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Re: NVDACon 20 - next session at 5 pm UTC with Sheri Byrne Haber from VMware

molly the blind tech lover
 

I am really looking forward to this next session as I will be using VMware for school next semester.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2020 10:01 AM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDACon 20 - next session at 5 pm UTC with Sheri Byrne Haber from VMware

 

Hey all,

 

Interested in automated accessibility testing?

We have a great session for you today at 5 pm UTC, about 2 hours from now.!

The well known company VMware presents Augmenting Automated Accessibility Testing with ML!

 

Sheri Byrne Haber from VMware talks with us about a toolkit that is about to be released. It is an open source machine-learning based tool

to augment WAVE automated accessibility testing results. "We have identified 31 areas of WCAG testing that can be reviewed using natural

language processing, image processing, and pattern recognition." Sheri says.

 

Installation instructions and video descriptions will also be included within the session.

 

Don't miss this one!

 

 

Best

Adriani

 


NVDACon 20 - next session at 5 pm UTC with Sheri Byrne Haber from VMware

Adriani Botez
 

Hey all,

 

Interested in automated accessibility testing?

We have a great session for you today at 5 pm UTC, about 2 hours from now.!

The well known company VMware presents Augmenting Automated Accessibility Testing with ML!

 

Sheri Byrne Haber from VMware talks with us about a toolkit that is about to be released. It is an open source machine-learning based tool

to augment WAVE automated accessibility testing results. "We have identified 31 areas of WCAG testing that can be reviewed using natural

language processing, image processing, and pattern recognition." Sheri says.

 

Installation instructions and video descriptions will also be included within the session.

 

Don't miss this one!

 

 

Best

Adriani

 


Re: NVDACon20 - live stream

Blaster
 

Thank you for the streming option, as I don't have team talk installed on my pc.

Your Awesome!
Blaster

On 12/5/20, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all,



you don't have time to join the conference or don't have the possibility to
install teamtalk? No problem, you can listen to the conference just live by
klicking on this link and opening the file in Windows media player or any
other player that supports streaming files, i.e. google Crome.

http://firestormhosting.net:8000/nvdacon.m3u



Best regards

Adriani











NVDACon20 - live stream

Adriani Botez
 

Dear all,

 

you don’t have time to join the conference or don’t have the possibility to install teamtalk? No problem, you can listen to the conference just live by klicking on this link and opening the file in Windows media player or any other player that supports streaming files, i.e. google Crome.

http://firestormhosting.net:8000/nvdacon.m3u

 

Best regards

Adriani

 

 


NVDACon20 session - join us right now to hear more about qualitative data coding in Excel

Adriani Botez
 

Dear all,

 

are you coping with statistics and data analysis in your day to day activities? Then this session might be of interest of you. Come and join us just now while Ayne is talking about qualitative data coding in MS Excel.

 

Best

Adriani

 


Re: NVDACon20 - next informal discussion forum will start in about 25 minutes

Nimer Jaber
 

Great discussion, thank you for all the involvement! Definitely got a lot of this forum. Unfortunately, bedtime for me.


On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 12:41 AM Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote:

Good morning, good afternoon, good evening! Since we have all time zones here...

 

Come and join us at NVDACon 2020 in 25 minutes when the next informal discussion forum will start!

 

Let's bridge the distance!

 

And don’t forget to respect the rules, treat everyone with respect and kindness.If you have critics, please formulate it in a constructive way, so that we can take the key points and appropriate actions!

 

Thank you and best regards

Adriani

 



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NVDA and terminal

Afik Souffir
 


From: Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...>
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 6:46 AM
To: NVDA Mailing List
Subject: NVDA and terminal
 


Hi,
As part of my work, i need to connect via terminal, at Strauss Group.

When loading the Terminal from my laptop, NVDA is not speak and nothing shows in Braille.

What do i have to do for this to work?

Thanks for any help
Afik Souffir


NVDACon20 - next informal discussion forum will start in about 25 minutes

Adriani Botez
 

Good morning, good afternoon, good evening! Since we have all time zones here...

 

Come and join us at NVDACon 2020 in 25 minutes when the next informal discussion forum will start!

 

Let's bridge the distance!

 

And don’t forget to respect the rules, treat everyone with respect and kindness.If you have critics, please formulate it in a constructive way, so that we can take the key points and appropriate actions!

 

Thank you and best regards

Adriani

 


Re: ribbon menues

 

i agree.
i believe that nvda is the best screen reader.
but virtual ribbon menu is one advantage of jaws over nvda.
i even dont like start menu of newer windows.
i like only start menu of windows xp
and if i should use another windows, i prefer to use classicshell or
methods to bring classic start menu of xp to newer versions .
i even tested ribbon menu of windows ten remotely with nvda remote and
could not learn and use it.

