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Re: want fire fox

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On 7/22/19, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hello.
whats your favorite version of firefox?
i am sure that all versions of firefox are accessible.
where you download your firefox from?

On 7/22/19, sazid shaik <ashwaqahmed.nlr@gmail.com> wrote:
hello friends,
i am using windows 7, version 6.1 with service pack 1. I am unable to
open fire fox on my system.

hence i request to share accessible fire fox version.

thanks and regards,
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Re: want fire fox

 

hello.
whats your favorite version of firefox?
i am sure that all versions of firefox are accessible.
where you download your firefox from?

On 7/22/19, sazid shaik <ashwaqahmed.nlr@gmail.com> wrote:
hello friends,
i am using windows 7, version 6.1 with service pack 1. I am unable to
open fire fox on my system.

hence i request to share accessible fire fox version.

thanks and regards,
sazid



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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
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I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
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want fire fox

sazid shaik
 

hello friends,
i am using windows 7, version 6.1 with service pack 1. I am unable to
open fire fox on my system.

hence i request to share accessible fire fox version.

thanks and regards,
sazid


CodeFactory eloquence addon and oneCore voices

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi,

I just tested out the CodeFactory eloquence and vocalizer addon by activating a trial of it on my RCA cambio tablet with intel atom z8350 processor, 2gigs ram and 32gb EMMC ssd drive. It works good with no crackling. And then, next, I loaded my sapi5 eloquence, and set the settings the same as the CodeFactory nvda-addon. And really I cannot tell any difference between the two. They are both just as responsive, they both are stable and work good. I think that next month I will just save my money and buy the vocalizer CodeFactory sapi5 voices, and leave it at that. And some day if and when I ever have a job that requires me to take NVDA from computer to computer on a USB stick, then I’ll buy the CodeFactory nvda-addon. Oh and to the person having issues activating the CodeFactory eloquence and vocalizer NVDA addon… Why not install it at home, activate it at home in a place where you know the activation process works, then once its activated and you have all the voices you want and need, copy the whole thing including addons to a USB stick, take it to your work machine and install NVDA off the USB stick? Not sure if that would work and if it would stay activated or not. But the one thing I like about the CodeFactory sapi5 voices is that they also work with narrator. And I did use feedback hub to write to Microsoft and I asked them to let us change advanced oneCore voice settings so we can adjust when and how the voices pause while reading. So I hope they implement those changes.

 

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Re: Object mode

Gene
 

If you are using the desktop layout, its NVDA key numpad 1.  You will hear the mode you have moved to announced so you will know if you have to issue the command more than once.
 
Whenever you are in another mode, return to object navigation when you have finished.  If you don't, some NVDA commands may not work properly and there will be no indication why.
 
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Respected friends, can anyone refreshes my memory by telling me the command of getting object mode in NVDA?

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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands

 

Hi,
As I pointed out a few hours ago, input refers to not only keyboards, but
also touch gestures, braille displays, and other possibilities. There are
braille display hardware commands that are not really keyboard commands, nor
can be described accurately as gestures (for example, whiz wheels on older
Vispero (formerly Freedom Scientific) displays, scroll wheel on HumanWare
BrailleNote Apex, touchscreen input on BrailleNote Touch family, cursor
routing buttons, etc.). In case of BrailleNote Touch and Touch Plus
(internally recognized as Brailliant BI/B), it is a special case of its own
due to touch input surface - could be considered a keyboard, could be
considered a gesture, and other endless possibilities. If DictationBridge
add-on adds a possibility to define custom voice commands (or rather,
ability to add text to be used to activate a command via voice), then using
just keyboard and gestures won't make sense.
At least calling it "manage commands" makes more sense than what we have
now. It defines the purpose of that feature better, it denotes that
keyboards and touchscreens are seen as commands by NVDA (or a piece of input
gesture, for those looking at NVDA source code), and leaves room for
capturing other input possibilities without changing things later (which
does introduce visual and linguistic side effects). Having used all four
forms of input (keyboard, braille, touch, voice; five if I count using a
BrailleNote Touch Plus as a braille display with input done from the touch
surface as a separate category of its own), I think it would be best to go
for something that makes things clearer without making it more verbose,
something that describes the idea without going into specifics.
Regardless of which label gets chosen by the community, here is what I will
do:
1. I will ask translators about the new label.
2. I will edit the NVDA source code accordingly, including adding
clarifications here and there.
3. I will edit the user guide to mention the new label and add a
clarification as to which input technology NVDA can understand.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 7:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I change NVDA key commands

