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Re: NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom
Bob Cavanaugh
Nor have I done much testing with this, as I'm usually trying to focus
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on the meeting I'm attending, but I do not expect my screen reader, no matter what it is, to suddenly be delayed by several seconds after arrowing down a half a dozen times with no problem whatsoever. I may have a meeting on Saturday, so I will play around with this if that meeting happens.
On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
How long do you wait before deciding that nothing will be read? The
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Re: Welcoming you to my talk at NVDACon
Quentin Christensen
I added quite a bit of information on NVDACon, how to join and so on in this week's In-Process blog post: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-2nd-december-2020/ Basically, to join NVDACon, see the "How to join us" page on NVDACon.org: https://www.nvdacon.org/how-to-join-us Kind regards Quentin.
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Re: NVDA and Word
Quentin Christensen
Hi Mike, This is not so much an NVDA feature as a Word feature. You could try setting the view mode to "Draft" (alt+w, e) rather than the default page layout (alt+w, p to get back to page layout). If you want all the footnotes in the one place in the document, do you maybe want "endnotes" instead of footnotes? They work essentially the same, but they are grouped at the very end of the document, rather than at the bottom of each page. Kind regards Quentin.
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 10:17 AM mike mcglashon <michael.mcglashon@...> wrote:
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Re: NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom
Gene
How long do you wait before deciding that nothing will be read? The meetings I attend generally don't have a lot of attendees. Generally something like eight or ten. If I down arrow a lot of times, speech is delayed, I didn't play with this much because I wanted to hear what was going on in the meeting, but it seemed to me that in perhaps ten seconds, I would hear something.
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It might help those analyzing the problem if they knew if speech stops or is very delayed. I didn't do enough testing to know on my machine. I may when I attend another meeting. Gene
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From: Sim Kah Yong Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 8:36 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom Hi I tried the read current line or the read the current line of the navigation object and NVDA reads to me when I encounter the problem. This is just a work-around, how nice if a solution can be found for this. Thanks. On 11/30/2020 11:07 AM, Gene wrote: What happens if you down arrow and when speech stops, read the current line. You can also try reading the current line of the navigator object, in the desktop layout, numpad 8. I don't know the laptop layout. You may not hear anything but if this combination allows you to hear the names as you move, that may be a work around that is reasonable for now.
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Re: NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom
Sim Kah Yong
Hi
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I tried the read current line or the read the current line of the navigation object and NVDA reads to me when I encounter the problem. This is just a work-around, how nice if a solution can be found for this. Thanks.
On 11/30/2020 11:07 AM, Gene wrote:
What happens if you down arrow and when speech stops, read the current line. You can also try reading the current line of the navigator object, in the desktop layout, numpad 8. I don't know the laptop layout. You may not hear anything but if this combination allows you to hear the names as you move, that may be a work around that is reasonable for now.
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Re: NVDA reading only one line with NVDA-down arrow
Fresh Start
It may sound strange, but check and see if the layout got changed. Then
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make sure the screen is maximized. Sometimes the screen will change for whatever reason. It might not totally minimize. But will change in size. Also if there is a change in font size, that can happen. So maximize the screen with alt plus space followed x with the document opened.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 4:34 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA reading only one line with NVDA-down arrow She is using the desktop layout. At first NVDA read easily. Now it doesn't.
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Inserting Latency in NVDA Speech and Bluetooth Audio
Bhavya shah
Dear all,
This may come off as an odd request, but I do need it to simulate a certain scenario. I would like to have NVDA's speech - with the same voice settings and my same ESpeak-NG - be outputted but with a delay of 150 ms. Latency is generally frowned upon, yes, but I would like to artificially manufacture it at present. Is there some way of doing this? For context, I am aware that standard Bluetooth audio (sans low latency audio codecs) typically have an associated latency of 150-250 ms. Since I do not have the required equipment to test that practically, I want to emulate that latency with NVDA on my laptop speakers so as to get a sense of how much a couple hundred milliseconds of delay is likely to affect me in the real world. Thanks. -- Best Regards Bhavya Shah Stanford University | Class of 2024 E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
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Re: Making NVDA profiles in diffrent languages
Create portable copies but save them to your hard drive. You want a portable copy for each language you know. Create shortcuts to each of these portable copies. Instead of running on flash drives, they simply run off your PC from their own directories.
