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Re: A problem with Nvda and Notepad

Sarah k Alawami
 

Did you try running the registration tool in nvda menu/tools, and or restarting your computer to see if that would work? Also, what eversion of windows are you running, what version of nvda and did you also try with all add ons disabled?

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On 6 Jul 2020, at 8:31, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:

Hi Gene,

The situation is not changed after wraping line, Nvda does not read all words by using Ctrl + right arrow.

Jarek

Dne 06.07.2020 v 14:36 Gene napsal(a):

It isn't a shortcut.  It is actually a Windowss command to move the cursor right by word and NVDA is programmed to read the word the cursor moves through.

I don't know why it isn't reading properly but are you saying it is in Notepad and not in other programs such as Word or Wordpad or a browser?  I suspect you may be having the problem because word wrap is off in Notepad. Notepad doesn't create new lines.  If something you are working on is just a string of text with no line feeds, Notepad sees it as one continuous line and movement doesn't work as you expect.
Open the menus in Notepad.
Right arrow to format and down arrow.
When you get to word wrap, do you hear checked if you let Word wrap be spoken and then wait for a second or two?  If not, press enter when you are on Word Wrap.  It is now turned on and I think the problem will be solved.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Jarek.Krcmar
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2020 6:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A problem with Nvda and Notepad

Hi group,

I have found out, that Nvda reads only some words by the shortcut Ctrl +
right arrow.

Couldn't someone advise me how to discipline NVDA to use me
keyboard shortcuts Ctrl-Right arrow did not omit words? Quite often
I use this acronym and the problem is holding me back.

This problem is in Notepad.

Re: A problem with Nvda and Notepad

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi Gene,

The situation is not changed after wraping line, Nvda does not read all words by using Ctrl + right arrow.


Jarek

Dne 06.07.2020 v 14:36 Gene napsal(a):

It isn't a shortcut.  It is actually a Windowss command to move the cursor right by word and NVDA is programmed to read the word the cursor moves through.

I don't know why it isn't reading properly but are you saying it is in Notepad and not in other programs such as Word or Wordpad or a browser?  I suspect you may be having the problem because word wrap is off in Notepad. Notepad doesn't create new lines.  If something you are working on is just a string of text with no line feeds, Notepad sees it as one continuous line and movement doesn't work as you expect.
Open the menus in Notepad.
Right arrow to format and down arrow.
When you get to word wrap, do you hear checked if you let Word wrap be spoken and then wait for a second or two?  If not, press enter when you are on Word Wrap.  It is now turned on and I think the problem will be solved.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Jarek.Krcmar
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2020 6:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A problem with Nvda and Notepad

Hi group,

I have found out, that Nvda reads only some words by the shortcut Ctrl +
right arrow.

Couldn't someone advise me how to discipline NVDA to use me
keyboard shortcuts Ctrl-Right arrow did not omit words? Quite often
I use this acronym and the problem is holding me back.

This problem is in Notepad.

Re: Subscribing/Unsubscribing from the NVDA Group on Groups.io

Jesse Farquharson
 

Ah, I was referring to the web URL.

Re: Subscribing/Unsubscribing from the NVDA Group on Groups.io

Daniel Wolak
 

Not quite.

If you're referring to subscribing to the list, then you would send a blank message to

nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io

Hth,


Daniel

On 2020-07-06 11:23 a.m., Jesse Farquharson wrote:

Very close.

Just

Nvda@groups.io

Re: Subscribing/Unsubscribing from the NVDA Group on Groups.io

Jesse Farquharson
 

Very close.

Just

Nvda@groups.io

Subscribing/Unsubscribing from the NVDA Group on Groups.io

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi group,

a man from Czech would like to sign to this conference.

Could you send me an address for sign here? I haven't the address.

I suppose, that it isn't nvda@nvda.groups.io

--
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Re: A problem with Nvda and Notepad

Gene
 

I don't know why he does it, but I do so to edit inn Wordpad just as in Word processors and in selecting text.

Word Wrap may well not be the problem. I wrote a lot of text as a test after seeing your message and control right arrow moved properly. I don't know what the problem is. Word wrap might as well be tried, though it probably won't help.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2020 9:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A problem with Nvda and Notepad

Jarek,

I am not sure that WordWrap would make any difference. I have tried reading
with WordWrap off and NVDA still functions normally. However, I am
surprised that you are using control-right arrow to read since this is a
Windows command for reading word by word. Is there a reason for not using
the other NVDA reading controls?

