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locked Re: using Ublock

Steve Gomes <finnygomes@...>
 

I just installed uBlock and can’t fugure out how to turn it off for a site. They say there is a big power button but I can’t find it. Sometimes I hear “alert and not now button” then that message is gone. thanks


Re: NV Access' New video featured in this week's In-Process

Stephen Thacker
 

Hi Quinten, did you consider Accapella Voices which the Braillenote Touch Plus uses?

 

Cheers, Steve

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


Re: Lightweight and Snappy Web Browsers

Arlene
 

 

 

Hi there:  I don’t think it supports xp. Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: zahra
Sent: June 26, 2019 7:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lightweight and Snappy Web Browsers

 

hi.

brave?

i did not hear about its features!

is it multiprocess or single process?

does it support windows xp?

 

On 6/26/19, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:

> Try Brave.  I believe it is modeled after Chrome, perhaps uses the Chrome

> engine.  It has a look and feel similar to Chrome, and in my limited use, it

> seems very snappy, like Chrome did when I first started using it.

> Andy

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@...>

> To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 4:59 PM

> Subject: [nvda] Lightweight and Snappy Web Browsers

>> Dear all,

>> 

>> Currently, my primary web browser is Firefox, and I resort to Chrome

>> for large or heavy pages which Chrome renders with relative speed and

>> ease. However, due to certain reasons (mostly performance and resource

>> consumption related), I am considering to abandon Google Chrome. I was

>> wonderingn if there are any other known accessible web browsers that

>> have characteristics of being quick and snappy and lightweight.

>> 

>> I would greatly appreciate your inputs and suggestions.

>> 

>> Thanks.

>> 

>> --

>> Best Regards

>> Bhavya Shah

>> 

>> Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

>> E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@...

>> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

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were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 


Re: Elements not being reported with NVDA

Jonathan COHN
 

Actually, this is not an NVDA bug, but a web page bug.

The ARIA-LABEL attribute completely replaces the name of the current element with that label.

I would recommend inserting a graphic to indicate the page will open in a new tab, and then add alternative text for the screen reader. The author could also, use aria-labeledby and use a reference to a bit of hidden text plus the current element but then they are providing information that apparently is not being presented to the sighted user.

With JAWS pressing insert-tab will read various information as it is pressed, and one could eventually get to the true text string. I an not sure if that works in NVDA. JAWS also has the ability to have per a web page settings that override badly written  web pages.

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 5:40 AM
To: NVDA List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Elements not being reported with NVDA
Importance: Low

 

Hi,
STR:

  1. Take a look at this article.
  2. Note that in every link, NVDA just reports "(opens in a new tab").
  3. However, looking at the source code, we can seethe real link with its description.

What's preventing NVDA from reporting the description apparently is an HTML tag. I searched a bit and could understand it but not enough for explain it here, so I'll just give an example.

Look at this part of the article:
We can show you how to (opens in a new tab).

Now its source code:

We can show you how to <a href="https://helpdeskgeek.com/how-to/run-chkdsk-utility-xp/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" aria-label=" (opens in a new tab)">fix file system errors in Windows with CHKDSK</a>. </p>

In light of this, is there any workaround so that NVDA reports the description inside a <a href> tag apart from resorting to the source code of the page?

Finally, maybe this is something that can be fixed in an NVDA update altogether?

Sorry for the long message, but I needed to explain the entire story  before asking my question.

Cheers,
Marcio

AKA Starboy

 

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

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Re: nvda gives me silent treatment

Gene
 

Did the problem start after something like a Windows or NVDA update?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda gives me silent treatment
 

                I am using eloquence; nvda stays silent no matter how long I wait; using latest version of nvda and windows 1903.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: nvda gives me silent treatment

Chris
 

Install the win10 app essentials see that helps any

 

 

From: marvin kotler
Sent: 26 June 2019 16:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda gives me silent treatment

 

Good morning listers.  Having trouble when writing a message in windows mail.  Nvda does not speak to me when I type; Tried notepad also and he speaks fine.  Have characters, words and speech on.  If anyone has suggestions of anything else I might try, thanks in advance.