On 12/5/20, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:
I have learned to work with ribbon menues. Having said that I really
like the virtual ribbon menu function when using jaws. Would really
like to see this virtual ribbon function added to NVDA.






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with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: shortcut to list data filled cells in EXCEL

Aschalew Byness
 

Yes Bryan
you are right. I want an nvda shortcut to generate data-filled cell
like control+shift+d in jaws. as you mention, control+down works; but,
it is used to see data in one column at a time.

On 12/5/20, benmoxey@gmail.com <benmoxey@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Aschalew

There is no equivalent command in NVDA.

Cheers

Ben

On 5 Dec 2020, at 2:26 am, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi friends
I badly need a nvda keystrokes to see data filled cells in EXCEL. in
other words, I need an NVDA version of control+shift+d in jaws.










Re: ribbon menues

Gene
 

Here is the article I mentioned in my last message. It discusses problems with the ribbon menu interface itself as well as why it isn't necessary.
https://blindtechnology.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/microsoft-ribbon-is-accessible/

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2020 6:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ribbon menues

That's a terrible idea. For one thing, the special interface causes
problems and inefficiencies. For another, it is not difficult for most
users, with proper instruction, to learn real ribbons and the JAWS
developers did blind people no favor convincing many that ribbons are just
too unwieldy and inaccessible for blind people to use. That is just
absolute nonsense. For a third reason, tutorials for blind users and
instructions for sighted users use the real ribbons. The amount someone is
limiting themselves by using the special interface is staggering.

There are times when special interfaces may be justified but the
justification must really be substantial, which isn't the case here.

I may still have a book mark to a detailed discussion about problems caused
by the ribbon menu interface in terms of inefficiency. I'll send the web
page address if I can find it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Don H
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2020 5:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] ribbon menues

I have learned to work with ribbon menues. Having said that I really
like the virtual ribbon menu function when using jaws. Would really
like to see this virtual ribbon function added to NVDA.


Re: shortcut to list data filled cells in EXCEL

benmoxey@...
 

Hi Aschalew

There is no equivalent command in NVDA.

Cheers

Ben

On 5 Dec 2020, at 2:26 am, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi friends
I badly need a nvda keystrokes to see data filled cells in EXCEL. in
other words, I need an NVDA version of control+shift+d in jaws.





Re: ribbon menues

 

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 07:02 PM, Gene wrote:
There are times when special interfaces may be justified but the justification must really be substantial, which isn't the case here.
-
Amen to that!  In addition, they generally end up hobbling the user's ability to use the native interface and, unless you're lucky enough to never have to use any computer besides your own, it's not likely that other computers will have those special interfaces.

I have been very happy that NVDA has avoided creating interfaces that are, in my opinion, completely unnecessary.  Improved convenience of use when the native interface is entirely useable is not sufficient justification for creating a special interface.

I dislike things like Open Shell and Start10 because both make it possible to avoid learning a now not-at-all-new Windows 10 user interface, which is not, in actuality, all that much different than it's ever been in Windows 7 and earlier.
 
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Re: ribbon menues

Gene
 

That's a terrible idea. For one thing, the special interface causes problems and inefficiencies. For another, it is not difficult for most users, with proper instruction, to learn real ribbons and the JAWS developers did blind people no favor convincing many that ribbons are just too unwieldy and inaccessible for blind people to use. That is just absolute nonsense. For a third reason, tutorials for blind users and instructions for sighted users use the real ribbons. The amount someone is limiting themselves by using the special interface is staggering.

There are times when special interfaces may be justified but the justification must really be substantial, which isn't the case here.

I may still have a book mark to a detailed discussion about problems caused by the ribbon menu interface in terms of inefficiency. I'll send the web page address if I can find it.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Don H
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2020 5:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] ribbon menues

I have learned to work with ribbon menues. Having said that I really
like the virtual ribbon menu function when using jaws. Would really
like to see this virtual ribbon function added to NVDA.


ribbon menues

Don H
 

I have learned to work with ribbon menues. Having said that I really like the virtual ribbon menu function when using jaws. Would really like to see this virtual ribbon function added to NVDA.


Re: Changing the Email Address for Your Groups.io Account #adminnotice

Kevin Cussick
 

thanks, will save this just encase.

