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Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Vytautas Ziedelis
 

Sorry if this comment seems a bit off topic, I understand that but the reason for this is very important. Please read below and you understand why
 
Hello  dear group members, I am looking for people who finished or currently attending higher education.  I am doing a research for my 4th year project that involves analysis of experiences in higher education for blind and visually impaired individuals.
It is a questionnaire type of research, I totally get it if you think that not today, or someone else will do it, I'm really asking you to do it, because this research is very important,
I know answering survey questions is in the best time spent and it is annoying however please, please provide your feedback.
I struggled in higher education myself for 4 years, but I am finally in the 4th year last semester.    of my IT course. From my own experience I understand that many blind and visually impaired individuals have a hard time while studying in higher education due to the various reasons related to visual requirements of the course or support and understanding from the lecturers.
That is exactly the reason for this project, and therefore every answer is very important not for my project only, but also for all of us.
 
Some of you may answered this questionnaire before because it was posted before , however it is a new survey because I screwed that previous survey,  I had to fix the mistakes in the old one. And the outcome is that I had to create a new survey because platform didn't allow to modified the questions.
If you answered this survey previously I really appreciate that please do it again because I am lacking responses for the new one I had 44 in the previous one and a new one has only 11 responses thus far.
thank you very much for your help I really appreciate that, it is a tough job getting responses to the surveys, because I am aware that people like to skip them and understand why because it seems uninteresting,  but this 1 I think is important for blind and visually impaired community I designed that myself and that comes from my own experiences.
I am Leaving the link below so you can participate in find more about the questionnaire
 
http://bit.ly/2tZaHse

Re: o t, dvd wripper

Kerryn Gunness
 


thanks brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] o t, dvd wripper

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 10:55 AM, Kerryn Gunness wrote:
and also it is using NVDA to do it
Thanks for your clarification not only about specific need, but about using NVDA with said ripper software.

We get lots of questions about software recommendations in general that there's not a single question about how to use them with NVDA (even though I presume that's how they're being used).  Sometimes it's just obvious how to use them with a screen reader and sometimes it's not.  Also, sometimes conversations are intended to focus on deep discussion of the feature set of a given piece of software, and all its keyboard shortcuts and the like.   When it's pretty much strictly in that vein, it's really not NVDA related, either.

I doubt that there will ever be a case where there is 100% purity with regard to "is NVDA involved," but those framing their questions know whether the thrust of what they want to discuss relates to using NVDA with a given piece of software or just about the other software itself.  One could, for instance, have a weeks-long conversation regarding using Microsoft Office without ever once mentioning a screen reader command (though the occasional mention is almost certain to occur).

Good luck in finding a solution that "plays well" with NVDA.
 
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Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Morning:  I read this information a little late.  However, I check notifications, which are in settings and the notification for Drop Box is uncheck.

Dave


On 2/25/2019 5:10 AM, Gene wrote:
Has anyone looked through options in Dropbox to see if anything is available about not showing notifications or messages?  These are, presumably, shown in the system tray.  I almost never use DropBox, though I have it, and I usually don't have it running.  I don't know if I have the latest version.  But the first thing I would do is look through the options to see if anything is available.  I may check later today but it might be better if someone checks who uses it regularly, and knows they have the problem version.  Presumably, I either do or it would update if I leave it on.
 
Gene
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Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

The whole thrust of it for us is that you can hear when new updates come in.
To try to schedule everything at the studio will cause our non tech folk a
problem
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Is there any reason to have it running constantly?  You can exit it and only
run it when you want to use it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Scholes
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:32 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Hi all,

I'm running Dropbox v68.3.92.  Approximately every half an hour or so,
NVDA's focus is being moved to a Dropbox window which only seems to
contain a single, blank edit field.  The window doesn't seem to stay on
the screen, but focus isn't returned to where it was previously after it
disappears.  In fact, NVDA reports it as taking up a rectangle of 0
pixels, so I don't know if anything shows up visually on the screen at all.

As you can imagine, having to dismiss these boxes several times per day
is irritating.  Does anybody have a work-around?

Regards,

James Scholes
https://twitter.com/JamesScholes








Re: o t, dvd wripper

 

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 10:55 AM, Kerryn Gunness wrote:
and also it is using NVDA to do it
Thanks for your clarification not only about specific need, but about using NVDA with said ripper software.

