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Keystrokes from other screenreaders NVDA does not have

Quentin Christensen
 

The discussion in the Drag and drop thread around the system tray has got me thinking:
- The NV Access philosophy is that if Windows includes functionality which is accessible, why re-invent the wheel
- Users who come from other screen readers get confused when they are encouraged to use the Windows keystrokes for functionality they are used to being provided by the screen reader.

I was going to mention the "Switching from Jaws to NVDA" document in that thread, but in reading it just now, I noted that it does NOT, in fact, include how to perform tasks such as access the system tray.

So, can anyone please give me examples of functionality that other screen readers provide (such as INSERT+F11 to access the system tray), that NVDA expects people to use the Windows keystroke (WINDOWS+B in the case of the system tray) for?

I'd like to collate them and update the relevant documents with them, and potentially even make a document all its own if needed.

Kind regards

Quentin.
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Re: Drag and Drop with NVDA

Gene
 

also, the system tray dialog was introduced because the system tray wasn't accessible at the time.  It is not a case of screen-readers having duplicative commands or provisions.  I don't know about every screen-reader of course, but JAWS, Window-eyes and System Access all have a system tray dialog.  I can't comment on others. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Drag and Drop with NVDA

Are you talking about the quick key reference?  I am talking about the full user guide and it is that which should contain the commands for working with the system tray and an explanation of how to work with it, such as that you can use first letter navigation as well as move with the arrow keys. 
 
As I said, you can't have it both ways, not include a system tray dialog, which has been standard in screen-readers since about 2000 or a little before, while not giving the commands and explaining how to use the Windows system tray.  Most people were routinely taught to use the dialog and not the actual system tray for about two decades. 
 
While I'm glad to know the instructional material available for purchase contains this information, the User Guide should contain such information also.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Drag and Drop with NVDA

Hi everyone,

The NVDA User Guide is designed to be a quick reference to cover the keystrokes for NVDA, not the keystrokes for Windows.  The "Basic Training for NVDA" does teach how to get to the notification area / system tray and interact with icons.  I would highly recommend that training for anyone not familiar with how to access features of Windows / NVDA: https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-ebook/

The SysTrayList add-on is available for anyone who wants to interact with the system tray in that way: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/systrayList.en.html The reason we haven't included it in NVDA itself, is simply that it replicates functionality already provided by Windows itself.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 11:16 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
There is an add-on for using the system tray in the way other screen-readers provide.  That is, a dialog.  Long before the system tray became accessible, screen-readers provided the dialog because the system tray itself wasn't accessible.  Most blind people who started using other screen-readers know that method and don't know the windows method.  NVDA both refuses to incorporate the system tray dialog, nor does whomever makes such decisions incorporate instructions for using the system tray without the dialog.
And at times, you can't work with a system tray icon properly without working with the system tray dialog so I consider this a necessary feature, not just a question of there being a Windows and a screen-reader way to do things.  Others have reported the same thing, that they have found instances where the system tray dialog is necessary to work with an icon.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Drag and Drop with NVDA

Gene,
Too bad the manual doesn't say more.  It should, just as it should describe the commands for using the system tray, since NVDA doesn't include a system tray dialog.
Oh wait. Is there any other way of using the systray besides pressing Win+B?
I know it's not on topic for what I asked but now you got me curious.

Now back to my question:
there are various things you need to know, for example, that when dragging and dropping files, both folders have to be and remain opened simultaneously.
But this is something that everyone should know, I guess. After all you are... well dragging from an open folder and dropping on another open folder :)

Anyway, I'm still a bit confused about this procedure. I hope I'll understand and learn it sooner or later.

Oh and as always, thanks for your help. I appreciate how you are always willing to help with questions on lists we are on, including this one.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

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Re: Drag and Drop with NVDA

Gene
 

Are you talking about the quick key reference?  I am talking about the full user guide and it is that which should contain the commands for working with the system tray and an explanation of how to work with it, such as that you can use first letter navigation as well as move with the arrow keys. 
 
