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Re: Spreadsheet editing software recommendations - open office, or libre office?

Antony Stone
 

How can you tell that a licence key you buy on eBay has genuinely been
recycled and is not also being used on other machines?

Excel was released (first for the Mac) in 1985. The first really successful
spreadsheet application (so successful that it helped to sell the Apple II and
other pre-IBM PC machines) was VisiCalc, released six years earlier in 1979.


Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 18 February 2019 at 15:42:09, Brian Vogel wrote:

The recycled license market is readily accessible on eBay. There are other
sites, too, but that's the one I use.

Excel is the granddaddy of all electronic spreadsheet programs. Of course
it can be used to create and edit spreadsheets - it practically invented
them.
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The customer gets to pick any two out of three.

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please *don't* CC me.

Re: Golden Cursor question

 

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 09:52 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
What I didn’t know is you can move the mouse with the keyboard without GC involved.
Well, barring the use of accessibility software (and, yes, I count the built-in option of Mouse Keys), you can't.

I also imagine that the use of Mouse Keys with a screen reader using desktop layout would be a fraught proposition.
 
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Re: Golden Cursor question

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Joseph,

 

Yes, I knew the routing commands, but I got the impression that there was commands to move the mouse without GC installed.  Thanks for confirming there isn’t, not within NVDA anyway.

 

I am even more convinced that GC should be part of the core program, not an add-on.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 18 February 2019 14:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi Ralph and others,

I don’t think that’s the command set Steve is looking for. Rather, I think what he is after is mouse routing commands that comes with NVDA as follows:

  • NVDA+Numpad divide (NVDA+Shift+M in laptop layout): route mouse to where you’re focused on or control you’re reviewing (navigator object)
  • NVDA+Numpad multiply (NVDA+Shift+N in laptop layout): move navigator object to where the mouse is.

 

There is no built-in command set to move mouse around with a keyboard (apart from Golden Cursor), but mouse keys might help (using Numpad to move the mouse around, a built-in Ease of Access feature in Windows).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 6:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Key commands

• Control+NVDA+L: view saved mouse positions for an application if any.

• Shift+NVDA+l: save a tag or a label for the current mouse position in the currently focused application.

• Windows+NVDA+C: change mouse movement unit.

• Windows+NVDA+R: toggle mouse restriction.

• Windows+NVDA+S: toggle reporting of mouse position in pixels.

• Windows+NVDA+J: move mouse to a specific x and y position.

• Windows+NVDA+P: report mouse position.

• Windows+NVDA+M: sswitch mouse arrows on or off.

• Windows+NVDA+arrow keys (or just arrow keys if mouse arrows is on): move mouse.

Note: these gestures can be reassigned via NVDA's Input Gestures dialog under Golden Cursor category.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Montag, 18. Februar 2019 11:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hello Jean,

 

So what are the mouse movement keys via the keyboard then?  I’m sorry I can’t find them.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

You can move the mouse with the keyboard now.  You can't move it as precisely.  I don't have an opinion about whether the Golden Cursor features should be incorporated into the source code.  But your implication that the mouse can't be moved without the Golden Cursor is not correct.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:27 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: Golden Cursor question

Steve Nutt
 

I know those commands, those are for Golden Cursor.  What I didn’t know is you can move the mouse with the keyboard without GC involved.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: 18 February 2019 14:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Key commands

• Control+NVDA+L: view saved mouse positions for an application if any.

• Shift+NVDA+l: save a tag or a label for the current mouse position in the currently focused application.

• Windows+NVDA+C: change mouse movement unit.

• Windows+NVDA+R: toggle mouse restriction.

• Windows+NVDA+S: toggle reporting of mouse position in pixels.

• Windows+NVDA+J: move mouse to a specific x and y position.

• Windows+NVDA+P: report mouse position.

• Windows+NVDA+M: sswitch mouse arrows on or off.

• Windows+NVDA+arrow keys (or just arrow keys if mouse arrows is on): move mouse.

Note: these gestures can be reassigned via NVDA's Input Gestures dialog under Golden Cursor category.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Montag, 18. Februar 2019 11:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hello Jean,

 

So what are the mouse movement keys via the keyboard then?  I’m sorry I can’t find them.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

You can move the mouse with the keyboard now.  You can't move it as precisely.  I don't have an opinion about whether the Golden Cursor features should be incorporated into the source code.  But your implication that the mouse can't be moved without the Golden Cursor is not correct.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:27 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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android studio problem with NVDA

Diego Ricardo Matos <diegoricardomatosm4@...>
 

Hello guys!
I'm using android studio but I'm having problems with NVDA.
It turns out that the compiler and messages are not read by NVDA, with
java access bridge enabled and working.