We get lots of questions about software recommendations in general that there's not a single question about how to use them with NVDA (even though I presume that's how they're being used).  Sometimes it's just obvious how to use them with a screen reader and sometimes it's not.  Also, sometimes conversations are intended to focus on deep discussion of the feature set of a given piece of software, and all its keyboard shortcuts and the like.   When it's pretty much strictly in that vein, it's really not NVDA related, either.

I doubt that there will ever be a case where there is 100% purity with regard to "is NVDA involved," but those framing their questions know whether the thrust of what they want to discuss relates to using NVDA with a given piece of software or just about the other software itself.  One could, for instance, have a weeks-long conversation regarding using Microsoft Office without ever once mentioning a screen reader command (though the occasional mention is almost certain to occur).

Good luck in finding a solution that "plays well" with NVDA.
 
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Re: using win 7 after january 2020

 

It baffles me why nobody has shared the official blog post, but here it is, from Microsoft.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4057281/windows-7-support-will-end-on-january-14-2020

Re: o t, dvd wripper

Kerryn Gunness
 


thanks dan
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] o t, dvd wripper

Yes, but maybe someone else on here can tell you about them.  I am not up to date on them.


Dan

On 3/11/2019 10:19 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

thanks dan, but is there any free software?
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] o t, dvd wripper

Hi,


I use a program called freemakeVC.  I bought the upgrade version because it works faster  and some of the features seem to be more accessible.  This program takes some playing with to get used to the parts that are not quite accessible but once you learn it it is easy to use. 


I use it for DVD ripping and burning.  I also use it to convert audio files to other formats.


Dan Beaver

On 3/11/2019 10:04 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

hi friends
 
do you all no of a program to wripp dvd's ?
 
 
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Re: o t, dvd wripper

Kerryn Gunness
 


hi
 
If, by rip, you mean transferring to computer storage for later viewing, that's something else entirely.  Ripping generally refers to doing this, but it's unclear here.
 
i mean above and also it is using NVDA to do it
 
thanks for clarifying
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] o t, dvd wripper

If, by rip, you mean copy, then I don't know of any.   Copy protections on DVDs is significantly tighter than on CDs, for example, which have been easily duplicated for years.

If, by rip, you mean transferring to computer storage for later viewing, that's something else entirely.  Ripping generally refers to doing this, but it's unclear here.

Also, even though I'm responding, I'm going to start making a point of the fact that topics such as this one, which have nothing to do with NVDA either directly or indirectly, should be started on the chat subgroup, not here.  As there is not, as yet, a move function I'm allowing these to stay, for the moment, but in the coming weeks will be locking them and asking that people initiate any topic where the answer to the question, "Is this about using NVDA to accomplish some task or about configuring NVDA?," is, "No," in the chat subgroup.

We have the privilege of a community arrangement where anyone in the community can ask about anything "not NVDA" or discuss pretty much anything in a dedicated venue where other community members can choose to join if they wish.   The main group needs to come back to a much tighter NVDA focus, and will.

For those who have not yet subscribed to the chat subgroup here, again, are the addresses for that subgroup:
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Re: o t, dvd wripper

 

If, by rip, you mean copy, then I don't know of any.   Copy protections on DVDs is significantly tighter than on CDs, for example, which have been easily duplicated for years.

If, by rip, you mean transferring to computer storage for later viewing, that's something else entirely.  Ripping generally refers to doing this, but it's unclear here.

Also, even though I'm responding, I'm going to start making a point of the fact that topics such as this one, which have nothing to do with NVDA either directly or indirectly, should be started on the chat subgroup, not here.  As there is not, as yet, a move function I'm allowing these to stay, for the moment, but in the coming weeks will be locking them and asking that people initiate any topic where the answer to the question, "Is this about using NVDA to accomplish some task or about configuring NVDA?," is, "No," in the chat subgroup.

We have the privilege of a community arrangement where anyone in the community can ask about anything "not NVDA" or discuss pretty much anything in a dedicated venue where other community members can choose to join if they wish.   The main group needs to come back to a much tighter NVDA focus, and will.

For those who have not yet subscribed to the chat subgroup here, again, are the addresses for that subgroup:
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Re: o t, dvd wripper

Dan Beaver
 

Yes, but maybe someone else on here can tell you about them.  I am not up to date on them.