I read words and lines in notepad by using insert and up arrow to read the
current line and insert+down-arrow to read the whole text from the current
line to the bottom of the document.

Both work fine with Wordwrap on and off!

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jarek.Krcmar
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 12:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A problem with Nvda and Notepad

Hi group,

I have found out, that Nvda reads only some words by the shortcut Ctrl +
right arrow.

Couldn't someone advise me how to discipline NVDA to use me keyboard
shortcuts Ctrl-Right arrow did not omit words? Quite often I use this
acronym and the problem is holding me back.

This problem is in Notepad.


--
Jarek

Re: A problem with Nvda and Notepad

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Jarek,

I am not sure that WordWrap would make any difference. I have tried reading
with WordWrap off and NVDA still functions normally. However, I am
surprised that you are using control-right arrow to read since this is a
Windows command for reading word by word. Is there a reason for not using
the other NVDA reading controls?

I read words and lines in notepad by using insert and up arrow to read the
current line and insert+down-arrow to read the whole text from the current
line to the bottom of the document.

Both work fine with Wordwrap on and off!

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jarek.Krcmar
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 12:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A problem with Nvda and Notepad

Hi group,

I have found out, that Nvda reads only some words by the shortcut Ctrl +
right arrow.

Couldn't someone advise me how to discipline NVDA to use me keyboard
shortcuts Ctrl-Right arrow did not omit words? Quite often I use this
acronym and the problem is holding me back.

This problem is in Notepad.


--
Jarek

Re: Premature Forced Updates [Was "nvda Windows 10 Upgrade and Windows 10 App Essentials]

 

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 05:15 AM, Marquette, Ed wrote:
The point is that upgrades are simply not possible for some of us who are stuck in a system where individuals do not have administrative privileges and, therefore, cannot upgrade when they would like.
Been there.  That being said, this generally applies to everything.  You're "stuck in a time delay" on every blessed piece of software in the ecosystem and automatic updating of anything is not permitted to take place.  Thus, you're not presented with a situation where NVDA and/or its add-ons can update while the operating system can't.  The IT department centrally controls it all.
 
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Re: A problem with Nvda and Notepad

Gene
 

It isn't a shortcut. It is actually a Windowss command to move the cursor right by word and NVDA is programmed to read the word the cursor moves through.

I don't know why it isn't reading properly but are you saying it is in Notepad and not in other programs such as Word or Wordpad or a browser? I suspect you may be having the problem because word wrap is off in Notepad. Notepad doesn't create new lines. If something you are working on is just a string of text with no line feeds, Notepad sees it as one continuous line and movement doesn't work as you expect.
Open the menus in Notepad.
Right arrow to format and down arrow.
When you get to word wrap, do you hear checked if you let Word wrap be spoken and then wait for a second or two? If not, press enter when you are on Word Wrap. It is now turned on and I think the problem will be solved.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jarek.Krcmar
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2020 6:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A problem with Nvda and Notepad

Hi group,

I have found out, that Nvda reads only some words by the shortcut Ctrl +
right arrow.

Couldn't someone advise me how to discipline NVDA to use me
keyboard shortcuts Ctrl-Right arrow did not omit words? Quite often
I use this acronym and the problem is holding me back.

This problem is in Notepad.


--
Jarek

A problem with Nvda and Notepad

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi group,

I have found out, that Nvda reads only some words by the shortcut Ctrl + right arrow.

Couldn't someone advise me how to discipline NVDA to use me
keyboard shortcuts Ctrl-Right arrow did not omit words? Quite often
I use this acronym and the problem is holding me back.

This problem is in Notepad.


--
Jarek

Re: Windows 10 Upgrade and Windows 10 App Essentials

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Richard,

I downloaded the 1909 media creation tool and it wouldn't allow me to use it.  It recommended that I use the tool for 2004--the one that gives me the error about my PC settings being incompatible for 2004.

I think I will call the Microsoft Disability line later today.  Maybe one of those gurus can help.


On 7/6/2020 1:19 AM, Richard Wells wrote:

Try using the media creation tool to do it. http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=691209

On 7/5/2020 8:32 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

I have my system set to automatically receive windows updates. I have no delays or any other qualifications for this.  However, I am still stuck on windows 1903. Worse than that, I had saved a tool to upgrade from 1903 to 1909 and used it on my older 32 bit system.  Unfortunately, when I try running it on my newer system, I get an error and it recommends I use the latest upgrade package for windows 2004 May 10 2020 release. This is the tool that tells me I can't upgrade yet.  So what do I do?


