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Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Annette Moore
 

Thanks, Gene NZ.

Annette

On 3/12/2019 10:55 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


when i had it disabled under startup i did not get the message after that. I re enabled it and it comes back.


If you disable it you can still use it by going to the shortcut and going in that way..


Gene nz


On 13/03/2019 3:51 PM, Annette Moore wrote:

Would simply disabling it from Startup stop these invisible Dropbox windows from popping up?, or would the notifications also need to be turned off?

Annette

On 3/12/2019 8:17 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

it certainly is, and until you turn off drop box, though you might like to know if a friend or colleague sends you stuff or gets stuff, you have to put up with this s**t.

On 3/11/2019 12:52 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Its annoying as hell.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 3:50:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups
 

That is correct – it’s not a notification. It is a box that comes up over and over though.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of George McCoy
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

For me, this is not a notification.  It looks exactly like the screen that comes up when I click the dropbox button in the system tray/user notifications area of windows 10.

 

George

On 3/11/2019 11:11 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

Good Morning:  I read this information a little late.  However, I check notifications, which are in settings and the notification for Drop Box is uncheck.

Dave

 

On 2/25/2019 5:10 AM, Gene wrote:

Has anyone looked through options in Dropbox to see if anything is available about not showing notifications or messages?  These are, presumably, shown in the system tray.  I almost never use DropBox, though I have it, and I usually don't have it running.  I don't know if I have the latest version.  But the first thing I would do is look through the options to see if anything is available.  I may check later today but it might be better if someone checks who uses it regularly, and knows they have the problem version.  Presumably, I either do or it would update if I leave it on.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 3:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

The whole thrust of it for us is that you can hear when new updates come in.
To try to schedule everything at the studio will cause our non tech folk a
problem
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Is there any reason to have it running constantly?  You can exit it and only
run it when you want to use it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Scholes
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:32 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Hi all,

I'm running Dropbox v68.3.92.  Approximately every half an hour or so,
NVDA's focus is being moved to a Dropbox window which only seems to
contain a single, blank edit field.  The window doesn't seem to stay on
the screen, but focus isn't returned to where it was previously after it
disappears.  In fact, NVDA reports it as taking up a rectangle of 0
pixels, so I don't know if anything shows up visually on the screen at all.

As you can imagine, having to dismiss these boxes several times per day
is irritating.  Does anybody have a work-around?

Regards,

James Scholes
https://twitter.com/JamesScholes







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W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 
To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Annette Moore
 

I'd like it to be running so I'd receive notifications of things being shared in various folders, but I could live without that if I knew this was a temporary thing until a fix was implemented. I probably don't get as many of these popup phantom windows as some do, though. I may get them once an hour or so, and other than placing me out of focus for a few seconds, forcing me to have to alt tab back to the program I was using, they aren't too disruptive so I may not do anything unless or until they increase. At this point they're just a small nuisance.

Annette

On 3/12/2019 9:57 PM, Gene wrote:
I'm sure if the program weren't running, you wouldn't get such notifications.  But some people want the program to be constantly running and for those people this would be a problem.  And even if you have the program run at boot up, you can close it in the system tray.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Would simply disabling it from Startup stop these invisible Dropbox windows from popping up?, or would the notifications also need to be turned off?

Annette

On 3/12/2019 8:17 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

it certainly is, and until you turn off drop box, though you might like to know if a friend or colleague sends you stuff or gets stuff, you have to put up with this s**t.

On 3/11/2019 12:52 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Its annoying as hell.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 3:50:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups
 

That is correct – it’s not a notification. It is a box that comes up over and over though.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of George McCoy
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

For me, this is not a notification.  It looks exactly like the screen that comes up when I click the dropbox button in the system tray/user notifications area of windows 10.

 

George

On 3/11/2019 11:11 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

Good Morning:  I read this information a little late.  However, I check notifications, which are in settings and the notification for Drop Box is uncheck.

Dave

 

On 2/25/2019 5:10 AM, Gene wrote:

Has anyone looked through options in Dropbox to see if anything is available about not showing notifications or messages?  These are, presumably, shown in the system tray.  I almost never use DropBox, though I have it, and I usually don't have it running.  I don't know if I have the latest version.  But the first thing I would do is look through the options to see if anything is available.  I may check later today but it might be better if someone checks who uses it regularly, and knows they have the problem version.  Presumably, I either do or it would update if I leave it on.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 3:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

The whole thrust of it for us is that you can hear when new updates come in.
To try to schedule everything at the studio will cause our non tech folk a
problem
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Is there any reason to have it running constantly?  You can exit it and only
run it when you want to use it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Scholes
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:32 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Hi all,

I'm running Dropbox v68.3.92.  Approximately every half an hour or so,
NVDA's focus is being moved to a Dropbox window which only seems to
contain a single, blank edit field.  The window doesn't seem to stay on
the screen, but focus isn't returned to where it was previously after it
disappears.  In fact, NVDA reports it as taking up a rectangle of 0
pixels, so I don't know if anything shows up visually on the screen at all.

As you can imagine, having to dismiss these boxes several times per day
is irritating.  Does anybody have a work-around?

Regards,

James Scholes
https://twitter.com/JamesScholes







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HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


when i had it disabled under startup i did not get the message after that. I re enabled it and it comes back.


If you disable it you can still use it by going to the shortcut and going in that way..


Gene nz


On 13/03/2019 3:51 PM, Annette Moore wrote:

Would simply disabling it from Startup stop these invisible Dropbox windows from popping up?, or would the notifications also need to be turned off?

Annette

On 3/12/2019 8:17 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

it certainly is, and until you turn off drop box, though you might like to know if a friend or colleague sends you stuff or gets stuff, you have to put up with this s**t.

On 3/11/2019 12:52 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Its annoying as hell.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 3:50:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups
 

That is correct – it’s not a notification. It is a box that comes up over and over though.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of George McCoy
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

For me, this is not a notification.  It looks exactly like the screen that comes up when I click the dropbox button in the system tray/user notifications area of windows 10.

 

George

On 3/11/2019 11:11 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

Good Morning:  I read this information a little late.  However, I check notifications, which are in settings and the notification for Drop Box is uncheck.