What can I do?
I'm running android studio 3.2, with NVDA 2018.4.1 on windows 10 64 bit.

Re: Spreadsheet editing software recommendations - open office, or libre office?

 

The recycled license market is readily accessible on eBay.  There are other sites, too, but that's the one I use.

Excel is the granddaddy of all electronic spreadsheet programs.  Of course it can be used to create and edit spreadsheets - it practically invented them.
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Re: Golden Cursor question

 

Hi Ralph and others,

I don’t think that’s the command set Steve is looking for. Rather, I think what he is after is mouse routing commands that comes with NVDA as follows:

  • NVDA+Numpad divide (NVDA+Shift+M in laptop layout): route mouse to where you’re focused on or control you’re reviewing (navigator object)
  • NVDA+Numpad multiply (NVDA+Shift+N in laptop layout): move navigator object to where the mouse is.

 

There is no built-in command set to move mouse around with a keyboard (apart from Golden Cursor), but mouse keys might help (using Numpad to move the mouse around, a built-in Ease of Access feature in Windows).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 6:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Key commands

• Control+NVDA+L: view saved mouse positions for an application if any.

• Shift+NVDA+l: save a tag or a label for the current mouse position in the currently focused application.

• Windows+NVDA+C: change mouse movement unit.

• Windows+NVDA+R: toggle mouse restriction.

• Windows+NVDA+S: toggle reporting of mouse position in pixels.

• Windows+NVDA+J: move mouse to a specific x and y position.

• Windows+NVDA+P: report mouse position.

• Windows+NVDA+M: sswitch mouse arrows on or off.

• Windows+NVDA+arrow keys (or just arrow keys if mouse arrows is on): move mouse.

Note: these gestures can be reassigned via NVDA's Input Gestures dialog under Golden Cursor category.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Montag, 18. Februar 2019 11:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hello Jean,

 

So what are the mouse movement keys via the keyboard then?  I’m sorry I can’t find them.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

You can move the mouse with the keyboard now.  You can't move it as precisely.  I don't have an opinion about whether the Golden Cursor features should be incorporated into the source code.  But your implication that the mouse can't be moved without the Golden Cursor is not correct.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:27 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: Golden Cursor question

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Key commands

• Control+NVDA+L: view saved mouse positions for an application if any.

• Shift+NVDA+l: save a tag or a label for the current mouse position in the currently focused application.

• Windows+NVDA+C: change mouse movement unit.

• Windows+NVDA+R: toggle mouse restriction.

• Windows+NVDA+S: toggle reporting of mouse position in pixels.

• Windows+NVDA+J: move mouse to a specific x and y position.

• Windows+NVDA+P: report mouse position.

• Windows+NVDA+M: sswitch mouse arrows on or off.

• Windows+NVDA+arrow keys (or just arrow keys if mouse arrows is on): move mouse.

Note: these gestures can be reassigned via NVDA's Input Gestures dialog under Golden Cursor category.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Montag, 18. Februar 2019 11:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hello Jean,

 

So what are the mouse movement keys via the keyboard then?  I’m sorry I can’t find them.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

You can move the mouse with the keyboard now.  You can't move it as precisely.  I don't have an opinion about whether the Golden Cursor features should be incorporated into the source code.  But your implication that the mouse can't be moved without the Golden Cursor is not correct.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:27 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: Spreadsheet editing software recommendations - open office, or libre office?

molly the blind tech lover
 

Can spread sheets be edited with excel? I want to create a spread sheet.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 8:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spreadsheet editing software recommendations - open
office, or libre office?

Brian,
Where can I find these recycled licenses?

Re: column titles in Excel

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

With jaws I could select b, c, d and press insert v  then go down and select column titles. Then when I changed rows those 3 titles would be announced.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 1:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] column titles in Excel

 

Hi Brian,

 

This is the recommended method for JAWS as well, and the one I tend to use.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 17 February 2019 23:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] column titles in Excel

 

I generally find the easiest thing to do is to actually assign formal row and/or column titles as part of the spreadsheet itself.

See: Excel - Assigning a Title Row or Column (MS-Word Format)
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Re: Question on Chrome, Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 03:15 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
What would be nice is to be able to cut and paste the uncluttered text so one can keep it in a normal text file
You can certainly do this with the page that results from using the Chrome Reader mode.  After looking at the result of Chrome's native reader mode and the Reader add-on I far prefer the result from the former to the latter, particularly if cut and paste is desired.  The Reader add-on retains far more links along with other web objects like edit boxes, etc., that make no sense to me to have kept in the first place.
 
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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

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Re: Microsoft refresh tool.

 

Windows 10 licenses, while they may be recorded as part of your Microsoft Account, are directly linked to the unique identifier of the hardware licensed.  You could hand that computer on to someone else tomorrow and they could do completely clean installs of Windows 10 to their heart's content even if all they used on the machine was a local account.