On 7/5/2020 1:15 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 12:49 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Actually, Windows 10 App Essentials now require November 2019 Update (Version 1909) or later, not 2004 yet.
-
Which brings us back to why it's so important to:

1. Identify the version and build of Windows 10 under which you're running everything you're running, including NVDA.

2. Keep your version of Windows 10 up to date.  At this point in time, that would mean Version 1909 at the oldest.

When you hear that the next Feature Update is about to be released, regardless of what that happens to be numbered, if your machine is not already on the version immediately previous to that one, then take the steps necessary to manually update, as by that point all machines should have been automatically updated to it, and if they have not been, that means manual intervention is needed.

This can be done either by going to the Microsoft Windows 10 Download Page and using the Update Assistant (Update this PC button) or, preferably in my opinion, Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file.

Right now anyone who's not already on 1909, and whose machine is giving the "not quite ready for Version 2004" message is in a bit of a bind, as the Media Creation Tool is now creating media for Version 2004, and if you don't already have the ISO file for 1909 you're not getting it (or getting it easily, anyway) from Microsoft.  If anyone happens to know if there is a page, at Microsoft (not elsewhere), that hosts the ISO files for those versions of Windows 10 still under support, but not the latest, please share, as I do not know of it.
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Premature Forced Updates [Was "nvda Windows 10 Upgrade and Windows 10 App Essentials]

Marquette, Ed
 

Indeed, a forced upgrade ought to be a rare occurrence.  It should be remembered that updating to the latest version of Windows is often not an individual user’s choice.  Many organizations, in fact, most organizations I know about, deliberately stay at least one update (and sometimes two updates) behind.  One reason I’m told is that organizations are loathed to expend resources to update scores or hundreds of computers without a pretty strong reason, particularly since the interconnectivity of enterprise software is frequently affected by upgrades.  IT Departments tend to test upgrades pretty extensively before deploying them.  Often, an upgrade of Windows will be coordinated with an upgrade of Office too.  The second reason given is that new releases of anything tends to have bugs.  Waiting until the bugs are corrected seems like a wise choice.

I’m not sure I agree with either of the reasons, and I sometimes think they are really excuses, but I cannot say the reasoning is seriously flawed.

The point is that upgrades are simply not possible for some of us who are stuck in a system where individuals do not have administrative privileges and, therefore, cannot upgrade when they would like.

 




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locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

 

i believe that firefox at least not quantum version, is more
accessible than chrome.
i do numerous settings in firefox about:config
that i cant do in chrome.
in firefox before version 68,
disabling multiprocess is available, but in chrome not.
and for the user like me that i really hate automatic update,
in firefox, disabling autoupdate is possible in firefox, but not in chrome!

when i had windows seven, i tested chrome version 64, and i really
could not use material design settings of chrome.
even in some sighted websites, i read comments and people were angry
about new settings in chrome which is material settings.
for me that use a laptop from 2006!
2.5 gb ram, with two cores of cpu, disabling multiprocess is very important.
i love opensource softwares like firefox and nvda.
i love the program that gives me complete control over its settings
and behaviours.
these are the main reasons that i only use firefox and dont use chrome
and chrome based browsers!

On 7/6/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Try it and see. Just because people generally report that a program doesn't

crash doesn't mean you will have the same performance, because there are
differences between systems, perhaps corruption, perhaps just differences.
Programs may work differently even on two different computers running the
same operating system and that have the same hardware. If your computer is

slow and overheats, those may be indications of problems with the system
that may influence the problems you are having.

And you are limiting yourself by refusing to use other browsers, such as
Chrome. We don't know why you won't use other browsers.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: zahra
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2020 12:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any

crash or major issue?

when i use dynamic heavy web pages with javascript,
when my system has overheating issue,
i face unresponsiveness of firefox,
but i did not face firefox and mozilla crash report,
at least since firefox 45.
i really wish to know, if firefox quantum crashing with nvda is
resolved, since which version of firefox exactly it works without any
crashes.