Dave

 

On 2/25/2019 5:10 AM, Gene wrote:

Has anyone looked through options in Dropbox to see if anything is available about not showing notifications or messages?  These are, presumably, shown in the system tray.  I almost never use DropBox, though I have it, and I usually don't have it running.  I don't know if I have the latest version.  But the first thing I would do is look through the options to see if anything is available.  I may check later today but it might be better if someone checks who uses it regularly, and knows they have the problem version.  Presumably, I either do or it would update if I leave it on.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 3:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

The whole thrust of it for us is that you can hear when new updates come in.
To try to schedule everything at the studio will cause our non tech folk a
problem
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Is there any reason to have it running constantly?  You can exit it and only
run it when you want to use it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Scholes
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:32 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Hi all,

I'm running Dropbox v68.3.92.  Approximately every half an hour or so,
NVDA's focus is being moved to a Dropbox window which only seems to
contain a single, blank edit field.  The window doesn't seem to stay on
the screen, but focus isn't returned to where it was previously after it
disappears.  In fact, NVDA reports it as taking up a rectangle of 0
pixels, so I don't know if anything shows up visually on the screen at all.

As you can imagine, having to dismiss these boxes several times per day
is irritating.  Does anybody have a work-around?

Regards,

James Scholes
https://twitter.com/JamesScholes







-- 


Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

locked Re: NVDA for Android and IOS

 

I meant access from microsoft.

Microsoft has eventually come into access but only in the last 10-15 years.

And its almost 12-11 years really.

Its why jaws is the monster it is etc.

In dos there were a lot of things, but microsoft never showed interest with access till well windows 98 aproximitly maybe thats a bit harsh, the first form of msaa shipped withI think either windows 95 sr2 or 3, so maybe as early as 1996-1997.

Certainly office 1997 was accessible and had some accessibility to it.

windows 1995 sr1 did have a little accessibility.

I should have been a bit more clear,when I said accessibility I meant it from the microsoft side mainly.

On 13/03/2019 6:18 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:
I have to take exception to the statement that in the dos days there was no access at all.  There were many more dos screen readers than there has ever been windows screen readers, so that part of your email is completely wrong, but otherwise, I can't disagree with anything stated.

On Tue, 12 Mar 2019, Shaun Everiss wrote:


Well to be honest what we really need to remember is why we got jaws, before
freedom scientiffic became the real bad boy it is now, and other readers.

Back in the dos days there was no accessibility at all.

Nothing much came from microsoft's end.

This continued through to windows 95.

In windows 98, microsoft started the active accessibility libraries which
improved things but not that much.

In 2003 or there abouts with help from gwmicro the direct chain manager was
done so you could handle readers in a multiple chained process, before that
you made your own chains but they were unstable.

Basically the first screen reader was your video card, which was part of the
next reader up till the end, the last screen reader was your video card.

Start one out of sync, run 2 at once, remove and or uninstall things in an
unordered fashion and you broke the chain.

There were 2 ways to fix this.

1.  remove the chain, reinstall the video drivers and make another one.

Or just reformat.

Which I did a lot of.

You needed technical experience to make the reg files for  the chain and
while I got dolphin support to construct one, it was as fragile as a glass
window, and not that good.

The dcm became mirror drivers in vista and 7 and then in windows 8 microsoft
started the universal access librarys we all love and loath.

The reason jaws and others existed was simply because microsoft didn't come
to the party till late.

Even when xp to 7 came up, microsoft never really put much into narator.

It was just after the laws came in going against those that didn't make
stuff accessible.

It probably also helped that after the death of outspoken and all the new
laws, apple not only showed that it could make an accessible reader but
showed off that it could make something better than waht was about at the
time.

Voiceover has its limits of course but it is in all the programs and devices
now.

Google, same with talkback but there were others at first in droid.

So eventually microsoft had to move.

The reason we are seeing the reader industry shrinking now is possibly
because microsoft is pulling its weight and attempting to catch up to all
the rest.

Now narator is nothing against nvda but its close.

Narator is not jaws.

But its big enough as a bold new kid on the block, not fully grown mind you
that it is shifting mountains if only smaller ones.

Time will tell with businesses if this means the death of jaws or other
readers, sadly dolphin seem to be in no hurry to improve at any speed so
sadly they may die.

I have used their stuff for ages now but still.

Of course the fact we are using a more or less web based interface both
inside  of our oses now and online on websites and web based programs does
help.

There was a time where anything went and while there are a few bad acters
about its not as bad a landscape as it was 5 years back.



There is one end of the road in the screen readers though.

And this isn't actually jaws, either we have reached the inovation curve and
thats not likely because nvda is still inovating things.

Its almost like the comercial guys can't be bothered either that or ms is
moving to fast with their current model.

Or maybe we can accept that most of them have just about done everything
they set out to do and who knows.

As an os, while I really like win10's ease of use, search, and a few other
apps, and shortcuts, the only reason I wouldn't go back to 7 is simply
because 10 in some ways needs less shortcuts to get things done and less key
presses.

On the flipside without my hacking tweaking tools win10 would be quite
hellish.

On the systems I admin which are not mine there are issues, and I hate
ribbons.

Most everything else I can get used to.

On 12/03/2019 3:04 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Re: using win 7 after january 2020

 

Actually windows 10 isn't that bad to be honest with the right tweaks installed.

The only reason I have the stuff I do is to make the shell a bit easier to use, and its only a little bit.

There are a few classic apps I have as well as a few other things, though now some of the universals are opensourced like calc there is no reason why someone couldn't create a blind or classic version and call it something else.

I have seen modified projects which have forks back to the original base project so it seems this is an acceptable if not legal practice.

On 13/03/2019 2:05 AM, Michael Capelle wrote:
I am going to stick with win 7 until i possibly can't.

-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 3:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] using win 7 after january 2020

I thought microsoft would leave us alone.

After pulling their gwx stunt one would think that they would leave us
users alone.

Now while a lot did take the plunge including a lot of friends and
family that can't afford the upgrade, it did annoy quite a few others.



On 12/03/2019 7:16 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think if you are a 7 user you will have seen it as on one update a while back the machines temp home page was changed to the warning about this without anybody asking. I guess they are entitled to do this, but it is slightly annoying when you boot in a browser and find that. Shades of the old practice then they ranmsn.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Kingett" <@blindjourno>
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Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] using win 7 after january 2020


It baffles me why nobody has shared the official blog post, but here it is, from Microsoft.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4057281/windows-7-support-will-end-on-january-14-2020







.