Windows 10, by design, will progress through Feature Updates throughout its service life.  The licence key is tied to the OS, not any specific Feature Update version of same.

If you really want your Windows 10 license key, along with those for virtually anything installed on your machine, Belarc Advisor can get that for you.

I have not ever used the Refresh option, but Microsoft's descriptions of the various Reset and other options have been accurate, so I imagine the Refresh description is, too.
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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

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Re: Spreadsheet editing software recommendations - open office, or libre office?

Chris Shook
 

Brian,
Where can I find these recycled licenses?

Re: Spreadsheet editing software recommendations - open office, or libre office?

 

These days, with the advent of the entirely legal "recycled license market" coming out of the EU, I'd recommend buying the real thing for a song.

I've now upgraded at least 6 machines with Office 2016 Pro Plus for $10 US or less per machine using recycled licenses.

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Re: Spreadsheet editing software recommendations - open office, or libre office?

 

the only free and opensource softwares which i found are libreoffice
and openoffice and i did not find anything else until now.
but libreoffice is more compatible with microsoft file formats.

On 2/18/19, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:
While am currently sticking to open office calc when it comes to working
with things like .xls/.xlsx spreadhseet files, partly since libre office
seemed not to cooperate so nicely with NVDA, just wanted to ask if there
are any specific reasons/methods/means that some of you guys would
recommend one or the other, or another free alternative?


TIA

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Spreadsheet editing software recommendations - open office, or libre office?

Jacob Kruger
 

While am currently sticking to open office calc when it comes to working with things like .xls/.xlsx spreadhseet files, partly since libre office seemed not to cooperate so nicely with NVDA, just wanted to ask if there are any specific reasons/methods/means that some of you guys would recommend one or the other, or another free alternative?


TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

Microsoft refresh tool.

 

I bought this  Acer laptop, 256GB SSD, frankly because that was all I could afford, I make money from book sales, after all. Anyway, I assume that it will come with a lot of bloat on it. ACER driver managers, and more ACER junk. I've never bought an ACER laptop before, usually I've gone with HP and or DELL because they are cheap, but this one was a deal so, I had a few questions regarding the Microsoft refresh tool.


1. Does it really do as Microsoft claims? Remove apps not by Microsoft? I'm looking to do a complete refresh when I unpack the laptop today.

2. I have a digital license tied to my Microsoft account for windows 10, but just in case, does anyone know how I can back up my product key for entering after I do the refresh? Also, will the digital license adapt itself to different home versions? Like, for example, if the laptop has 1809?

Re: Hey dear NVDA users Quary about NVDA with excel.

Meet modi
 

hello friends
Sorry or let reply.
First i clear
I am useing MS ofice 10 and also I chack on MS ofice 2016 same error accard wih me and i can't find its solution
Thanks and regards
Meet modi

Re: Golden Cursor question

Steve Nutt
 

Hello Jean,

 

So what are the mouse movement keys via the keyboard then?  I’m sorry I can’t find them.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

You can move the mouse with the keyboard now.  You can't move it as precisely.  I don't have an opinion about whether the Golden Cursor features should be incorporated into the source code.  But your implication that the mouse can't be moved without the Golden Cursor is not correct.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:27 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: Using Office Products with UIA

 

gene,
i tried and had my mentioned issues on my system.
but i know some people who say these are the issues of new windows versions
and on the contrary, today i asked another person and she told me that
she even has not slowness when navigating between items of desktop and
the files in her explorer!
someone told me that i should set my control panel view in small or
large icon and i did it when i had windows 7.
searching something and openning, for me worked as expected and the
only issue was when using first letter and even on that time, i did
not know how to navigate between items of control panel and only
tested with using first letter of my desired items.
date and time was just one example and maybe more openning undesired
item instead of the item which i wanted to open!

On 2/17/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
How many systems did you try this on? You have no basis to assume UIA is
the problem. One person, telling you about a problem they have means
nothing. the person may be making errors, or there may be some other
problem. I have never, on all the lists I'm on, in all the time since
Windows 7 and Windows 10- have been out, heard the complaint you are making,
that there is a general behavior that causes incorrect items to be opened.

Try the following:
Open the start menu.
Type date and time
and wait a moment.
Read the current line. Is it what you are looking for? If so, press
enter.
If not, down arrow until you find what you want. Press enter.

Usually, in Windows 7, when you are looking for something and you know what
you are looking for, opening Control Panel is unnecessary.

And we don't know if Control Panel is set up properly on your machine to
work as you expect with first letter navigation.

