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Re: NVDA - Inconsistent Behavior when working with MS-Outlook

 

Hmph, well you could have a mangled pst database they like to screw themselves to utter hell.

I don't use this myself but a user has a 3gb database with everything in inbox and unordered.

We got an office tech to help him.

His database is totally corrupted.

Now if only I can convince him to save his older mail or import it to his online google system, set the folders up that way, subscribe to all of them then delete all profiles, databases and accounts and manage it all from the web interface it would be fine.

The guy has imap and at least 3 other android phones and tablets and of course thats all dandy, windows though, happy I use thunderbird with important stuff outside it.

I havn't found a good solution thats accessibal enough to use to really fix a screwed up base but oh well.




On 23/04/2021 2:05 am, Matthew Peters wrote:

Greetings,

 

I am a IT guy trying to find solutions for a colleague who uses NVDA. A quick history. My colleague was first introduced to NVDA about a year ago when his computer was upgraded from Windows XP to Windows 10. This required a new screen reader solution which is when I found NVDA. He started using NVDA with relatively few issues and it was running well for the last year. He predominantly uses the desktop for email and OCR tasks so I had Office 2016 and Kurzweil 1000 installed. Recently his computer needed replacement so I set him up with a new computer with Windows 10 release 19042 and Office 2019. We immediately had issues with Outlook. Most of the issues revolve around opening of the email message. Initially I thought this may be due to the Office 2019 install so I rolled it back to Office 2016. This helped a little but issues still exist. One example that started today rather abruptly was that NVDA would read the header information for the message that was opened but would not read the body. I found that I could get some read by right clicking the mouse then left clicking, but that would only read the line the cursor was on. I’ve tried restarting both NVDA and Outlook as well as the computer without any success. I feel like I may not have Outlook or NVDA configured properly. Could anyone provide some insight on what maybe happening and any steps I could take towards rectifying it?

 

Matt Peters

Network & Systems Administrator

St. Johnsbury Academy

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(802) 751-2390​

 

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Re: suddenly object review quit working like it should

tim
 

Sorry, had to laugh at the use of input help. Never seen that do any except tell you the keys you hit. For example, control + v should say paste, but it just states keys hit. Now it should state its use in all apps, but just keys hit.

Now the one in JFW is at least editable to assign what it don't know.


On 4/21/2021 3:05 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Sarah, first thing I would check is if your keyboard input language hasn't changed by accident - keystroke combinations like either left alt + shift, or windows key + space bar can make this occur if you possibly have more than one language installed under win 10.


Secondly, make sure that if you turn on input help, and then press something like numpad insert + numpad 4, it reports that that keystroke is bound to navigating to the previous navigator object?


Secondly, if you have the obj pad add-on installed, you could try using the NVDA + ctrl + tab keystroke to cycle through it's navigation modes, since when it's set to object navigation mode instead of normal mode, you can use just normal cursor keys to try out forms of object navigation?


Here it is:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/objPad.en.html


Good luck


Jacob Kruger
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Skype: BlindZA
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On 2021-04-21 05:02 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I can’t really describe this, but my pc curser used to follow the object review curser and I could just from anywhere check my objects in any window I was in by default. This quit working about a few days after I installed About NVDA Nonvisual Desktop Access (NVDA)

Version: 2020.4. I tried running the com reg tool twice. That worked but then it would not. I tried restarting nvda, that didn’t work. I mean the restart worked, but the object curser would not move. I would hear “no next object” and “no containing object even in object review. I can’t really restart with add ons disabled as I can’t tab tot eh ok button. It’s also liked my keys are stuck or something. I’ve been having that issue for ever now.

 

I’m running Windows 10 20H2 (64-bit) build 19042.928

 

The restart of nvda takes care of the not able to press tab  but it add ons disabled does not take care of the no containing object. I’m on outlook typing this right now and I try to just for grins navigate with object view and I cannot. I need to try and go up, find the outlook window, navigate by object into it and, it’s a mess. Sometimes that does not even work. I tried changing my display to something smaller and that worked for a bit, but now even that is failing.

 

I thought that this was browser only but now this object thing is happening in every app. Anything else I should try and do before I pull my hair out? Half of the stuff I use I rely on screen and object view, and I can’t even get screen review to work. The cursers no longer follow each other.  Is there a setting I unchecked in NVDA somewhere that I forgot about as well?

 

Take care all.


Re: IPA phonetic symbol

 

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 12:14 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
It’s probably possible, but you will need a software keyboard overlay  to input them
Not if you use the unicode file already put together by the professor from Rice University.
 
