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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 19.07.2 #addonrelease

 

Hi,
I believe this can be queried via Settings/Devices/Bluetooth unless I'm wrong.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Austin Pinto
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 11:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.07.2 #AddonRelease

joseph.
as the latest fast ring insider builds have made the level of battery remaining for bluetooth devices accessible can you add a shortcut key in your addon which will tell how much battery is remaining on connected headphone?

On 7/23/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,



Windows 10 App Essentials 19.07.2 is now available. As noted
previously, this version is the last release to support Windows 10
Version 1803; in addition, it'll be the last one to support NVDA
2018.4. Thus, I have delayed version 19.08 (requiring Windows 10
Version 1809 and NVDA 2019.1) until early August so folks can have
plenty of time to obtain this version.



In case you can't find it anywhere (including Add-on Updater), the
direct link to this version is:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/download/19.07/wintenA
pps-19
.07.2.nvda-addon



Cheers,

Joseph





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Re: Giving the right amount of feedback

Gene
 

I was referring to the message below yours, which I should have specified.  While I don't know why the command was used either, and I didn't mean to imply that it is for the reason I gave, that is a good result of using that command, its always consistent and I see no reason to assume the other reason. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving the right amount of feedback

Gene,
It is a bad idea to assume motivations or reasoning with no evidence. And the reason you assume makes no logical sense.
 
So the control NVDA f is a good command for find in browse mode.
I'm not sure whether you are talking to me but if you are, I'm 100% ok with the NVDA Find command as it is now!  Apparently, Tyler suggested it to be changed. For me, it's even better to keep it as it is :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 19.07.2 #addonrelease

Austin Pinto <austinpinto.xaviers@...>
 

joseph.
as the latest fast ring insider builds have made the level of battery
remaining for bluetooth devices accessible can you add a shortcut key
in your addon which will tell how much battery is remaining on
connected headphone?

On 7/23/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,



Windows 10 App Essentials 19.07.2 is now available. As noted previously,
this version is the last release to support Windows 10 Version 1803; in
addition, it'll be the last one to support NVDA 2018.4. Thus, I have
delayed
version 19.08 (requiring Windows 10 Version 1809 and NVDA 2019.1) until
early August so folks can have plenty of time to obtain this version.



In case you can't find it anywhere (including Add-on Updater), the direct
link to this version is:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/download/19.07/wintenApps-19
.07.2.nvda-addon



Cheers,

Joseph




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Re: Giving the right amount of feedback

 

Gene,
It is a bad idea to assume motivations or reasoning with no evidence. And the reason you assume makes no logical sense.
 
So the control NVDA f is a good command for find in browse mode.
I'm not sure whether you are talking to me but if you are, I'm 100% ok with the NVDA Find command as it is now!  Apparently, Tyler suggested it to be changed. For me, it's even better to keep it as it is :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: Giving the right amount of feedback

Gene
 

I really doubt this was done to avoid stopping the inaccessible control f find command presented by browsers.  Consider that if you are reading e-mail in HTML and you want to forward a message, setting control f to browse mode find would cause problems.  In Windows Live Mail, using JAWS, if you issue the forward command while a message is opened,, that is control f for forward, the message automatically closes and the message to be forwarded comes up.  Therefore, while reading mail as HTML, you have to use JAWS key f for JAWS find.  So if someone is used to using control f while reading material in HTML, you now have to use a different command when reading a message for find.  For consistency, NVDA always uses the same command for HTML find because it doesn't conflict with any other command in other programs.  NVDA f is an NVDA command and other programs, that aren't screen-readers, wouldn't use it. 
 
It is a bad idea to assume motivations or reasoning with no evidence.  And the reason you assume makes no logical sense.
 
So the control NVDA f is a good command for find in browse mode.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving the right amount of feedback

Tyler,
I can confirm some of these things you said on your message, specially items 3 and 5.

3. NVDA uses a keyboard hook to intercept all keys. Sometimes it gets into a state where it doesn't pass the keys anywhere.
the result of this is your keyboard no longer works, except for win+l and ctrl+alt+delete. If you press ctrl+alt+delete, you might think you can launch task manager.
As soon as you do, you're back on your normal desktop with NVDA still capturing the keyboard.
The only thing you can do is sign out, losing some or all of your work, or figure out how to kill NVDA either with a second account or with a non-keyboard-based solution.
It used to happen with me quite a while ago. If I'm not going wrong I even posted about it and someone suggested that it could be a problem with my system, something that I was thinking as well, so I just accepted it.
I never thought about using a second account to close NVDA when such a thing happens but this seems like a good solution if it ever happens again. I'll remember it :)

