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Re: NVDA WITH EDITPLUS

Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks for the update!

The last message in the issue suggests trying the most recent alpha, which you can download here: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/



On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 9:31 PM Richard Bartholomew <rlbart53@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

As the originator of today’s exchange, I’d just like to add that, once I’ve worked out how to use GitHub easily, I’ll either update the existing issue or, if more relevant, create a new one!  However, I didn’t realise there was a potential problem with EditPlus itself since I’ve been using it regularly with JAWS for the past few years and it’s only when deciding to increase my use of NVDA that the issue came to light for me!

 

Also, just to add that I’ve now upgraded EditPlus from 4.3 to 5 and the problem persists.

 

Cheers

Richard Bartholomew

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 21 June 2019 12:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA WITH EDITPLUS

 

Have you also written to the developers of EditPlus?  These issues are often caused by the developers choosing to use non-standard controls, and if they can address the issues that choice causes, it can have benefits for not only NVDA users, but users of other screen readers and potentially other assistive technologies as well.

 

There was a thread on here a year ago (or a message and a reply at least).  That noted that the review cursor worked to navigate line by line.

 

There is also an issue on our GitHub issue tracker, and in that there is a request for someone to try a recent NVDA alpha build and report back as to whether it fixes the issue or not.

 

Finally, if you could please advise where you have left messages, as I can't find any message on any of the places I usually see requests for help.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 8:21 PM Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:

Carlos wrote:

>     I have left numerous messages to NVDA developers about this very issue.

Where? Apparently not on Github, which I think is the only official way to do
that. I found only one issue about this, and it wasn't from you. Still though,
it does touch on Richard's problem.

You and he might want to either comment on this issue, or post a new one with
better detail than this one has.
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8461

Luke



 

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Re: NVDA WITH EDITPLUS

Richard Bartholomew
 

Hi,

 

As the originator of today’s exchange, I’d just like to add that, once I’ve worked out how to use GitHub easily, I’ll either update the existing issue or, if more relevant, create a new one!  However, I didn’t realise there was a potential problem with EditPlus itself since I’ve been using it regularly with JAWS for the past few years and it’s only when deciding to increase my use of NVDA that the issue came to light for me!

 

Also, just to add that I’ve now upgraded EditPlus from 4.3 to 5 and the problem persists.

 

Cheers

Richard Bartholomew

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 21 June 2019 12:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA WITH EDITPLUS

 

Have you also written to the developers of EditPlus?  These issues are often caused by the developers choosing to use non-standard controls, and if they can address the issues that choice causes, it can have benefits for not only NVDA users, but users of other screen readers and potentially other assistive technologies as well.

 

There was a thread on here a year ago (or a message and a reply at least).  That noted that the review cursor worked to navigate line by line.

 

There is also an issue on our GitHub issue tracker, and in that there is a request for someone to try a recent NVDA alpha build and report back as to whether it fixes the issue or not.

 

Finally, if you could please advise where you have left messages, as I can't find any message on any of the places I usually see requests for help.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 8:21 PM Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:

Carlos wrote:

>     I have left numerous messages to NVDA developers about this very issue.

Where? Apparently not on Github, which I think is the only official way to do
that. I found only one issue about this, and it wasn't from you. Still though,
it does touch on Richard's problem.

You and he might want to either comment on this issue, or post a new one with
better detail than this one has.
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8461

Luke



 

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Re: NVDA WITH EDITPLUS

Quentin Christensen
 

Have you also written to the developers of EditPlus?  These issues are often caused by the developers choosing to use non-standard controls, and if they can address the issues that choice causes, it can have benefits for not only NVDA users, but users of other screen readers and potentially other assistive technologies as well.

There was a thread on here a year ago (or a message and a reply at least).  That noted that the review cursor worked to navigate line by line.

There is also an issue on our GitHub issue tracker, and in that there is a request for someone to try a recent NVDA alpha build and report back as to whether it fixes the issue or not.

Finally, if you could please advise where you have left messages, as I can't find any message on any of the places I usually see requests for help.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 8:21 PM Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:
Carlos wrote:

>     I have left numerous messages to NVDA developers about this very issue.

Where? Apparently not on Github, which I think is the only official way to do
that. I found only one issue about this, and it wasn't from you. Still though,
it does touch on Richard's problem.

You and he might want to either comment on this issue, or post a new one with
better detail than this one has.
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8461

Luke





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Re: pdf to text add on

Rui Fontes
 

According with the *.py file I have:
__gestures = {"kb:NVDA+shift+p": "convertToText"}

Rui Fontes


Às 00:02 de 21/06/2019, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io escreveu:

guys
how do you use the pdf to text add on?
how does it work
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Re: NVDA WITH EDITPLUS

Luke Davis
 

Carlos wrote:

    I have left numerous messages to NVDA developers about this very issue.
Where? Apparently not on Github, which I think is the only official way to do that. I found only one issue about this, and it wasn't from you. Still though, it does touch on Richard's problem.