Marv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: nvda gives me silent treatment

marvin kotler
 

                I am using eloquence; nvda stays silent no matter how long I wait; using latest version of nvda and windows 1903.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: nvda gives me silent treatment

Gene
 

What synthesizer are you using and how long have you waited after typing a letter to see if it is announced?  It may be that characters are being announced but after a rather long lag.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 10:37 AM
Subject: [nvda] nvda gives me silent treatment
 

Good morning listers.  Having trouble when writing a message in windows mail.  Nvda does not speak to me when I type; Tried notepad also and he speaks fine.  Have characters, words and speech on.  If anyone has suggestions of anything else I might try, thanks in advance.

Marv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


nvda gives me silent treatment

marvin kotler
 

Good morning listers.  Having trouble when writing a message in windows mail.  Nvda does not speak to me when I type; Tried notepad also and he speaks fine.  Have characters, words and speech on.  If anyone has suggestions of anything else I might try, thanks in advance.

Marv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Lightweight and Snappy Web Browsers

 

Ladies and Gentlemen,

            This topic is taking a turn for the "not related to NVDA" side.  But, I'm not locking it yet, and I will answer the last question with a link to the Brave system requirements page, since it is no small task to find it:  https://support.brave.com/hc/en-us/articles/360021357112-What-are-the-system-requirements-to-install-Brave-

            A brief, and pertinent quote from that page:

Windows

  • Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8.1, Windows 10 or later
  • An Intel Pentium 4 processor or later that's SSE2 capable

            Any further in-depth discussion of Brave should be taken to the Chat Subgroup.  If there are recommendations for an accessible, lightweight web browser other than Brave then feel free to offer those suggestions.

--

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Puritanism:  The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

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Re: Lightweight and Snappy Web Browsers

 

hi.
brave?
i did not hear about its features!
is it multiprocess or single process?
does it support windows xp?

On 6/26/19, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:
Try Brave. I believe it is modeled after Chrome, perhaps uses the Chrome
engine. It has a look and feel similar to Chrome, and in my limited use, it

seems very snappy, like Chrome did when I first started using it.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@...>
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 4:59 PM
Subject: [nvda] Lightweight and Snappy Web Browsers


Dear all,

Currently, my primary web browser is Firefox, and I resort to Chrome
for large or heavy pages which Chrome renders with relative speed and
ease. However, due to certain reasons (mostly performance and resource
consumption related), I am considering to abandon Google Chrome. I was
wonderingn if there are any other known accessible web browsers that
have characteristics of being quick and snappy and lightweight.

I would greatly appreciate your inputs and suggestions.

Thanks.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@...
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/





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By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Lightweight and Snappy Web Browsers

Chris Mullins
 

I concur. I've been using Brave for about 8 months now and I find it to work well. It uses Chrome and also has a capability to use Tor. The built-in ad blocking is also helpful.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: 26 June 2019 01:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lightweight and Snappy Web Browsers

Try Brave. I believe it is modeled after Chrome, perhaps uses the Chrome
engine. It has a look and feel similar to Chrome, and in my limited use, it
seems very snappy, like Chrome did when I first started using it.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@...>
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 4:59 PM
Subject: [nvda] Lightweight and Snappy Web Browsers


Dear all,

Currently, my primary web browser is Firefox, and I resort to Chrome
for large or heavy pages which Chrome renders with relative speed and
ease. However, due to certain reasons (mostly performance and resource
consumption related), I am considering to abandon Google Chrome. I was
wonderingn if there are any other known accessible web browsers that
have characteristics of being quick and snappy and lightweight.

I would greatly appreciate your inputs and suggestions.