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Re: Screen tips for Outlook email links

Vaibhav Saraf
 

No I don't know the command you are referring to.

I suspect that functionality is not properly functional. I did a tryout and then inspected the code but did not found the Screen tip text I had put in the code.

Thanks,
Vaibhav


On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 at 00:22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I don't know but you can experiment by being on the link, then moving the
mouse to the link and see what happens.  Do you know the mouse movement
command?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Vaibhav Saraf
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 10:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Screen tips for Outlook email links


Hi Group,

I got to know today that we can add 'Screen tip' with each link while
composing an email on Outlook. This tip will become visible as a tooltip
when one hovers over the link text.

Is there a way to listen to that tip using NVDA?

Thanks,
Vaibhav









Re: IPA phonetic symbol

Sarah k Alawami
 

It’s probably possible, but you will need a software keyboard overlay  to input them in. I would have all symbols on. I took a diction class many many years ago and that’s how we did this.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marco Oros
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 4:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] IPA phonetic symbol

 

I don't know. I think, that It is impossible.

 

Dňa 22. 4. 2021 o 12:58 farhan israk napísal(a):

How can I read IPA phonetic symbol using talk back or nvda?


Re: NVDA - Inconsistent Behavior when working with MS-Outlook

Vaibhav Saraf
 

Hi Matt,

Does the NVDA announce 'actionable message' when your colleague taps down to the message body from the header? (after load)

I use Office 365 but this occurs sometimes with me especially on auto-generated mails which take a while to load. 

If I start moving my keys instantly on those messages I will get a similar issue, but if I wait a few secs and let it load properly it renders fine.

Thanks,
Vaibhav



On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 at 19:43, Matthew Peters <mpeters@...> wrote:

Greetings,

 

I am a IT guy trying to find solutions for a colleague who uses NVDA. A quick history. My colleague was first introduced to NVDA about a year ago when his computer was upgraded from Windows XP to Windows 10. This required a new screen reader solution which is when I found NVDA. He started using NVDA with relatively few issues and it was running well for the last year. He predominantly uses the desktop for email and OCR tasks so I had Office 2016 and Kurzweil 1000 installed. Recently his computer needed replacement so I set him up with a new computer with Windows 10 release 19042 and Office 2019. We immediately had issues with Outlook. Most of the issues revolve around opening of the email message. Initially I thought this may be due to the Office 2019 install so I rolled it back to Office 2016. This helped a little but issues still exist. One example that started today rather abruptly was that NVDA would read the header information for the message that was opened but would not read the body. I found that I could get some read by right clicking the mouse then left clicking, but that would only read the line the cursor was on. I’ve tried restarting both NVDA and Outlook as well as the computer without any success. I feel like I may not have Outlook or NVDA configured properly. Could anyone provide some insight on what maybe happening and any steps I could take towards rectifying it?

 

Matt Peters

Network & Systems Administrator

St. Johnsbury Academy

mpeters@...

(802) 751-2390​

 

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Re: NVDA not reading column headings in Excel tables

Lars Holm Sørensen <lhs@...>
 

Hi Brian

 

Yes I am aware of this method to define column and row headings. I just do not understand why this method is necessary for having column headings announced in a simple table in Excel. Both Jaws and Narrater (I think) will announce Excel table column headings without first manually defining them.

 

Anyway thanks a lot for your reply Brian.

 

BR:

Lars

 

 

 

 

 

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Fra: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> På vegne af Brian Vogel via groups.io
Sendt: 22. april 2021 16:12
Til: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Emne: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading column headings in Excel tables

 

See message number 511, by Alan Lemley in the Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group in the topic entitled, Reading row and column headers using Excel defined titles tutorial.

It may help here.
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Re: NVDA not reading column headings in Excel tables

 

Also have a look at the topic on this group entitled, Is there a way to turn off announcement of table column and row headings?.  It's the flip-side of your issue and the settings mentioned are toggled either on or off.
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NVDA - Inconsistent Behavior when working with MS-Outlook

Matthew Peters
 

Greetings,

 

I am a IT guy trying to find solutions for a colleague who uses NVDA. A quick history. My colleague was first introduced to NVDA about a year ago when his computer was upgraded from Windows XP to Windows 10. This required a new screen reader solution which is when I found NVDA. He started using NVDA with relatively few issues and it was running well for the last year. He predominantly uses the desktop for email and OCR tasks so I had Office 2016 and Kurzweil 1000 installed. Recently his computer needed replacement so I set him up with a new computer with Windows 10 release 19042 and Office 2019. We immediately had issues with Outlook. Most of the issues revolve around opening of the email message. Initially I thought this may be due to the Office 2019 install so I rolled it back to Office 2016. This helped a little but issues still exist. One example that started today rather abruptly was that NVDA would read the header information for the message that was opened but would not read the body. I found that I could get some read by right clicking the mouse then left clicking, but that would only read the line the cursor was on. I’ve tried restarting both NVDA and Outlook as well as the computer without any success. I feel like I may not have Outlook or NVDA configured properly. Could anyone provide some insight on what maybe happening and any steps I could take towards rectifying it?

