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Re: NVDA - Inconsistent Behavior when working with MS-Outlook

Monte Single
 

How is outlook 360 more accessible than outlook?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenny Peyattt jr.
Sent: April 22, 2021 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA - Inconsistent Behavior when working with MS-Outlook

 

I like Outlook better than Thunderbird. Yes office 365 is a little pricy but it is more accessible.


Kenny Peyatt jr.


Re: Is any one had the following browser problem with nvda?

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Luke


yes that was one of the things I got him to do as well. It should not be clobbering nvda when there is a windows update so what was mentioned happened. he also said he knows of other people using chrome and nvda but no problems when it updates windows they do not have to re install nvda.


Thanks Brian I will pass on that suggestion to him as well and also thanks to the other gene for the idea but it should not have to be done hopefully but may be on the cards.


I have never come across that type of problem and have been using nvda for years and not heard of others either having this problem.


Gene nz

On 23/04/2021 1:29 pm, Luke Davis wrote:
Have you tried the COM Registration Fixing tool, followed by a reboot, instead of reinstalling NVDA?


Re: suddenly object review quit working like it should

Sarah k Alawami
 

Well, it is for me as that is the only time I got computer training. So yes, for me it is relevant. And jaws did say “ control v, pastes in text from the clipboard” but  then again FS holds your hand too much, which is why I love  NVDA. It expects you to know what to do. No hand holding. It just works, most of the time.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 4:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] suddenly object review quit working like it should

 

2002 is relevant?

 

 

On 2021-04-22 7:00 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I can attest to that with nvda and voiceover. I thought though jaws did say "pastes the contents of the clipboard," etc. Or at least this was the case in 2002 with jaws 3.1.

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On 22 Apr 2021, at 15:10, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 04:20 PM, Luke Davis wrote:

Whether in browse mode or out, control+v does not announce as paste in input help as far as I can tell.

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The description of NVDA Help (NVDA+1):  
Pressing any key in this mode will report the key, and the description of any NVDA command associated with it
 
Note well what follows the word "and."  CTRL+V is not an NVDA Command, it is a Windows Command.  My understanding of both NVDA Help and its JAWS analog are that each will only present descriptions of key sequences that are associated with the screen reader functions, and nothing else.  Windows functions are not part of JAWS or NVDA nor are specific program shortcuts that the screen reader is interacting with.  I'd expect that giving any shortcut sequence not associated with NVDA itself will result in silence.
--

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Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


StationPlaylist add-on 21.04/20.09.7-LTS #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

StationPlaylist add-on 21.04 and 20.09.7-LTS are now available .Version 21.04 (stable channel) requires NVDA 2020.4 or later, whereas 20.09.7-LTS (long-term support) will work on NVDA 2019.3 or later. Note that 20.09.7-LTS is the last 20.09.x release, and support for 20.09,x will end once the next stable version is released.

The key changes in this release include a critical fix to let the add-on work on future NVDA releases. As such, please upgrade to these releases.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Is any one had the following browser problem with nvda?

Luke Davis
 

Have you tried the COM Registration Fixing tool, followed by a reboot, instead of reinstalling NVDA?


--
Luke

"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw


Re: Is any one had the following browser problem with nvda?

Gene
 

I don't know if there is a solution. However, you can avoid starting with default settings if you remove and reinstall NVDA. Make a portable copy from the installed NVDA before updating Windows. Then, after the update, uninstall NVDA, run the portable version, and install NVDA using the install option in the portable version.

If you need more information about the create portable and install options, ask. They are in the Tools menu. When you run either option, tab through the first screen and check the checkbox for copying the current configuration, or whatever is the applicable wording for what you are doing.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 7:10 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is any one had the following browser problem with nvda?

hi guys


I had a person contact me about the following problem below.


I gave them a few suggestions to sus out first. One making sure there
version of nvda is up to date and they do not have any add ons. They are
using the chrome browser as well.


I got them to check also the time on the computer to see if it is still
keeping time etc just in case it was causing problems with the time
stamp with the browser and throwing up this problem.


Has any one else had this problem below? I have also got them to change
there level to debug under general but it seems it only happens with a
update of "Windows.


If you did have this problem how did you fix it?


Both my friend and I are visually impaired, so we still use a mouse with
NVDA, my system is working very well but what is happening with my
friend Karen’s on her laptop is every time Microsoft do a major upgrade
her NVDA stops working.
when she tries loading a page off Google Chrome NVDA responds by saying
Chrome legacy error and when she puts the mouse pointer over text it
says null and will not read it.
The only way to fix this problem has been to totally remove NVDA and
reinstall it and this works successfully each time
Her laptop is an Acer aspire, approximately 6 years old end running
windows 10 and Google Chrome browser.
I have tried changing the default browser to Edge but with the same
results.


Gene nz


Re: Is any one had the following browser problem with nvda?

 

In an elevated command prompt . . .
Try running an:  SFC /scannow
then follow that with a:  DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth

Then see what happens afterward.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Is any one had the following browser problem with nvda?

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

hi guys


I had a person contact me about the following problem below.