You and he might want to either comment on this issue, or post a new one with better detail than this one has.
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8461

Luke


Re: Skipping Lists

Luke Davis
 

On Fri, 21 Jun 2019, Marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Maybe certain pages aren't optimized enough to work with NVDA. I should've thought :)
Well, if it happens again, please send one. There should be no optimization that can effect this. If it's a list, comma should take you to the end of it. Nothing the page author has to do but use an actual HTML list.

Luke


Re: Skipping Lists

 

Gene,
Thanks for the answer. It really made things a bit clearer now.
Once, I enabled the other mode where links appear on separate lines. But to be honest I did it more for testing purposes than for anything else because the default mode isn't a problem for me at all.

I'll play with these commands, for moving by headings and skipping a block of links and see what's better and when. Again, thanks :)

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Re: Skipping Lists

Gene
 

A block of links is a number, it may be a small or a large number, of links one following the other.  It doesn't matter if they are on the same line or not.  And I don't use use screen layout if supported, so links all appear on separate lines.  That doesn't matter for what we are discussing but have you tried it and compared it with the default, which is to use it? 
 
I oversimplified my first statement for ease of writing and organizing what I said.  Screen-readers, if there is a small amount of text interrupting a block of links skips that small amount of text and then the other links in the block.  If It doesn't matter how many short text passages there are interrupting blocks of links, they will be skipped. 
For example, if there are blocks of links and then the word "news" on a web site to denote the start of news rather than navigation links, in other words links to stories, the word news is skipped.  the point is to get you to substantial amounts of text or text that is more than a few words, which often isn't important.
 
Try using skip blocks of links on a page, then compare it with using move by heading.  You will find pages where one method works better and other pages where the other does.  You can decide by experimenting and comparing which you want to use as the first choice on pages in general and which as the second choice unless you have something else you would rather use in a general order.  But I find that using one is more often the best way to proceed on a page where I want to skip to text such as an article.  There are pages I am familiar with where something else may be best such as using move by heading and then b to move to a button where articles on that particular web site begin.  I'm talking about how to proceed on unfamiliar sites in terms of what is most likely to produce the most efficient results.  And at times, using move by heading once and then skip blocks of links or visa versa may work best on this or that site.  You can experiment with different mixtures and methods on the same and different sites.
 
An example, aside from skipping navigation links at the top of a page where the skip blocs of text command is useful is where you see the title of an article and below that link after link such as share with Facebook, Share with Twitter, etc.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 3:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skipping Lists

Gene and Felix,

Felix wrote:
If the thing you'd like to skip is a block of links then n is the correct command, and if it's a container object such as a list or table you'd like to skip out of then the comma is the right way.
Actually I never know which command I should use because I don't quite understand what would be considered a block of links.
Is this somethhing like several links in the same line?

I find it's often a good idea to contact a website owner if their markup is wrong, and they are mostly willing to correct it as it tends to solve subtle problems not even connected to accessibility.
Hmmm, something to consider. I'll try it next time something like that happens.


Gene wrote:
is there something usually at the end of lists that you can search for?
Probably there is, but I've never tried it yet. Sounds like a nice workaround :)

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Re: NVDA WITH EDITPLUS

Carlos
 

Hello:

    I have left numerous messages to NVDA developers about this very issue.

    It seems that NVDA developers don't pay much attention to fixing issues dealing with commercial software!

    I really do wish that EditPlus would work well with NVDA because I enjoy using it very much!

On 6/21/2019 12:48 AM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:
Hi,

My default text editor is EditPlus V4.3 running on Windows 10 1903.
However, I cannot get it to work with NVDA 2019.1.1 in that when I arrow up
or down in a file, the whole file is read out rather than just the line I'm
arrowing to. The file has carriage returns in it so should be treated as
separate lines. If I Control+Left or Right Arrow, I can read a word at a
time but, again, if I Control+Up or Down Arrow, the whole file is read out!

Does anyone else use EditPlus, please, and, if so, have any suggestions?

Thanks
Richard Bartholomew



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Re: Skipping Lists

 

Gene and Felix,

Felix wrote:
If the thing you'd like to skip is a block of links then n is the correct command, and if it's a container object such as a list or table you'd like to skip out of then the comma is the right way.
Actually I never know which command I should use because I don't quite understand what would be considered a block of links.
Is this somethhing like several links in the same line?

I find it's often a good idea to contact a website owner if their markup is wrong, and they are mostly willing to correct it as it tends to solve subtle problems not even connected to accessibility.
Hmmm, something to consider. I'll try it next time something like that happens.