 

Matt Peters

Network & Systems Administrator

St. Johnsbury Academy

mpeters@...

(802) 751-2390​

 

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Re: NVDA not reading column headings in Excel tables

 

See message number 511, by Alan Lemley in the Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group in the topic entitled, Reading row and column headers using Excel defined titles tutorial.

It may help here.
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       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Re: IPA phonetic symbol

 

See the topic in the JAWS Group:  JAWS and International Phonetic Alphabet
paying specific attention to this message from member Nermin:  https://jfw.groups.io/g/main/topic/27829868#64772 

The technique would be analogous in NVDA, though you'd have to do the grunt work for the initial setup.
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NVDA not reading column headings in Excel tables

lhs@...
 

Hi all

 

When I create tables, e.g. with “Ctrl + t” in Excel and mark that the table has column headings, I would expect that NVDA should read these column headings when navigating the table. Yet my NVDA just read the cell content and not the column headings. For the same table my Jaws do read the column headings when navigating horizontal in the table.

Am my expectation wrong, when I expect NVDA to read the column headings or do I miss a setting somewhere?

 

BR:

Lars

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lars Holm Sørensen

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Re: IPA phonetic symbol

Marco Oros
 

I don't know. I think, that It is impossible.


Dňa 22. 4. 2021 o 12:58 farhan israk napísal(a):

How can I read IPA phonetic symbol using talk back or nvda?


IPA phonetic symbol

farhan israk
 

How can I read IPA phonetic symbol using talk back or nvda?


Re: PowerPoint: reading tables in presentation view

Fawaz Abdul rahman
 

Hi, in the presentation mode unfortunately  NVDA ignores many objects, like it is not even there, on the other hand, you have to use presentation mode to read the slide notes with ctrl shift s.

Furthermore, if the file is in the protected mode, you have to battle to get it reading, what I do is that I  move the mouse with nvda+ numpad divide, then I press right click (numpad star).

However this works sometimes and sometimes I have to close and reopen etc, others just disable the protected mode.

Thanks.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Pranav Lal
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 6:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] PowerPoint: reading tables in presentation view

 

Hi all,

 

I second third and whatever number that request for better powwerpoint support. I need to use the program all the time and NVDA’s support is significantly lacking. I have not tried jaws and narrator.

 

One problem is tables as has already been highlighted in this thread. The next issue is the reporting of object and slide alignment. I need to know if all elements on a slide are visible. Yes, we do get that announcement but suppose I have a table obscured by a picture, where should I move the picture to make sure that both the table and picture are visible?

 

The last issue is playing media in slide show mode. I cannot activate any media in slide show mode.

 

There is training material on Powerpoint from nvaccess but it does not cover the above points.

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Pilz
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 2:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] PowerPoint: reading tables in presentation view

 

Thank you, Ben and Eilana.

 

I agree, I think it would be good if we had better PowerPoint support. When I went to uni 10-15 years ago, I hardly ever had to use PowerPoint. Now I started another course and have to work through several presentations a week. And may be in business contexts, PowerPoint has been more widely used for a longer time.

 

Regards

 

Sandra

Am 21.04.2021 um 06:19 schrieb Eilana Benish:

I also use JAWS as secondary screen reader

but JAWS does not read headings on my presentation. and I have title place Holder shape in each slide.

Also it seems that JAWS reads bulleted text as  graphics

Both NVDA and JAWS should recognize when the object is a shape with text in that shape, and when it is a picture…

And sometimes when I am moving with down arrow between slides in edit mode JAWS announces with each slide  the slide number and then the words know selection.

Come to think of it there are more issues regarding PowerPoint and I hope that JAWS and NVDA will improve the user experience in Microsoft PowerPoint.

 

 

 

בתאריך יום ג׳, 20 באפר׳ 2021 ב-23:02 מאת <‪benmoxey@...‏>:

Hi Sandra

 

I’m pretty sure this is a current limitation. Happy to be corrected. *smile*

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Pilz
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 2:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] PowerPoint: reading tables in presentation view

 

Hi,

 

I use Office 365. When I open a presentation and activate presentation mode pressing F5, NVDA will not recognise tables, headings and so on where JAWS does. It would be helpful if I could read tables with NVDA in Presentation Mode, is this possible at all?