Thanks.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@...
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/



WoeId finder for Weather_Plus

Adriano Barbieri
 

Hi to every one,


All WoeId search services and one of these is used by Weather_Plus, Right now they don't work anymore and it's not known until when and why.
We hope for a resolution soon.
Looking for an alternative I found this woeid search engine where it is possible to find the recurrences of a city and the related WoeId.

http://www.findmecity.com/


Regards
Adriano



Re: Keystrokes from other screenreaders NVDA does not have

Richard Wells
 

Sure there is a key stroke to do this. Just press CONTROL+SPACE-BAR after arrowing to any desktop icon. Now, nothing is selected, press SHIFT+F10 or APPLICATIONS-KEY and press w to bring up the new sub-menu. From there, just press RIGHT-ARROW to open it and arrow to folder, shortcut, etc, and press ENTER. Follow the prompts to create your shortcut.

On 6/25/2019 5:21 AM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
The keystroke I was looking for the other day was the one to place a URL on the desktop. Right now you have to find an empty space on the desktop using the mouse before you can drop a shortcut to a URL. I don’t think there’s even a windows command for this.


Sile

On Jun 24, 2019, at 10:36 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

That is an example of a proprietary interface that makes people dependent on JAWS and doesn't work as well as real ribbons. 
 
I don't know if something that extensive would want to be discussed in whatever material is being contemplated, but I created a ribbon tutorial that you may want to refer people to.  if you want to see it, I'll send it in another message.  I'd have to upload it to my Drop Box account if you want to provide a link.  I improved it a little.  It was previously a part of a short Windows 7 tutorial I did but I never uploaded it separately.
Gene
----- Original message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Keystrokes from other screenreaders NVDA does not have

hi quentin.
the only amazing aspect of jaws that unfortunately nvda does not
support, its virtual ribbon menu that we can navigate between ribbons
as we used to use in classic menus.

On 6/25/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> The discussion in the Drag and drop thread around the system tray has got
> me thinking:
> - The NV Access philosophy is that if Windows includes functionality which
> is accessible, why re-invent the wheel
> - Users who come from other screen readers get confused when they are
> encouraged to use the Windows keystrokes for functionality they are used to
> being provided by the screen reader.
>
> I was going to mention the "Switching from Jaws to NVDA" document in that
> thread, but in reading it just now, I noted that it does NOT, in fact,
> include how to perform tasks such as access the system tray.
>
> So, can anyone please give me examples of functionality that other screen
> readers provide (such as INSERT+F11 to access the system tray), that NVDA
> expects people to use the Windows keystroke (WINDOWS+B in the case of the
> system tray) for?
>
> I'd like to collate them and update the relevant documents with them, and
> potentially even make a document all its own if needed.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
> --
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> Training and Support Manager
>
> NVDA 2019.2beta1 <https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2beta1-released/>
> now available!
>
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> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>
>
>
>


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By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



The Brilliance of Object Navigation

Ed Marquette
 

Being relatively new to NVDA, I wondered about this thing called Object Navigation.  I  was used to what NVDA calls flat screen review.  I even saw a post here about preferring flat screen review – as featured in JAWS – to Object Navigation (though they aren’t really alternatives).

I was sort of able to get my head around Object Navigation by thinking of it as a swipe left or a swipe right on my iPhone.  That’s only an approximation.

I am dealing with an application called ND Mail.  As one arrows through the email screen in Outlook (the one that just announces the sender, subject, and other basic information) ND Mail tries, using AI, to predict where the email should be filed in our document management system.

There is a predictions screen that is constantly running and displaying predicted file locations.  That constant screen activity slows down NVDA, but it renders JAWS useless, taking up to 30 seconds just to navigate to the next message.

I wondered whether this so-called Object Navigation might help.  I was shocked.  With shift+CapsLock+arrow keys, I can jump from message to message instantly.  Then, CapsLoc+ENTER opens the message.

This was a truly thrilling discovery. I have since started using Object Review mode to discover prompts not otherwise announced, to copy text in otherwise inaccessible locations, and to read the contents of strange read-only edit boxes.

For those, like me, who came to NVDA after using other screen readers for decades, Object Navigation is a strange, but truly wonderful, concept.

If you have not tried it, I encourage you to give it a shot.  It really came to my rescue.

