dev versions hitting ALT+SHIFT+I will open a feedback mechanism that is dedicated strictly to Edge.  If something has broken that previously worked, I strongly suggest you log feedback.  If that method does not work within Edge, then do so via the Windows 10 Feedback Hub app.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Uninstalling/Reinstalling NVDA - What happens behind the scenes?

Jonathan COHN
 

Brian,

Personal settings are s in the NVDA directory that can be gotten to by typing %appdata% in a run dialog.

HTH!

Jonathan

 

 

From: Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 6:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Uninstalling/Reinstalling NVDA - What happens behind the scenes?

 

External email alert: Be wary of links & attachments.

Thank you to Tyler and Molly for confirming what I thought I had recalled.  I have recommended to another member doing an uninstall/reinstall in an attempt to solve an issue that just doesn't want to be fixed, and when that occurs with any piece of software after "all the usual methods to fix" have bombed out.  I told her to hold off, though, until I could confirm that it was only NVDA proper, and not associated data, that would be nuked and paved (as the saying goes).
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: check boxes dont' work in sim tool kit pro

Jonathan COHN
 

Sarah,

I reviewed large portions of your log even though I only wanted to see the information about the active control you were concerned about. It appears that  after getting into the Sim program, you did quite a bit of navigation by link, header, and form field. Eventually, you arrived on a button called “t” “a” “f” at which point you typed insert f1 whereupon NVDA described all the parameters of that button including that it had a label defined by the developer. This button has a state of pushbutton, which I am not sure if that means hat it has some state or not. In JAWS  pushbuttons usually have a aria-pushed value to indicate if they are in or out. If indeed this TAF button is supposed to have two states, have the developer make sure that aria-pressed is toggled between true and false as appropriate.

HTH!

Jonathan

 


locked Re: Owner's Note: Emergency Message, Please Read #adminnotice

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi Nimer. I too want to thank you for this message.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 3:09 PM
To: NVDA@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Owner's Note: Emergency Message, Please Read #adminnotice

 

Hello everyone,

 

I don't make it a point to come on this list often, wearing my list owner hat, but today is one of these days. Please read and respect the following message:

 

In the era of covid19, there are many people struggling. Many are looking for objective information. Many are looking for reassurance. And, alas, a few are making it a point to use their energies to spread conspiracy theories, false information, and lies about the virus. This is unfortunate, dangerous, and will not be tolerated in this forum, or any subgroup. Any comments that covid19 is not real, it is just government taking over, the many deaths are fake, etc, will not be tolerated. This warning results from messages sent to the chat subgroup. I completely understand that social distancing is difficult, and to that end, you may join the chat subgroup, reach out to friends, engage in online events, enjoy time in nature while maintaining physical distance from others, etc. You can also reach out to nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io if we can do anything to help you, or guide you to resources which may be of assistance to you. 

 

To demonstrate the seriousness of this issue, any member wishing to spread misinformation, conspiracies, or lies about covid19 will receive an immediate, no-questions-asked ban. It will be a ban that I will most likely forget to lift. There is no recourse for appeal, no discussion necessary.

 

Furthermore, if you read a message which seems to hint at a conspiracy on this, or a subgroup of this list, please send the offending message on to nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io and you can be sure that it will be handled promptly.

 

Please, let this message be your only warning. My hope is that no further event like this will take place, but if it does, there will be no additional warning or reminder. I will ask Brian to add something to the list  rules which are sent out monthly as a reminder to those joining this list.

 

If you have any questions, please send them to nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io. If you disagree with the policy, don't bother sending an email though, as I will not be changing my mind.

 

--

Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
up to you. Thanks.

Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for Windows, visit nvaccess.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (970) (393-4481) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.

 

Thank you, and have a great day!


locked Re: Owner's Note: Emergency Message, Please Read #adminnotice

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Nimer,

I too want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for this message. I know this virus is real because we've lost over 7000 people--and that's just in California alone. Just about everybody in my immediate family is at high risk. I'm asthmatic and my youngest sister has stage 2 C O P D. My mother has a heart valve that's narrowing. The doctor doesn't want to risk her having open-heart surgery due to her age. She'll be 90 on her next birthday. It saddens me to think that someone would have the nerve to spread lies about this pandemic. That person should be ashamed of himself for doing that.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 2:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Owner's Note: Emergency Message, Please Read #adminnotice

Hello Nimer,


I wish to sincerely thank you from the depth of my soul for this message.


I'm in Italy, as you probably know, and our country has been and is still struggling with new cases and hundreds of deaths every day.


I've lost some friends, and friends of mine have lost parents, children
or otherrelatives.