On 04/12/2020 19:06, Brian Vogel wrote:
Hello All,
          Every once in a while I post tutorials on how to use features of Groups.io that can make your life much easier.  In this case, it's when you want to change the e-mail address associated with your Groups.io account.   If you're subscribed to only one or two Groups.io groups, then the old unsubscribe-resubscribe method using the new address is fine, but if you're subscribed to many groups this gets old, fast.  It also means that you will end up being put back on first message moderated status for all those groups where you unsubscribed and resubscribed, because Groups.io has no idea that this is a change for an existing user, and treats you as a brand new user of Groups.io.
           If you want to change the e-mail address associated with your Groups.io Account, and by extension that means for all the groups you've subscribed to using that address, then try these instructions after you download and review them:
Changing the Email Address for Your Groups.io Account <https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&;id=1f3zlutbqRJ10rIIOLQitJJyz9LtmqhnQ> (docx)
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NVDACon starts in 7 minutes

Adriani Botez
 

Dear all,

 

come and join us in 7 minutes when the opening forum of NVDACon 2020 starts. Follow this link to find out how to join!

https://www.nvdacon.org/how-to-join-us

 

 

Best

Adriani

 


Re: shortcut to list data filled cells in EXCEL

 

Just to be clear, are you saying that JAWS has a command in its Excel script that allows you to generate a list of all cells in a worksheet that have data in them, and to navigate that list directly?

I know how to jump to the next cell with data in it from wherever I am (and it works down columns then, I believe, jumps to the next column when the last populated cell in a given column has been reached, but I can't remember having done that jump in a very long time).  CTRL+Down Arrow jumps to the next cell with data in it.
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Changing the Email Address for Your Groups.io Account #adminnotice

 

Hello All,

          Every once in a while I post tutorials on how to use features of Groups.io that can make your life much easier.  In this case, it's when you want to change the e-mail address associated with your Groups.io account.   If you're subscribed to only one or two Groups.io groups, then the old unsubscribe-resubscribe method using the new address is fine, but if you're subscribed to many groups this gets old, fast.  It also means that you will end up being put back on first message moderated status for all those groups where you unsubscribed and resubscribed, because Groups.io has no idea that this is a change for an existing user, and treats you as a brand new user of Groups.io.

           If you want to change the e-mail address associated with your Groups.io Account, and by extension that means for all the groups you've subscribed to using that address, then try these instructions after you download and review them:

Changing the Email Address for Your Groups.io Account (docx)
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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: NVDA Verbosity for Grouping and sorting messages in Outlook - Can it be changed?

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

To reduce the announcements in the message list go to the document settings with NVDA-Control-D, press alt-t twice to find the table section and disable announcements of tables, table headings and cell coordinates.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Donnerstag, 3. Dezember 2020 18:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Grouping and sorting messages in Outlook

 

I can't help you with Outlook, but I just wanted to mention that this is one of the annoyances that prompted me to look for an alternative email client - and that's how I found Thunderbird. In terms of verbosity it is much better. So if you are not bound to outlook, fwiw you can consider Thunderbird as well.

--Tony

On 11/4/2020 10:14 AM, Josh Miele wrote:

Folks:

I'm looking for advice on reducing the verbosity of the message grouping info in Microsoft outlook.

As you navigate through messages, tasks, notes, or any other Outlook items that have been sorted and grouped, there is an extremely long announcement that happens whenever you transition from one group to another. Groups can be date ranges, priority flags, labels, etc. depending on how you've sorted your items. Sometimes the grouping info actually seems to be spoken twice which makes it even worse. The final frustration of the problem is that the relevant information about the newly selected Outlook item is spoken after the grouping information, which means you need to sit through a flood of overly-verbose and redundant TTS before you can get to the info ab out the current item.

For example, inbox messages are grouped by "today," "Yesterday," "last week," etc. If you're arrowing down through the message list, the info about each message is spoken as it is selected (e.g., subject, sender, arrival time, etc.). However, when you arrow from the first message of Today to the last message from Yesterday, NVDA speaks a bunch of info about the newly selected group before speaking the expected message info. Depending on the grouping and sorting criteria, this can be quite a bit of verbiage...

A relatively tame example of a grouping message is: "Group by: Expanded: Date: Yesterday grouping Group by: Expanded: Date: Yesterday Selected: Expanded" These messages can be much longer if you've sorted by criteria in addition to date.

Obviously we need access to the info about these groupings, but I find the way it's presented to be extremely frustrating. Can anybody tell me how to reduce this verbosity or to improve the user experience with this?

BTW, I recently installed the Outlook Extended add-on which is really cool. I was hoping the authors might have included some mechanism for managing this problem, but unfortunately not yet.

Best to all!

--JAM

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