.

Re: using win 7 after january 2020

 

No, ribbon disabler gets rid of the ribbons in windows 10.

There are some draw backs to this though.

The first one is you are unable to ever run an sfc without screwing up your ribbon settings.

Ribbon disabler modifies a dll to make things work.

Every windows update you need to run the ribbon disabler to well disable ribbons and every so often you need to download a new version though there hasn't been a new version for some time.

To be utterly truthfull, if you don't use the shell much you won't need to worry about ribbons.

On the systems I admin and fix, I don't usually need to use any menus or anything in fact where I do I try to get used to this stuff.

Where I draw the line is my own personal workstation.

With winaero tweaker which is a lot of tweaks safely packaged in a file, and ribbon disabler things just work.

What I really like about the winaero stuff is that its free and well described in fact I'm going to donate some cash when I get the chance to winaero.

If I am not sure about what something does then I can click it and it will bring up the website with what it is.

Also, the tweaks are childproof if you screw it up the worse you can do is not have it work, and you turn it off and or on.

If you do run sfc and get your ribbons back, the worse you will need to do is run ribbon disabler twice, first to reenable ribbons then turn them back off again.

On 12/03/2019 10:51 PM, zahra wrote:
hi shaun.
thanks so much for your full of energy, supportive and positive comment!
may i ask that what is winaero disabler?
does it work for users of windows seven?
about aero theme, does it cause accessibility issues for screen readers?
thanks again for your excellent comment, God bless you!

On 3/11/19, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
To be honest, if you have a coppy of windows 7 and use anything from an
intel 530 to an intel 6th gen 6000 series, unless you really want win10
I wouldn't bother with win10.

Especially if you have older hardware, a single hard drive, etc.

Now if you have an ssd or maybe a duel drive system, maybe its worth wile.

And if you have a newer ac dule wireless system and do use a dule
capible router you probably should do this as well.

I have just updated to fibre mind you, and after adjusting my channels
and frequency ranges and filters for certain ranges, I have increased my
download speed from 36mbps to 75mbps, its not all of the 105mbps I can
use via lan but its quite fast.

True on the other side I lost 2mbps on the upload stream but we can't
have everything.

The other reason you wouldd want win10 on a new device would be simply
because the new multiband wireless cards can support the upper range a
bit better, my old n only wireless device said it could support upper
ranges but it became unstable at that range, we will see exactly what
that means, however even if that becomes the case, my wireless extender
does not change channels or at least you can't do that manually, but its
retuned to sub channel5 offof the main unit so lets hope it remains
empty of devices.

If you use an intel 7th gen and or up then you will need windows 10.

If you have an amd box from whatever they started with up to a12, you
should be ok, but the new rysen series needs win10.

If you have an old out of date hd series video card then there are no
newer drivers for you so you may want to either replace that or not
upgrade.

You can and I have people that have but have had so many system issues
they had to abandon their aging hardware.

Another thing to note when upgrading is that while previous versions of
windows from win95 to windowsxp and as far as vista and 7 didn't care
about hardware bar what can run on them windows 10 is quite picky
especially if your hardware gets more than 4-5 years old.

Technically it supports most stuff but there are always issues with a
lot of lower hardware.

I wouldn't update to win10 unless you want to and just because you can.

In fact, if you have the room, I'd get a modern windows box for secured
online stuff and if you can afford it win7 or even xp for off net stuff.

There is no need for win10 if all you will be doing is listening to
media, general email and brousing and if you have a smart phone you can
get rid of that.

If you start to shop or bank online then maybe you should for security
reasons.

Now now I have my workstation I'm not going back to my crappy 3rd
generation windows 7 laptop.

I have got used to a lot of windows10's shortcomings and really love it.

Of course winaero tweaker and ribbon disabler make the os more usable as
an os without destractions.

Now if you do have the ability to go fibre and or mobile wireless then
win10 is essential for best out of your new gear.

But I used vdsl on win7 for ages, and dsl before that back to xp when I
used dialup.

If you don't have anything faster then dsl, or vdsl or still use dialup,
windows10 won't give you anything at this stage.

And to be honest while I don't have a system that uses it, I do have a
coppy of windows xp and a coppy of windows 7 I own from various custom
built workstations.

True windows7 won't have much use fully online but when or if I get an
older box for whatever windows 10 is not going to be put on it.



On 12/03/2019 2:50 AM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Good points raised here!
I, myself, actually only have updated to Win 10 because I had to take
a new laptop.
When I first started, I even thought of formating the toy and putting
Win 7 onto it, but some features of Win 10 got me curious so I wound
up staying with what I've already had.
However I wouldn't hurry anyone to update to Win 10 if they don't want
to, at this point I don't think they really need it.

Cheers,
Marcio
AKA /Starboy/


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Em 11/03/2019 09:00, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
To be honest it may take a little longer for microsoft to completely
kill windows7.

While a lot of even x lease units are now win10, there are still x
lease win7 units about and even in some rare cases you still can buy
a few older generations of win7 workstations of 4-6th generation.

Its likely that thats all going to be phased out but even if it is, I
doubt windows7 or even 8 when it finnally dropps out of support will
actually drop completely.

Firstly, while xp actually was really on the way out, all oses from
vista up use almost the same stuff.

Dot net 4.6 and 4.7 are supported on all windows systems from 7 up,
visual basic up to vb 2015-2017 are still supported, as well as dotnet.

Drivers for hardware if you know where to go are all supported on the
older systems to, there is a lot of modern hardware that while it
runs on 10 will still be supported on 7 and even 8 in fact a lot of
win 8 and 8.1 software and drivers will run on windows 10 not really
recommended but I have some sound card drivers from win7/8 which run
fine without issues.

To be honest, its going to be harder for microsoft to drop win7 and
or even 8, for starters, there is a lot of hardware about, some
workstations still use 7, and while a lot of businesses are now going
to 10, thats only happening as of now, when they replace computers, I
know this because of family that are in business.

With xp, people I talked to said they only updated to win7 when
windows 10 was starting out, in fact they only started win7 with the
2015 version of windows 10 when that was coming out, going to 7.

Some others may wait longer or shorter times.

Its going to even be harder with windows 8 when microsoft finally
cans it.

