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Re: reading console output by word

Tyler Spivey
 

Turn off character and word echo. If you have them on, NVDA spells console output sometimes.
Alternatively, review manually.

On 3/27/2019 3:52 AM, John wrote:
I'd like to start programming a console application that receives and outputs text. I wrote a little "hello world" test. the console window opens but nvda reads the text by character instead of by word. what can I do about this?

reading console output by word

John
 

I'd like to start programming a console application that receives and outputs text. I wrote a little "hello world" test. the console window opens but nvda reads the text by character instead of by word. what can I do about this?

tabs on web page

Don H
 

I have a web site that I am accessing using Google Chrome on a Win 10 1809 system.  I am using NVDA 2019.1.

The web page has a series of tabs in the middle of the page for showing the description, specs, faqs and reviews.  How do I open one of these tabs?  Hitting enter or space bar  on them does nothing.

Re: PDF: Quick links are interrupting the flow of text

m.ramesh@...
 

HI Quentin,

Yes I agree but that is a requirement from my client to include navigation buttons.
These buttons are at the top right corner in all the pages, and they are read inconsistently. In one page the buttons are suddenly read after the first paragraph, and in one page they are read after the second paragraph.

Is there any way to make NVDA read these buttons as the last or first field in a page.

Regards
Ramesh

Re: Translating NVDA into Te Reo Māori option

Mallard
 

It's a beautiful language... Very intriguing.


I'm a linguist, and any language that is different from the usual ones intrigues me.


If it were my decision, I'd definitely say "Go for it"! But I realise there's going to be a lot of hard work involved; time and effort... So I can't say anything, but I hope it'll be done in the end.


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 27/03/2019 12:55, Rui Fontes ha scritto:
Yes, it is named "Māori"...
I do not have any idea about quality...

However, having a synth, it is interessant to have a NVDA translation...

Rui Fontes


Às 11:39 de 27/03/2019, Mohamed escreveu:
I think ESpeak has support for the language, not sure if it's any good, though.

On 3/26/2019 3:35 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi Brian


The language pack for Windows does the language but does not have a text to speech voice. I just checked for that.


he did also mention that the HAL screen reader had a synth in it for there language but not sure from how long ago it was and if it was a hardware synth/voice or a software synth/voice. he is going to do some digging to see if he can track it down and or if it can be used if still around and not copyrighted unless it is by Hal.

I also said if it used sapi 4 or 5 voices etc and could be installed into windows it would be able to be used by other screen readers as well depending how they go about it.


He will either look into funding as well say either for a synth to be made for there language or translating the interface into there language. Or he might do the translating him self as he writes and speakes it as well.

it might be some thing the government might fund so it can be done? We will see what happens.


The other thing i did as well  is pointed him towards the e speak website and gave him directions etc of if he wants to have a go at making a e speak voice for there language and how to test it etc. I also pointed him towards the tweaky voice that he could print out or have it read and as you know it points towards the website i am guessing the project is still running as i see updates in nvda for it.

It has given him some food for thought to get started and see where it goes.



Yes it is for New Zealand and is a official language next to english here hince Gene nz been for the country.


Gene from New Zealand


On 26/03/2019 9:32 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Also of course all the prompts in the screenreader and  often add ons would need to be translated as well.
I think as has been said, it might not be worth it if no synth supports it. I'm guessing this is New Zealand then or one of the small  island clusters in that area?

Does Windows support it?
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Hi


I would have to ask him. I know there used to be a synth for there language maybe he would know. Is it better for him to have a synth for there language instead of translating the user manual etc into there language? It is new to me and probably him as well.

Even the steps he would have to take.


I did find the wicki page on translating and sent that back to him while i find out more information from both sides.


They might even be able to get funding to cover translating nvda and or the synth. I will know more when he gets back to me.



Gene nz


On 26/03/2019 1:03 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
And it worth the effort do not having a mahori synth?

Rui Fontes


Às 23:39 de 25/03/2019, hurrikennyandopo ... escreveu:
hi guys


I know there are translators on this list and i have been asked about having a Te Reo Māori option  in NVDA.



I only speak English but i have been contacted by a person who speaks the above language  and can translate it into there language.


I am wondering how much is involved? I am guessing the whole user manual would have to be translated along with maybe quick reference and whats new?


What program would they have to use? Is there a easy way to do it? How would i start and also we would be new to try and do this for NVDA.


The above language is recognized in our country along side of english and sign language.


We are not programmers so it would be a matter of starting from scratch doing this.


I just hope it does not scare us off translating it into there language.


I am wondering also  if it was just the user manual etc or the synth? as well. They might be able to get funding to do this?


any help would be great.


Gene nz


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Re: A Good podcast client for windows 10?

Matt Turner
 

I always have trouble with the slider, where you can rewind/ move.

It gets stuck at times, and sometimes It reports the wrong time.

On 3/27/2019 4:55 AM, Ian Westerland wrote:


I also use QCast.  Well worth the money I paid and it is simple to use.

ian Westerland






On 3/27/2019 7:50 PM, David Moore wrote:
Hi!

qCast is a really good pod catcher!

It only costs a few dollars, but is so worth it.

All you have to do is type in a search term, and it will bring up a huge list of podcasts to choose from.

I just love it.

