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Re: Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

Gene
 

There is one use of "graphic"where the reader wouldn't know a word had been skipped.  In a sentence like, "this is a graphic illustration of negligence," for example, if the word graphic weren't heard, the sentence would make sense but it might be gramatically wrong.  The person using the dictionary work around would have to decide if that matters to him/her.  But if the person is in an environment where the word "graphic" is heard often while on a web page, for example, or working with a not properly accessible program, eliminating the word may be important.  What if a not properly accessible e-mail program causes NVDA to read "graphic" every time you move to another message in the list?  I've worked with a program now and then where I hear a lot of meaningless graphic announcements as I move with screen review.  But in the case of an unfamiliar program, before you know it, you should cause graphic to be spoken if you are exploring the program with screen reviewor object navigation.  Sometimes, you have to click on graphics.  But for many users, the dictionary option is a good one.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

How many times, in general reading, or any reading that doesn't deal with graphics per se have you come across the word in a month?  If it is the only word you cause not to be spoken in the dictionary and you read a sentence where something is missing, if the context is correct, you know it’s the word "graphic" and not an error in the text. 
 
If someone wants to not hear the word "graphic" and the screen-reader doesn't have a do not announce graphic setting, this is a good way to do it.  it isn't perfect, but it’s a good work around.  if you are opposing it because it isn't perfect, then you are letting the perfect block the use of the good.  I seldom come across the word graphic in general reading.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

But the word graphic is quite common.  I give up.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

That is the slippery slope logical fallacy.  If you do something that works well in moderation or sparingly, you will do it more until it is destructive rather than constructive.  That logical fallacy implies that people have no sense of logic or proportion.  If you let someone speed to a hospital because their wife is in labor, before you know it, everyone will speed for any reason and the law won't be enforced. 

 

I didn't say that using the dictionary is as good as being able to turn the announcement off.  It will work in a case where a word isn't used often and where it can usually be determined or assumed that you haven't heard it because it is that word.  I wasn't talking about using the dictionary for word after word. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:26 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

I still don’t like it, however much you try to justify dictionary hacks.  Eventually you exclude loads of words, then it becomes more work.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

But if, for some reason, you hear a lot of graphics announced and you can't turn off graphic announcements in the settings, you may save yourself a good deal of annoyance.  and it isn't much work in general.  Think about when the last two or three times were that you heard the word graphic other than in this thread or when your screen-reader announced an actual graphic. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:54 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

That’s more hard work though, as well as concentrating on the text itself for mistakes, I’d say.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 19:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

By context a lot of the time.  if not, they will know a word is missing because what is being said won't make sense.  At that point, you can go back and read the word by letter.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:12 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

But how would they know the word was missing, if the synth didn’t utter anything?

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 19:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

Yes, it would be skipped.  Most people wouldn't come across the word often in documents and they have to remember that they won't hear it.  They can read letter by letter at the missing word location to verify that it is that word if they wish.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 12:53 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

Hi Jean,

 

What happens then if you come across the word graphic in a document?  Does it just get missed out?  That would make it awkward for proofing.  I don’t like using dictionaries as a cludge if I’m honest.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 16 February 2019 13:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

If this setting isn't available in preferences, and I am not aware of a do not announce graphics setting, you may be able to stop graphic from being announced using the speech dictionary.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

To all members
Does NVDA has feature to ignore graphic while navigating web page, and if it has, now to enable it?
A friend asked me this, and he shared him thought that sometimes he doesn't want to see graphics in article he reading, and he wonder if we could add this to NVDA if it doesn't exist. I can also create a tiket for this if noone did before.
Any help would be appreciated.
Cuong

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Re: Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

Gene
 

How many times, in general reading, or any reading that doesn't deal with graphics per se have you come across the word in a month?  If it is the only word you cause not to be spoken in the dictionary and you read a sentence where something is missing, if the context is correct, you know it’s the word "graphic" and not an error in the text. 
 
If someone wants to not hear the word "graphic" and the screen-reader doesn't have a do not announce graphic setting, this is a good way to do it.  it isn't perfect, but it’s a good work around.  if you are opposing it because it isn't perfect, then you are letting the perfect block the use of the good.  I seldom come across the word graphic in general reading.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

But the word graphic is quite common.  I give up.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

That is the slippery slope logical fallacy.  If you do something that works well in moderation or sparingly, you will do it more until it is destructive rather than constructive.  That logical fallacy implies that people have no sense of logic or proportion.  If you let someone speed to a hospital because their wife is in labor, before you know it, everyone will speed for any reason and the law won't be enforced. 