The only reason to not use win7 possibly is if you want to use a more
powerfull system than the intel 6th gen, and after their security
nightmare, effecting all systems, from what I hear from people that
know, all the security measures in both firmware and windows
mitigations have basically crapified the entire 7-8th generation and
the 8th generation completely with reduced speed.

Its why I moved to amd which while it does share some similarities
with the intel breaches has more protections than intel because of
older technologies being used.

Bar the interface in win8x, the only reason you probably would want
to switch would be because you would like universal apps or something.

With the universal nature of hardware its going to be harder and a
longer time before all that stuff dies.

Whats going to probably eventually happen, is that hardware will stop
being supported and other things but there is more of that than win
xp ever had.

The only other reason to even concidder upgrading to win10 is to use
usb c tech.

Its faster but the ports and plugs mean that basically 99.99999% of
usb devices don't work on usb c meaning you have to buy more hubs to
fit things in.

Now I have seen usb c storage and a few things but its still got to
mature.

My origional plan was to get a 6th gen or a quad 7th gen with all
ports or basically usb 2 and 3 like I used to have with my 3rd gen.

This amd system has usb 2 and usb 3.1 class a which means I get all
the generation upgrades but not c.

Another issue I have with the new systems is the god awefull
microphone and speaker input jack.

This means that even with effects off, the sound for the speakers and
externals is emulated to a point.

This means I need audio drivers running at startup in order to have
it emulate the right device properly.

I have tried without drivers and the card amp in this beast is to
powerfull to run right.

Older units and some newer ones have this sort of thing in and not
the 2 stand alone outputs.

The other god awefull thing that I really hate about the modern
systems is the tieing of all their sound hardware to the display chip.

I understand why they do it, but after the god awefull time I had in
1995 when sound was tied to the cd drive I thought everyone had
learned their lesson.

My asus workstation's card is a card not tied to anything, a 4th gen.

Then again maybe it is the blind that overtax their cards to a point
the limiters trip.

Back in the day when volume controls, stand alone cards analog ones
mainly and real speakers existed we didn't have any of this stupidness.

Now it works but there is a lot of emulation.

And due to the size of the speakers unless you get an entertainment,
gaming or small workstation like I have the speakers are really small
that effects are needed for sound to sound even half good.

Eventually windows 7 like xp will become utter crap, but its going to
get longer.

Xp was allready being phased out by newer things, win98, 95, and old
dos went the same way as well as win2k, me and probably win 8 and vista.

Sadly, win7 has a lot going for it.

There is still a lot of good tech that will be win7 able for ages yet.

And as I said, we would need a big change to really role users over
to 10 at least any time fast.

From technical trends that myself and a friend are following who is
in the security industry, the biggest threat is forging business
emails, as businesses and indeviduals get smarter, the threat of
ransomware is dropping to a point we can handle it reasonably well.

Won't be gone completely but still.

Unlike xp, there is no real advantage to really upgrade over win7 on
its own.

With the loss of office 2010-2016 coming up in the next few years,
that may be enough, and the processer limitations but there are hacks
round that.

As long as there are still people and businesses using it win7 will
continue.

Another thing for 7 and against 10 is the fact microsoft has pulled
out a lot of legacy stuff which is still used.

Things like midi mappers, and some stuff to run older games and
programs which 7 even 64 bit can run with ease.

This is probably why microsoft went with win10 as a service, I mean
why would you ever leave windows 10.

Unless your processer is really old, you wouldn't.

The intel 6gen has stopped production as of last year, 7th is still
about but dropping out now.

Things may pick up with intel 9th gen maybe.

Microsoft have addressed some of the performance bottlenecks in the
mitigations for intel cpus but still.

It will be harder to get rid of win7 and 8 than microsoft actually
thinks.

Win8's interface may drive people to 10, and 8 will drop but 7 is
unlikely to become as xp is.

Even so, people only dropped xp when their support libraries no
longer worked with it.

To be honest, the only reason some stuff like older windows could be
effected is if and when microsoft dropps 32 bit support.

Or at least 32 bit os versions.

A lot of programs use 32 and 64 bit code, nvda being one of them.

What will probably shove things along is the end of 32 as a hardware
architecture.

32 bit machines havn't been made in ages and ages.

The reason 32 bit continues is that a few systems are still running
with 1-4gb ram mainly and the fact a few older programs still exist.

Even if ms were to drop win7 support now, I doubt we'd see any real
change for at least a decade or even more.

With all the cloud services and portables what we may see is a cludge
of oses and devices being used at once.




On 11/03/2019 10:18 PM, Ian Blackburn wrote:
You can continue to use Windows 7 after the end date in the same way
that people are still using Windows XP
But you take the risk of some sort of attack due to the fact that
holes in the operating system are not being patched by the supplier
That’s a risk that you choose to take or not depending on your
situation


On 11 Mar 2019, at 4:47 pm, Monte Single <mrsingle@...
<mailto:mrsingle@...>> wrote:

Microsoft will stop issuing updates for win 7 next January.

I have read comments that win 7 can be used safely after this time
if some conditions are followed.I understand these to be;

---a current browser such as firefox or chrome,

---an accessible antivirus and malware program.

What are antivirus and malware programs that will work with nvda in
win 7?

Are there other items that I should consider if I choose to use win
7 after January 2020?

Thanks,

Monte

Re: using win 7 after january 2020

 

Well ouch was the word man, the drive was designed not to get hacked into.

Unfortunately with the burning of its controler, recovery tools that you would usually use couldn't get anything.

What I learned from the tech that had his hacker friend handle it, is that if you have the clearance you can actually recover drives that criminals have tried to destroy unless they have been torched or dipped in acid.

Shooting a drive doesn't destroy it.

I have almost had a drive become no good and had a drive corrupt on me.

On 12/03/2019 10:10 PM, Stephen wrote:
yikes! ouch!
At 06:22 PM 3/12/2019, you wrote:

Well I wouldn't try to update a first generation duel core 64 bit to win10 sadly a client did that.

It was a joke performance wize, eventually something went bang, and the logic security board for the heavily encripted hard drive with everything on it became a useless pile of slag.

Without the security keys and the board nothing  could be recovered from it.

With some help  a hacker known by the tech the drive was sent to managed to forensicly extract all the data.

The data itself is not dammaged, but all files are in multiple fragments, no names, no folder structure, nothing.

Its been backed up but I have yet to see and reorganise everything.