I also use the accessible pod cast from Web IE as well.

David Moore

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On 26/03/2019 23:49, Matt Turner wrote:

    Hi folks.

    Anyone have any good ideas?

    I don't want to use Itunes for podcast.



Hi,

I use Sharp Reader.

There are hot keys:-

F6 - Flag, folder title

F7 - Shows titles within a feed

F8 - allows you to see links including URL - Press Jaws key (NPD0) and tab moves straight to the URL link

Press context menu; you can sort by name, etc.

The other one I use is Accessible Podcaster from Web IE.

Re: Question about reading an entire line with NVDA

 

Yep Quentin, about this command I already knew for a while now :)
Quite useful if you are reading a long text or even a book and you have the time to read the said one without being interrupted for some reason.
Thanks for your support. You guys are the best and as I'm used to say, NVDA rocks all the way! :)

Cheers,
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Em 27/03/2019 08:16, Quentin Christensen disse:

No thank you :)  It's good to get the background.  Of course the other command you can use if you just want to hear everything in the whole document is to press NVDA+down arrow or in laptop keyboard layout NVDA+a, which reads all from the current point onward.  (So to read from the top, press control+home to move to the top then NVDA+down arrow / NVDA+a).

You likely already knew that, but I don't like to assume, just in case :)

Quentin.

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 10:03 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Quentin,
Actually, the story is like that:
Quite a while ago I noticed that somehow, sometimes my keyboard could press some unknown (at least until yesterday) key and then NVDA would read an entire line (or paragraph, like it seems to be called) without actually breaking it.
You know, when a line is bigger than NVDA can handle at once, then that thing of having to press down arrow to keep reading.
Always wondered which key would be this one that would give me heaven and hell at the same time since sometimes this was a really wanted behavior so that I could read something faster and on another ones I just wanted NVDA (or my keyboard) to leave me alone without forcing me to read an entire line (paragraph) at once.
As yesterday I had more than enough free time to test it I kept pressing key by key plus the down arrow to find out which combination would give me the forementioned behavior.
So, this is the whole story for when and how I found it out.
Then I was just curious because after finding this combo I looked through all the places I could think of to see if I could find the description of this command, but of course I didn't find anything since it isn't an NVDA- specific thing.
I haven't tried it on Notepad thus far though, so there's another thing I never knew - that it couldn't be used there.
Well that's it :)
I know this is way way longer than I'm used to write but since you wanted to hear a bit more from this funny story I just took the liberty of letting my fingers type all of this.

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Em 27/03/2019 07:38, Quentin Christensen disse:
That's ok Marcio,

Though I am still curious which lines you couldn't read fully with one command before you found this keystroke?

Quentin.

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 9:23 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Quentin,
Actually, I'm not having any problem. I just found this option (read by paragraph) and never knew it was a Windows one.
Sorry for causing worries unnecessarily. I was just curious :)

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Em 26/03/2019 21:12, Quentin Christensen disse:
As noted, CONTROL+DOWN ARROW is a Windows command, and in most places it moves down by one paragraph.  Additionally, as you move, NVDA reads a corresponding amount of text - if you move by one word (control+right arrow, also a Windows command), NVDA reads one word, if you move down by one line, NVDA reads one line, etc.

My question to Marcio is to ask what program / kind of file are you reading where you are having trouble reading by line to begin with?  Pressing NVDA+up arrow (or in laptop layout, NVDA+l) should read the current line.  On web pages, it's harder to find out exactly what text is visually on one line, so NVDA sets the maximum line length, and if a block of text is longer than that, it assumes each N characters is a new "line".  You can find the option in NVDA's browse mode settings - NVDA+control+b will get you there directly.

There is also an option in Browse mode settings "Use screen layout (when supported)".  I've just copied from the user guide here:

"Use screen layout
Key: NVDA+v

This option allows you to specify whether content in browse mode should place content such as links and other fields on their own line, or if it should keep them in the flow of text as it is visually shown. If the option is enabled then things will stay as they are visually shown, but if it is disabled then fields will be placed on their own line."

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 3:16 AM Dang Manh Cuong <dangmanhcuong@...> wrote:
Hi Marcio
That were keystrokes from Windows, not from NVDA, so I thikn it doesn not explained in NVDA user guide or key command. It should be found in matireals about basic computer skill.
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It helped a lot!
Now, is that described on the keystrokes' reference? I couldn't find it no matter where I could look for.
Thanks :)

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Em 26/03/2019 05:28, Dang Manh Cuong disse:

Hi Marcio
Ctrl+down arrow is to move the focus to the next paragraph, and Ctrl+up arrow will move to previous paragraph. When focus move to new line, NVDA always read that line/
Hope that help
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Subject: [nvda] Question about reading an entire line with NVDA

Hey guys, I'm here again :)
This time the question is about... well you saw it on the subject I suppose :)
So, the thing is: I found out that pressing CTRL along with the down arrow, NVDA will read the entire line from a text, regardless if that line is broken for some reason.
However, while I just found it out, I also found out that apparently, this  option isn't described on the NVDA's keystrokes refference.
So my question: is it actually something expected, that pressing CTRL+down arrow NVDA will read the entire line? If so, why isn't it described as an option?
Or, well, what would I be missing? Can anyone point me on the right direction? :)

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Re: Translating NVDA into Te Reo Māori option

Rui Fontes
 

Yes, it is named "Māori"...
I do not have any idea about quality...