On Sun, 21 Jul 2019, Luke Davis wrote:

How about "Edit Keys and Gestures" then?
I think I will retract this one. While I like the word "edit" for what the
option is doing, it is possible for edit to be taken not in the context of
altering the keys and gestures in question, but as some sort of control for
working with "edit keys" or some such silliness.

Perhaps:
Change Keys and Gestures
Modify Keys and Gestures
Key and Gesture Manager

I still find "Command Manager" or the like to be a little more opaque than
just putting something in the name about keys and gestures, or keyboard and
gestures.

Luke


Re: Can I change NVDA key commands

Luke Davis
 

On Sun, 21 Jul 2019, Luke Davis wrote:

How about "Edit Keys and Gestures" then?
I think I will retract this one. While I like the word "edit" for what the option is doing, it is possible for edit to be taken not in the context of altering the keys and gestures in question, but as some sort of control for working with "edit keys" or some such silliness.

Perhaps:
Change Keys and Gestures
Modify Keys and Gestures
Key and Gesture Manager

I still find "Command Manager" or the like to be a little more opaque than just putting something in the name about keys and gestures, or keyboard and gestures.

Luke


Object mode

Inam Uddin
 

Respected friends, can anyone refreshes my memory by telling me the command of getting object mode in NVDA?

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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands

Luke Davis
 

How about "Edit Keys and Gestures" then?

On Sun, 21 Jul 2019, Marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Luke,
From all of your suggestions the more I liked better was the "Keyboard and Gesture Management".
"Edit Key Commands and Touch Gestures" isn't bad either, yet too verbose and that's why this isn't my choice instead.
And while we are on this, I'd like to suggest something. Itt would be nice to have a topic open for these suggestions. This topic would be active for a few
days then after this someone would gather the most suitable ones and put them into a poll. What y'all think?
Cheers,
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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands

 

I wrote:
the more I liked better was the "Keyboard and Gesture Management".
It should be "the one I liked better". Guess I need to pay more attention to what I'm writing LOL

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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands

 

Luke,
From all of your suggestions the more I liked better was the "Keyboard and Gesture Management".
"Edit Key Commands and Touch Gestures" isn't bad either, yet too verbose and that's why this isn't my choice instead.

And while we are on this, I'd like to suggest something. Itt would be nice to have a topic open for these suggestions. This topic would be active for a few days then after this someone would gather the most suitable ones and put them into a poll. What y'all think?

Cheers,
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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands

Luke Davis
 

I have always thought calling it "input Gestures" was a bit absurd, seeming to prioritize the idea of touch gestures over keys in the language, when exactly the opposite is the case in practical use.

Anything is better than what's there now, but I would personally like something along the lines of Keyboard and Gesture Manager, or Keyboard and Gesture Management.
Or possibly better: Remap Keys and Gestures.

Or maybe more newbie friendly still: Edit Key Commands and Touch Gestures.

Luke


Re: Can I change NVDA key commands

 

On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 04:43 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I interpret that as" terminal commands" not keyboard and gesture commands."
Why?   There are not and never have been terminal/command line commands (other than for starting it) for NVDA.

There is absolutely no legitimate context for that interpretation.   We are talking about "within NVDA" here.
 
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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands

Sarah k Alawami
 

Good idea, but no. I interpret that as" terminal commands" not keyboard and gesture commands."

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On 21 Jul 2019, at 10:55, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Hmmm, I see.