On 7/5/20, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:
Firefox is up to version 78 now. Crashes more often with JAWS 018 on my
new(er) desktop than with nVDA (newest stable release) on my old(er)
lenovo
laptop. Never founda browser that is completely stable 100% of the time.
Firefox is pretty good at recovering from most crashes, though. Not sure
how
much the screen-reader influences the browser crashing but, I am not sure
Freedom Scientific cares that much about Firefox support. Anyway, you'll
need to stop using XP to use Quantum I think...



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: July 5, 2020 11:59 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any
crash or major issue?

hello every one.
as you know,
i use windows xp and firefox 52 with nvda versions 2017.2 and 2017.3.
my only browser is firefox and i really cant tolerate other browsers.
i had issue of firefox crashes in firefox old versions with nvda.
but did not observe firefox crashes at least in firefox 45!
once, i could access windows seven and i tested firefox 61 the crashes
returned frequently.
so, i observed firefox crashes in 30 minute of using firefox!
even in simple web pages like nvda user guide, and my gmail interface
which
is in basic html view, i had frequent crashes and firefox 61 was
completely
unusable for me!
when testing with windows seven, i only used and tested firefox 61 with
nvda
2017.2.
and i did not have nvda 2017.3 on that time.
i know one person who has a laptop from 2009 and for this reason, He
migrated to chrome!
i really wish some experts,
and who use only firefox and compare versions, especially users of old
laptops, help me that 1. is frequent crashing of firefox quantum with
nvda
is resolved or not?
2.
if the issue is resolved,
and mozilla released a stable version of firefox without crashes like
firefox 56 and before, please give me exact version number.
for example: tell me that firefox since version xxx became completely
stable
as it was before firefox quantum.
i searched in the internet and found only this link.
https://www.accessibilityoz.com/2018/11/accessibility-issues-with-firefox-quantum-and-screen-readers/
can someone please help?
can i use one day firefox quantum with nvda 2017.3 without any issues?
or, i should use firefox 52 forever?
thanks so much every one and God bless you all!

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locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

Gene
 

I generally use Chrome because it seems, from the small amount of comparison I've done, to be faster and Firefox may lose its place on more complex pages until the pages really fully load. But I wouldn't be without Firefox. For one thing, Firefox does not automatically play audio. You have to use a play button. Firefox, because it isn't Google Chrome, and doesn't have a conflict of interest concerning gathering data on users, has more ;privacy features than Chrome. I can load a page in firefox and see whether any trackers known to Firefox are being used by the page.

Also, as I said, there are times when sites work better in Firefox and I gave one example.

I'm not saying you should use Firefox as your main browser, but if you are a demanding Internet user, you will very likely come across a page off and on that doesn't work well in Chrome that works much better in Firefox. How are you going to know unless you can test the page? All demanding blind Internet users have two or three different browsers.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Arlene
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2020 12:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?



Well, I find Chrome more responsive then firefox. It could have been that the last computer I had was 7 and it was badly slowing down. I just happen to like Chrome better. I know it’s like firefox. So, I don’t really need it.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Gene
Sent: July 5, 2020 4:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?





Try it and see. Just because people generally report that a program doesn't

crash doesn't mean you will have the same performance, because there are

differences between systems, perhaps corruption, perhaps just differences.

Programs may work differently even on two different computers running the

same operating system and that have the same hardware. If your computer is

slow and overheats, those may be indications of problems with the system

that may influence the problems you are having.



And you are limiting yourself by refusing to use other browsers, such as

Chrome. We don't know why you won't use other browsers.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: zahra

Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2020 12:26 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any

crash or major issue?



when i use dynamic heavy web pages with javascript,

when my system has overheating issue,

i face unresponsiveness of firefox,

but i did not face firefox and mozilla crash report,

at least since firefox 45.

i really wish to know, if firefox quantum crashing with nvda is

resolved, since which version of firefox exactly it works without any

crashes.