However, having a synth, it is interessant to have a NVDA translation...

Rui Fontes


Às 11:39 de 27/03/2019, Mohamed escreveu:

I think ESpeak has support for the language, not sure if it's any good, though.
On 3/26/2019 3:35 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi Brian


The language pack for Windows does the language but does not have a text to speech voice. I just checked for that.


he did also mention that the HAL screen reader had a synth in it for there language but not sure from how long ago it was and if it was a hardware synth/voice or a software synth/voice. he is going to do some digging to see if he can track it down and or if it can be used if still around and not copyrighted unless it is by Hal.

I also said if it used sapi 4 or 5 voices etc and could be installed into windows it would be able to be used by other screen readers as well depending how they go about it.


He will either look into funding as well say either for a synth to be made for there language or translating the interface into there language. Or he might do the translating him self as he writes and speakes it as well.

it might be some thing the government might fund so it can be done? We will see what happens.


The other thing i did as well  is pointed him towards the e speak website and gave him directions etc of if he wants to have a go at making a e speak voice for there language and how to test it etc. I also pointed him towards the tweaky voice that he could print out or have it read and as you know it points towards the website i am guessing the project is still running as i see updates in nvda for it.

It has given him some food for thought to get started and see where it goes.



Yes it is for New Zealand and is a official language next to english here hince Gene nz been for the country.


Gene from New Zealand


On 26/03/2019 9:32 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Also of course all the prompts in the  screenreader and  often add ons would need to be translated as well.
I think as has been said, it might not be worth it if no synth supports it. I'm guessing this is New Zealand then or one of the small  island clusters in that area?

Does Windows support it?
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Hi


I would have to ask him. I know there used to be a synth for there language maybe he would know. Is it better for him to have a synth for there language instead of translating the user manual etc into there language? It is new to me and probably him as well.

Even the steps he would have to take.


I did find the wicki page on translating and sent that back to him while i find out more information from both sides.


They might even be able to get funding to cover translating nvda and or the synth. I will know more when he gets back to me.



Gene nz


On 26/03/2019 1:03 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
And it worth the effort do not having a mahori synth?

Rui Fontes


Às 23:39 de 25/03/2019, hurrikennyandopo ... escreveu:
hi guys


I know there are translators on this list and i have been asked about having a Te Reo Māori option  in NVDA.



I only speak English but i have been contacted by a person who speaks the above language  and can translate it into there language.


I am wondering how much is involved? I am guessing the whole user manual would have to be translated along with maybe quick reference and whats new?


What program would they have to use? Is there a easy way to do it? How would i start and also we would be new to try and do this for NVDA.


The above language is recognized in our country along side of english and sign language.


We are not programmers so it would be a matter of starting from scratch doing this.


I just hope it does not scare us off translating it into there language.


I am wondering also  if it was just the user manual etc or the synth? as well. They might be able to get funding to do this?


any help would be great.


Gene nz


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Re: PDF: Quick links are interrupting the flow of text

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On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 06:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Quentin

 

Re: Translating NVDA into Te Reo Māori option

Mohamed
 

I think ESpeak has support for the language, not sure if it's any good, though.

On 3/26/2019 3:35 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi Brian


The language pack for Windows does the language but does not have a text to speech voice. I just checked for that.


he did also mention that the HAL screen reader had a synth in it for there language but not sure from how long ago it was and if it was a hardware synth/voice or a software synth/voice. he is going to do some digging to see if he can track it down and or if it can be used if still around and not copyrighted unless it is by Hal.

I also said if it used sapi 4 or 5 voices etc and could be installed into windows it would be able to be used by other screen readers as well depending how they go about it.


He will either look into funding as well say either for a synth to be made for there language or translating the interface into there language. Or he might do the translating him self as he writes and speakes it as well.

it might be some thing the government might fund so it can be done? We will see what happens.


The other thing i did as well  is pointed him towards the e speak website and gave him directions etc of if he wants to have a go at making a e speak voice for there language and how to test it etc. I also pointed him towards the tweaky voice that he could print out or have it read and as you know it points towards the website i am guessing the project is still running as i see updates in nvda for it.

It has given him some food for thought to get started and see where it goes.



Yes it is for New Zealand and is a official language next to english here hince Gene nz been for the country.


Gene from New Zealand


On 26/03/2019 9:32 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Also of course all the prompts in the  screenreader and  often add ons would need to be translated as well.
I think as has been said, it might not be worth it if no synth supports it. I'm guessing this is New Zealand then or one of the small  island clusters in that area?

Does Windows support it?
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Hi


I would have to ask him. I know there used to be a synth for there language maybe he would know. Is it better for him to have a synth for there language instead of translating the user manual etc into there language? It is new to me and probably him as well.

Even the steps he would have to take.


I did find the wicki page on translating and sent that back to him while i find out more information from both sides.


They might even be able to get funding to cover translating nvda and or the synth. I will know more when he gets back to me.



Gene nz


On 26/03/2019 1:03 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
And it worth the effort do not having a mahori synth?