On 12/03/2019 3:27 PM, Arlene wrote:
(snip)


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Re: Reviewing the screen, help

Gene
 

Make sure you are using object navigation, not screen review.
 
Make sure you are in object navigation by issuing the command numpad insert numpad 1 until you hear that you are in object navigation.  If you aren't sure, continuing to issue the command will result in you hearing something like no previous mode.  If you are in screen navigation. these navigation commands won't work in the DOS prompt.
 
This is just one more illustration that makes the case for what I've said before.  You should be automatically placed in object navigation when you leave a window where you were using some other mode. 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reviewing the screen, help

Hi Travis Siegel

Could you give step by step how you use cmd to get the results you said.

I use win 7 and have a bit of sight and can see a red focus square around the cmd console window, but when i tried out what you said 7,8,9 it just placed it in the entry area.

If i move the mouse in a normal way i can hear the lines of a for example dir command as i point at them.

Regards Adrian Pocock

On 13/03/2019 02:51, Travis Siegel wrote:

I'm thinking the oroginal post didn't give us enough information. 

When using the command prompt, you should get speech just fine.  I use the command line a lot in windows (both 8.1 on my desktop, and 10 when I'm using my laptop), and in both cases, the command prompt talks just fine for me.

If you want to review data already printed on the screen, numpad 7 8 and 9 will read previous line, next line, and current line, and typing the command with a vertical bar followed by more will page your output one screen at a time if you want to read it page by page.  I did turn off key echo, (NVDA-2 because of the spelling issue, but otherwise, the command prompt works just fine for me, and it should for you as well. 

All the suggestions posted in this thread are useful pieces of information to get things where you can do stuff with them, but if you're just talking about reading the command prompt screen with NVDA, you shouldn't have to do anything at all, it should just work, if this isn't the case, then there's something wrong somewhere, and that's really what should be focused on, instead of other ways to get the info.

On 3/12/2019 5:25 PM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

Hi all

You also could run notepad to read your output from inside cmd, Brian is the one to ask about this.

Regards Adrian

On 08/03/2019 16:33, Gene wrote:
I'm not sure what you are saying.  Try being at the Command Prompt and typing something like dir and pressing enter.  the point is to get information on the screen, it doesn't matter just what you do to get text displayed.
Now, try moving with numpad 7 and numpad 9.  To hear the current line, use numpad 8.  All these commands are just numpad keys by themselves, not in combination with numpad insert or anything else.  Can you move around the screen? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reviewing the screen, help

It used to be easier, seriously?
Since I started using this prompt it kept the very same way. When it was different? Surely I'd rather the old way then :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy
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Em 08/03/2019 10:41, Howard Traxler escreveu:

Thank you Marcio.  It sure does work; Although it's quite a lot of stuff to do when it used to be so easy.



On 3/7/2019 8:18 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,
I also couldn't figure out a way of reading the information presented on the screen.
As a workaround, if you want, you could try what follows:
1. Being on the prompt, press "ALT+Spacebar"
2. Up/down arrow until you find "edit" and press enter
3. Up/down arrow until you find "select all" and press enter.
You've just selected all the content which is on the screen at this point.
4. Press "ALT+Spacebar" again
5. Up/down arrow until "edit"
6. Up/down arrow until "copy".
You've just copied what you selected. Now all that content is on your clipboard.
7. Open Notepad and paste the content there so you can read.

Hth


Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy
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Em 07/03/2019 22:58, Howard Traxler escreveu:
Hi all,


Using NVDA in Windows 10:


When I "run" the cmd command I get the system command prompt. Then I type in a command such as DIR or shutdown followed by slash question mark.  I get a screen full of command line switch options but I can't figure out how to get NVDA to read them to me. Probably one of the review modes, but I just can't figure it out. Can anyone help, please?


Thanks.

Howard








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Re: Reviewing the screen, help

ADRIAN POCOCK
 

Hi Travis Siegel

Could you give step by step how you use cmd to get the results you said.

I use win 7 and have a bit of sight and can see a red focus square around the cmd console window, but when i tried out what you said 7,8,9 it just placed it in the entry area.

If i move the mouse in a normal way i can hear the lines of a for example dir command as i point at them.

Regards Adrian Pocock

On 13/03/2019 02:51, Travis Siegel wrote:

I'm thinking the oroginal post didn't give us enough information. 

When using the command prompt, you should get speech just fine.  I use the command line a lot in windows (both 8.1 on my desktop, and 10 when I'm using my laptop), and in both cases, the command prompt talks just fine for me.

If you want to review data already printed on the screen, numpad 7 8 and 9 will read previous line, next line, and current line, and typing the command with a vertical bar followed by more will page your output one screen at a time if you want to read it page by page.  I did turn off key echo, (NVDA-2 because of the spelling issue, but otherwise, the command prompt works just fine for me, and it should for you as well. 

All the suggestions posted in this thread are useful pieces of information to get things where you can do stuff with them, but if you're just talking about reading the command prompt screen with NVDA, you shouldn't have to do anything at all, it should just work, if this isn't the case, then there's something wrong somewhere, and that's really what should be focused on, instead of other ways to get the info.

On 3/12/2019 5:25 PM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

Hi all

You also could run notepad to read your output from inside cmd, Brian is the one to ask about this.

Regards Adrian

On 08/03/2019 16:33, Gene wrote:
I'm not sure what you are saying.  Try being at the Command Prompt and typing something like dir and pressing enter.  the point is to get information on the screen, it doesn't matter just what you do to get text displayed.
Now, try moving with numpad 7 and numpad 9.  To hear the current line, use numpad 8.  All these commands are just numpad keys by themselves, not in combination with numpad insert or anything else.  Can you move around the screen? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reviewing the screen, help

It used to be easier, seriously?
Since I started using this prompt it kept the very same way. When it was different? Surely I'd rather the old way then :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy
Follow or add me on Facebook

Em 08/03/2019 10:41, Howard Traxler escreveu:

Thank you Marcio.  It sure does work; Although it's quite a lot of stuff to do when it used to be so easy.



On 3/7/2019 8:18 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,
I also couldn't figure out a way of reading the information presented on the screen.
As a workaround, if you want, you could try what follows:
1. Being on the prompt, press "ALT+Spacebar"
2. Up/down arrow until you find "edit" and press enter
3. Up/down arrow until you find "select all" and press enter.
You've just selected all the content which is on the screen at this point.
4. Press "ALT+Spacebar" again
5. Up/down arrow until "edit"
6. Up/down arrow until "copy".
You've just copied what you selected. Now all that content is on your clipboard.
7. Open Notepad and paste the content there so you can read.