As I said, you can't have it both ways, not include a system tray dialog, which has been standard in screen-readers since about 2000 or a little before, while not giving the commands and explaining how to use the Windows system tray.  Most people were routinely taught to use the dialog and not the actual system tray for about two decades. 
 
While I'm glad to know the instructional material available for purchase contains this information, the User Guide should contain such information also.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Drag and Drop with NVDA

Hi everyone,

The NVDA User Guide is designed to be a quick reference to cover the keystrokes for NVDA, not the keystrokes for Windows.  The "Basic Training for NVDA" does teach how to get to the notification area / system tray and interact with icons.  I would highly recommend that training for anyone not familiar with how to access features of Windows / NVDA: https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-ebook/

The SysTrayList add-on is available for anyone who wants to interact with the system tray in that way: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/systrayList.en.html The reason we haven't included it in NVDA itself, is simply that it replicates functionality already provided by Windows itself.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 11:16 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
There is an add-on for using the system tray in the way other screen-readers provide.  That is, a dialog.  Long before the system tray became accessible, screen-readers provided the dialog because the system tray itself wasn't accessible.  Most blind people who started using other screen-readers know that method and don't know the windows method.  NVDA both refuses to incorporate the system tray dialog, nor does whomever makes such decisions incorporate instructions for using the system tray without the dialog.
And at times, you can't work with a system tray icon properly without working with the system tray dialog so I consider this a necessary feature, not just a question of there being a Windows and a screen-reader way to do things.  Others have reported the same thing, that they have found instances where the system tray dialog is necessary to work with an icon.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Drag and Drop with NVDA

Gene,
Too bad the manual doesn't say more.  It should, just as it should describe the commands for using the system tray, since NVDA doesn't include a system tray dialog.
Oh wait. Is there any other way of using the systray besides pressing Win+B?
I know it's not on topic for what I asked but now you got me curious.

Now back to my question:
there are various things you need to know, for example, that when dragging and dropping files, both folders have to be and remain opened simultaneously.
But this is something that everyone should know, I guess. After all you are... well dragging from an open folder and dropping on another open folder :)

Anyway, I'm still a bit confused about this procedure. I hope I'll understand and learn it sooner or later.

Oh and as always, thanks for your help. I appreciate how you are always willing to help with questions on lists we are on, including this one.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

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NVDA 2019.2beta1 now available!


Re: Drag and Drop with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

The NVDA User Guide is designed to be a quick reference to cover the keystrokes for NVDA, not the keystrokes for Windows.  The "Basic Training for NVDA" does teach how to get to the notification area / system tray and interact with icons.  I would highly recommend that training for anyone not familiar with how to access features of Windows / NVDA: https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-ebook/

The SysTrayList add-on is available for anyone who wants to interact with the system tray in that way: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/systrayList.en.html The reason we haven't included it in NVDA itself, is simply that it replicates functionality already provided by Windows itself.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 11:16 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
There is an add-on for using the system tray in the way other screen-readers provide.  That is, a dialog.  Long before the system tray became accessible, screen-readers provided the dialog because the system tray itself wasn't accessible.  Most blind people who started using other screen-readers know that method and don't know the windows method.  NVDA both refuses to incorporate the system tray dialog, nor does whomever makes such decisions incorporate instructions for using the system tray without the dialog.
And at times, you can't work with a system tray icon properly without working with the system tray dialog so I consider this a necessary feature, not just a question of there being a Windows and a screen-reader way to do things.  Others have reported the same thing, that they have found instances where the system tray dialog is necessary to work with an icon.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Drag and Drop with NVDA

Gene,
Too bad the manual doesn't say more.  It should, just as it should describe the commands for using the system tray, since NVDA doesn't include a system tray dialog.
Oh wait. Is there any other way of using the systray besides pressing Win+B?
I know it's not on topic for what I asked but now you got me curious.