Rui Fontes


Às 23:39 de 25/03/2019, hurrikennyandopo ... escreveu:
hi guys


I know there are translators on this list and i have been asked about having a Te Reo Māori option  in NVDA.



I only speak English but i have been contacted by a person who speaks the above language  and can translate it into there language.


I am wondering how much is involved? I am guessing the whole user manual would have to be translated along with maybe quick reference and whats new?


What program would they have to use? Is there a easy way to do it? How would i start and also we would be new to try and do this for NVDA.


The above language is recognized in our country along side of english and sign language.


We are not programmers so it would be a matter of starting from scratch doing this.


I just hope it does not scare us off translating it into there language.


I am wondering also  if it was just the user manual etc or the synth? as well. They might be able to get funding to do this?


any help would be great.


Gene nz


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Re: Question about reading an entire line with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

No thank you :)  It's good to get the background.  Of course the other command you can use if you just want to hear everything in the whole document is to press NVDA+down arrow or in laptop keyboard layout NVDA+a, which reads all from the current point onward.  (So to read from the top, press control+home to move to the top then NVDA+down arrow / NVDA+a).

You likely already knew that, but I don't like to assume, just in case :)

Quentin.

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 10:03 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Quentin,
Actually, the story is like that:
Quite a while ago I noticed that somehow, sometimes my keyboard could press some unknown (at least until yesterday) key and then NVDA would read an entire line (or paragraph, like it seems to be called) without actually breaking it.
You know, when a line is bigger than NVDA can handle at once, then that thing of having to press down arrow to keep reading.
Always wondered which key would be this one that would give me heaven and hell at the same time since sometimes this was a really wanted behavior so that I could read something faster and on another ones I just wanted NVDA (or my keyboard) to leave me alone without forcing me to read an entire line (paragraph) at once.
As yesterday I had more than enough free time to test it I kept pressing key by key plus the down arrow to find out which combination would give me the forementioned behavior.
So, this is the whole story for when and how I found it out.
Then I was just curious because after finding this combo I looked through all the places I could think of to see if I could find the description of this command, but of course I didn't find anything since it isn't an NVDA- specific thing.
I haven't tried it on Notepad thus far though, so there's another thing I never knew - that it couldn't be used there.
Well that's it :)
I know this is way way longer than I'm used to write but since you wanted to hear a bit more from this funny story I just took the liberty of letting my fingers type all of this.

Cheers,
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Em 27/03/2019 07:38, Quentin Christensen disse:
That's ok Marcio,

Though I am still curious which lines you couldn't read fully with one command before you found this keystroke?

Quentin.

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 9:23 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Quentin,
Actually, I'm not having any problem. I just found this option (read by paragraph) and never knew it was a Windows one.
Sorry for causing worries unnecessarily. I was just curious :)

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Em 26/03/2019 21:12, Quentin Christensen disse:
As noted, CONTROL+DOWN ARROW is a Windows command, and in most places it moves down by one paragraph.  Additionally, as you move, NVDA reads a corresponding amount of text - if you move by one word (control+right arrow, also a Windows command), NVDA reads one word, if you move down by one line, NVDA reads one line, etc.

My question to Marcio is to ask what program / kind of file are you reading where you are having trouble reading by line to begin with?  Pressing NVDA+up arrow (or in laptop layout, NVDA+l) should read the current line.  On web pages, it's harder to find out exactly what text is visually on one line, so NVDA sets the maximum line length, and if a block of text is longer than that, it assumes each N characters is a new "line".  You can find the option in NVDA's browse mode settings - NVDA+control+b will get you there directly.

There is also an option in Browse mode settings "Use screen layout (when supported)".  I've just copied from the user guide here:

"Use screen layout
Key: NVDA+v

This option allows you to specify whether content in browse mode should place content such as links and other fields on their own line, or if it should keep them in the flow of text as it is visually shown. If the option is enabled then things will stay as they are visually shown, but if it is disabled then fields will be placed on their own line."

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 3:16 AM Dang Manh Cuong <dangmanhcuong@...> wrote:
Hi Marcio
That were keystrokes from Windows, not from NVDA, so I thikn it doesn not explained in NVDA user guide or key command. It should be found in matireals about basic computer skill.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about reading an entire line with NVDA

It helped a lot!
Now, is that described on the keystrokes' reference? I couldn't find it no matter where I could look for.
Thanks :)

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Em 26/03/2019 05:28, Dang Manh Cuong disse:

Hi Marcio
Ctrl+down arrow is to move the focus to the next paragraph, and Ctrl+up arrow will move to previous paragraph. When focus move to new line, NVDA always read that line/
Hope that help
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Subject: [nvda] Question about reading an entire line with NVDA

Hey guys, I'm here again :)
This time the question is about... well you saw it on the subject I suppose :)
So, the thing is: I found out that pressing CTRL along with the down arrow, NVDA will read the entire line from a text, regardless if that line is broken for some reason.
However, while I just found it out, I also found out that apparently, this  option isn't described on the NVDA's keystrokes refference.
So my question: is it actually something expected, that pressing CTRL+down arrow NVDA will read the entire line? If so, why isn't it described as an option?
Or, well, what would I be missing? Can anyone point me on the right direction? :)

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Re: Question about reading an entire line with NVDA

 