Dan

On 3/11/2019 10:19 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

thanks dan, but is there any free software?
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] o t, dvd wripper

Hi,


I use a program called freemakeVC.  I bought the upgrade version because it works faster  and some of the features seem to be more accessible.  This program takes some playing with to get used to the parts that are not quite accessible but once you learn it it is easy to use. 


I use it for DVD ripping and burning.  I also use it to convert audio files to other formats.


Dan Beaver

On 3/11/2019 10:04 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

hi friends
 
do you all no of a program to wripp dvd's ?
 
 
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Re: Zoomtext and nvda

 

One thing I'll point out here, and it's related to magnification in general, is that it has its limits and they get hit relatively quickly.

For anyone who's had sight and used same for reading, we do not read letter by letter or even word by word, processing tends to take place in multi-word chunks at a time and we also possess a lot of predictive ability (and that applies regardless of reading modality) based on context.

I have had clients for whom magnification on a standard (and by standard I even mean large, but that would be used as a typical monitor) monitor needed to be boosted so much that by the time they could use the magnified version it robbed them of the needed linguistic context.

In this age of very large screen TVs, coupled with either HDMI output from the computer itself or casting ability (though the latter is more of a pain), it is well worth considering whether using a large screen TV as a monitor is the better way to go.  The can be positioned such that they're where a monitor would be, if that proves to be preferable in the first place, and everything ends up magnified by default, preserving context.  Even if you have to magnify some, a tiny bit of magnification for "the normal monitor" translates into quite a bit more when it's displayed on a big-screen TV.  I learned all of this when I had to get creative with a client who had macular degeneration but who still wasn't ready to give up reading with her residual vision, and for whom no amount of magnification on "the small screen" produced a result that would allow that.  We ended up putting her big screen TV on an articulating wall mount, which allowed her to pull it away from the wall and down when she needed to use it as a monitor.

Also a cheap UHD TV, which would be more than adequate for purpose, is far cheaper than most things in the world of accessibility are.
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Re: o t, dvd wripper

Kerryn Gunness
 


thanks dan, but is there any free software?
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] o t, dvd wripper

Hi,


I use a program called freemakeVC.  I bought the upgrade version because it works faster  and some of the features seem to be more accessible.  This program takes some playing with to get used to the parts that are not quite accessible but once you learn it it is easy to use. 


I use it for DVD ripping and burning.  I also use it to convert audio files to other formats.


Dan Beaver

On 3/11/2019 10:04 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

hi friends
 
do you all no of a program to wripp dvd's ?
 
 
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Re: using win 7 after january 2020

 

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 08:09 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
As Joseph seems to have to keep on updating the essentials add on the changes have to be significant.
Joseph can (and will) certainly jump in on this himself, but what I've observed suggests that these updates were far less about Windows 10, per se, than staging for future NVDA development.   The last update was at the end of last September and is noted for NVDA 2018.3 to 2019.1.

Add-On Updater seems to be in constant spin as other add-ons "jump on the bandwagon" that allow it to work with it, and that's separate from Windows 10, per se, too.

I'm sure I'll be corrected, and accept it, if I'm wrong.
 
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Re: o t, dvd wripper

Dan Beaver
 

Hi,


I use a program called freemakeVC.  I bought the upgrade version because it works faster  and some of the features seem to be more accessible.  This program takes some playing with to get used to the parts that are not quite accessible but once you learn it it is easy to use. 


I use it for DVD ripping and burning.  I also use it to convert audio files to other formats.


Dan Beaver

On 3/11/2019 10:04 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

hi friends
 
do you all no of a program to wripp dvd's ?
 
 
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o t, dvd wripper

Kerryn Gunness
 


hi friends
 
do you all no of a program to wripp dvd's ?
 
 

locked Re: NVDA for Android and IOS

 

What people need to remember here is that accessibility software, regardless of platform, has generally arisen due to a couple of factors, with different emphases:

  1. Recognition of lack of accessibility and need for it
  2. Desire to make money
  3. Desire to provide a real alternative to expensive option(s) many cannot afford
  4. Public relations value

It is no surprise that Windows, the world's most widely used computing platform, has more than its share of screen readers because all of the above have been at play with the various players in the field at one point or another.  I leave it to you, the reader, to decide which were bigger factors for each product.