 

Regards

 

Sandra



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Re: Question about compatibility of "Clock and calendar add-on"

Louise Pfau
 

I appologize for any confusion.  I think that most of the add-ons I have are compatible with the latest version of NVDA , and they were listed as being compatible with NVDA 2019.3 or later.  I don’t know if “Add-on Updater” will let me install the “Clock and Calendar” add-on because of compatibility.
 
Thanks,
 
Louise


Re: PowerPoint: reading tables in presentation view

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

 

I second third and whatever number that request for better powwerpoint support. I need to use the program all the time and NVDA’s support is significantly lacking. I have not tried jaws and narrator.

 

One problem is tables as has already been highlighted in this thread. The next issue is the reporting of object and slide alignment. I need to know if all elements on a slide are visible. Yes, we do get that announcement but suppose I have a table obscured by a picture, where should I move the picture to make sure that both the table and picture are visible?

 

The last issue is playing media in slide show mode. I cannot activate any media in slide show mode.

 

There is training material on Powerpoint from nvaccess but it does not cover the above points.

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Pilz
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 2:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] PowerPoint: reading tables in presentation view

 

Thank you, Ben and Eilana.

 

I agree, I think it would be good if we had better PowerPoint support. When I went to uni 10-15 years ago, I hardly ever had to use PowerPoint. Now I started another course and have to work through several presentations a week. And may be in business contexts, PowerPoint has been more widely used for a longer time.

 

Regards

 

Sandra

Am 21.04.2021 um 06:19 schrieb Eilana Benish:

I also use JAWS as secondary screen reader

but JAWS does not read headings on my presentation. and I have title place Holder shape in each slide.

Also it seems that JAWS reads bulleted text as  graphics

Both NVDA and JAWS should recognize when the object is a shape with text in that shape, and when it is a picture…

And sometimes when I am moving with down arrow between slides in edit mode JAWS announces with each slide  the slide number and then the words know selection.

Come to think of it there are more issues regarding PowerPoint and I hope that JAWS and NVDA will improve the user experience in Microsoft PowerPoint.

 

 

 

בתאריך יום ג׳, 20 באפר׳ 2021 ב-23:02 מאת <‪benmoxey@...‏>:

Hi Sandra

 

I’m pretty sure this is a current limitation. Happy to be corrected. *smile*

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Pilz
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 2:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] PowerPoint: reading tables in presentation view

 

Hi,

 

I use Office 365. When I open a presentation and activate presentation mode pressing F5, NVDA will not recognise tables, headings and so on where JAWS does. It would be helpful if I could read tables with NVDA in Presentation Mode, is this possible at all?

 

Regards

 

Sandra



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Re: Question about compatibility of "Clock and calendar add-on"

 

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 02:21 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:
Will there be updates to make it compatible with the latest version of NVDA?
-
Anything that is on the NVDA Stable Add-Ons page should be compatible with whatever the current version of NVDA happens to be.  There are plenty of times where the lines about the versions a given add-on will work with do not get updated in a timely manner.  But it is my understanding that the add-ons are tested as a part of the natural testing for NVDA as it's being developed, and if a given add-on doesn't work its developer will "have their cage rattled" to fix it and, if not fixed, it will be pulled from the stable add-ons page.  I'm sure I'll be corrected on that if it's wrong.

But anything compatible with 2019 should remain compatible with 2020, dot numbers not relevant in this case.
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Re: PowerPoint: reading tables in presentation view

Sandra Pilz
 

Thank you, Ben and Eilana.


I agree, I think it would be good if we had better PowerPoint support. When I went to uni 10-15 years ago, I hardly ever had to use PowerPoint. Now I started another course and have to work through several presentations a week. And may be in business contexts, PowerPoint has been more widely used for a longer time.


Regards


Sandra

Am 21.04.2021 um 06:19 schrieb Eilana Benish:

I also use JAWS as secondary screen reader

but JAWS does not read headings on my presentation. and I have title place Holder shape in each slide.

Also it seems that JAWS reads bulleted text as  graphics

Both NVDA and JAWS should recognize when the object is a shape with text in that shape, and when it is a picture…

And sometimes when I am moving with down arrow between slides in edit mode JAWS announces with each slide  the slide number and then the words know selection.

Come to think of it there are more issues regarding PowerPoint and I hope that JAWS and NVDA will improve the user experience in Microsoft PowerPoint.




