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CheckState of menu items in WindowsForms are not shown

Yeti <jbslists@...>
 

Hello NVDA users and developers,

I've a windows forms application developed under .net 4.8.

It contains some menu items, that can be checked or
unchecked by clicking.

Unfortunately NVDA does not report the current state, when
the menu item is focused.

This seems to be a problem of NVDA, because the Windows
Narrator under Windows 10 reports the matching information
(checked).

Is this a known issue of NVDA or any unforeseen event on my
system?


Anyone any hint for a workaround or even a solution?

Ad Astra

Yeti
Re: NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


When you move to focus I have noticed that numpad 4 and numpad6 moves you through the focused area.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?

Ok, thanks David.


I'm relatively new to relying on NVDA for more day-to-day computing tasks, and I still sometimes find myself in situations where it seems things are easier in Jaws. It's usually just a case of me not having ObjectNav figured out yet though.



On 2020-11-27 1:27 p.m., David Griffith wrote:

As far as I can tell it is exactly the same if you are using a numpad.

That is Insert minus or dash depending on how it is announced.

NVDA announces  move to focus which is I think the NVDA equivalent. As NVDA does not have a Jaws cursor function in the same way as Jaws I think it has to be used more with object navigation but I will leave others more qualified to comment on this.

David G.

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From: Chris Smart
Sent: 27 November 2020 18:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?

Hi.

Is there an NVDA equivalent to the Jaws command that routes Jaws cursor

to PC cursor?

thanks

Chris
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Shouldn't I be able to use cell A1 to set both column and row headers?
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Input gestures dialogue section in user guide

Khalid Anwar
 

 I feel that the input gestures section in the user guide is not very helpful, I think there are a couple of lines in section 12 about the dialogue but not many examples of how to actually use it,  and exactly what it can be used for.
 Perhaps a video tutorial or audio podcast might be better served to explain this. 
Re: folder view list

Don H
 

Here is a little more info. As I said when on the desktop it will say either desktop view or file list view. If you tab to the show desktop button and hit enter on it it toggles between the two. But what agin is the difference between desktop view and file list view?

On 11/27/2020 4:54 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I get something similar, but not exactly the same, when NVDA first fires up.  It will be interesting to hear what the explanation is.  I've been ignoring it "forever."
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Re: folder view list

Brian Vogel
 

I get something similar, but not exactly the same, when NVDA first fires up.  It will be interesting to hear what the explanation is.  I've been ignoring it "forever."

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Re: NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?

Vickie Andrada
 

This was a really good question! The link is great! It is one that I wondered about for a long time with NVDA, and have never felt I got to work the way it is supposed to.

Vicki
Re: NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?

Chris Smart
 

Here you go.

https://certification.nvaccess.org/


The test isn't nearly as easy as the one for the shark product.

On 2020-11-27 5:23 p.m., Steve Matzura wrote:
Certification? Please tell me how to get into that. I'd love to see what I know, or more likely, don't know.


On 11/27/2020 2:03 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
I have the NVDA Basic Training. I just need to sit down and go through it. (grin) then, I'm going to attempt the NVDA certification a second time. I only got 65% the first time, which isn't all that surprising.



On 2020-11-27 1:48 p.m., Gene wrote:
There is object navigation and screen review and you need to know both to get full use of review abilities.  I'm not sure what the best material is that explains how they work.  I'll let others discuss good material for learning.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 12:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?



Ok, thanks David.




I'm relatively new to relying on NVDA for more day-to-day computing tasks, and I still sometimes find myself in situations where it seems things are easier in Jaws. It's usually just a case of me not having ObjectNav figured out yet though.







On 2020-11-27 1:27 p.m., David Griffith wrote:


As far as I can tell it is exactly the same if you are using a numpad.



That is Insert minus or dash depending on how it is announced.

NVDA announces  move to focus which is I think the NVDA equivalent. As NVDA does not have a Jaws cursor function in the same way as Jaws I think it has to be used more with object navigation but I will leave others more qualified to comment on this.