Gene wrote:
is there something usually at the end of lists that you can search for?
Probably there is, but I've never tried it yet. Sounds like a nice workaround :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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NVDA WITH EDITPLUS

Richard Bartholomew
 

Hi,

My default text editor is EditPlus V4.3 running on Windows 10 1903.
However, I cannot get it to work with NVDA 2019.1.1 in that when I arrow up
or down in a file, the whole file is read out rather than just the line I'm
arrowing to. The file has carriage returns in it so should be treated as
separate lines. If I Control+Left or Right Arrow, I can read a word at a
time but, again, if I Control+Up or Down Arrow, the whole file is read out!

Does anyone else use EditPlus, please, and, if so, have any suggestions?

Thanks
Richard Bartholomew


Re: Skipping Lists

Felix G.
 

Hi!
If the thing you'd like to skip is a block of links then n is the
correct command, and if it's a container object such as a list or
table you'd like to skip out of then the comma is the right way.
Sometimes, however, what looks like a list isn't coded as one.
I find it's often a good idea to contact a website owner if their
markup is wrong, and they are mostly willing to correct it as it tends
to solve subtle problems not even connected to accessibility.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Juni 2019 um 09:14 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:


It probably isn't just a question of working with NVDA. It is probably some sort of incorrect coding. But is there something usually at the end of lists that you can search for? I don't have my screen-reader identify any structures but links. I consider it distracting clutter and a slight waste of time because of extra verbiage. So I don't know generally what is in lists. but do lists generally contain actual lists, such as of items? If so, if you search for a word like and or the, would that take you out of a list in general and somewhere near the beginning of straight text? I used the Internet before screen-readers identified all these structures and I still consider it important for blind users to find other ways to do things so they can use structures when they work reliably but they aren't overly dependent on them if they aren't there. Unfortunately, teaching materials and instruction don't teach this way. It is far better not to rely on the kindness of strangers with no good alternatives, if available.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 1:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skipping Lists

Luke,

Can we see the article in question?

Well, actually it happened while I was reading several articles. When I was trying the last, just now, to send to you as an example, the command worked. Go figure!
Maybe certain pages aren't optimized enough to work with NVDA. I should've thought :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: Skipping Lists

Gene
 

It probably isn't just a question of working with NVDA.  It is probably some sort of incorrect coding.  But is there something usually at the end of lists that you can search for?  I don't have my screen-reader identify any structures but links.  I consider it distracting clutter and a slight waste of time because of extra verbiage.  So I don't know generally what is in lists.  but do lists generally contain actual lists, such as of items?  If so, if you search for a word like and or the, would that take you out of a list in general and somewhere near the beginning of straight text?  I used the Internet before screen-readers identified all these structures and I still consider it important for blind users to find other ways to do things so they can use structures when they work reliably but they aren't overly dependent on them if they aren't there.  Unfortunately, teaching materials and instruction don't teach this way.  It is far better not to rely on the kindness of strangers with no good alternatives, if available. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 1:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skipping Lists

Luke,
Can we see the article in question?
Well, actually it happened while I was reading several articles. When I was trying the last, just now, to send to you as an example, the command worked. Go figure!
Maybe certain pages aren't optimized enough to work with NVDA. I should've thought :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: Skipping Lists

 

Luke,
Can we see the article in question?
Well, actually it happened while I was reading several articles. When I was trying the last, just now, to send to you as an example, the command worked. Go figure!
Maybe certain pages aren't optimized enough to work with NVDA. I should've thought :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: screen curtain

 

Kerryn,
how do you  asign keystroke mannually
From the userguide:

11.2.3. Input Gestures

In this dialog, you can customize the input gestures (keys on the keyboard, buttons on a braille display, etc.) for NVDA commands.
Only commands that are applicable immediately before the dialog is opened are shown. For example, if you want to customize commands related to browse mode, you should open the Input Gestures dialog while you are in browse mode.
The tree in this dialog lists all of the applicable NVDA commands grouped by category. You can filter them by entering one or more words from the command's name into the Filter by edit box in any order. Any gestures associated with a command are listed beneath the command.
To add an input gesture to a command, select the command and press the Add button. Then, perform the input gesture you wish to associate; e.g. press a key on the keyboard or a button on a braille display. Often, a gesture can be interpreted in more than one way. For example, if you pressed a key on the keyboard, you may wish it to be specific to the current keyboard layout (e.g. desktop or laptop) or you may wish it to apply for all layouts. In this case, a menu will appear allowing you to select the desired option.
To remove a gesture from a command, select the gesture and press the Remove button.
When you are finished making changes, press the OK button to save them or the Cancel button to discard them.