Now back to my question:
there are various things you need to know, for example, that when dragging and dropping files, both folders have to be and remain opened simultaneously.
But this is something that everyone should know, I guess. After all you are... well dragging from an open folder and dropping on another open folder :)

Anyway, I'm still a bit confused about this procedure. I hope I'll understand and learn it sooner or later.

Oh and as always, thanks for your help. I appreciate how you are always willing to help with questions on lists we are on, including this one.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

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Using NVDA to view certain parts of the windows 10 weather app.

Danny Keys <djkeys@...>
 

Hello folks,

I live in the us. We often times have firewarnings. However, I have not found how to view the notices.

Can anyone please explain how to review portions of the weather app screen, especially where the notices are located.

Thanks a bunch for any assistance.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: NV Access' New video featured in this week's In-Process

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Claire,

Thank you for your thoughts and feedback!

Re having people talking about NVDA - The intention of the video was more to demonstrate NVDA itself, and what it can do.  Our video "NVDA: The free software empowering blind people" I felt already did present that human aspect of the benefits of NVDA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks7AwV_uxO0&t=8s

Re the choice of voices, we wanted to include eloquence because it is a popular synthesizer.  I did try vocalizer, but to be honest, I didn't like it as much as the OneCore voices - that is probably a personal choice and perhaps because I am used to using OneCore.  And yes, relying mostly on free or inbuilt options for most of the video also fits in with the program itself.

My intention is to make more videos here and there, so there will be other chances to mix things up a bit as well.

Once again, thanks so much for the feedback!

Quentin.

On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 6:39 AM Claire Potter <claire.potter99@...> wrote:
Hi Antony, I get that, but the Eloquence voice was used, and that's not free, you have to pay for it after your trial?

Claire Potter
Potter's place, where technology comes to life!
www.pottersplace.me.uk
NVDA Certified Expert 2019. 


On 22 Jun 2019, at 21:35, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:

My guess would be that the video features only free components, and the
producers didn't want to lead people to expect something which turns out you
need to pay for after you've installed the free software and the free synths.


Antony.

On Saturday 22 June 2019 at 22:29:06, Claire Potter wrote:

Hi Quentin, I think the new vidoo is really informative, despite missing
showing real people talking about how it helps them. Just out of interest,
can I ask what drove the choice of voices used for the video? I was very
surprised when I noticed that the Vocalizer synth was completely missing,
as that is a really popular synth alongside Eloqueence. Claire Potter

On 19 Jun 2019, at 10:51, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi everyone,

We have a new video: "What is NVDA?".  News on the video and a link to
watch it, the call for topics for the upcoming NVDACon, and a detailed
walkthrough of creating an issue on the NV Access GitHub page, are all
in this week's In-Process:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-19th-june/

Regards

Quentin.

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Re: NVDA on IoT Core

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi,

yes, you can use Onecore voice in Nvda without any doubt.

Jarek

Dne 24.06.2019 v 16:34 Ali Savas napsal(a):

Hi,


is it possible to run NVDA on IoT Core? If yes, will it only run in
x86/x64 architektures or on ARM devices too?


I thank you in advance!


With best regards

Ali


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Owner's Note: Re: The movie maker tool in windows 10 brief overview. #adminnotice

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello everyone,

this thread is now locked. This does not relate to NVDA, and therefore would be better discussed on the Windows 10 list, or in the chat subgroup.

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Owner's Note: Re: windows mail shortcut keys #adminnotice

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

this thread is now locked. This thread is off-topic for this group. It does not relate to NVDA in any way... the word NVDA is not found in the message at all, and keyboard shortcuts of programs cannot relate to NVDA. This topic is best discussed on the Windows 10 mailing list, or on the chat list.

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Owner's note: Re: Need key commands for gmail #adminnotice

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello group,

I am about to lock this topic. While much of this thread has been on topic to NVDA in some form or another, some posts are beginning to drift. The topic of hearing aids and what programs users use does not relate to the topic of NVDA. This would be appropriate for the chat list however.