David G.





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From: Chris Smart
Sent: 27 November 2020 18:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?





Hi.



Is there an NVDA equivalent to the Jaws command that routes Jaws cursor

to PC cursor?





thanks



Chris
Re: NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?

Steve Matzura
 

Certification? Please tell me how to get into that. I'd love to see what I know, or more likely, don't know.

On 11/27/2020 2:03 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
I have the NVDA Basic Training. I just need to sit down and go through it. (grin) then, I'm going to attempt the NVDA certification a second time. I only got 65% the first time, which isn't all that surprising.



On 2020-11-27 1:48 p.m., Gene wrote:
There is object navigation and screen review and you need to know both to get full use of review abilities.  I'm not sure what the best material is that explains how they work.  I'll let others discuss good material for learning.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 12:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?



Ok, thanks David.




I'm relatively new to relying on NVDA for more day-to-day computing tasks, and I still sometimes find myself in situations where it seems things are easier in Jaws. It's usually just a case of me not having ObjectNav figured out yet though.







On 2020-11-27 1:27 p.m., David Griffith wrote:


As far as I can tell it is exactly the same if you are using a numpad.



That is Insert minus or dash depending on how it is announced.

NVDA announces  move to focus which is I think the NVDA equivalent. As NVDA does not have a Jaws cursor function in the same way as Jaws I think it has to be used more with object navigation but I will leave others more qualified to comment on this.

David G.





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From: Chris Smart
Sent: 27 November 2020 18:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?





Hi.



Is there an NVDA equivalent to the Jaws command that routes Jaws cursor

to PC cursor?





thanks



Chris
Re: input help

Sarah k Alawami
 

Let me even add a shorter step that normally works for me.

If on the website or app move to screen review or document review.
Then press the route command and the click command. I never ever use object move as I'm always in screen review when I check stuff. I can use my nvda shift left and right arrows to check where I am object wise.

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On 27 Nov 2020, at 11:28, Gene wrote:

I shall present the long method, to be used the first time, then the short method which you can use unless you find some reason to use the long one.

I haven't used the utility. In NVDA, the object navigator, by default, follows the cursor or the item you move to in a list so you are likely to already be there in terms of where the object navigator is located. Use read current line when you first use the utility to confirm that. While that is the default action, if something is programmed in such a way so that it doesn't happen, it is possible the object nnavigator won't be where it should be. But usually, it should be where you expect.
So do the following:

First, if you have changed to screen review, you must change back to object review. If you haven't, you can omit this step.
Use the command numpad insert numpad 1 until you hear no previous navigation modes or something similar or until you hear object nhavigation. You will then be using the correct navigation, object navigation.
As I said, you need only do this if you have switched to screen review.
Move to the item in the list as usual.
Press numpad 8 to be sure the object navigator is in the right place. You don't have to keep doing that but you want to make sure that in this utility, the object navigator is in the right place when you move with the arrow keys in the list. After you confirm this once, you can omit this check.
Then use numpad insert numpad slash to route the mouse pointer to the navigator object.
Then use numpad star to right click the item.

I shall now present the short way after you have used the long way this first time:
Move to the place you want to be in the list.
Use the command numpad insert, numpad slash.
Then use just numpad star to right click.
If you were left clicking you would use just numpad slash after you routed the mouse pointer with numpad insert numpad slash.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 12:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] input help

Here's a little more context.

Anybody used a little search utility called Bit Che?

In Jaws, after I search for something and focus on an item in the list
of results, I do route Jaws to PC, then Numpad Star to simulate a right
mouse click, then I pick something from the resulting menu that pops up.

I'm trying to do the same thing in NVDA.