 


Re: Lightweight and Snappy Web Browsers

Andy
 

Try Brave. I believe it is modeled after Chrome, perhaps uses the Chrome engine. It has a look and feel similar to Chrome, and in my limited use, it seems very snappy, like Chrome did when I first started using it.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@...>
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 4:59 PM
Subject: [nvda] Lightweight and Snappy Web Browsers


Dear all,

Currently, my primary web browser is Firefox, and I resort to Chrome
for large or heavy pages which Chrome renders with relative speed and
ease. However, due to certain reasons (mostly performance and resource
consumption related), I am considering to abandon Google Chrome. I was
wonderingn if there are any other known accessible web browsers that
have characteristics of being quick and snappy and lightweight.

I would greatly appreciate your inputs and suggestions.

Thanks.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@...
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


Lightweight and Snappy Web Browsers

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,

Currently, my primary web browser is Firefox, and I resort to Chrome
for large or heavy pages which Chrome renders with relative speed and
ease. However, due to certain reasons (mostly performance and resource
consumption related), I am considering to abandon Google Chrome. I was
wonderingn if there are any other known accessible web browsers that
have characteristics of being quick and snappy and lightweight.

I would greatly appreciate your inputs and suggestions.

Thanks.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@...
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


locked Re: The ribbon tutorial

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

while this thread has not seen any responses, a few others were spun off as a result. This thread, is indeed, off-topic for this list. Why?

the rules state that topics relating to NVDA are on topic. Topics related to the ribbon or Windows are not on topic. There are mailing lists for discussions about Office and Windows, and these topics are best discussed there.

How could this topic be made on topic for this list? Had the topic discussed the use of NVDA and NVDA-specific features, it would be on topic. Had someone asked "Is there a similar feature as the virtual ribbon with NVDA" then that could be on topic. If the question was something about the accessibility or inaccessibility of part of the ribbon with NVDA, that could be on topic. If it had to do with an announcement which was verbalized by NVDA in the ribbon, that would be on topic. If it is a tutorial in general on how to use the ribbon, and it has nothing to do with NVDA, it is off-topic, and is best discussed on the chat list and/or on mailing lists which more align with the topic.

Finally, if you disagree, do not post your disagreement on list. The nvda Owner address is open for your comments, and I can promise you that they will be considered, even if they will not always be acted on.

This topic is now locked, and I urge anyone wishing to post a tutorial to get permission first from the Owner address. Had Gene reached out to the Owner address requesting permission to post something like this, it is possible that this permission may have been granted, and the topic could have been locked immediately, but this was not what happened.

Thanks everyone.


Re: Task Manager Alternatives

JM Casey
 

Hi.

 

I use Process Explorer instead of task manager, but only with the Shark guy unfortunately. It would be interesting to know why it is less accessible with NVDA (which, indeed it is), and if this can be worked out in some way.

Originally I used Process Explorer back in the Windows XP days and found that I just liked it more. I was finding the Windows task manager unbearably slow to respond (something which may have been fixed, now) and so switched back to PE, which is very fast and robust, but again, only with JFW, which does irk me somewhat.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June 25, 2019 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Task Manager Alternatives

 

On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:04 AM, Tyler Spivey wrote:

I think you mean Process Explorer; that's more like task manager.

You're correct.  There is a utility called Process Monitor as well, but it was Process Explorer that I meant.   It's been ages since I used it and for me I've always found it overkill for general use, but I don't know of any others.  It will be interesting to see if others do, and particularly accessible options.

In playing with it now for a few moments it's not accessible in any useful sense with NVDA.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

Puritanism:  The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

        ~ H.L. Mencken

 

 


locked Re: More tutorials like this, was The ribbon tutorial

 

Gene,

           The group rules are not up for reconsideration, and there has already been extensive discussion about that.   The arrangement such that NVDA-centric questions belong here, and those about anything else in the Chat Subgroup, benefits those who wish to get information about either subject.

           It is up to any member whether or not they wish to join the Chat Subgroup.  But non-NVDA-centric topics will be locked, as this one now is.

           As has already been noted, if you have concerns you'd like to raise about group policy, those should be directed to the group owner via nvda+owner@groups.io 
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Puritanism:  The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

        ~ H.L. Mencken