‫בתאריך יום ג׳, 20 באפר׳ 2021 ב-23:02 מאת <‪benmoxey@...‬‏>:‬

Hi Sandra

 

I’m pretty sure this is a current limitation. Happy to be corrected. *smile*

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Pilz
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 2:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] PowerPoint: reading tables in presentation view

 

Hi,

 

I use Office 365. When I open a presentation and activate presentation mode pressing F5, NVDA will not recognise tables, headings and so on where JAWS does. It would be helpful if I could read tables with NVDA in Presentation Mode, is this possible at all?

 

Regards

 

Sandra



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Re: PDF: Alternate Text and Description of tables

Sandra Pilz
 

Hi Ben,


Thank you for asking your friend about this. I have done the same and my friend using Adobe DC Pro said she couldn't see the tags in the PDF. Strange that our friends are saying different things. Anyway, before I read your mail, I wrote to Microsoft and will report back if they say anything interesting.


Regards


Sandra



Am 20.04.2021 um 21:58 schrieb benmoxey@...:

Hi Sandra

 

I got in touch with a sighted friend who specialises in accessible PDFs. Interestingly, the table alt text is exporting from Word (she can see it in the PDF document), but none of the screen readers are picking it up. It does appear to be a current limitation.

 

If you end up calling Microsoft, would be interested to hear what they say. 😊

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Pilz
Sent: Sunday, 18 April 2021 6:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] PDF: Alternate Text and Description of tables

 

Hi Ben,

 

Thank you for checking this again. Until you said it worked for you, I also thought that the table alt text and the description might not be included in the PDF export. Now I know I can stop looking for what might be wrong on my side. :)

 

Still, it would be interesting to know if it is that he tags are not included in the PDF or if NVDA just doesn't support this in pdf...

 

Also thank you for your suggestions for a workaround.

 

By the way, I'm also dealing with PowerPoint documents where alt text for tables also either is not exported to PDF or doesn't work with NVDA. Maybe, just out of curiosity, I'll contact Microsoft about it just to see if they aware of this.

 

Thanks again.

 

Regards

 

 

Sandra

 

 

Am 18.04.2021 um 06:44 schrieb benmoxey@...:

Hi Sandra

 

I’m really sorry. I just read your reply and checked again.

 

What I didn’t notice during my quick look yesterday is that my Adobe Acrobat Reader DC 64 was immediately crashing when I opened the PDF I’d just created and I was being placed back in the Word document. Therefore, I was hearing the table title and long description, but I was back in Word. Please excuse me.

 

I haven’t been able to review the issue today because I can’t get my Acrobat Reader DC 64 to run while NVDA or Narrator is running. I’ve tried on two machines.

 

Interested to know if anyone else has any feedback or suggestions. However, if you have the accessibility tags checked, I’ll bet it’s an export limitation.

 

As an effective work-around, you could place the table title above the table using the appropriate heading level. This will enable easy navigation and a clear indication of the information that follows. If a long description is require to ensure the user will understand the table, place this in-between the heading and the table. That way, you can be sure it will be easily accessible for everyone.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Pilz
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 6:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] PDF: Alternate Text and Description of tables

 

Hi Ben,

 

Thanks for checking this for me.

 

However, I do have the accessibility tags option checked. I have updated both Office and Acrobat Reader DC. I am also using Office 365

 

I have now opened the exported PDF in Word again to see if word would still show the alt text and the table description. It didn't. It didn't even show the heading of the document, this is the main heading not a header of the table. However, the heading was present in Acrobat Reader, so I don't really understand what's going on here...

 

Do you have any idea what else I might check?

 

Thank you.

 

Regards

 

Sandra

Am 16.04.2021 um 22:37 schrieb benmoxey@...:

Hi Sandra

 

I just tested this and the alt text title and long description for the table are present in the PDF.

 

In the export options, ensure “Document structure tags for accessibility” is checked. Note that I am using Microsoft 365, so the tags added to the PDF may have been enhanced since 2016.

 

Regarding the long description, if this information is essential for the user to understand the table’s contents, I recommend including it in the main body of the document, above the table. Many screen reader users will not know how to access the long description, so this approach ensures the information is easy to find.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Pilz
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 2:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] PDF: Alternive Text and Desciption of tables

 

Hello,

 

I have written a Word Document which has a table. In the table properties, I have added an alternative text and a description of the table. When I read the table in Word, NVDA will read the alternative text as well as the description. When I export the document to PDF, NVDA will neither read the alternative text nor the description. Is this because NVDA doesn't support this in Adobe DC, or is it that Word doesn't include the alternative text and table description?

 

The same is true for tables created in PowerPoint, when the files are exported to PDF.

 

Regards

 

Sandra

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