Hth


Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy
Follow or add me on Facebook

Em 07/03/2019 22:58, Howard Traxler escreveu:
Hi all,


Using NVDA in Windows 10:


When I "run" the cmd command I get the system command prompt. Then I type in a command such as DIR or shutdown followed by slash question mark.  I get a screen full of command line switch options but I can't figure out how to get NVDA to read them to me. Probably one of the review modes, but I just can't figure it out. Can anyone help, please?


Thanks.

Howard








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Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Gene
 

I'm sure if the program weren't running, you wouldn't get such notifications.  But some people want the program to be constantly running and for those people this would be a problem.  And even if you have the program run at boot up, you can close it in the system tray.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Would simply disabling it from Startup stop these invisible Dropbox windows from popping up?, or would the notifications also need to be turned off?

Annette

On 3/12/2019 8:17 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

it certainly is, and until you turn off drop box, though you might like to know if a friend or colleague sends you stuff or gets stuff, you have to put up with this s**t.

On 3/11/2019 12:52 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Its annoying as hell.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 3:50:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups
 

That is correct – it’s not a notification. It is a box that comes up over and over though.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of George McCoy
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

For me, this is not a notification.  It looks exactly like the screen that comes up when I click the dropbox button in the system tray/user notifications area of windows 10.

 

George

On 3/11/2019 11:11 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

Good Morning:  I read this information a little late.  However, I check notifications, which are in settings and the notification for Drop Box is uncheck.

Dave

 

On 2/25/2019 5:10 AM, Gene wrote:

Has anyone looked through options in Dropbox to see if anything is available about not showing notifications or messages?  These are, presumably, shown in the system tray.  I almost never use DropBox, though I have it, and I usually don't have it running.  I don't know if I have the latest version.  But the first thing I would do is look through the options to see if anything is available.  I may check later today but it might be better if someone checks who uses it regularly, and knows they have the problem version.  Presumably, I either do or it would update if I leave it on.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 3:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

The whole thrust of it for us is that you can hear when new updates come in.
To try to schedule everything at the studio will cause our non tech folk a
problem
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Is there any reason to have it running constantly?  You can exit it and only
run it when you want to use it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Scholes
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:32 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Hi all,

I'm running Dropbox v68.3.92.  Approximately every half an hour or so,
NVDA's focus is being moved to a Dropbox window which only seems to
contain a single, blank edit field.  The window doesn't seem to stay on
the screen, but focus isn't returned to where it was previously after it
disappears.  In fact, NVDA reports it as taking up a rectangle of 0
pixels, so I don't know if anything shows up visually on the screen at all.

As you can imagine, having to dismiss these boxes several times per day
is irritating.  Does anybody have a work-around?

Regards,

James Scholes
https://twitter.com/JamesScholes







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W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

Re: Reviewing the screen, help

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

I'm thinking the oroginal post didn't give us enough information. 

When using the command prompt, you should get speech just fine.  I use the command line a lot in windows (both 8.1 on my desktop, and 10 when I'm using my laptop), and in both cases, the command prompt talks just fine for me.

If you want to review data already printed on the screen, numpad 7 8 and 9 will read previous line, next line, and current line, and typing the command with a vertical bar followed by more will page your output one screen at a time if you want to read it page by page.  I did turn off key echo, (NVDA-2 because of the spelling issue, but otherwise, the command prompt works just fine for me, and it should for you as well. 

All the suggestions posted in this thread are useful pieces of information to get things where you can do stuff with them, but if you're just talking about reading the command prompt screen with NVDA, you shouldn't have to do anything at all, it should just work, if this isn't the case, then there's something wrong somewhere, and that's really what should be focused on, instead of other ways to get the info.

On 3/12/2019 5:25 PM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

Hi all

You also could run notepad to read your output from inside cmd, Brian is the one to ask about this.

Regards Adrian

On 08/03/2019 16:33, Gene wrote:
I'm not sure what you are saying.  Try being at the Command Prompt and typing something like dir and pressing enter.  the point is to get information on the screen, it doesn't matter just what you do to get text displayed.
Now, try moving with numpad 7 and numpad 9.  To hear the current line, use numpad 8.  All these commands are just numpad keys by themselves, not in combination with numpad insert or anything else.  Can you move around the screen? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reviewing the screen, help

It used to be easier, seriously?
Since I started using this prompt it kept the very same way. When it was different? Surely I'd rather the old way then :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy
Follow or add me on Facebook

Em 08/03/2019 10:41, Howard Traxler escreveu:

Thank you Marcio.  It sure does work; Although it's quite a lot of stuff to do when it used to be so easy.



On 3/7/2019 8:18 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,
I also couldn't figure out a way of reading the information presented on the screen.
As a workaround, if you want, you could try what follows:
1. Being on the prompt, press "ALT+Spacebar"
2. Up/down arrow until you find "edit" and press enter
3. Up/down arrow until you find "select all" and press enter.
You've just selected all the content which is on the screen at this point.
4. Press "ALT+Spacebar" again
5. Up/down arrow until "edit"
6. Up/down arrow until "copy".
You've just copied what you selected. Now all that content is on your clipboard.
7. Open Notepad and paste the content there so you can read.

Hth


Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy
Follow or add me on Facebook

Em 07/03/2019 22:58, Howard Traxler escreveu:
Hi all,


Using NVDA in Windows 10:


When I "run" the cmd command I get the system command prompt. Then I type in a command such as DIR or shutdown followed by slash question mark.  I get a screen full of command line switch options but I can't figure out how to get NVDA to read them to me. Probably one of the review modes, but I just can't figure it out. Can anyone help, please?


Thanks.

Howard








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Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Annette Moore
 

Would simply disabling it from Startup stop these invisible Dropbox windows from popping up?, or would the notifications also need to be turned off?

Annette

On 3/12/2019 8:17 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

it certainly is, and until you turn off drop box, though you might like to know if a friend or colleague sends you stuff or gets stuff, you have to put up with this s**t.

On 3/11/2019 12:52 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Its annoying as hell.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 3:50:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups
 

That is correct – it’s not a notification. It is a box that comes up over and over though.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of George McCoy
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

For me, this is not a notification.  It looks exactly like the screen that comes up when I click the dropbox button in the system tray/user notifications area of windows 10.