I gave them a few suggestions to sus out first. One making sure there version of nvda is up to date and they do not have any add ons. They are using the chrome browser as well.


I got them to check also the time on the computer to see if it is still keeping time etc just in case it was causing problems with the time stamp with the browser and throwing up this problem.


Has any one else had this problem below? I have also got them to change there level to debug under general but it seems it only happens with a update of "Windows.


If you did have this problem how did you fix it?


Both my friend and I are visually impaired, so we still use a mouse with NVDA, my system is working very well but what is happening with my friend Karen’s on her laptop is every time Microsoft do a major upgrade her NVDA stops working.
when she tries loading a page off Google Chrome NVDA responds by saying Chrome legacy error and when she puts the mouse pointer over text it says null and will not read it.
The only way to fix this problem has been to totally remove NVDA and reinstall it and this works successfully each time
Her laptop is an Acer aspire, approximately 6 years old  end running windows 10 and Google Chrome browser.
I have tried changing the default browser to Edge but with the same results.


Gene nz


Re: suddenly object review quit working like it should

Gene
 

I just checked. I use the Clipspeak add-on and when I disable it, control v doesn't say paste.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Davis
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] suddenly object review quit working like it should

Gene, could that possibly be from an add-on? Whether in browse mode or out,
control+v does not announce as paste in input help as far as I can tell.

Gene wrote:

NVDA does tell you that control v is paste. there are times where input help is sensative, swuch as in browse mode. Input help will tell you the quick navigation keys if you are in browse mode. If you are not in a prohgram where browse mode is active, it won't.


Re: suddenly object review quit working like it should

Gene
 

It may, I use the Clipspeak add-on and that may cause the announcement.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Davis
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] suddenly object review quit working like it should

Gene, could that possibly be from an add-on? Whether in browse mode or out,
control+v does not announce as paste in input help as far as I can tell.

Gene wrote:

NVDA does tell you that control v is paste. there are times where input help is sensative, swuch as in browse mode. Input help will tell you the quick navigation keys if you are in browse mode. If you are not in a prohgram where browse mode is active, it won't.


Re: suddenly object review quit working like it should

Chris Smart
 

It doesn't have screenreader-specific help associated with itt, because it's a standard Windows keyboard shortcut, and not specific to any screenreader.

On 2021-04-22 4:20 p.m., Luke Davis wrote:
Gene, could that possibly be from an add-on? Whether in browse mode or out, control+v does not announce as paste in input help as far as I can tell.

Gene wrote:

NVDA does tell you that control v is paste.  there are times where input help is sensative, swuch as in browse mode.  Input help will tell you the quick navigation keys if you are in browse mode.  If you are not in a prohgram where browse mode is active, it won't.



Re: suddenly object review quit working like it should

Chris Smart
 

2002 is relevant?



On 2021-04-22 7:00 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I can attest to that with nvda and voiceover. I thought though jaws did say "pastes the contents of the clipboard," etc. Or at least this was the case in 2002 with jaws 3.1.

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to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

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Finally, you can support my work on happs, the network of now.

On 22 Apr 2021, at 15:10, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 04:20 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Whether in browse mode or out, control+v does not announce as paste in input help as far as I can tell.
-
The description of NVDA Help (NVDA+1):  Pressing any key in this mode will report the key, and the description of any NVDA command associated with it
 
Note well what follows the word "and."  CTRL+V is not an NVDA Command, it is a Windows Command.  My understanding of both NVDA Help and its JAWS analog are that each will only present descriptions of key sequences that are associated with the screen reader functions, and nothing else.  Windows functions are not part of JAWS or NVDA nor are specific program shortcuts that the screen reader is interacting with.  I'd expect that giving any shortcut sequence not associated with NVDA itself will result in silence.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Re: suddenly object review quit working like it should

Sarah k Alawami
 

I can attest to that with nvda and voiceover. I thought though jaws did say "pastes the contents of the clipboard," etc. Or at least this was the case in 2002 with jaws 3.1.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.
Finally, you can support my work on happs, the network of now.

On 22 Apr 2021, at 15:10, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 04:20 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Whether in browse mode or out, control+v does not announce as paste in input help as far as I can tell.
-
The description of NVDA Help (NVDA+1):  Pressing any key in this mode will report the key, and the description of any NVDA command associated with it
 
Note well what follows the word "and."  CTRL+V is not an NVDA Command, it is a Windows Command.  My understanding of both NVDA Help and its JAWS analog are that each will only present descriptions of key sequences that are associated with the screen reader functions, and nothing else.  Windows functions are not part of JAWS or NVDA nor are specific program shortcuts that the screen reader is interacting with.  I'd expect that giving any shortcut sequence not associated with NVDA itself will result in silence.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Re: suddenly object review quit working like it should

 

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 04:20 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Whether in browse mode or out, control+v does not announce as paste in input help as far as I can tell.
-
The description of NVDA Help (NVDA+1):  Pressing any key in this mode will report the key, and the description of any NVDA command associated with it
 
Note well what follows the word "and."  CTRL+V is not an NVDA Command, it is a Windows Command.  My understanding of both NVDA Help and its JAWS analog are that each will only present descriptions of key sequences that are associated with the screen reader functions, and nothing else.  Windows functions are not part of JAWS or NVDA nor are specific program shortcuts that the screen reader is interacting with.  I'd expect that giving any shortcut sequence not associated with NVDA itself will result in silence.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Re: suddenly object review quit working like it should

Kenny Peyattt jr. <p.wildcat1234@...>
 

That stinks.