How about renaming it to something to the effect of, “Manage commands”? That may allow the original intent to be kept while making it more user friendly. It may also allow translators to translate this concept more easily.

The obvious downside is extensive edits to tutorials, websites, training materials, user guide and such, but I don’t consider this a downside – rather, an opportunity to change it based on more user feedback.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 10:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I change NVDA key commands

 

Being a tech geek from way back, I can categorically state that this is yet another instance where "tech brevity" is being valued over end user understanding.  It happens again and again and again.

"Input contols - keyboard commands, touch gestures, etc." as a descriptive in these programs, which is a simple thing to do, makes the intention entirely clear.

Microsoft was just as guilty of this with the inane "toast" notifications.   No one would instantly recognize that these are notifications that slide in at the lower right hand side of the screen by default.   "Slide-in" notifications at least makes it clear what the behavior is, whether you can see it or not, and allows both the sighted and the blind to be "on the same page" about what's being looked out for.

It just drives me insane that the "user ergonomics" of software is still so little considered.   I am only too well aware that at the setting by setting level this becomes an impossible nightmare for any truly complex piece of software, but at the broad categories and first level of subdivision of those it should be pretty simple.  I'd have the previously mentioned "Input Controls" fully articulated label then under that it would be broken into Keyboard Commands, Touch Gestures, Other [e.g. Pen or something that hasn't even been invented yet].
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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands

Rui Fontes
 

Why not "Manage commands" and "Commands help"?
After all, keystrokes, from a keyboard or Braille display, touchs on screen and so on, are all commands for NVDA...

Rui Fontes


Às 19:57 de 21/07/2019, Gene escreveu:

I see.  I thought NVDA key 1 was input gestures but evidently, it's just input help. Input help is a reasonable name for that feature.
Manage commands sounds alright for the dialog.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Joseph Lee <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 21, 2019 1:10 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Can I change NVDA key commands
Hi,
We’re talking about two different things: the suggested text refers to what is now known as “Input Gestures” dialog. NVDA+number row 1 may change to something more descriptive and not too verbose.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Sunday, July 21, 2019 11:05 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Can I change NVDA key commands
Manage commands means that you can define or redefine or map commands by invoking the NVDA 1 command.  Why not just call it what it is, keyboard and gestures help.  Or something else, if there is as good alternative descriptive language but I can think of no other comprehensive and accurate way to say this that will be 8understandable to the gggeneral user.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Joseph Lee <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
*Sent:*Sunday, July 21, 2019 12:55 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Can I change NVDA key commands
Hi,
Hmmm, I see.
How about renaming it to something to the effect of, “Manage commands”? That may allow the original intent to be kept while making it more user friendly. It may also allow translators to translate this concept more easily.
The obvious downside is extensive edits to tutorials, websites, training materials, user guide and such, but I don’t consider this a downside – rather, an opportunity to change it based on more user feedback.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Sunday, July 21, 2019 10:45 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Can I change NVDA key commands
Being a tech geek from way back, I can categorically state that this is yet another instance where "tech brevity" is being valued over end user understanding.  It happens again and again and again.
"Input contols - keyboard commands, touch gestures, etc." as a descriptive in these programs, which is a simple thing to do, makes the intention entirely clear.
Microsoft was just as guilty of this with the inane "toast" notifications.   No one would instantly recognize that these are notifications that slide in at the lower right hand side of the screen by default.   "Slide-in" notifications at least makes it clear what the behavior is, whether you can see it or not, and allows both the sighted and the blind to be "on the same page" about what's being looked out for.
It just drives me insane that the "user ergonomics" of software is still so little considered.   I am only too well aware that at the setting by setting level this becomes an impossible nightmare for any truly complex piece of software, but at the broad categories and first level of subdivision of those it should be pretty simple.  I'd have the previously mentioned "Input Controls" fully articulated label then under that it would be broken into Keyboard Commands, Touch Gestures, Other [e.g. Pen or something that hasn't even been invented yet].
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Re: taking ownership of files

JM Casey
 

Hi.
That won't work by itself. You need to actually go into the properties of the .ini file as an administrator and change their ownership settings in the security tab. I was able to do this after a lot of experimenting, but recently haven't been able to duplicate the steps. I know it can be done, though. Maybe someone more familiar with these settings can chime in. I admit I was a bit confused and feel like I kind of muddled my way through to success.