5. If a program stops responding, NVDA goes with it. Take Event Viewer.
View one event's details with enter. From there, press escape and be prepared to figure out how to get NVDA back, because it's most likely going to stop speaking.
Well, usually in such cases I will just do a CTRL+ALT+N and I'm all set again. I would love if everything were too easy :)

6. We know that in notepad, WordPad, Microsoft Word, and other applications, we can press ctrl+f to find things.
However, in browsers, we need to use ctrl+NVDA+f. Why? Because NVDA doesn't want to override the inaccessible browser find dialog.
Ok, this is something I definitely remember posting about, right here. Then someone said they could use the CTRL+F command everywhere and NVDA works just fine, and I'm trying to find out what's the magic behind it until now. Glad to know I'm not alone on this :)

Now, although I've confirmed these points, I don't blame the NVDA developers for all of this. Maybe fixing these things isn't something too easy and since I'm only a user, with very little knowledge about programming, I don't have a clue of the complexity behind it. So maybe we could try and see their side as well, after all despite some annoyances here and there nowadays we have NVDA as an excellent screen reader, and its success among the blind folks only goes to prove it.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Windows 10 App Essentials 19.07.2 #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 19.07.2 is now available. As noted previously, this version is the last release to support Windows 10 Version 1803; in addition, it’ll be the last one to support NVDA 2018.4. Thus, I have delayed version 19.08 (requiring Windows 10 Version 1809 and NVDA 2019.1) until early August so folks can have plenty of time to obtain this version.

 

In case you can’t find it anywhere (including Add-on Updater), the direct link to this version is:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/download/19.07/wintenApps-19.07.2.nvda-addon

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: best site for addons

 

Sam asked:
How do you add the emoticons?
If you are using Windows 10, take a look at this post, made by Joseph on the Win 10 Forum. It will teach you a lot if not everything about the Windows 10 Emoji Panel.

Now, to keep it on topic, if you aren't on Windows 10 or even if you don't want to use the Emoji Panel, then there's an NVDA add-on which you can use. Check it here.

Hth
Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: Giving the right amount of feedback

 

Tyler,
I can confirm some of these things you said on your message, specially items 3 and 5.

3. NVDA uses a keyboard hook to intercept all keys. Sometimes it gets into a state where it doesn't pass the keys anywhere.
the result of this is your keyboard no longer works, except for win+l and ctrl+alt+delete. If you press ctrl+alt+delete, you might think you can launch task manager.
As soon as you do, you're back on your normal desktop with NVDA still capturing the keyboard.
The only thing you can do is sign out, losing some or all of your work, or figure out how to kill NVDA either with a second account or with a non-keyboard-based solution.
It used to happen with me quite a while ago. If I'm not going wrong I even posted about it and someone suggested that it could be a problem with my system, something that I was thinking as well, so I just accepted it.
I never thought about using a second account to close NVDA when such a thing happens but this seems like a good solution if it ever happens again. I'll remember it :)

5. If a program stops responding, NVDA goes with it. Take Event Viewer.
View one event's details with enter. From there, press escape and be prepared to figure out how to get NVDA back, because it's most likely going to stop speaking.
Well, usually in such cases I will just do a CTRL+ALT+N and I'm all set again. I would love if everything were too easy :)

6. We know that in notepad, WordPad, Microsoft Word, and other applications, we can press ctrl+f to find things.
However, in browsers, we need to use ctrl+NVDA+f. Why? Because NVDA doesn't want to override the inaccessible browser find dialog.
Ok, this is something I definitely remember posting about, right here. Then someone said they could use the CTRL+F command everywhere and NVDA works just fine, and I'm trying to find out what's the magic behind it until now. Glad to know I'm not alone on this :)

Now, although I've confirmed these points, I don't blame the NVDA developers for all of this. Maybe fixing these things isn't something too easy and since I'm only a user, with very little knowledge about programming, I don't have a clue of the complexity behind it. So maybe we could try and see their side as well, after all despite some annoyances here and there nowadays we have NVDA as an excellent screen reader, and its success among the blind folks only goes to prove it.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: best site for addons

Luke Davis
 

Just to clarify: when you go to the NVDA menu, tools, Manage Add-ons, and select "get add-ons", which takes you to the page referenced in this thread a few times already, you aren't seeing Windows 10 App Essentials?

It is several headings down, but you should be seeing it there. If you aren't, then the webpage people gave you isn't going to help much.

On Mon, 22 Jul 2019, Joe Paton wrote:

I don't see some addons mentioned here, on the nv.access site. Where should I be going for the latest addons for example windows 10 app essentials?
What am I missing apart from a brain cell?