If you need more help with it please let me know :)

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Re: NVDA is not speaking character or word selection within a cell while I try to edit a formula after pressing f2

Quentin Christensen
 

Which version of NVDA and Office are you using?  The problem you've described was an issue for a number of versions of each, caused by a change from Microsoft.  It was fixed earlier this year, but if you're running an older build you may still experience it.

If you can't update, the workaround was to open Excel's options (ALT+F, then T), press CONTROL+TAB until the focus moved down to "Advanced", then press ALT+E to uncheck "Allow editing directly in cells".

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 2:31 PM Mohd. Ahtesham Shaikh <mohd.ahtesham@...> wrote:
NVDA is not speaking character or word selection within a cell while I try to edit a formula after pressing f2
There is a huge formula in a cell.
I want to delete part of the formula by selecting and deleting part of that formula.
NVDA does not read while I am selecting the characters and words of this formula.
Can some one guide on this?
This is currently on office computer. Have to check what happens on the home computer.
But need solution for office computer now.

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locked For resident BrailleNote users: a modernized BrailleNote Users forum is ready to welcome you on Groups.IO

 

Hi all,

 

Before I continue, I would like to request that you contact me privately should you have any questions about the following group (permission granted by list owner):

 

Those of you using BrailleNote from HumanWare (Classic, PK, mPower, Apex, Touch, and Touch Plus) may have heard of a list called BrailleNote Users (BNU for short). Until a few days ago this forum was hosted on Freelists. After consulting members of that list, I (the BrailleNote Users forum creator and list admin) decided to move that forum to Groups.IO, similar to what happened to the current NVDA list several years ago. Compared to 2012 when the Freelists forum began, the Groups.IO forum (which has just launched) simplifies the subscription process, actively monitored and moderated by Humanware people, and most importantly, led by a world-renown expert on BrailleNote and NVDA (yours truly); so in a sense, you’ll get the best of both NVDA and BrailleNote worlds.

 

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Re: Joseph Lee's add-ons: getting ready for 19.07 #addonrelease

 

Hi,

For people using Windows 10 App Essentials: version 19.07 will be the second to last add-on release for people using Windows 10 Version 1803 (April 2018 Update/build 17134). I can grant a one-time extension until end of August, and no more after that.

Cheers,

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 6:55 PM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Joseph Lee's add-ons: getting ready for 19.07 #AddonRelease

 

Hi all,

 

Besides preparing to transition from a BrailleNote Apex to a BrailleNote Touch Plus and promoting the newly modernized BrailleNote Users group on Groups.IO, I’m preparing to release several add-on updates throughout this weekend:

 

  • Add-on Updater 19.07: registers Character Information add-on.
  • Resource Monitor 19.07: Psutil 5.6.3 and localization updates.
  • StationPlaylist 19.07: changes and bug fixes, also 18.09.10-LTS will hit the air at the same time.
  • Windows 10 App Essentials 19.07: changing the behavior of volume/brightness change announcement in Version 1903, ability to track specific events and/or events in specific apps and so on.

 

Note that starting from version 19.07, add-on name for StationPlaylist Studio has been renamed to StationPlaylist to reflect the fact that the add-on now supports more than Studio.

 

The new add-on updates will be released throughout this weekend as follows:

 

  • June 22nd: Add-on Updater 19.07
  • June 23rd: Windows 10 App Essentials 19.07
  • June 24th: StationPlaylist 19.07/18.09.10-LTS, Resource Monitor 19.07

 

For SPL and WinTenApps, a corresponding development snapshot builds will be released.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Joseph Lee's add-ons: getting ready for 19.07 #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

Besides preparing to transition from a BrailleNote Apex to a BrailleNote Touch Plus and promoting the newly modernized BrailleNote Users group on Groups.IO, I’m preparing to release several add-on updates throughout this weekend:

 

  • Add-on Updater 19.07: registers Character Information add-on.
  • Resource Monitor 19.07: Psutil 5.6.3 and localization updates.
  • StationPlaylist 19.07: changes and bug fixes, also 18.09.10-LTS will hit the air at the same time.
  • Windows 10 App Essentials 19.07: changing the behavior of volume/brightness change announcement in Version 1903, ability to track specific events and/or events in specific apps and so on.

 

Note that starting from version 19.07, add-on name for StationPlaylist Studio has been renamed to StationPlaylist to reflect the fact that the add-on now supports more than Studio.

 

The new add-on updates will be released throughout this weekend as follows:

 

  • June 22nd: Add-on Updater 19.07
  • June 23rd: Windows 10 App Essentials 19.07
  • June 24th: StationPlaylist 19.07/18.09.10-LTS, Resource Monitor 19.07

 

For SPL and WinTenApps, a corresponding development snapshot builds will be released.

 

Cheers,

Joseph