Hearing and reading stuff ike that is really too much for me.


Unfortunately those hteories are spreading fast, here as well.


this isthe dark side of technology. Please, don't let's lend ourselves
to it.


Thanks again Nimer, with tears in my eyes.


Blessings to you and all.

Stay safe, wherever you are, and may you be spared the suffering that so
many people and families I know have had to go through, and still are
going through.


Ciao,

Ollie




On 14/04/2020 21:09, Nimer Jaber wrote:
Hello everyone,

I don't make it a point to come on this list often, wearing my list
owner hat, but today is one of these days. Please read and respect the
following message:

In the era of covid19, there are many people struggling. Many are
looking for objective information. Many are looking for reassurance.
And, alas, a few are making it a point to use their energies to spread
conspiracy theories, false information, and lies about the virus. This
is unfortunate, dangerous, and will not be tolerated in this forum, or
any subgroup. Any comments that covid19 is not real, it is just
government taking over, the many deaths are fake, etc, will not be
tolerated. This warning results from messages sent to the chat
subgroup. I completely understand that social distancing is difficult,
and to that end, you may join the chat subgroup, reach out to friends,
engage in online events, enjoy time in nature while maintaining
physical distance from others, etc. You can also reach out to
nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda%2Bowner@nvda.groups.io> if we
can do anything to help you, or guide you to resources which may be of
assistance to you.

To demonstrate the seriousness of this issue, any member wishing to
spread misinformation, conspiracies, or lies about covid19 will
receive an immediate, no-questions-asked ban. It will be a ban that I
will most likely forget to lift. There is no recourse for appeal, no
discussion necessary.

Furthermore, if you read a message which seems to hint at a conspiracy
on this, or a subgroup of this list, please send the offending message
on to nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda%2Bowner@nvda.groups.io>
and you can be sure that it will be handled promptly.

Please, let this message be your only warning. My hope is that no
further event like this will take place, but if it does, there will be
no additional warning or reminder. I will ask Brian to add something
to the list rules which are sent out monthly as a reminder to those
joining this list.

If you have any questions, please send them to
nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda%2Bowner@nvda.groups.io>. If you
disagree with the policy, don't bother sending an email though, as I
will not be changing my mind.

--
Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
up to you. Thanks.

Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for
Windows, visit nvaccess.org <http://www.nvda-project.org>

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (970)
(393-4481) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.

Thank you, and have a great day!


Re: NVDA DAISY structure error

Curtis Delzer
 

not without using a program which strictly edits the indexes which are miss-handled by the book provider.

Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

curtis@calweb.com

On 4/14/2020 12:10 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:
I've been trying to fix this all day and I can't figure out how to fix the book structure errors in the audio DAISY version.
Listening to the book on my stream, After chapter 1, section 1, it jumps to section 10, rather than going to chapter 2.
For example. After section 1.3. It jumps to chapter 10, and continues on until 16.6, where it goes back to section 2.1 after that chapter.
I've tried renaming all the files in the daisy book, but it still plays in that strange order. Is there something else I can try to fix this behavior?


Re: Reading PDFs in Edge Seemingly Broken

 

Sascha,

          When it comes to matters of preference, "better" is relative.   If Edge works, and is most pleasant, for you then, by all means, that's what you should use.

           I do not know whether the following works in the stable version of Edge, but in the Dev versions hitting ALT+SHIFT+I will open a feedback mechanism that is dedicated strictly to Edge.  If something has broken that previously worked, I strongly suggest you log feedback.  If that method does not work within Edge, then do so via the Windows 10 Feedback Hub app.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


locked Re: Owner's Note: Emergency Message, Please Read #adminnotice

Mallard
 

Hello Nimer,


I wish to sincerely thank you from the depth of my soul for this message.


I'm in Italy, as you probably know, and our country has been and is still struggling with new cases and hundreds of deaths every day.


I've lost some friends, and friends of mine have lost parents, children or otherrelatives.


Hearing and reading stuff ike that is really too much for me.


Unfortunately those hteories are spreading fast, here as well.


this isthe dark side of technology. Please, don't let's lend ourselves to it.


Thanks again Nimer, with tears in my eyes.


Blessings to you and all.

Stay safe, wherever you are, and may you be spared the suffering that so many people and families I know have had to go through, and still are going through.