Factor #1 is utterly lacking on iOS and Android.  Whether one likes VoiceOver or TalkBack, both are fully mature products that do their job admirably.  There can almost certainly be nothing as far as factors numbers one through three are concerned in these environments, and given the degree of maturity and broad acceptance of what is already available, factor number four has almost zero impact.   Who's going to hail "the next VoiceOver/TalkBack"?   Not many, that's for darned sure.

There are limited resources for implementing accessibility software, both monetary and otherwise.  It makes absolutely no sense to try to open a market that's not really a market in the first place.  Choices have to be made, and the probability of an entity that has the history of NVAccess doing a radical gear shift to other platforms makes very little sense from virtually any angle.

My dear departed Aunt Lila used to quote a rather salty old relative of hers when people brought up wishes such as this, that have all the odds stacked against them, and for good reason, "Wish in one hand, s*^t in the other, and see which gets full first."  That sums up my thoughts about the feasibility and likelihood of NVDA leaping across computing ecosystems.  
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Re: using win 7 after january 2020

 

That's why I only use Windows Defender.
It does get the job done and don't cause me any trouble. Just wonderful I'd say.

Cheers,
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Em 11/03/2019 09:16, Shaun Everiss escreveu:

To be honest with exception of bgt, antimalware tools seem to go after a lot of blindness related programs for no reason I can see.

I have excluded my entire data drive on the workstation as well as several folders on my c drive from getting scanned which itself does put my risk up a little, however its that or loose files.

I don't trust security programs especially those that take over control.



On 12/03/2019 1:03 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Well it is true that some anti virus solutions use techniques borrowed from malware to make themselves extremely hard to  corrupt or remove, because of course they become a legitimate target for malware themselves. however there are limits to what I'd  accept, and Avast has crossed this line for me, being unusable in nvda and almost unremovable even with its own uninstaller and corrupting something when it is removed.
However if you have an Intel based pc, MSSE will still work with the older version of nvda and is still updating here at any rate on windows 7 and XP and OK with nvda. With a bit of effort Superantispyware works well in the free version though some object and screen navigation is required at times for nvda to run correctly, and there seems no way to tick the box for unwanted software like rogue toolbars that nvda can see.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] using win 7 after january 2020


i use windows xp and love it very much, except some of its limitations.
but i dont trust any antivirus programs and never use them!

On 3/11/19, Chris via Groups.Io <chrismedley@...> wrote:
I think the lack of updates after 2020 are probably the least of your
worries if you are currently not using any type of antivirus program


From: Monte Single
Sent: 11 March 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] using win 7 after january 2020

Microsoft will stop issuing updates for win 7 next January.
I have read comments that win 7 can be used safely after this time if some
conditions are followed.I understand these to be;
---a current browser such as firefox or chrome,
---an accessible antivirus and malware program.
What are antivirus and malware programs that will work with nvda in win 7?
Are there other items that I should consider if I choose to use win 7 after
January 2020?
Thanks,
Monte









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Re: using win 7 after january 2020

 

Good points raised here!
I, myself, actually only have updated to Win 10 because I had to take a new laptop.
When I first started, I even thought of formating the toy and putting Win 7 onto it, but some features of Win 10 got me curious so I wound up staying with what I've already had.
However I wouldn't hurry anyone to update to Win 10 if they don't want to, at this point I don't think they really need it.

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Em 11/03/2019 09:00, Shaun Everiss escreveu:

To be honest it may take a little longer for microsoft to completely kill windows7.

While a lot of even x lease units are now win10, there are still x lease win7 units about and even in some rare cases you still can buy a few older generations of win7 workstations of 4-6th generation.

Its likely that thats all going to be phased out but even if it is, I doubt windows7 or even 8 when it finnally dropps out of support will actually drop completely.

Firstly, while xp actually was really on the way out, all oses from vista up use almost the same stuff.

Dot net 4.6 and 4.7 are supported on all windows systems from 7 up, visual basic up to vb 2015-2017 are still supported, as well as dotnet.

Drivers for hardware if you know where to go are all supported on the older systems to, there is a lot of modern hardware that while it runs on 10 will still be supported on 7 and even 8 in fact a lot of win 8 and 8.1 software and drivers will run on windows 10 not really recommended but I have some sound card drivers from win7/8 which run fine without issues.