By the way, a quick way to run a programme (like notepad) as administrator:
Open the run box
Type in notepad
Don't hit enter, but use ctrl-shift-enter instead.
The user account control dialogue will appear if you have it set to do so.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: July 21, 2019 2:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] taking ownership of files

Run Notepad as an administrator.
1) type notepad.exe in the search window. (press windows key or go to start menu to get there).
2) Right-click (applications key, shift f10, NVDA's right click facility), & select 'Run as Administrator' from the context menu that appears.

On 7/21/19, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I am trying to change the pause length in the .ini files for the
oneCore voices. But it won’t let me save my new settings once I edit
the ini files in notepad. I also tried copying, editing then replacing
the old files with the new edited ones and it says I need permission to copy to that folder.
How do I take ownership of those “ini” files so I can edit and save
them to improve the way the oneCore voices speak?

Josh


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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands

Gene
 

I see.  I thought NVDA key 1 was input gestures but evidently, it's just input help. Input help is a reasonable name for that feature.
 
Manage commands sounds alright for the dialog. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I change NVDA key commands

Hi,

We’re talking about two different things: the suggested text refers to what is now known as “Input Gestures” dialog. NVDA+number row 1 may change to something more descriptive and not too verbose.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 11:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I change NVDA key commands

 

Manage commands means that you can define or redefine or map commands by invoking the NVDA 1 command.  Why not just call it what it is, keyboard and gestures help.  Or something else, if there is as good alternative descriptive language but I can think of no other comprehensive and accurate way to say this that will be 8understandable to the gggeneral user.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 12:55 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I change NVDA key commands

 

Hi,

Hmmm, I see.

How about renaming it to something to the effect of, “Manage commands”? That may allow the original intent to be kept while making it more user friendly. It may also allow translators to translate this concept more easily.

The obvious downside is extensive edits to tutorials, websites, training materials, user guide and such, but I don’t consider this a downside – rather, an opportunity to change it based on more user feedback.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 10:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I change NVDA key commands

 

Being a tech geek from way back, I can categorically state that this is yet another instance where "tech brevity" is being valued over end user understanding.  It happens again and again and again.

"Input contols - keyboard commands, touch gestures, etc." as a descriptive in these programs, which is a simple thing to do, makes the intention entirely clear.

Microsoft was just as guilty of this with the inane "toast" notifications.   No one would instantly recognize that these are notifications that slide in at the lower right hand side of the screen by default.   "Slide-in" notifications at least makes it clear what the behavior is, whether you can see it or not, and allows both the sighted and the blind to be "on the same page" about what's being looked out for.

It just drives me insane that the "user ergonomics" of software is still so little considered.   I am only too well aware that at the setting by setting level this becomes an impossible nightmare for any truly complex piece of software, but at the broad categories and first level of subdivision of those it should be pretty simple.  I'd have the previously mentioned "Input Controls" fully articulated label then under that it would be broken into Keyboard Commands, Touch Gestures, Other [e.g. Pen or something that hasn't even been invented yet].
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Re: taking ownership of files

Jackie
 

Run Notepad as an administrator.
1) type notepad.exe in the search window. (press windows key or go to
start menu to get there).
2) Right-click (applications key, shift f10, NVDA's right click
facility), & select 'Run as Administrator' from the context menu that
appears.

On 7/21/19, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I am trying to change the pause length in the .ini files for the oneCore
voices. But it won’t let me save my new settings once I edit the ini files
in notepad. I also tried copying, editing then replacing the old files with
the new edited ones and it says I need permission to copy to that folder.
How do I take ownership of those “ini” files so I can edit and save them to
improve the way the oneCore voices speak?