Please ask yourself before posting, does this message relate to the NVDA screen reader in some way? Have I taken some time to try to research a solution before posting? Does my post add value to a thread other than saying "me too" or something similar which adds nothing of substance to a thread? Is my message relevant to the topic being discussed?

thank you everyone for your help with keeping this list on topic.


locked Re: Need key commands for gmail

Fred <kc9nnfch@...>
 

Hi Chris,

Yes it is set up so that the speech comes up either with nvda or my other account charter.net with window eyes.

 

He has it so that he has some of the programs I use are on the desktop.

That works okay for me.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 4:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need key commands for gmail

 

Hi Fred

I understand as I am totally blind and my wife does not have a clue about using the keyboard because she can do what she wants using the mouse.  As a blind computer user, I occasionally require sighted help and this occurs usually when for one reason or another, my computer locks up and doesn’t give me any speech output. or I cannot get some information because it is inaccessible to a screen reader.

 

As for NVDA help, there are good quality tutorials available to purchase if that would work for you or if you have a reasonable level of understanding Windows, you could have a look at the NVDA user guide and command reference guides, both of which are part of the NVDA product.

 

I don’t know what your grandson has set up for you but the first thing to do is to get your system to start up with NVDA running, so you can get yur computer up and running without sighted assistance.  Are you able to do this?  If not, let us know and the process for setting up NVDA can be described for you.

 

Cheers

Chris    

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Fred
Sent: 23 June 2019 20:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need key commands for gmail

 

Hi Chris,

 

I am using gmail because my grandson has been helping me And he says that would work the best for me. He doesn’t understand me always using the keyboard and he is not blind so he doesn’t have to.

 

I will have to find  help with         NVDA.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 11:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need key commands for gmail

 

Hi

I don’t understand why you would concentrate on gmail.  You are using the Windows 10 Mail app linked to a gmail account, so you do not mecessarily need to learn gmail commands, as you can already send and receive email.  If you are new to NVDA  and Windows 10, I would concentrate on learning my way around the Windows environment and understanding how NVDA works before looking at the totally different browser based interface for Gmail   

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Fred
Sent: 23 June 2019 14:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need key commands for gmail

 

Hi,  I need help on both. What I need the most is gmail as I am new to that also.

For now I will contrate on gmail.

 

Thanks.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 8:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need key commands for gmail

 

Your subject line specifically mentions GMail.  Is that what you want help with or with Windows 10 and using NVDA with Windows 10 or all of those subjects.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Fred

Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 7:28 AM

Subject: [nvda] Need key commands for gmail

 

Hi I am new to Windows ten and nvda.

Any help is appreciated.

I need to know where to start.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 


locked Re: Need key commands for gmail

Fred <kc9nnfch@...>
 

Hi Marv,

 

I have had hearing aids for forty years.

What are some of the programs you use?

 

Kc9nn@...

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: marvin kotler
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 7:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need key commands for gmail

 

Marv here; I am totally blind also.  Been using windows since around 2000 Also hard of hearing.                 

                                                               

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 6:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need key commands for gmail

 

I to am totally blind. And have ben using windows since 2001. It will take practice and just memory and knwogn where you are and paying attention to what is and is not said. For example, a link normally means you can hit enter or space on it and it will open either in the same page or to anew part of the site, or a brand new site altogether. It took me a few months to get used to windows almost 20 yers ago, so if you practice you will get it to. I think most of us on the list are visually impaired and or blind as well.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
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On 23 Jun 2019, at 12:33, Fred wrote:

Hi Sarah,

 

I failed to mentioned that I am totally blind and I am not good with Windows.

I will have to find a way that works for me.

 

Thanks for your message.  I have been told that gmail isn’t the best way to go.

I have a problem with understanding the letters, the letters ending in the E sound, I am hard of hearing which doesn’t help.

I know I am making excuses and I am sorry for that.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 10:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need key commands for gmail

 

For gmail, go into www.gmail.com then go browse into mode with nvda space then hit the question mark. Now there will be a table that you can arrow through and memorize the key strokes slowly. I'm working on that and it will take me probably a few more months to grasp that as I'm having some brain issues shall we say, but I can do it, and so can you.