Chris

On 2020-11-27 1:38 p.m., Gene wrote:

You must be in the program where the keys apply if they are program specific. If you are in a browser, you can press letter keys and hear announcements such as that x is move to the next check box, c moves to the next combo box, etc.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Don H
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] input help

I tried to use the input help function of NVDA using the insert 1 keys
and find that the input help does not nearly cover all the possible
keys. For example after turning input help on and entering insert f7 it
says nothing even though this is the key combo to get a list of elements
like links on a web page. Is there a way to improve this input help so
it will identify all nva keys?
folder view list

Don H
 

Running latest NVDA on Win 10 20h2. Usually when I first boot my computer and load nvda when going to the desktop I simply hear the title of the icon I am on. However other times nvda says folder view list before saying the name of the icon. What causes this? No big deal just wonder why the difference.
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On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:21 PM, Hettie <woehler.hettie@gmail.com> wrote:


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Re: input help

Gene
 

I shall present the long method, to be used the first time, then the short method which you can use unless you find some reason to use the long one.

I haven't used the utility. In NVDA, the object navigator, by default, follows the cursor or the item you move to in a list so you are likely to already be there in terms of where the object navigator is located. Use read current line when you first use the utility to confirm that. While that is the default action, if something is programmed in such a way so that it doesn't happen, it is possible the object nnavigator won't be where it should be. But usually, it should be where you expect.
So do the following:

First, if you have changed to screen review, you must change back to object review. If you haven't, you can omit this step.
Use the command numpad insert numpad 1 until you hear no previous navigation modes or something similar or until you hear object nhavigation. You will then be using the correct navigation, object navigation.
As I said, you need only do this if you have switched to screen review.
Move to the item in the list as usual.
Press numpad 8 to be sure the object navigator is in the right place. You don't have to keep doing that but you want to make sure that in this utility, the object navigator is in the right place when you move with the arrow keys in the list. After you confirm this once, you can omit this check.
Then use numpad insert numpad slash to route the mouse pointer to the navigator object.
Then use numpad star to right click the item.

I shall now present the short way after you have used the long way this first time:
Move to the place you want to be in the list.
Use the command numpad insert, numpad slash.
Then use just numpad star to right click.
If you were left clicking you would use just numpad slash after you routed the mouse pointer with numpad insert numpad slash.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 12:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] input help

Here's a little more context.

Anybody used a little search utility called Bit Che?


In Jaws, after I search for something and focus on an item in the list
of results, I do route Jaws to PC, then Numpad Star to simulate a right
mouse click, then I pick something from the resulting menu that pops up.


I'm trying to do the same thing in NVDA.


Chris



On 2020-11-27 1:38 p.m., Gene wrote:
You must be in the program where the keys apply if they are program specific. If you are in a browser, you can press letter keys and hear announcements such as that x is move to the next check box, c moves to the next combo box, etc.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Don H
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] input help

I tried to use the input help function of NVDA using the insert 1 keys
and find that the input help does not nearly cover all the possible
keys. For example after turning input help on and entering insert f7 it
says nothing even though this is the key combo to get a list of elements
like links on a web page. Is there a way to improve this input help so
it will identify all nva keys?
Re: NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?

Chris Smart
 

I have the NVDA Basic Training. I just need to sit down and go through it. (grin) then, I'm going to attempt the NVDA certification a second time. I only got 65% the first time, which isn't all that surprising.

On 2020-11-27 1:48 p.m., Gene wrote:
There is object navigation and screen review and you need to know both to get full use of review abilities.  I'm not sure what the best material is that explains how they work.  I'll let others discuss good material for learning.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 12:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?



Ok, thanks David.




I'm relatively new to relying on NVDA for more day-to-day computing tasks, and I still sometimes find myself in situations where it seems things are easier in Jaws. It's usually just a case of me not having ObjectNav figured out yet though.







On 2020-11-27 1:27 p.m., David Griffith wrote:


As far as I can tell it is exactly the same if you are using a numpad.



That is Insert minus or dash depending on how it is announced.

NVDA announces  move to focus which is I think the NVDA equivalent. As NVDA does not have a Jaws cursor function in the same way as Jaws I think it has to be used more with object navigation but I will leave others more qualified to comment on this.