Hi Quentin,
Actually, the story is like that:
Quite a while ago I noticed that somehow, sometimes my keyboard could press some unknown (at least until yesterday) key and then NVDA would read an entire line (or paragraph, like it seems to be called) without actually breaking it.
You know, when a line is bigger than NVDA can handle at once, then that thing of having to press down arrow to keep reading.
Always wondered which key would be this one that would give me heaven and hell at the same time since sometimes this was a really wanted behavior so that I could read something faster and on another ones I just wanted NVDA (or my keyboard) to leave me alone without forcing me to read an entire line (paragraph) at once.
As yesterday I had more than enough free time to test it I kept pressing key by key plus the down arrow to find out which combination would give me the forementioned behavior.
So, this is the whole story for when and how I found it out.
Then I was just curious because after finding this combo I looked through all the places I could think of to see if I could find the description of this command, but of course I didn't find anything since it isn't an NVDA- specific thing.
I haven't tried it on Notepad thus far though, so there's another thing I never knew - that it couldn't be used there.
Well that's it :)
I know this is way way longer than I'm used to write but since you wanted to hear a bit more from this funny story I just took the liberty of letting my fingers type all of this.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy
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Em 27/03/2019 07:38, Quentin Christensen disse:

That's ok Marcio,

Though I am still curious which lines you couldn't read fully with one command before you found this keystroke?

Quentin.

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 9:23 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Quentin,
Actually, I'm not having any problem. I just found this option (read by paragraph) and never knew it was a Windows one.
Sorry for causing worries unnecessarily. I was just curious :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy
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Em 26/03/2019 21:12, Quentin Christensen disse:
As noted, CONTROL+DOWN ARROW is a Windows command, and in most places it moves down by one paragraph.  Additionally, as you move, NVDA reads a corresponding amount of text - if you move by one word (control+right arrow, also a Windows command), NVDA reads one word, if you move down by one line, NVDA reads one line, etc.

My question to Marcio is to ask what program / kind of file are you reading where you are having trouble reading by line to begin with?  Pressing NVDA+up arrow (or in laptop layout, NVDA+l) should read the current line.  On web pages, it's harder to find out exactly what text is visually on one line, so NVDA sets the maximum line length, and if a block of text is longer than that, it assumes each N characters is a new "line".  You can find the option in NVDA's browse mode settings - NVDA+control+b will get you there directly.

There is also an option in Browse mode settings "Use screen layout (when supported)".  I've just copied from the user guide here:

"Use screen layout
Key: NVDA+v

This option allows you to specify whether content in browse mode should place content such as links and other fields on their own line, or if it should keep them in the flow of text as it is visually shown. If the option is enabled then things will stay as they are visually shown, but if it is disabled then fields will be placed on their own line."

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 3:16 AM Dang Manh Cuong <dangmanhcuong@...> wrote:
Hi Marcio
That were keystrokes from Windows, not from NVDA, so I thikn it doesn not explained in NVDA user guide or key command. It should be found in matireals about basic computer skill.
Cuong
----------------
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 The Assistive technology specialist
 Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about reading an entire line with NVDA

It helped a lot!
Now, is that described on the keystrokes' reference? I couldn't find it no matter where I could look for.
Thanks :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy
Follow or add me on Facebook

Em 26/03/2019 05:28, Dang Manh Cuong disse:

Hi Marcio
Ctrl+down arrow is to move the focus to the next paragraph, and Ctrl+up arrow will move to previous paragraph. When focus move to new line, NVDA always read that line/
Hope that help
Cuong
----------------
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 The Assistive technology specialist
 Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
 Tel: +8428 7302-4488
 E-mail: info@...; tech@...
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 3:20 PM
Subject: [nvda] Question about reading an entire line with NVDA

Hey guys, I'm here again :)
This time the question is about... well you saw it on the subject I suppose :)
So, the thing is: I found out that pressing CTRL along with the down arrow, NVDA will read the entire line from a text, regardless if that line is broken for some reason.
However, while I just found it out, I also found out that apparently, this  option isn't described on the NVDA's keystrokes refference.
So my question: is it actually something expected, that pressing CTRL+down arrow NVDA will read the entire line? If so, why isn't it described as an option?
Or, well, what would I be missing? Can anyone point me on the right direction? :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy
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Re: Question about reading an entire line with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

That's ok Marcio,

Though I am still curious which lines you couldn't read fully with one command before you found this keystroke?

Quentin.

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 9:23 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Quentin,
Actually, I'm not having any problem. I just found this option (read by paragraph) and never knew it was a Windows one.
Sorry for causing worries unnecessarily. I was just curious :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy
Follow or add me on Facebook

Em 26/03/2019 21:12, Quentin Christensen disse:
As noted, CONTROL+DOWN ARROW is a Windows command, and in most places it moves down by one paragraph.  Additionally, as you move, NVDA reads a corresponding amount of text - if you move by one word (control+right arrow, also a Windows command), NVDA reads one word, if you move down by one line, NVDA reads one line, etc.

My question to Marcio is to ask what program / kind of file are you reading where you are having trouble reading by line to begin with?  Pressing NVDA+up arrow (or in laptop layout, NVDA+l) should read the current line.  On web pages, it's harder to find out exactly what text is visually on one line, so NVDA sets the maximum line length, and if a block of text is longer than that, it assumes each N characters is a new "line".  You can find the option in NVDA's browse mode settings - NVDA+control+b will get you there directly.