To be honest, its going to be harder for microsoft to drop win7 and or even 8, for starters, there is a lot of hardware about, some workstations still use 7, and while a lot of businesses are now going to 10, thats only happening as of now, when they replace computers, I know this because of family that are in business.

With xp, people I talked to said they only updated to win7 when windows 10 was starting out, in fact they only started win7 with the 2015 version of windows 10 when that was coming out, going to 7.

Some others may wait longer or shorter times.

Its going to even be harder with windows 8 when microsoft finally cans it.

The only reason to not use win7 possibly is if you want to use a more powerfull system than the intel 6th gen, and after their security nightmare, effecting all systems, from what I hear from people that know, all the security measures in both firmware and windows mitigations have basically crapified the entire 7-8th generation and the 8th generation completely with reduced speed.

Its why I moved to amd which while it does share some similarities with the intel breaches has more protections than intel because of older technologies being used.

Bar the interface in win8x, the only reason you probably would want to switch would be because you would like universal apps or something.

With the universal nature of hardware its going to be harder and a longer time before all that stuff dies.

Whats going to probably eventually happen, is that hardware will stop being supported and other things but there is more of that than win xp ever had.

The only other reason to even concidder upgrading to win10 is to use usb c tech.

Its faster but the ports and plugs mean that basically 99.99999% of usb devices don't work on usb c meaning you have to buy more hubs to fit things in.

Now I have seen usb c storage and a few things but its still got to mature.

My origional plan was to get a 6th gen or a quad 7th gen with all ports or basically usb 2 and 3 like I used to have with my 3rd gen.

This amd system has usb 2 and usb 3.1 class a which means I get all the generation upgrades but not c.

Another issue I have with the new systems is the god awefull microphone and speaker input jack.

This means that even with effects off, the sound for the speakers and externals is emulated to a point.

This means I need audio drivers running at startup in order to have it emulate the right device properly.

I have tried without drivers and the card amp in this beast is to powerfull to run right.

Older units and some newer ones have this sort of thing in and not the 2 stand alone outputs.

The other god awefull thing that I really hate about the modern systems is the tieing of all their sound hardware to the display chip.

I understand why they do it, but after the god awefull time I had in 1995 when sound was tied to the cd drive I thought everyone had learned their lesson.

My asus workstation's card is a card not tied to anything, a 4th gen.

Then again maybe it is the blind that overtax their cards to a point the limiters trip.

Back in the day when volume controls, stand alone cards analog ones mainly and real speakers existed we didn't have any of this stupidness.

Now it works but there is a lot of emulation.

And due to the size of the speakers unless you get an entertainment, gaming or small workstation like I have the speakers are really small that effects are needed for sound to sound even half good.

Eventually windows 7 like xp will become utter crap, but its going to get longer.

Xp was allready being phased out by newer things, win98, 95, and old dos went the same way as well as win2k, me and probably win 8 and vista.

Sadly, win7 has a lot going for it.

There is still a lot of good tech that will be win7 able for ages yet.

And as I said, we would need a big change to really role users over to 10 at least any time fast.

From technical trends that myself and a friend are following who is in the security industry, the biggest threat is forging business emails, as businesses and indeviduals get smarter, the threat of ransomware is dropping to a point we can handle it reasonably well.

Won't be gone completely but still.

Unlike xp, there is no real advantage to really upgrade over win7 on its own.

With the loss of office 2010-2016 coming up in the next few years, that may be enough, and the processer limitations but there are hacks round that.

As long as  there are still people and businesses using it win7 will continue.

Another thing for 7 and against 10 is the fact microsoft has pulled out a lot of legacy stuff which is still used.

Things like midi mappers, and some stuff to run older games and programs which 7 even 64 bit can run with ease.

This is probably why microsoft went with win10 as a service, I mean why would you ever leave windows 10.

Unless your processer is really old, you wouldn't.

The intel 6gen has stopped production as of last year, 7th is still about but dropping out now.

Things may pick up with intel 9th gen maybe.

Microsoft have addressed some of the performance bottlenecks in the mitigations for intel cpus but still.

It will be harder to get rid of win7 and 8 than microsoft actually thinks.

Win8's interface may drive people to 10, and 8 will drop but 7 is unlikely to become as xp is.