David G.





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From: Chris Smart
Sent: 27 November 2020 18:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?





Hi.



Is there an NVDA equivalent to the Jaws command that routes Jaws cursor

to PC cursor?





thanks



Chris
Re: NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?

Chris Smart
 

Thanks! That did exactly what I was looking for.


Happy Thanksgiving to those celebrating it, and please don't catch or spread Covid.

On 2020-11-27 1:47 p.m., Steve Matzura wrote:
Indeed there is. NVDA Key + Left Mouse Button (Num Pad Slash).


On 11/27/2020 1:15 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
Hi.

Is there an NVDA equivalent to the Jaws command that routes Jaws cursor to PC cursor?


thanks

Chris
Re: input help

Chris Smart
 

Here's a little more context.

Anybody used a little search utility called Bit Che?


In Jaws, after I search for something and focus on an item in the list of results, I do route Jaws to PC, then Numpad Star to simulate a right mouse click, then I pick something from the resulting menu that pops up.


I'm trying to do the same thing in NVDA.


Chris

On 2020-11-27 1:38 p.m., Gene wrote:
You must be in the program where the keys apply if they are program specific. If you are in a browser, you can press letter keys and hear announcements such as that x is move to the next check box, c moves to the next combo box, etc.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Don H
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] input help

I tried to use the input help function of NVDA using the insert 1 keys
and find that the input help does not nearly cover all the possible
keys.  For example after turning input help on and entering insert f7 it
says nothing even though this is the key combo to get a list of elements
like links on a web page.  Is there a way to improve this input help so
it will identify all nva keys?
Re: NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Have a look on the following page it should answer some of your questions like the one you asked.


The link can be found at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/FAQ <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/FAQ>;


gene nz

On 28/11/2020 7:15 am, Chris Smart wrote:
Hi.

Is there an NVDA equivalent to the Jaws command that routes Jaws cursor to PC cursor?


thanks

Chris
Re: NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?

Gene
 

But if you don't know object naviggation and screen review, how they are different and how to use them, you won't understand what you are doing properly when you route. Also, the command you gave is not for routing the object navigator to the cursor. You gave the command for routing the mouse pointer to the position of the object navigator, which is a separate command. We don't know which is being asked about but learning about review and routing is knowledge that is much more likely to be learned and understood well through comprehensive instruction. It is likely to be very difficult if you just pick up this bit of unorganized information here and there.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 12:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?

Indeed there is. NVDA Key + Left Mouse Button (Num Pad Slash).


On 11/27/2020 1:15 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
Hi.

Is there an NVDA equivalent to the Jaws command that routes Jaws cursor to PC cursor?


thanks

Chris
Re: NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?

Gene
 

There is object navigation and screen review and you need to know both to get full use of review abilities. I'm not sure what the best material is that explains how they work. I'll let others discuss good material for learning.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 12:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?



Ok, thanks David.




I'm relatively new to relying on NVDA for more day-to-day computing tasks, and I still sometimes find myself in situations where it seems things are easier in Jaws. It's usually just a case of me not having ObjectNav figured out yet though.







On 2020-11-27 1:27 p.m., David Griffith wrote:


As far as I can tell it is exactly the same if you are using a numpad.



That is Insert minus or dash depending on how it is announced.

NVDA announces move to focus which is I think the NVDA equivalent. As NVDA does not have a Jaws cursor function in the same way as Jaws I think it has to be used more with object navigation but I will leave others more qualified to comment on this.

David G.





Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Chris Smart
Sent: 27 November 2020 18:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?





Hi.



Is there an NVDA equivalent to the Jaws command that routes Jaws cursor

to PC cursor?





thanks



Chris
Re: NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?

Steve Matzura
 

Indeed there is. NVDA Key + Left Mouse Button (Num Pad Slash).

On 11/27/2020 1:15 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
Hi.

Is there an NVDA equivalent to the Jaws command that routes Jaws cursor to PC cursor?


thanks

Chris
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