You will also need a way to change the windows display and interface languages as well, or you're going to have German NVDA trying to read English! There are ways to do it -- talk to Microsoft support or look through their knowledgebase to get assistance. Microsoft also has two disability support portals: one for home users and one for enterprise users. You can ask these folks about easily switching your Windows language. Remember Windows has an interface language, a display language a keyboard language and a speech language. You can set any or all of these. And you can switch between them. Though the traditional "language bar"is a floating toolbar that NVDA cannot read, the keystrokes to switch languages are accessible and you don't really need to access the language bar to do the switching. I'll be discussing this in my NVDACon talk this Saturday.
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Re: NVDA Verbosity for Grouping and sorting messages in Outlook - Can it be changed?
I am sorry I can't be very specific, but in fooling with my view settings in outlook I managed to turn grouping off and it cut out all that verbosity. You can adjust your view to include fewer columns too. Since NVDA is reading outlook's document object model and not the screen it should respond appropriately if you adjust your view to be more minimalist.
Another thing to know: if you are focused on a message that is a newsletter and outlook announces garbage about pictures not downloading, etc. you can use your applications key, select junk, select "not junk"and by marking this message as not Spam, anything else coming from that sender will be whitelisted. Whitelisting a message also causes Outlook to not display and NVDA to not speak verbose messages about it. Because outlook is so configurable, you will find that changing its settings radically affects what NVDA speaks.
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Re: Welcoming you to my talk at NVDACon
Go to nvdacon.org
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Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 06:38 PM, Gene wrote:
But is a reply to sender link available in e-mail programs on lists where the address is hidden?- I have no idea. I have never dealt with an e-mail list where e-mail addresses are hidden such that you cannot reply privately if you so choose. But even if such exist, they're irrelevant to discussions regarding Groups.io, and the Reply to Sender link, which is provided on every message that goes out. This conversation has a clearly defined scope, and I'm not trying to expand beyond it. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind. ~ Thomas Reed Powell
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Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird
Gene
But is a reply to sender link available in e-mail programs on lists where the address is hidden? Does it make sense to hide the address while allowing a reply to sender link that will expose the address?
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Gene
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From: Sarah k Alawami Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 5:17 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird That will not always work as for some lists like those I run I have the address hidden so you might see someone'@groups.io even though that is not their address. Hence forth, you cannot rely on that either 100 percent. -- Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. Check out my adventures with a shadow machine. to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there. For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here On 2 Dec 2020, at 15:07, Gene wrote: I forgot to add that when you are finished working with the source, close it with alt f4. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Gene via groups.io Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 5:06 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird If such features work, that's fine. I don't rely on them in part because I wanted to know how to do this before such features were available. For Thunderbird, if you are in an opened message, and you use the command control u, you will see the source, which other programs call full headers. With Thunderbird, you are using Browse Mode when looking at full headers. Search the way you would use for a web page, using the NVDA browse mode search command for from: That's from and a colon immediately after it. Repeat the search once and you will be on the from line. Move to the beginning of the name, use shift end, then copy the address to the clipboard. Start a new message and paste it in. There are probably other ways to do this in Thunderbird, perhaps with fewer steps but this is the method I use on the rare occasions I want to reply to someone directly. And, while Groups.io has a reply to sender link, as far as I know, other list serves don't provide one. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Mary Otten Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 4:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird Hi all, Earlier, I posted a note where I explained that I wasn't able to activate a link in an email sent to this group using NVDA. I tried all the methods I'm aware of to no avail, and Brian has just confirmed that he can't access these links using T-bird when NVDA is not loaded. So it appears not to be an NVDA issue. I wonder if others who use T-bird are having problems accessing links in emails, such as those that appear at the end of messages sent to this group, where you may reply only to sender, mute the topic or reply to the whole group. If you have had issues activating such links, what was your fix? Or did you not find one? Mary
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Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird
By the way, the Reply to Sender link, which is simply using click-through text for a mailto: link, is 100% correct. If it sticks trying to use it directly, regardless of the email client or webmail, try bringing up the context menu once it has focus and the correct email address of the sender is always part of that mailto link.
-- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind. ~ Thomas Reed Powell
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Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird
It is also possible to easily copy either the e-mail address itself, or the whole mailto link, that is given by the Reply to Sender link at the end of messages.