 

George

On 3/11/2019 11:11 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

Good Morning:  I read this information a little late.  However, I check notifications, which are in settings and the notification for Drop Box is uncheck.

Dave

 

On 2/25/2019 5:10 AM, Gene wrote:

Has anyone looked through options in Dropbox to see if anything is available about not showing notifications or messages?  These are, presumably, shown in the system tray.  I almost never use DropBox, though I have it, and I usually don't have it running.  I don't know if I have the latest version.  But the first thing I would do is look through the options to see if anything is available.  I may check later today but it might be better if someone checks who uses it regularly, and knows they have the problem version.  Presumably, I either do or it would update if I leave it on.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 3:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

The whole thrust of it for us is that you can hear when new updates come in.
To try to schedule everything at the studio will cause our non tech folk a
problem
 Brian

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Please address personal E-mail to:-
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Is there any reason to have it running constantly?  You can exit it and only
run it when you want to use it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Scholes
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:32 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Hi all,

I'm running Dropbox v68.3.92.  Approximately every half an hour or so,
NVDA's focus is being moved to a Dropbox window which only seems to
contain a single, blank edit field.  The window doesn't seem to stay on
the screen, but focus isn't returned to where it was previously after it
disappears.  In fact, NVDA reports it as taking up a rectangle of 0
pixels, so I don't know if anything shows up visually on the screen at all.

As you can imagine, having to dismiss these boxes several times per day
is irritating.  Does anybody have a work-around?

Regards,

James Scholes
https://twitter.com/JamesScholes







-- 


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HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

nvda is not working with java control panel

ADRIAN POCOCK
 

Hi all

When I am in Java control panel nvda just says unknown and that's it.

Windows 7 OS.

Regards Adrian Pocock

Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Lino Morales
 

I wish I had a contact person at DB to deal with this. If this doesn’t get resolved I’ll have to resort to using One EDrive only

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Curtis Delzer <curtis@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 9:17:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups
 

it certainly is, and until you turn off drop box, though you might like to know if a friend or colleague sends you stuff or gets stuff, you have to put up with this s**t.

On 3/11/2019 12:52 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Its annoying as hell.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 3:50:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups
 

That is correct – it’s not a notification. It is a box that comes up over and over though.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of George McCoy
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

For me, this is not a notification.  It looks exactly like the screen that comes up when I click the dropbox button in the system tray/user notifications area of windows 10.

 

George

On 3/11/2019 11:11 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

Good Morning:  I read this information a little late.  However, I check notifications, which are in settings and the notification for Drop Box is uncheck.

Dave

 

On 2/25/2019 5:10 AM, Gene wrote:

Has anyone looked through options in Dropbox to see if anything is available about not showing notifications or messages?  These are, presumably, shown in the system tray.  I almost never use DropBox, though I have it, and I usually don't have it running.  I don't know if I have the latest version.  But the first thing I would do is look through the options to see if anything is available.  I may check later today but it might be better if someone checks who uses it regularly, and knows they have the problem version.  Presumably, I either do or it would update if I leave it on.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 3:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

The whole thrust of it for us is that you can hear when new updates come in.
To try to schedule everything at the studio will cause our non tech folk a
problem
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Is there any reason to have it running constantly?  You can exit it and only
run it when you want to use it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Scholes
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:32 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Hi all,

I'm running Dropbox v68.3.92.  Approximately every half an hour or so,
NVDA's focus is being moved to a Dropbox window which only seems to
contain a single, blank edit field.  The window doesn't seem to stay on
the screen, but focus isn't returned to where it was previously after it
disappears.  In fact, NVDA reports it as taking up a rectangle of 0
pixels, so I don't know if anything shows up visually on the screen at all.

As you can imagine, having to dismiss these boxes several times per day
is irritating.  Does anybody have a work-around?

Regards,

James Scholes
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Re: NVDA questions

ADRIAN POCOCK
 

Hi anyone who picks this up, Teri McElroy escreveu: wanted some info.

Here it is.

I have installed a portable version of nvda with Nuance Vocalizer expressive 1.1.1.

Then removed the thumb drive.

Created a new windows user without nvda installed.

Put the thumb drive back and started nvda from it,the synthesiser works and any add-ons etc.

Hope this answers your question further.

Regards Adrian Pocock

On 10/03/2019 11:14, adrian wrote:
Teri McElroy escreveu:

Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Curtis Delzer
 

it certainly is, and until you turn off drop box, though you might like to know if a friend or colleague sends you stuff or gets stuff, you have to put up with this s**t.

On 3/11/2019 12:52 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Its annoying as hell.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 3:50:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups
 

That is correct – it’s not a notification. It is a box that comes up over and over though.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of George McCoy
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

For me, this is not a notification.  It looks exactly like the screen that comes up when I click the dropbox button in the system tray/user notifications area of windows 10.

 

George

On 3/11/2019 11:11 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

Good Morning:  I read this information a little late.  However, I check notifications, which are in settings and the notification for Drop Box is uncheck.

Dave

 

On 2/25/2019 5:10 AM, Gene wrote:

Has anyone looked through options in Dropbox to see if anything is available about not showing notifications or messages?  These are, presumably, shown in the system tray.  I almost never use DropBox, though I have it, and I usually don't have it running.  I don't know if I have the latest version.  But the first thing I would do is look through the options to see if anything is available.  I may check later today but it might be better if someone checks who uses it regularly, and knows they have the problem version.  Presumably, I either do or it would update if I leave it on.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 3:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

The whole thrust of it for us is that you can hear when new updates come in.
To try to schedule everything at the studio will cause our non tech folk a
problem
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Is there any reason to have it running constantly?  You can exit it and only
run it when you want to use it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Scholes
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:32 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Hi all,

I'm running Dropbox v68.3.92.  Approximately every half an hour or so,
NVDA's focus is being moved to a Dropbox window which only seems to
contain a single, blank edit field.  The window doesn't seem to stay on
the screen, but focus isn't returned to where it was previously after it
disappears.  In fact, NVDA reports it as taking up a rectangle of 0
pixels, so I don't know if anything shows up visually on the screen at all.

As you can imagine, having to dismiss these boxes several times per day
is irritating.  Does anybody have a work-around?