Try the procedure I gave and see what happens. We don't know why you are
having the problem. Turning off a part of Windows isn't the proper way to
find out what the problem is and it won't solve it if it is caused by
something else such as not having Control panel set properly to do what you
want.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 1:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA


no, i am sure that i never experienced such problems on xp.
even someone with windows ten, asked me that i want to open something
and when i opened my desire, i observed openning another item.
for example: when openning skype, she observes that firefox opens for her!
if i turn off uia, can i use windows 7 without any slowness or
openning undesired item?
yes, i tested openning items of control panel, when i use first letter
of my desired item, sometimes i can easily open anything that i wish
and sometimes i recieved undesired behaviour like the time which i
want to open date and time which i explaned.

On 2/17/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Your second problem is not a general probem. you are approaching Windows
7
with a bias against it that it can't be as good as XP, probably
significantly inferior so you assume that every problem is the fault of
Windows 7. It could be a problem with the specific system being used. I
explained how to stop the slower echo when you move through a list of
files.
Windows 7 wouldn't be as popular as it is among blind users if it had a
lot
of problems. it is a mistake to disable a feature to avoid certain
problems
when the results will be unknown other problems, without properly
evaluating
Windows 7 and asking here about problems you encounter. If you really
evaluate Windows 7 and ask about problems here, you may still want to
turn
off UIA, but you have no basis at this time to have an informed opinion.
Did you try opening time and date more than once? One malfunction, if
that
is what it was, doesn't tell us anything. Odd behaviors happen from time
to
time. If it happened in XP, you wouldn't conclude anything because you
aren't biased against it.

\Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 12:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA


hi gene.
yes, one of the problems is slowness of nvda in file explorer and i
wish that when i navigate between items, i recieve feedback without
any pause!
but i heard from someone that the problems of newer windows versions
are because of uia and i decided to turn it off completely to use
windows 7 like windows xp without any slowness!
but slowness was not only problem for me.
when i wanted to open one item in control panel, i observed openning
undesired item.
for example: i went to the control panel to set the clock or calendar
of my system.
i pressed d and nvda told: date and time.
when i pressed enter to open it, nvda told action center security
instead of date and times and its options.
i dont have any of these issues on xp and got this result that msaa is
the best version of accessibility and made me hating uia.

On 2/16/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Before you pursue the matter further, what benefit do you think you will
get? And you don't know what benefits you will lose. I haven't seen
any
disadvantages that amount to anything in Windows 7. I get a little
slower
echoing of titles when I move up or down in the files list in Windows
Explorer or the desktop. My solution is to hold control as I move.
When
I
get to something I want to open, I release control, down arrow once, up
arrow once to the item, then press enter. Holding control while moving
keeps files from being selected as you move to them. That solves the
slow
echo problem.

If you want to turn it off because you have heard this or that
complaint,
such complaints may not be general problems. you shouldn't have
preconceptions based on such poor, perhaps meaningless, in terms of
generalization, evidence. And, as I said, you don't know what benefits
you
may not get by turning it off.

Don't let your XP bias lead you toward jumping to conclucions about
Windows
7. It is a popular version of Windows among blind users.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 11:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA


hi.
thanks for replying me.
how can i modify configuration file?
i wish to turn off uia in windows 7 if one day i can access a system
with windows 7 and just use msaa on windows 7 like windows xp!
i someday tried windows 7 and i was unsatisfied of uia and wish to
have msaa forever.

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
You can sort of do this (modifying the configuration file), though I
can't
guarantee if that will resolve all sorts of problems you may encounter
as
a
result. For instance, although certain Windows Explorer features may
become
more "usable", it may not solve some problems you might be having.
Also, on a personal note, I wouldn't really count on going back to
Windows
XP days, or for that matter, use that as a justification for turning
off
an
accessibility API. As noted by at least two resident screen reader
trainers
(Gene and Brian), for all practical purposes, it would be wise to move
on
from XP if trying to perform certain productivity and web browsing
tasks
(XP
was a massive target of a ransomware in 2017). Thus, personally, the
request
to consider turning off UIA in favor of MSAA just because of appearance
of
stability under XP is hereby denied (sorry; I do know it will come as
not
the answer you are looking for, but there's nothing I and other NVDA
developers can do now).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message---


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

hi joseph.
i have a question about uia.
can you please teach me how to disable uia in windows 7 if one day i
decided
to use windows 7 or use a computer of someone who uses windows 7?
i wish to disable uia in windows 7 and configure nvda to use msaa on
windows
7 as nvda uses msaa on windows xp.
i really need this change and i am waiting for your help, God bless
you!

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,

At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t be
enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs and
regressions with UIA on.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin
Prater
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA



I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as
reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use.
I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.


Devin Pratersent from Gmail.





On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <@blindjourno
<mailto:@blindjourno> > wrote:

If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word, and
since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't this be
on by default after1901?







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