In Thunderbird, if I have focus on the Reply To Sender link, one of the options that comes up if I bring up the context menu is, Copy email address, which does exactly what you'd think it would do, and gets only the e-mail address out of the mailto: link. You can then manually compose a new message and paste that email address into the To: field. Also, oddly enough, if I attempt to directly activate the Reply to Sender link in Thunderbird, I get a new tab for composing that says, Loading, and never loads. Yet, if I gain focus on the Reply to Sender link, bring up the context menu, and choose Compose message to, a new composition window, rather than tab, opens right up with the e-mail address of the sender pre-populated, but without the subject being pre-populated as it would were the Reply to Sender link working as designed. I do not have any issue with the Reply to Sender link in Outlook 2016, eM Client, or Gmail webmail. This is a Thunderbird bug. But now that I've done some additional resource it definitely is easy to get around and you still use the Reply to Sender link, but don't activate it directly, but bring up the context menu and go from there. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind. ~ Thomas Reed Powell
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Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird
That will not always work as for some lists like those I run I have the address hidden so you might see someone'@groups.io even though that is not their address. Hence forth, you cannot rely on that either 100 percent. -- Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. Check out my adventures with a shadow machine. to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there. For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
On 2 Dec 2020, at 15:07, Gene wrote:
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Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird
Gene
I forgot to add that when you are finished working with the source, close it with alt f4.
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Gene
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From: Gene via groups.io Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 5:06 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird If such features work, that's fine. I don't rely on them in part because I wanted to know how to do this before such features were available. For Thunderbird, if you are in an opened message, and you use the command control u, you will see the source, which other programs call full headers. With Thunderbird, you are using Browse Mode when looking at full headers. Search the way you would use for a web page, using the NVDA browse mode search command for from: That's from and a colon immediately after it. Repeat the search once and you will be on the from line. Move to the beginning of the name, use shift end, then copy the address to the clipboard. Start a new message and paste it in. There are probably other ways to do this in Thunderbird, perhaps with fewer steps but this is the method I use on the rare occasions I want to reply to someone directly. And, while Groups.io has a reply to sender link, as far as I know, other list serves don't provide one. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Mary Otten Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 4:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird Hi all, Earlier, I posted a note where I explained that I wasn't able to activate a link in an email sent to this group using NVDA. I tried all the methods I'm aware of to no avail, and Brian has just confirmed that he can't access these links using T-bird when NVDA is not loaded. So it appears not to be an NVDA issue. I wonder if others who use T-bird are having problems accessing links in emails, such as those that appear at the end of messages sent to this group, where you may reply only to sender, mute the topic or reply to the whole group. If you have had issues activating such links, what was your fix? Or did you not find one? Mary
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Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird
Gene
If such features work, that's fine. I don't rely on them in part because I wanted to know how to do this before such features were available.
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For Thunderbird, if you are in an opened message, and you use the command control u, you will see the source, which other programs call full headers. With Thunderbird, you are using Browse Mode when looking at full headers. Search the way you would use for a web page, using the NVDA browse mode search command for from: That's from and a colon immediately after it. Repeat the search once and you will be on the from line. Move to the beginning of the name, use shift end, then copy the address to the clipboard. Start a new message and paste it in. There are probably other ways to do this in Thunderbird, perhaps with fewer steps but this is the method I use on the rare occasions I want to reply to someone directly. And, while Groups.io has a reply to sender link, as far as I know, other list serves don't provide one. Gene
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From: Mary Otten Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 4:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird Hi all, Earlier, I posted a note where I explained that I wasn't able to activate a link in an email sent to this group using NVDA. I tried all the methods I'm aware of to no avail, and Brian has just confirmed that he can't access these links using T-bird when NVDA is not loaded. So it appears not to be an NVDA issue. I wonder if others who use T-bird are having problems accessing links in emails, such as those that appear at the end of messages sent to this group, where you may reply only to sender, mute the topic or reply to the whole group. If you have had issues activating such links, what was your fix? Or did you not find one? Mary
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Re: keybase
I was as the time at the beginning of the year easy. I just clicked settings, set up the drive for the explorer window, and there you go. I never did chats, but when I visited pub.keybase.com, I think it was com, I could then get a link to what ever I wanted. I stopped using it after zoom bought it as I don't really trust that partnership. -- Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. Check out my adventures with a shadow machine. to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there. For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
On 2 Dec 2020, at 14:13, Governor staten wrote:
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problem with links in email when using Thunderbird
Mary Otten
Hi all,
Earlier, I posted a note where I explained that I wasn't able to activate a link in an email sent to this group using NVDA. I tried all the methods I'm aware of to no avail, and Brian has just confirmed that he can't access these links using T-bird when NVDA is not loaded. So it appears not to be an NVDA issue. I wonder if others who use T-bird are having problems accessing links in emails, such as those that appear at the end of messages sent to this group, where you may reply only to sender, mute the topic or reply to the whole group. If you have had issues activating such links, what was your fix? Or did you not find one? Mary
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Re: NVDA reading only one line with NVDA-down arrow
Ann Byrne
She is using the desktop layout. At first NVDA read easily. Now it doesn't.
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