There is also an option in Browse mode settings "Use screen layout (when supported)".  I've just copied from the user guide here:

"Use screen layout
Key: NVDA+v

This option allows you to specify whether content in browse mode should place content such as links and other fields on their own line, or if it should keep them in the flow of text as it is visually shown. If the option is enabled then things will stay as they are visually shown, but if it is disabled then fields will be placed on their own line."

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 3:16 AM Dang Manh Cuong <dangmanhcuong@...> wrote:
Hi Marcio
That were keystrokes from Windows, not from NVDA, so I thikn it doesn not explained in NVDA user guide or key command. It should be found in matireals about basic computer skill.
Cuong
----------------
Dang Manh Cuong
 The Assistive technology specialist
 Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
 Tel: +8428 7302-4488
 E-mail: info@...; tech@...
 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/saomaicenterfortheblind
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about reading an entire line with NVDA

It helped a lot!
Now, is that described on the keystrokes' reference? I couldn't find it no matter where I could look for.
Thanks :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy
Follow or add me on Facebook

Em 26/03/2019 05:28, Dang Manh Cuong disse:

Hi Marcio
Ctrl+down arrow is to move the focus to the next paragraph, and Ctrl+up arrow will move to previous paragraph. When focus move to new line, NVDA always read that line/
Hope that help
Cuong
----------------
Dang Manh Cuong
 The Assistive technology specialist
 Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
 Tel: +8428 7302-4488
 E-mail: info@...; tech@...
 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/saomaicenterfortheblind
 Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org
Mobile / Viber / WhatsApp / Zalo: +84 902-572-300
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 3:20 PM
Subject: [nvda] Question about reading an entire line with NVDA

Hey guys, I'm here again :)
This time the question is about... well you saw it on the subject I suppose :)
So, the thing is: I found out that pressing CTRL along with the down arrow, NVDA will read the entire line from a text, regardless if that line is broken for some reason.
However, while I just found it out, I also found out that apparently, this  option isn't described on the NVDA's keystrokes refference.
So my question: is it actually something expected, that pressing CTRL+down arrow NVDA will read the entire line? If so, why isn't it described as an option?
Or, well, what would I be missing? Can anyone point me on the right direction? :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy
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Re: Question about reading an entire line with NVDA

 

Hi Quentin,
Actually, I'm not having any problem. I just found this option (read by paragraph) and never knew it was a Windows one.
Sorry for causing worries unnecessarily. I was just curious :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy
Follow or add me on Facebook

Em 26/03/2019 21:12, Quentin Christensen disse:

As noted, CONTROL+DOWN ARROW is a Windows command, and in most places it moves down by one paragraph.  Additionally, as you move, NVDA reads a corresponding amount of text - if you move by one word (control+right arrow, also a Windows command), NVDA reads one word, if you move down by one line, NVDA reads one line, etc.

My question to Marcio is to ask what program / kind of file are you reading where you are having trouble reading by line to begin with?  Pressing NVDA+up arrow (or in laptop layout, NVDA+l) should read the current line.  On web pages, it's harder to find out exactly what text is visually on one line, so NVDA sets the maximum line length, and if a block of text is longer than that, it assumes each N characters is a new "line".  You can find the option in NVDA's browse mode settings - NVDA+control+b will get you there directly.

There is also an option in Browse mode settings "Use screen layout (when supported)".  I've just copied from the user guide here:

"Use screen layout
Key: NVDA+v

This option allows you to specify whether content in browse mode should place content such as links and other fields on their own line, or if it should keep them in the flow of text as it is visually shown. If the option is enabled then things will stay as they are visually shown, but if it is disabled then fields will be placed on their own line."

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 3:16 AM Dang Manh Cuong <dangmanhcuong@...> wrote:
Hi Marcio
That were keystrokes from Windows, not from NVDA, so I thikn it doesn not explained in NVDA user guide or key command. It should be found in matireals about basic computer skill.
Cuong
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about reading an entire line with NVDA

It helped a lot!
Now, is that described on the keystrokes' reference? I couldn't find it no matter where I could look for.
Thanks :)

Cheers,
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Em 26/03/2019 05:28, Dang Manh Cuong disse:

Hi Marcio
Ctrl+down arrow is to move the focus to the next paragraph, and Ctrl+up arrow will move to previous paragraph. When focus move to new line, NVDA always read that line/
Hope that help
Cuong
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 3:20 PM
Subject: [nvda] Question about reading an entire line with NVDA

Hey guys, I'm here again :)
This time the question is about... well you saw it on the subject I suppose :)
So, the thing is: I found out that pressing CTRL along with the down arrow, NVDA will read the entire line from a text, regardless if that line is broken for some reason.
However, while I just found it out, I also found out that apparently, this  option isn't described on the NVDA's keystrokes refference.
So my question: is it actually something expected, that pressing CTRL+down arrow NVDA will read the entire line? If so, why isn't it described as an option?
Or, well, what would I be missing? Can anyone point me on the right direction? :)

Cheers,
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Re: NVDA with Chrome

Gene
 

I haven't updated JAWS for a long time because I almost never use it.  The demo didn't time out after a certain number of days' use for most of the history of JAWS.  I don't know if that has changed in more recent versions, though I doubt it.  I think that, on the many lists I follow, I would have seen this discussed.  But I expect others will definitely know because they are using the current one.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 3:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nbda with chrome

hi gene.
i heard that demo of jaws does not work forever and even its demo
versions expires after specific days that i dont know how many days
works exactly.