Good luck.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 23 Jun 2019, at 6:31, Gene wrote:

Your subject line specifically mentions GMail.  Is that what you want help with or with Windows 10 and using NVDA with Windows 10 or all of those subjects.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Fred

Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 7:28 AM

Subject: [nvda] Need key commands for gmail

 

Hi I am new to Windows ten and nvda.

Any help is appreciated.

I need to know where to start.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 


locked Re: Need key commands for gmail

Fred <kc9nnfch@...>
 

Hi Sarah,

 

I had to laugh when you said to listen and remember, the older I get the harder it is to remember will be eighty inn January.

I appreciate all the information I get and if I am doing something wrong I am sorry.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 5:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need key commands for gmail

 

I to am totally blind. And have ben using windows since 2001. It will take practice and just memory and knwogn where you are and paying attention to what is and is not said. For example, a link normally means you can hit enter or space on it and it will open either in the same page or to anew part of the site, or a brand new site altogether. It took me a few months to get used to windows almost 20 yers ago, so if you practice you will get it to. I think most of us on the list are visually impaired and or blind as well.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 23 Jun 2019, at 12:33, Fred wrote:

Hi Sarah,

 

I failed to mentioned that I am totally blind and I am not good with Windows.

I will have to find a way that works for me.

 

Thanks for your message.  I have been told that gmail isn’t the best way to go.

I have a problem with understanding the letters, the letters ending in the E sound, I am hard of hearing which doesn’t help.

I know I am making excuses and I am sorry for that.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 10:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need key commands for gmail

 

For gmail, go into www.gmail.com then go browse into mode with nvda space then hit the question mark. Now there will be a table that you can arrow through and memorize the key strokes slowly. I'm working on that and it will take me probably a few more months to grasp that as I'm having some brain issues shall we say, but I can do it, and so can you.

Good luck.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 23 Jun 2019, at 6:31, Gene wrote:

Your subject line specifically mentions GMail.  Is that what you want help with or with Windows 10 and using NVDA with Windows 10 or all of those subjects.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Fred

Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 7:28 AM

Subject: [nvda] Need key commands for gmail

 

Hi I am new to Windows ten and nvda.

Any help is appreciated.

I need to know where to start.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 


locked Re: windows mail shortcut keys

Luke Davis
 

marvin kotler wrote:

Good morning listers; sorry to change topics, but where can I find a list of windows mail shortcut keys?
On Google, of course. Or Duck Duck Go, or whatever other search engine you like.

The very first two results here, for example, might be a good place to start:

http://www.google.com/search?ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&source=hp&q=%22windows+10+mail%22+%22keyboard+shortcuts%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1

Luke


locked Re: Need key commands for gmail

Fred <kc9nnfch@...>
 

Hi Chris,

 

I used XP and windows seven and was not proficient with it.

I never got used to search for anything just  probably didn’t use it the right way.

I did enjoy sending receiving email from my friends.

Then I was using the simple email internet outlook express, I tried Outlook but Window Eyes didn’t read anything. I don’t feel I was a good windows user.

I am on the computer every day with my amateur radio program Netlogger and that works perfectly.

 I would like to brows the internet but only if I knew what I was doing.

 

I would play cd’s but never did brows the internet.

 

Kc9fch@...

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 6:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need key commands for gmail

 

Hi Fred

It would probably help list members if you gave an idea of what sort of things you use, or want to use the computer for and whether you use it regularly or are just an occasional user.  You say you have used Window Eyes in the past, which means you have used Windows before, so what versions of Windows have you used and how well do you feel you got on with them?

 

If we can get a handle on your needs, it would make it easier to make recommendations to help you get the right tools for the things you want to do.

 

Cheers

Chris

  

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Fred
Sent: 23 June 2019 20:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need key commands for gmail

 

Hi Chris,

 

Thanks for your information.

I don’t know what my options are.