Even so, people only dropped xp when their support libraries no longer worked with it.

To be honest, the only reason some stuff like older windows could be effected is if and when microsoft dropps 32 bit support.

Or at least 32 bit os versions.

A lot of programs use 32 and 64 bit code, nvda being one of them.

What will probably shove things along is the end of 32 as a hardware architecture.

32 bit machines havn't been made in ages and ages.

The reason 32 bit continues is that a few systems are still running with 1-4gb ram mainly and the fact a few older programs still exist.

Even if ms were to drop win7 support now, I doubt we'd see any real change for at least a decade or even more.

With all the cloud services and portables what we may see is a cludge of oses and devices being used at once.




On 11/03/2019 10:18 PM, Ian Blackburn wrote:
You can continue to use Windows 7 after the end date in the same way that people are still using Windows XP
But you take the risk of some sort of attack due to the fact that holes in the operating system are not being patched by the supplier
That’s a risk that you choose to take or not depending on your situation


On 11 Mar 2019, at 4:47 pm, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:

Microsoft will stop issuing updates for win 7 next January.

I have read comments that win 7 can be used safely after this time if some conditions are followed.I understand these to be;

---a current browser such as firefox or chrome,

---an accessible antivirus and malware program.

What are antivirus and malware programs that will work with nvda in win 7?

Are there other items that I should consider if I choose to use win 7 after January 2020?

Thanks,

Monte

 


Microsoft Asks Users to Call Windows 10 Devs About ALT+TAB Feature #adminnotice

 

Given how frequently community members use ALT+TAB for application switching, and given how odd this message would seem on the surface if it appeared in your notifications or action center, I thought it worth sharing this article, as it appears to be something most would wish to participate in if the opportunity presents itself:

Microsoft Asks Users to Call Windows 10 Devs About ALT+TAB Feature
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

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locked Re: NVDA for Android and IOS

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Actually, talkback is built in to any device that is licenced by google.  Unofficial devices still have the freedom to screw up all over the place.

There also aren't that many screen readers.  The, "accessibility suites", ment to supplement early android accessibility are extinct where they belong.  Speil was the closest to a talkback competitor on the market and development ended at least three years ago.  Development of android access has slowed down more than I would like, but The screen reader portion is fully functional.

Best,

Erik

On March 10, 2019 4:33:03 PM "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@...> wrote:

Not sure what the point would be.

NVDA is a windows application, there's no advantage to porting it to IOS or Android, since those platforms already have screen readers, (IOS even has one built-in), what would be the usage case for making another one?

Android has multiple screen readers, so AI suppose another one there couldn't hurt, but it won't be NVDA, since porting a windows app to a linux environment isn't  really something that can be done easily, (or in some cases) at all, because of the  way they work, and to be honest, NVDA falls into the second category.  To make a linux screen reader, you need to do things entirely differently than on a windows system.  Basically, it would be a matter of rewriting NVDA from scratch, and since there's already some very good screen readers for linux, Android and OSX, there's not much point to it.

On 3/10/2019 11:16 AM, Sociohack AC wrote:
Are there any plans in the pipeline for developing an NVDA app for Android and IOS? Is it possible?
Right now, Talkback and Voiceover do support external keyboard, but it would be so much more convenient if there could be an NVDA application for mobile phones with similar commands as that of a PC. What do you guys think?
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Hang ups in latest beta

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Has anyone here using 2019.1 beta had any strange hang ups? The effect in for example explorer or even in Jarte and other bits of software seems to be that the currently highlighted or focussed word is all you can here, though it registers the keypresses, its not really clear if things are moving, I suspect not.

If anyone has had this, can they perhaps while in the problem try an nvda/f1 and post the result. Also anyone who fancies losing access to their add ons, turn them off and see if it still happens.
Of course restarting nvda will fix the issue and it might not then happen for days, but I and at least one other person never had this prior to this version so if there is a bug there, it would be nice to find it.
Also of course if you can see the log part containing the problem paste that as well.


I am using windows 7 myself.
Sods law dictated that the last time it happened when I had time to investigate it was in a program that hardly anyone will be using, so its hare to determine what was going on, but yesterday it happened twice while renaming and copying files in Explorer

Note no error tones are heard.
Debug should be set for the full details before it happens.
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Brian

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