On 7/5/20, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:

Firefox is up to version 78 now. Crashes more often with JAWS 018 on my
new(er) desktop than with nVDA (newest stable release) on my old(er)
lenovo
laptop. Never founda browser that is completely stable 100% of the time.
Firefox is pretty good at recovering from most crashes, though. Not sure
how
much the screen-reader influences the browser crashing but, I am not sure
Freedom Scientific cares that much about Firefox support. Anyway, you'll
need to stop using XP to use Quantum I think...
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: July 5, 2020 11:59 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any
crash or major issue?
hello every one.
as you know,
i use windows xp and firefox 52 with nvda versions 2017.2 and 2017.3.
my only browser is firefox and i really cant tolerate other browsers.
i had issue of firefox crashes in firefox old versions with nvda.
but did not observe firefox crashes at least in firefox 45!
once, i could access windows seven and i tested firefox 61 the crashes
returned frequently.
so, i observed firefox crashes in 30 minute of using firefox!
even in simple web pages like nvda user guide, and my gmail interface
which
is in basic html view, i had frequent crashes and firefox 61 was
completely
unusable for me!
when testing with windows seven, i only used and tested firefox 61 with
nvda
2017.2.
and i did not have nvda 2017.3 on that time.
i know one person who has a laptop from 2009 and for this reason, He
migrated to chrome!
i really wish some experts,
and who use only firefox and compare versions, especially users of old
laptops, help me that 1. is frequent crashing of firefox quantum with nvda
is resolved or not?
2.
if the issue is resolved,
and mozilla released a stable version of firefox without crashes like
firefox 56 and before, please give me exact version number.
for example: tell me that firefox since version xxx became completely
stable
as it was before firefox quantum.
i searched in the internet and found only this link.
https://www.accessibilityoz.com/2018/11/accessibility-issues-with-firefox-quantum-and-screen-readers/
can someone please help?
can i use one day firefox quantum with nvda 2017.3 without any issues?
or, i should use firefox 52 forever?
thanks so much every one and God bless you all!
--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali




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By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

Arlene
 

Zahra, its time you moved on. Xp is long gone. I know it meets your needs. What are you going to do if that computer dies.  It’s not good to cling to the old clunker xp.  The longer you stay with xp the less sites you’ll have access with. Even the old versions of firefox.  If you have 7 you may do okay. But like xp you’ll be left behind. 

 

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From: Gene
Sent: July 5, 2020 4:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

 

Then you need a newer more powerful computer so you can run Windows 7 or 10

or whatever you want to run.  You can't run any version of Firefox later

than 51.x with XP.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: zahra

Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2020 12:31 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any

crash or major issue?

 

fortunately,

most websites that i use, they are not firefox version dependent.

and i could use them even with firefox 3.5!

but i had a problem in using legacy text or web pages in persian that

firefox did not recognize encoding.

and one of my friends told me that she can opens such files with

firefox quantum properly.

i believe that this feature is the most important changes in firefox

quantum that i really need!

also, unfortunately, now, i only have windows xp,

and i forced to uninstall seven

because of more and more overheating my laptop,

and slowness when navigating using nvda even in computer and documents!

 

On 7/5/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> First, you can't use Firefox 51 forever.  Old browsers gradually work with

> fewer and fewer sites.  Try the latest version of Firefox and see if it

> crashes or not on your Windows 7 system.  You can try the portable version

> since that alters nothing on your system. You can continue to use your

> beloved years out of date dangerous version if you wish and evaluate the

> current portable version.  Many people are using Firefox, the latest one,

> and I've seen no pattern of complaints.  While I don't use firefox much, I

> haven't had problems with more recent versions.

> Gene

> -----Original Message-----

> From: zahra

> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2020 10:58 AM

> To: nvda@groups.io

> Subject: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any

> crash or major issue?

> hello every one.

> as you know,

> i use windows xp and firefox 52 with nvda versions 2017.2 and 2017.3.

> my only browser is firefox and i really cant tolerate other browsers.

> i had issue of firefox crashes in firefox old versions with nvda.

> but did not observe firefox crashes at least in firefox 45!

> once, i could access windows seven and i tested firefox 61

> the crashes returned frequently.

> so, i observed firefox crashes in 30 minute of using firefox!

> even in simple web pages like nvda user guide,

> and my gmail interface which is in basic html view,

> i had frequent crashes and firefox 61 was completely unusable for me!

> when testing with windows seven, i only used and tested firefox 61

> with nvda 2017.2.

> and i did not have nvda 2017.3 on that time.

> i know one person who has a laptop from 2009 and for this reason, He

> migrated to chrome!

> i really wish some experts,

> and who use only firefox and compare versions,

> especially users of old laptops,

> help me that

> 1. is frequent crashing of firefox quantum with nvda is resolved or not?

> 2.

> if the issue is resolved,

> and mozilla released a stable version of firefox without crashes like

> firefox 56 and before,

> please give me exact version number.