I think Outlook is similar with the old program I used Outlook express.

If that is correct I would like that.

 

 

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From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 11:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need key commands for gmail

 

Hi

I don’t understand why you would concentrate on gmail.  You are using the Windows 10 Mail app linked to a gmail account, so you do not mecessarily need to learn gmail commands, as you can already send and receive email.  If you are new to NVDA  and Windows 10, I would concentrate on learning my way around the Windows environment and understanding how NVDA works before looking at the totally different browser based interface for Gmail   

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Fred
Sent: 23 June 2019 14:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need key commands for gmail

 

Hi,  I need help on both. What I need the most is gmail as I am new to that also.

For now I will contrate on gmail.

 

Thanks.

 

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From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 8:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need key commands for gmail

 

Your subject line specifically mentions GMail.  Is that what you want help with or with Windows 10 and using NVDA with Windows 10 or all of those subjects.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Fred

Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 7:28 AM

Subject: [nvda] Need key commands for gmail

 

Hi I am new to Windows ten and nvda.

Any help is appreciated.

I need to know where to start.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 


locked Re: Need key commands for gmail

Sarah k Alawami
 

in my humble opinion I shut that stuff off, but I've ben using computers for a while off and on since 1989 or so, However I do make sure nvda is started up, I jut nix the keyboard short cut. That's just me though. It does start up and start up and at the log on prompt, do that if you need to enter a password. I know I'm weird for nixing the shortcuts but yeah that's ust me and one moe thign for me to remember.

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On 24 Jun 2019, at 6:58, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 05:23 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
the first thing to do is to get your system to start up with NVDA running, so you can get yur computer up and running without sighted assistance.
Or, if it's not, use CTRL+ALT+N to fire it up.   I believe that keyboard shortcut to bring up NVDA is set up by default on installation, but it's been so long since I did a clean install of NVDA I cannot be certain of that.   I have a friend who, by intent, doesn't have NVDA fire up when her machine starts, but starts it via keyboard once things are up and she actually wants the screen reader to be active.
 
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Re: NVDA on IoT Core

 

Hi,
Answer: no, as can be seen from the following Microsoft Docs page:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/iot-core/learn-about-hardware/iotco
reportingtool
Even if replacement API's exist, you'll need to use x86 IoT device. Also,
Windows 10 IoT Core is meant to be used in embedded environments such as
inside gadgets, not as a general-purpose operating system.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 8:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA on IoT Core

I don't know that anybody has ported it to ARM, or if the various
dependencies have been ported to ARM. You might stand a chance with X86
though.
If you're going to try, some of the first few results here might be of
interest:

http://www.google.com/search?ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&source=hp&q=%22IoT+Core%22+
%22windows+10%22+%22python%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1

The dev list might be a more helpful venue for this.

Let us know how it goes!

Luke

On Mon, 24 Jun 2019, Ali Savas wrote:

is it possible to run NVDA on IoT Core? If yes, will it only run in
x86/x64 architektures or on ARM devices too?


Re: NVDA on IoT Core

Luke Davis
 

I don't know that anybody has ported it to ARM, or if the various dependencies have been ported to ARM. You might stand a chance with X86 though.
If you're going to try, some of the first few results here might be of interest:

http://www.google.com/search?ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&source=hp&q=%22IoT+Core%22+%22windows+10%22+%22python%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1

The dev list might be a more helpful venue for this.

Let us know how it goes!

Luke

On Mon, 24 Jun 2019, Ali Savas wrote:

is it possible to run NVDA on IoT Core? If yes, will it only run in
x86/x64 architektures or on ARM devices too?


locked windows mail shortcut keys

marvin kotler
 

Good morning listers; sorry to change topics, but where can I find a list of windows mail shortcut keys?

Marv

 

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NVDA on IoT Core

Ali Savas
 

Hi,


is it possible to run NVDA on IoT Core? If yes, will it only run in
x86/x64 architektures or on ARM devices too?


I thank you in advance!


With best regards

Ali