On 3/24/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> JAWS users can point out things that JAWS does better.  No screen-reader
> does all things as well as any other screen-reader.  That's why demanding
> users use more than one screen-reader, even if they only have a demo of
> another one.  You don't know when you might need or benefit from another
> screen-reader.
>
> I almost never use System Access to go, but I find, every now and then, that
> having access to it really helps with something.
>
> For example, awhile ago, System Access to Go read the things to check so
> unwanted software wouldn't be installed when I was installing a certain free
> program.  No other screen-reader tried read that material in an accessible
> way.  It may be, therefore, that when installing free programs, since so
> many try to put other programs on machines, that the installer should be
> tried with System Access or System Access to Go.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Arlene
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 12:20 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Nbda with chrome
>
>
> Hmmm, I use NVDA running Chrome. I have no problems running it using NVDA.
> How I had Chrome run as the default browser.  I was taking an online food
> safe course. I was receiving tutoring and he doesn’t know win ten.  He knew
> Chrome so I told him to default it.  We tried IE but it ran slow.  Now my
> food safe website called the training center is saved on book marks. Here’s
> a real sick kicker!  Expensive Jaws the latest version can get onto the
> site. I can login but Jaws does not read Click anywhere to begin.  If I
> launch free NVDA NVDA will read click anywhere to begin.
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
>
>
> From: Gene
> Sent: March 24, 2019 1:19 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Nbda with chrome
>
>
>
> If you use add-ons, try running NVDA with no add-ons running and see if
> Chrome runs.
>
>
>
> If you don't know how to run NVDA with no add-ons running, you do so in the
> shut down dialog of NVDA, ask here.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: farhan israk
>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 2:54 PM
>
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
> Subject: [nvda] Nbda with chrome
>
>
>
> I use Windows 10 1809, latest nvda and chrome. Most of time nvda hangs when
> I use chrome. I faced this problem in previous version of chrome as well.
> How to fix it?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: NVDA with Chrome

Gene
 

I don't know what is causing the problem.  You can run NVDA with no add-ons running in the following way:
Use NVDA key q to bring up the exit NVDA dialog.  Down arrow until you get to something like restart with no add-ons.  Press enter.  NVDA will restart with no add-ons.
 
To run NVDA with add-ons again, exit NVDA in the usual way, NVDA key q, then enter.  then run it again.  It is now running as it usually does, with add-ons running again.
 
If hanging doesn't occur when you run Chrome with no add-ons, then one of the add-ons is causing the problem.  If it still crashes, add-ons are not the problem.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nbda with chrome

Thank you. Whats wrong with my computer? I use two add-on. One ks win 10 app essential and another is add-on updater.


On Mon, 25 Mar 2019, 11:37 am Gene, <gsasner@...> wrote:
JAWS users can point out things that JAWS does better.  No screen-reader does all things as well as any other screen-reader.  That's why demanding users use more than one screen-reader, even if they only have a demo of another one.  You don't know when you might need or benefit from another screen-reader.
 
I almost never use System Access to go, but I find, every now and then, that having access to it really helps with something. 
 
For example, awhile ago, System Access to Go read the things to check so unwanted software wouldn't be installed when I was installing a certain free program.  No other screen-reader tried read that material in an accessible way.  It may be, therefore, that when installing free programs, since so many try to put other programs on machines, that the installer should be tried with System Access or System Access to Go. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nbda with chrome

Hmmm, I use NVDA running Chrome. I have no problems running it using NVDA.  How I had Chrome run as the default browser.  I was taking an online food safe course. I was receiving tutoring and he doesn’t know win ten.  He knew Chrome so I told him to default it.  We tried IE but it ran slow.  Now my food safe website called the training center is saved on book marks. Here’s a real sick kicker!  Expensive Jaws the latest version can get onto the site. I can login but Jaws does not read Click anywhere to begin.  If I launch free NVDA NVDA will read click anywhere to begin.  

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: March 24, 2019 1:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nbda with chrome

 

If you use add-ons, try running NVDA with no add-ons running and see if Chrome runs.

 

If you don't know how to run NVDA with no add-ons running, you do so in the shut down dialog of NVDA, ask here.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: farhan israk

Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 2:54 PM

Subject: [nvda] Nbda with chrome

 

I use Windows 10 1809, latest nvda and chrome. Most of time nvda hangs when I use chrome. I faced this problem in previous version of chrome as well. How to fix it?

 

Re: A Good podcast client for windows 10?