> for example: tell me that firefox since version xxx became completely

> stable as it was before firefox quantum.

> i searched in the internet and found only this link.

> https://www.accessibilityoz.com/2018/11/accessibility-issues-with-firefox-quantum-and-screen-readers/

> can someone please help?

> can i use one day firefox quantum with nvda 2017.3 without any issues?

> or, i should use firefox 52 forever?

> thanks so much every one and God bless you all!

> --

> By God,

> were I given all the seven heavens

> with all they contain

> in order that

> I may disobey God

> by depriving an ant

> from the husk of a grain of barley,

> I would not do it.

> imam ali

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 

 

 

locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

Arlene
 

Well, I find Chrome more responsive then firefox.  It could have been that the last computer I had was 7 and it was badly slowing down. I just happen to like Chrome better. I know it’s like firefox. So, I don’t really need it.  

 

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From: Gene
Sent: July 5, 2020 4:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

 

Try it and see.  Just because people generally report that a program doesn't

crash doesn't mean you will have the same performance, because there are

differences between systems, perhaps corruption, perhaps just differences.

Programs may work differently even on two different computers running the

same operating system and that have the same hardware.  If your computer is

slow and overheats, those may be indications of problems with the system

that may influence the problems you are having.

 

And you are limiting yourself by refusing to use other browsers, such as

Chrome.  We don't know why you won't use other browsers.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: zahra

Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2020 12:26 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any

crash or major issue?

 

when i use dynamic heavy web pages with javascript,

when my system has overheating issue,

i face unresponsiveness of firefox,

but i did not face firefox and mozilla crash report,

at least since firefox 45.

i really wish to know, if firefox quantum crashing with nvda is

resolved, since which version of firefox exactly it works without any

crashes.

 

On 7/5/20, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:

> Firefox is up to version 78 now. Crashes more often with JAWS 018 on my

> new(er) desktop than with nVDA (newest stable release) on my old(er)

> lenovo

> laptop. Never founda  browser that is completely stable 100% of the time.

> Firefox is pretty good at recovering from most crashes, though. Not sure

> how

> much the screen-reader influences the browser crashing but, I am not sure

> Freedom Scientific cares that much about Firefox support. Anyway, you'll

> need to stop using XP to use Quantum I think...

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra

> Sent: July 5, 2020 11:59 AM

> To: nvda@groups.io

> Subject: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any

> crash or major issue?

> hello every one.

> as you know,

> i use windows xp and firefox 52 with nvda versions 2017.2 and 2017.3.

> my only browser is firefox and i really cant tolerate other browsers.

> i had issue of firefox crashes in firefox old versions with nvda.

> but did not observe firefox crashes at least in firefox 45!

> once, i could access windows seven and i tested firefox 61 the crashes

> returned frequently.

> so, i observed firefox crashes in 30 minute of using firefox!

> even in simple web pages like nvda user guide, and my gmail interface

> which

> is in basic html view, i had frequent crashes and firefox 61 was

> completely

> unusable for me!

> when testing with windows seven, i only used and tested firefox 61 with

> nvda

> 2017.2.

>  and i did not have nvda 2017.3 on that time.

> i know one person who has a laptop from 2009 and for this reason, He

> migrated to chrome!

> i really wish some experts,

> and who use only firefox and compare versions, especially users of old

> laptops, help me that 1. is frequent crashing of firefox quantum with nvda

> is resolved or not?

> 2.

> if the issue is resolved,

> and mozilla released a stable version of firefox without crashes like

> firefox 56 and before, please give me exact version number.

> for example: tell me that firefox since version xxx became completely

> stable

> as it was before firefox quantum.

> i searched in the internet and found only this link.

> https://www.accessibilityoz.com/2018/11/accessibility-issues-with-firefox-quantum-and-screen-readers/

> can someone please help?

> can i use one day firefox quantum with nvda 2017.3 without any issues?

> or, i should use firefox 52 forever?

> thanks so much every one and God bless you all!

> --

> By God,

> were I given all the seven heavens

> with all they contain

> in order that

> I may disobey God

> by depriving an ant

> from the husk of a grain of barley,

> I would not do it.