Josh


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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands

Ed Marquette
 

Why not something simple like “managing input“ or “manage input.“ That would cover all forms of input: keyboard voice, and so on.


On Jul 21, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

We’re talking about two different things: the suggested text refers to what is now known as “Input Gestures” dialog. NVDA+number row 1 may change to something more descriptive and not too verbose.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 11:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I change NVDA key commands

 

Manage commands means that you can define or redefine or map commands by invoking the NVDA 1 command.  Why not just call it what it is, keyboard and gestures help.  Or something else, if there is as good alternative descriptive language but I can think of no other comprehensive and accurate way to say this that will be 8understandable to the gggeneral user.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 12:55 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I change NVDA key commands

 

Hi,

Hmmm, I see.

How about renaming it to something to the effect of, “Manage commands”? That may allow the original intent to be kept while making it more user friendly. It may also allow translators to translate this concept more easily.

The obvious downside is extensive edits to tutorials, websites, training materials, user guide and such, but I don’t consider this a downside – rather, an opportunity to change it based on more user feedback.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 10:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I change NVDA key commands

 

Being a tech geek from way back, I can categorically state that this is yet another instance where "tech brevity" is being valued over end user understanding.  It happens again and again and again.

"Input contols - keyboard commands, touch gestures, etc." as a descriptive in these programs, which is a simple thing to do, makes the intention entirely clear.

Microsoft was just as guilty of this with the inane "toast" notifications.   No one would instantly recognize that these are notifications that slide in at the lower right hand side of the screen by default.   "Slide-in" notifications at least makes it clear what the behavior is, whether you can see it or not, and allows both the sighted and the blind to be "on the same page" about what's being looked out for.

It just drives me insane that the "user ergonomics" of software is still so little considered.   I am only too well aware that at the setting by setting level this becomes an impossible nightmare for any truly complex piece of software, but at the broad categories and first level of subdivision of those it should be pretty simple.  I'd have the previously mentioned "Input Controls" fully articulated label then under that it would be broken into Keyboard Commands, Touch Gestures, Other [e.g. Pen or something that hasn't even been invented yet].
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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands

 

Hi,

We’re talking about two different things: the suggested text refers to what is now known as “Input Gestures” dialog. NVDA+number row 1 may change to something more descriptive and not too verbose.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 11:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I change NVDA key commands

 

Manage commands means that you can define or redefine or map commands by invoking the NVDA 1 command.  Why not just call it what it is, keyboard and gestures help.  Or something else, if there is as good alternative descriptive language but I can think of no other comprehensive and accurate way to say this that will be 8understandable to the gggeneral user.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 12:55 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I change NVDA key commands

 

Hi,

Hmmm, I see.

How about renaming it to something to the effect of, “Manage commands”? That may allow the original intent to be kept while making it more user friendly. It may also allow translators to translate this concept more easily.

The obvious downside is extensive edits to tutorials, websites, training materials, user guide and such, but I don’t consider this a downside – rather, an opportunity to change it based on more user feedback.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 10:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I change NVDA key commands

 

Being a tech geek from way back, I can categorically state that this is yet another instance where "tech brevity" is being valued over end user understanding.  It happens again and again and again.

"Input contols - keyboard commands, touch gestures, etc." as a descriptive in these programs, which is a simple thing to do, makes the intention entirely clear.

Microsoft was just as guilty of this with the inane "toast" notifications.   No one would instantly recognize that these are notifications that slide in at the lower right hand side of the screen by default.   "Slide-in" notifications at least makes it clear what the behavior is, whether you can see it or not, and allows both the sighted and the blind to be "on the same page" about what's being looked out for.

It just drives me insane that the "user ergonomics" of software is still so little considered.   I am only too well aware that at the setting by setting level this becomes an impossible nightmare for any truly complex piece of software, but at the broad categories and first level of subdivision of those it should be pretty simple.  I'd have the previously mentioned "Input Controls" fully articulated label then under that it would be broken into Keyboard Commands, Touch Gestures, Other [e.g. Pen or something that hasn't even been invented yet].
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 

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