Ciao,

Ollie

On 14/04/2020 21:09, Nimer Jaber wrote:
Hello everyone,

I don't make it a point to come on this list often, wearing my list owner hat, but today is one of these days. Please read and respect the following message:

In the era of covid19, there are many people struggling. Many are looking for objective information. Many are looking for reassurance. And, alas, a few are making it a point to use their energies to spread conspiracy theories, false information, and lies about the virus. This is unfortunate, dangerous, and will not be tolerated in this forum, or any subgroup. Any comments that covid19 is not real, it is just government taking over, the many deaths are fake, etc, will not be tolerated. This warning results from messages sent to the chat subgroup. I completely understand that social distancing is difficult, and to that end, you may join the chat subgroup, reach out to friends, engage in online events, enjoy time in nature while maintaining physical distance from others, etc. You can also reach out to nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda%2Bowner@nvda.groups.io> if we can do anything to help you, or guide you to resources which may be of assistance to you.

To demonstrate the seriousness of this issue, any member wishing to spread misinformation, conspiracies, or lies about covid19 will receive an immediate, no-questions-asked ban. It will be a ban that I will most likely forget to lift. There is no recourse for appeal, no discussion necessary.

Furthermore, if you read a message which seems to hint at a conspiracy on this, or a subgroup of this list, please send the offending message on to nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda%2Bowner@nvda.groups.io> and you can be sure that it will be handled promptly.

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Re: Reading PDFs in Edge Seemingly Broken

Sascha Cowley
 

Hi Brian,

Personally, the only reason I use Edge is to read PDFs. I find that, almost all of the time, the way it interprets them is much better than Acrobat. If you can suggest a better alternative, I'd love to hear about it!


Regards,
Sascha

On 15/04/2020 02:06, Brian Vogel wrote:
For anyone who is of the same opinion I am, and cannot stand dealing with PDFs within browser windows anyway, it is possible to make any browser open them using the system PDF reader you have installed on your system and set as the default.  I never like dealing with PDFs except in a dedicated PDF Editor or reader.  Instructions follow.

Making Chromium-based Browsers (Chrome, Brave, New Edge, etc.) Open PDFs in Your System Reader

  1. Ensure that the PDF Reader of your choosing  is installed on your computer.  Also make sure that it is what is set to handle files with the PDF extension (which it generally is already).
  2. Activate the Menu button (ALT+F), then choose Settings.
  3. What you do now will vary slightly based on the browser.
    1. For Chrome and Brave, in the Privacy and Security pane, select Site Settings.  For Brave you will have to activate the Additional Settings button before the Privacy and Security pane item becomes visible and accessible.
    2. For Edge, simply choose the Site Permissions pane.
  4. Scroll down and select “PDF documents“.
  5. You are now at the toggle that you need to switch to ON.  How it’s labeled varies slightly among the browsers:
    1. Chrome: Download PDF files instead of opening them automatically in Chrome
    2. Edge: Always open PDF files externally
    3. Brave: Download PDF files instead of automatically opening them in Brave

At this point close out of settings to save the changes you’ve made

Now when a PDF file is triggered, it will download via your browser just like any other file.  If you have things set up to go to your Downloads folder, that’s where it will be placed.  If you have the browser set up to ask you where to save it, you’ll get the save dialog.  Once the download is finished, the typical status comes up on the bottom of the screen indicating it’s complete, and giving you options of what to do if you activate the button for that file.  If you select the downloaded PDF file at the bottom of the window, then choose Open, then the file will open in a separate Reader window.  If you also activate the “Always open files of this type” option from then on any PDF file will not only automatically download, but automatically open in the PDF Reader you have set as the default one on your system.

 

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locked Re: Owner's Note: Emergency Message, Please Read #adminnotice

 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 04:50 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The content that triggered the need for this notice, and formal rules revision, already forbid such content.
Oops, that should have been:  The content that triggered the need for this notice and the formal rules revision is already prohibited under the Groups.io Terms of Service.

I thought I'd edited that line before hitting send.  Sorry.
 
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locked Re: Owner's Note: Emergency Message, Please Read #adminnotice

 

Per the request of the Group Owner, the NVDA Group Rules have been formally revised to include the following:

Although the following rule has almost never needed to be applied, the Group Owner and Moderators reserve the right to block, edit, or remove any message at any time at our sole discretion.  Messages that have content that violates the Groups.io Terms of Service are not permitted, are subject to immediate removal, and the member posting same to be placed on moderated status or banned, at the sole discretion of the Group Owner or Moderator. 

Please activate the link provided to see the list of groups/content that is prohibited under the Groups.io Terms of Service.  The content that triggered the need for this notice, and formal rules revision, already forbid such content.  That is now made explicit at the group rules level.
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Re: NVDA DAISY structure error

 

This is about the NV Access basic training with NVDA Daisy audiobook.

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