Re: dicts in python

Kerryn Gunness
 


thanks
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dicts in python

Explain what?

If you are looking for information regarding coding of Python dictionaries that wouldn't be something that's on-topic for this group, but is right up the alley of the NVDA Screen Reader Development Group, whose e-mail addresses are included for reference:


The folks there can also point you in the right direction if the nitty-gritty of what you want to do isn't really NVDA-related, but more of a Python coding enterprise.
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Re: best site for addons

Chris
 

The official addons repository is...

 

https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html

 

From: Joe Paton
Sent: 22 July 2019 21:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] best site for addons

 

Hello,

 

I don't see some addons mentioned here, on the nv.access site.  Where

should I be going for the latest addons for example windows 10 app

essentials?

What am I missing apart from a brain cell?

 

JP?

 

 

 


Re: dicts in python

 

Explain what?

If you are looking for information regarding coding of Python dictionaries that wouldn't be something that's on-topic for this group, but is right up the alley of the NVDA Screen Reader Development Group, whose e-mail addresses are included for reference:


The folks there can also point you in the right direction if the nitty-gritty of what you want to do isn't really NVDA-related, but more of a Python coding enterprise.
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dicts in python

Kerryn Gunness
 

guys
could someone explain the subject line using NVDA?
how does it work and how to write it
thanks


Re: best site for addons

Sam Bushman
 

How do you add the emoticons?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 2:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] best site for addons

Here's the link 😊

https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joe Paton
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] best site for addons

Hello,

I don't see some addons mentioned here, on the nv.access site. Where should I be going for the latest addons for example windows 10 app essentials?
What am I missing apart from a brain cell?

JP?


Re: best site for addons

molly the blind tech lover
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joe Paton
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] best site for addons

Hello,

I don't see some addons mentioned here, on the nv.access site. Where should I be going for the latest addons for example windows 10 app essentials?
What am I missing apart from a brain cell?

JP?


best site for addons

Joe Paton
 

Hello,

I don't see some addons mentioned here, on the nv.access site. Where should I be going for the latest addons for example windows 10 app essentials?
What am I missing apart from a brain cell?

JP?


Re: CodeFactory eloquence and vocalizer combined addon

Gene
 

I see you have punctuation processing off.  Try turning it on.  If that doesn't help, turn it off again, and try using the speech dictionary.  Try placing a colon in the word field and a space in the pronounced as field and see what happens.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 2:00 PM
Subject: [nvda] CodeFactory eloquence and vocalizer combined addon

Hi,

I tested the NVDA eloquence/vocalizer nvda-addon from atguys.com and it does the same thing. It pauses significantly when reading the time. NVDA punctuation is set to some, and in eloquence settings I have the emoji processing and punctuation processing, number processing, and dictionary all turned off and unchecked. In fact everything in there is unchecked because I prefer to control it with the NVDA dialogs instead.

 

Josh

 

 

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Re: CodeFactory eloquence and vocalizer combined addon

Gene
 

Its probably pausing excessively at the colon.  I don't know if you can correct the problem.  it sounds like a problem in the programming itself. 
Is there a setting regarding the add-on or the SAPI 5 program that allows you to make the screen-reader handle punctuation or to let the screen-reader handle aspects of how things are read that are now lleft to the synthesizer?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 2:00 PM
Subject: [nvda] CodeFactory eloquence and vocalizer combined addon

Hi,

I tested the NVDA eloquence/vocalizer nvda-addon from atguys.com and it does the same thing. It pauses significantly when reading the time. NVDA punctuation is set to some, and in eloquence settings I have the emoji processing and punctuation processing, number processing, and dictionary all turned off and unchecked. In fact everything in there is unchecked because I prefer to control it with the NVDA dialogs instead.

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


CodeFactory eloquence and vocalizer combined addon

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi,

I tested the NVDA eloquence/vocalizer nvda-addon from atguys.com and it does the same thing. It pauses significantly when reading the time. NVDA punctuation is set to some, and in eloquence settings I have the emoji processing and punctuation processing, number processing, and dictionary all turned off and unchecked. In fact everything in there is unchecked because I prefer to control it with the NVDA dialogs instead.

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


CodeFactory sapi5 eloquence and reading the time and date

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi,

With sapi5 eloquence by CodeFactory, when I press insert f12 for the time, eloquence reads it, but pauses for a long time in the middle of reading it. Like this.

 

 

12 … 32 … pm …

 

What settings in NVDA or in the CodeFactory eloquence can I change so it does not pause?

 

Josh

 

 

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