Kenny Peyatt jr.


Re: NVDA - Inconsistent Behavior when working with MS-Outlook

Kenny Peyattt jr. <p.wildcat1234@...>
 

I like Outlook better than Thunderbird. Yes office 365 is a little pricy but it is more accessible.


Kenny Peyatt jr.


Re: suddenly object review quit working like it should

Luke Davis
 

Gene, could that possibly be from an add-on? Whether in browse mode or out, control+v does not announce as paste in input help as far as I can tell.

Gene wrote:

NVDA does tell you that control v is paste. there are times where input help is sensative, swuch as in browse mode. Input help will tell you the quick navigation keys if you are in browse mode. If you are not in a prohgram where browse mode is active, it won't.


Re: suddenly object review quit working like it should

Gene
 

NVDA does tell you that control v is paste. there are times where input help is sensative, swuch as in browse mode. Input help will tell you the quick navigation keys if you are in browse mode. If you are not in a prohgram where browse mode is active, it won't.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: tim
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 12:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] suddenly object review quit working like it should



Sorry, had to laugh at the use of input help. Never seen that do any except tell you the keys you hit. For example, control + v should say paste, but it just states keys hit. Now it should state its use in all apps, but just keys hit.

Now the one in JFW is at least editable to assign what it don't know.





On 4/21/2021 3:05 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:


Sarah, first thing I would check is if your keyboard input language hasn't changed by accident - keystroke combinations like either left alt + shift, or windows key + space bar can make this occur if you possibly have more than one language installed under win 10.




Secondly, make sure that if you turn on input help, and then press something like numpad insert + numpad 4, it reports that that keystroke is bound to navigating to the previous navigator object?




Secondly, if you have the obj pad add-on installed, you could try using the NVDA + ctrl + tab keystroke to cycle through it's navigation modes, since when it's set to object navigation mode instead of normal mode, you can use just normal cursor keys to try out forms of object navigation?




Here it is:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/objPad.en.html




Good luck



Jacob Kruger
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Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2021-04-21 05:02 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:


I can’t really describe this, but my pc curser used to follow the object review curser and I could just from anywhere check my objects in any window I was in by default. This quit working about a few days after I installed About NVDA Nonvisual Desktop Access (NVDA)

Version: 2020.4. I tried running the com reg tool twice. That worked but then it would not. I tried restarting nvda, that didn’t work. I mean the restart worked, but the object curser would not move. I would hear “no next object” and “no containing object even in object review. I can’t really restart with add ons disabled as I can’t tab tot eh ok button. It’s also liked my keys are stuck or something. I’ve been having that issue for ever now.



I’m running Windows 10 20H2 (64-bit) build 19042.928



The restart of nvda takes care of the not able to press tab but it add ons disabled does not take care of the no containing object. I’m on outlook typing this right now and I try to just for grins navigate with object view and I cannot. I need to try and go up, find the outlook window, navigate by object into it and, it’s a mess. Sometimes that does not even work. I tried changing my display to something smaller and that worked for a bit, but now even that is failing.



I thought that this was browser only but now this object thing is happening in every app. Anything else I should try and do before I pull my hair out? Half of the stuff I use I rely on screen and object view, and I can’t even get screen review to work. The cursers no longer follow each other. Is there a setting I unchecked in NVDA somewhere that I forgot about as well?



Take care all.


Re: Screen tips for Outlook email links

Gene
 

If you are using the default desktop layout, move to where you want to move the mouse, then issue the command numpad insert numpad slash. Hold the insert and press slash. That moves the mouse to where the object navigator is or to where you are in review mode. If you are in object navigation and are using screen-reader defaults regarding object movement, the object navigator will move where you move if you move in a document or list, etc.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Vaibhav Saraf
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 11:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen tips for Outlook email links


No I don't know the command you are referring to.

I suspect that functionality is not properly functional. I did a tryout and then inspected the code but did not found the Screen tip text I had put in the code.

Thanks,
Vaibhav



On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 at 00:22, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know but you can experiment by being on the link, then moving the
mouse to the link and see what happens. Do you know the mouse movement
command?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Vaibhav Saraf
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 10:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Screen tips for Outlook email links


Hi Group,

I got to know today that we can add 'Screen tip' with each link while
composing an email on Outlook. This tip will become visible as a tooltip
when one hovers over the link text.

Is there a way to listen to that tip using NVDA?

Thanks,
Vaibhav


Re: Question about compatibility of "Clock and calendar add-on"

Louise Pfau
 

I just tried to download the add-on, and Microsoft Edge gave a “The download needs attention” alert.  I also checked the compatibility on the add-on page, and it said between NVDA 2014.3-2019.3.
 
Thanks,
 
Louise

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