Regards,

James Scholes
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Re: Finally, got an alt tab breaking log, I think

Jackie
 

That's where I saw it.

On 3/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
I didn't see it in the add on updater, and I was not even aware there
was an update. I'll try that and see. I guess I go to the add ons page
and look to see if ther was an update to the themes add on?

On 12 Mar 2019, at 15:03, Jackie wrote:

Sarah, have you updated this addon recently? If not, that may be the
key to fixing this problem. It seems as though the log is flagging a
coding error/incompatibility, which I'm pretty sure will be fixed by
the addon's 3/24 update. Perhaps try that prior to disabling it. Then
you can have your addon & use it too, as it were :).

Please let us know how it goes. & if NVDA is acting squirrelly, this
might be something for other folks to check as well.

On 3/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
Sure. I can try that. I can't remember of when I first started
noticing
the issue if the alt tab thing was happening or not but I can try
that
over the next few days.

Take care

On 12 Mar 2019, at 13:22, Jackie wrote:

Looks like it's a fault in the audio themes addon. Are you running
that, Sarah? If so, could you please try disabling it to see if the
problem continues?

On 3/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
did, every time I dl from 1drive I don't need to. Bu for thsoe
that
don't want 1drive try this link

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gzeohygmhepchrv/alt%20tab%20nvda%20log.rtf?dl=1

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That link wants a log in, you should use dropbox its less
annoying.
Brian

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To: "Nvda List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 5:56 PM
Subject: [nvda] Finally, got an alt tab braking log, I think


Well, alt tab broke so got the log right when it happened and
restarted
nvda . I was trying to write this on windows but thunder bird
lagged
so badly I could not write the email.

Anyway here is a link to the log file.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AOtt0hSM2KdVjyQ

I hope that helps someone. It happened at about 9 something pdt
this
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Re: Finally, got an alt tab breaking log, I think

Sarah k Alawami
 

I didn't see it in the add on updater, and I was not even aware there was an update. I'll try that and see. I guess I go to the add ons page and look to see if ther was an update to the themes add on?

On 12 Mar 2019, at 15:03, Jackie wrote:

Sarah, have you updated this addon recently? If not, that may be the
key to fixing this problem. It seems as though the log is flagging a
coding error/incompatibility, which I'm pretty sure will be fixed by
the addon's 3/24 update. Perhaps try that prior to disabling it. Then
you can have your addon & use it too, as it were :).

Please let us know how it goes. & if NVDA is acting squirrelly, this
might be something for other folks to check as well.

On 3/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Sure. I can try that. I can't remember of when I first started noticing
the issue if the alt tab thing was happening or not but I can try that
over the next few days.

Take care

On 12 Mar 2019, at 13:22, Jackie wrote:

Looks like it's a fault in the audio themes addon. Are you running
that, Sarah? If so, could you please try disabling it to see if the
problem continues?

On 3/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

did, every time I dl from 1drive I don't need to. Bu for thsoe that
don't want 1drive try this link

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gzeohygmhepchrv/alt%20tab%20nvda%20log.rtf?dl=1

On 12 Mar 2019, at 11:18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
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That link wants a log in, you should use dropbox its less annoying.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah k Alawami"
<marrie12@...>
To: "Nvda List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 5:56 PM
Subject: [nvda] Finally, got an alt tab braking log, I think

Well, alt tab broke so got the log right when it happened and
restarted
nvda . I was trying to write this on windows but thunder bird
lagged
so badly I could not write the email.

Anyway here is a link to the log file.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AOtt0hSM2KdVjyQ

I hope that helps someone. It happened at about 9 something pdt
this
morning.



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Re: Reviewing the screen, help

 

Notepad can definitely be invoked from within Command Prompt.   The following, if pasted in to a Command Prompt session, will create a file called ManPages.txt that includes the manual pages for dir, reg add, and reg delete commands, then open it in notepad.

dir /? > ManPages.txt
reg add /? >> ManPages.txt
reg delete /? >> ManPages.txt
notepad ManPages.txt

If you wanted the file nukes after having looked at it then just add the line:

del ManPages.txt

after the line that invokes notepad to open the file for review.   The above is pretty much what I've been proposing all along, and is the most commonly used method for gathering the output from a sequence of commands for later analysis.   If one wanted to capture STDERR (standard error) in addition to STDOUT (standard output) so that error output would be preserved, too, then that would be:

dir /? >  ManPages.txt  2>&1
reg add /? >> ManPages.txt  2>&1
reg delete /? >> ManPages.txt  2>&1
notepad ManPages.txt

And with this post, I'll ask that if anyone wishes to continue to discuss Windows Command Prompt scripting that we take that to Chat, as most of what we've been discussing has nothing at all to do with NVDA.  We've taken a deep dive elsewhere.  I'll keep an eye out to see if someone starts such a topic and join in, if needed.

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Re: Finally, got an alt tab breaking log, I think

Jackie
 

Sarah, have you updated this addon recently? If not, that may be the
key to fixing this problem. It seems as though the log is flagging a
coding error/incompatibility, which I'm pretty sure will be fixed by
the addon's 3/24 update. Perhaps try that prior to disabling it. Then
you can have your addon & use it too, as it were :).

Please let us know how it goes. & if NVDA is acting squirrelly, this
might be something for other folks to check as well.

On 3/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
Sure. I can try that. I can't remember of when I first started noticing
the issue if the alt tab thing was happening or not but I can try that
over the next few days.

Take care

On 12 Mar 2019, at 13:22, Jackie wrote:

Looks like it's a fault in the audio themes addon. Are you running
that, Sarah? If so, could you please try disabling it to see if the
problem continues?

On 3/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
did, every time I dl from 1drive I don't need to. Bu for thsoe that
don't want 1drive try this link

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gzeohygmhepchrv/alt%20tab%20nvda%20log.rtf?dl=1

On 12 Mar 2019, at 11:18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
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That link wants a log in, you should use dropbox its less annoying.
Brian

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To: "Nvda List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 5:56 PM
Subject: [nvda] Finally, got an alt tab braking log, I think


Well, alt tab broke so got the log right when it happened and
restarted
nvda . I was trying to write this on windows but thunder bird
lagged
so badly I could not write the email.

Anyway here is a link to the log file.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AOtt0hSM2KdVjyQ

I hope that helps someone. It happened at about 9 something pdt
this
morning.







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