> imam ali

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 

 

 

locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

Gene
 

Because there are times when you can do something with Firefox you can't do with Chrome and the other browsers being discussed, Eddge, Chrome, are Chrome-based browsers. I think it is a very good idea to have a browser that isn't chrome based, even if someone uses Chrome or a Chrome based browser as their main one.

there is a blogging site where I can't submit comments using Chrome. I can submit them using Firefox.

Absolutist positions such as I won't use this or that are limiting and may mean you won't be able to do something for no good reason.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Arlene
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2020 12:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?



Preach it! I didn’t like it either when I had windows 7. I don’t have it on this system. I don’t intend to install it here. All the browsers like Chrome are like it. So, why would I want firefox here? I got Microsoft edge and Chrome here they are a like.



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From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: July 5, 2020 4:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?







I actually hate firefox. I use the latest what ever that is on windows 10 and it slows my system to a crawl. I'll use it for testing stuff, but I prefer brave. By the way I'm running windows 10 2004 and nvda 20.x and I will not touch FF unless i have to.

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On 5 Jul 2020, at 16:35, Sean wrote:



No version of Firefox is compatible with NVDA than Chrome.
It is also valid for Quantum.

I really wanted to use Firefox.
But just like your problems, crashes occurred.



On 05/07/2020 18:58, zahra wrote:

hello every one.as you know,i use windows xp and firefox 52 with nvda versions 2017.2 and 2017.3.my only browser is firefox and i really cant tolerate other browsers.i had issue of firefox crashes in firefox old versions with nvda.but did not observe firefox crashes at least in firefox 45!once, i could access windows seven and i tested firefox 61the crashes returned frequently.so, i observed firefox crashes in 30 minute of using firefox!even in simple web pages like nvda user guide,and my gmail interface which is in basic html view,i had frequent crashes and firefox 61 was completely unusable for me!when testing with windows seven, i only used and tested firefox 61with nvda 2017.2. and i did not have nvda 2017.3 on that time.i know one person who has a laptop from 2009 and for this reason, Hemigrated to chrome!i really wish some experts,and who use only firefox and compare versions,especially users of old laptops,help me that1. is frequent crashing of firefox quantum with nvda is resolved or not?2.if the issue is resolved,and mozilla released a stable version of firefox without crashes likefirefox 56 and before,please give me exact version number.for example: tell me that firefox since version xxx became completelystable as it was before firefox quantum.i searched in the internet and found only this link.https://www.accessibilityoz.com/2018/11/accessibility-issues-with-firefox-quantum-and-screen-readers/can someone please help?can i use one day firefox quantum with nvda 2017.3 without any issues?or, i should use firefox 52 forever?thanks so much every one and God bless you all!

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Re: Windows 10 Upgrade and Windows 10 App Essentials

Richard Wells
 

Try using the media creation tool to do it. http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=691209

On 7/5/2020 8:32 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

I have my system set to automatically receive windows updates. I have no delays or any other qualifications for this.  However, I am still stuck on windows 1903. Worse than that, I had saved a tool to upgrade from 1903 to 1909 and used it on my older 32 bit system.  Unfortunately, when I try running it on my newer system, I get an error and it recommends I use the latest upgrade package for windows 2004 May 10 2020 release. This is the tool that tells me I can't upgrade yet.  So what do I do?


On 7/5/2020 1:15 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 12:49 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Actually, Windows 10 App Essentials now require November 2019 Update (Version 1909) or later, not 2004 yet.
-
Which brings us back to why it's so important to:

1. Identify the version and build of Windows 10 under which you're running everything you're running, including NVDA.

2. Keep your version of Windows 10 up to date.  At this point in time, that would mean Version 1909 at the oldest.

When you hear that the next Feature Update is about to be released, regardless of what that happens to be numbered, if your machine is not already on the version immediately previous to that one, then take the steps necessary to manually update, as by that point all machines should have been automatically updated to it, and if they have not been, that means manual intervention is needed.

This can be done either by going to the Microsoft Windows 10 Download Page and using the Update Assistant (Update this PC button) or, preferably in my opinion, Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file.

Right now anyone who's not already on 1909, and whose machine is giving the "not quite ready for Version 2004" message is in a bit of a bind, as the Media Creation Tool is now creating media for Version 2004, and if you don't already have the ISO file for 1909 you're not getting it (or getting it easily, anyway) from Microsoft.  If anyone happens to know if there is a page, at Microsoft (not elsewhere), that hosts the ISO files for those versions of Windows 10 still under support, but not the latest, please share, as I do not know of it.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

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