Ian Westerland
 

I also use QCast. Well worth the money I paid and it is simple to use.

ian Westerland

On 3/27/2019 7:50 PM, David Moore wrote:
Hi!
qCast is a really good pod catcher!
It only costs a few dollars, but is so worth it.
All you have to do is type in a search term, and it will bring up a huge list of podcasts to choose from.
I just love it.
I also use the accessible pod cast from Web IE as well.
David Moore
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*From: *chris miles <mailto:grrenfly@...>
*Sent: *Tuesday, March 26, 2019 8:32 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] A Good podcast client for windows 10?
On 26/03/2019 23:49, Matt Turner wrote:
Hi folks.
Anyone have any good ideas?
I don't want to use Itunes for podcast.
Hi,
I use Sharp Reader.
There are hot keys:-
F6 - Flag, folder title
F7 - Shows titles within a feed
F8 - allows you to see links including URL - Press Jaws key (NPD0) and tab moves straight to the URL link
Press context menu; you can sort by name, etc.
The other one I use is Accessible Podcaster from Web IE.

Re: A Good podcast client for windows 10?

David Moore
 

Hi!

qCast is a really good pod catcher!

It only costs a few dollars, but is so worth it.

All you have to do is type in a search term, and it will bring up a huge list of podcasts to choose from.

I just love it.

I also use the accessible pod cast from Web IE as well.

David Moore

 

                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: chris miles
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 8:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A Good podcast client for windows 10?

 

On 26/03/2019 23:49, Matt Turner wrote:

Hi folks.

Anyone have any good ideas?

I don't want to use Itunes for podcast.



Hi,

 

I use Sharp Reader.

 

There are hot keys:-

 

F6 - Flag, folder title

F7 - Shows titles within a feed

F8 - allows you to see links including URL - Press Jaws key (NPD0) and tab moves straight to the URL link

Press context menu; you can sort by name, etc.

 

The other one I use is Accessible Podcaster from Web IE.

 

Re: NVDA with Chrome

 

hi gene.
i heard that demo of jaws does not work forever and even its demo
versions expires after specific days that i dont know how many days
works exactly.

On 3/24/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
JAWS users can point out things that JAWS does better. No screen-reader
does all things as well as any other screen-reader. That's why demanding
users use more than one screen-reader, even if they only have a demo of
another one. You don't know when you might need or benefit from another
screen-reader.

I almost never use System Access to go, but I find, every now and then, that
having access to it really helps with something.

For example, awhile ago, System Access to Go read the things to check so
unwanted software wouldn't be installed when I was installing a certain free
program. No other screen-reader tried read that material in an accessible
way. It may be, therefore, that when installing free programs, since so
many try to put other programs on machines, that the installer should be
tried with System Access or System Access to Go.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 12:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nbda with chrome


Hmmm, I use NVDA running Chrome. I have no problems running it using NVDA.
How I had Chrome run as the default browser. I was taking an online food
safe course. I was receiving tutoring and he doesn’t know win ten. He knew
Chrome so I told him to default it. We tried IE but it ran slow. Now my
food safe website called the training center is saved on book marks. Here’s
a real sick kicker! Expensive Jaws the latest version can get onto the
site. I can login but Jaws does not read Click anywhere to begin. If I
launch free NVDA NVDA will read click anywhere to begin.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: Gene
Sent: March 24, 2019 1:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nbda with chrome



If you use add-ons, try running NVDA with no add-ons running and see if
Chrome runs.



If you don't know how to run NVDA with no add-ons running, you do so in the
shut down dialog of NVDA, ask here.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: farhan israk

Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 2:54 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Nbda with chrome



I use Windows 10 1809, latest nvda and chrome. Most of time nvda hangs when
I use chrome. I faced this problem in previous version of chrome as well.
How to fix it?







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: NVDA with Chrome

farhan israk
 

Thank you. Whats wrong with my computer? I use two add-on. One ks win 10 app essential and another is add-on updater.


On Mon, 25 Mar 2019, 11:37 am Gene, <gsasner@...> wrote:
JAWS users can point out things that JAWS does better.  No screen-reader does all things as well as any other screen-reader.  That's why demanding users use more than one screen-reader, even if they only have a demo of another one.  You don't know when you might need or benefit from another screen-reader.
 
I almost never use System Access to go, but I find, every now and then, that having access to it really helps with something. 
 
For example, awhile ago, System Access to Go read the things to check so unwanted software wouldn't be installed when I was installing a certain free program.  No other screen-reader tried read that material in an accessible way.  It may be, therefore, that when installing free programs, since so many try to put other programs on machines, that the installer should be tried with System Access or System Access to Go. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nbda with chrome

Hmmm, I use NVDA running Chrome. I have no problems running it using NVDA.  How I had Chrome run as the default browser.  I was taking an online food safe course. I was receiving tutoring and he doesn’t know win ten.  He knew Chrome so I told him to default it.  We tried IE but it ran slow.  Now my food safe website called the training center is saved on book marks. Here’s a real sick kicker!  Expensive Jaws the latest version can get onto the site. I can login but Jaws does not read Click anywhere to begin.  If I launch free NVDA NVDA will read click anywhere to begin.  

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: March 24, 2019 1:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nbda with chrome

 

If you use add-ons, try running NVDA with no add-ons running and see if Chrome runs.

 

If you don't know how to run NVDA with no add-ons running, you do so in the shut down dialog of NVDA, ask here.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: farhan israk

Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 2:54 PM

Subject: [nvda] Nbda with chrome

 

I use Windows 10 1809, latest nvda and chrome. Most of time nvda hangs when I use chrome. I faced this problem in previous version of chrome as well. How to fix it?