 

I didn't say that using the dictionary is as good as being able to turn the announcement off.  It will work in a case where a word isn't used often and where it can usually be determined or assumed that you haven't heard it because it is that word.  I wasn't talking about using the dictionary for word after word. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:26 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

I still don’t like it, however much you try to justify dictionary hacks.  Eventually you exclude loads of words, then it becomes more work.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

But if, for some reason, you hear a lot of graphics announced and you can't turn off graphic announcements in the settings, you may save yourself a good deal of annoyance.  and it isn't much work in general.  Think about when the last two or three times were that you heard the word graphic other than in this thread or when your screen-reader announced an actual graphic. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:54 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

That’s more hard work though, as well as concentrating on the text itself for mistakes, I’d say.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 19:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

By context a lot of the time.  if not, they will know a word is missing because what is being said won't make sense.  At that point, you can go back and read the word by letter.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:12 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

But how would they know the word was missing, if the synth didn’t utter anything?

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 19:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

Yes, it would be skipped.  Most people wouldn't come across the word often in documents and they have to remember that they won't hear it.  They can read letter by letter at the missing word location to verify that it is that word if they wish.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 12:53 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

Hi Jean,

 

What happens then if you come across the word graphic in a document?  Does it just get missed out?  That would make it awkward for proofing.  I don’t like using dictionaries as a cludge if I’m honest.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 16 February 2019 13:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

If this setting isn't available in preferences, and I am not aware of a do not announce graphics setting, you may be able to stop graphic from being announced using the speech dictionary.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

To all members
Does NVDA has feature to ignore graphic while navigating web page, and if it has, now to enable it?
A friend asked me this, and he shared him thought that sometimes he doesn't want to see graphics in article he reading, and he wonder if we could add this to NVDA if it doesn't exist. I can also create a tiket for this if noone did before.
Any help would be appreciated.
Cuong

----------------
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 The Assistive technology specialist
 Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
 Tel: +8428 7302-4488
 E-mail: info@...; tech@...
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Re: Golden Cursor question

Gene
 

You can move the mouse with the keyboard now.  You can't move it as precisely.  I don't have an opinion about whether the Golden Cursor features should be incorporated into the source code.  But your implication that the mouse can't be moved without the Golden Cursor is not correct.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

Steve Nutt
 

But the word graphic is quite common.  I give up.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

That is the slippery slope logical fallacy.  If you do something that works well in moderation or sparingly, you will do it more until it is destructive rather than constructive.  That logical fallacy implies that people have no sense of logic or proportion.  If you let someone speed to a hospital because their wife is in labor, before you know it, everyone will speed for any reason and the law won't be enforced. 

 

I didn't say that using the dictionary is as good as being able to turn the announcement off.  It will work in a case where a word isn't used often and where it can usually be determined or assumed that you haven't heard it because it is that word.  I wasn't talking about using the dictionary for word after word. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:26 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

I still don’t like it, however much you try to justify dictionary hacks.  Eventually you exclude loads of words, then it becomes more work.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

But if, for some reason, you hear a lot of graphics announced and you can't turn off graphic announcements in the settings, you may save yourself a good deal of annoyance.  and it isn't much work in general.  Think about when the last two or three times were that you heard the word graphic other than in this thread or when your screen-reader announced an actual graphic. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:54 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

That’s more hard work though, as well as concentrating on the text itself for mistakes, I’d say.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 19:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

By context a lot of the time.  if not, they will know a word is missing because what is being said won't make sense.  At that point, you can go back and read the word by letter.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:12 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

But how would they know the word was missing, if the synth didn’t utter anything?

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 19:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

Yes, it would be skipped.  Most people wouldn't come across the word often in documents and they have to remember that they won't hear it.  They can read letter by letter at the missing word location to verify that it is that word if they wish.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 12:53 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

Hi Jean,

 

What happens then if you come across the word graphic in a document?  Does it just get missed out?  That would make it awkward for proofing.  I don’t like using dictionaries as a cludge if I’m honest.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 16 February 2019 13:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

If this setting isn't available in preferences, and I am not aware of a do not announce graphics setting, you may be able to stop graphic from being announced using the speech dictionary.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

To all members
Does NVDA has feature to ignore graphic while navigating web page, and if it has, now to enable it?
A friend asked me this, and he shared him thought that sometimes he doesn't want to see graphics in article he reading, and he wonder if we could add this to NVDA if it doesn't exist. I can also create a tiket for this if noone did before.
Any help would be appreciated.
Cuong

----------------
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 The Assistive technology specialist
 Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
 Tel: +8428 7302-4488
 E-mail: info@...; tech@...
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Re: Golden Cursor question

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

Not really, my questions were genuine. I understand how NVDA works, but I don't think Golden Cursor is as good as using the JAWS cursor, especially if you add on Hotspot Clicker.

All the best

Steve

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

In a way this feeds into the discussion about the writing of manuals and explaining concepts to the average user. Its no good having a feature if you cannot make it understandable.
Brian

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From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>
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Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question


Amen!
You sure cannot do that much with the mouse with JAWS.
I said that by the way about the Golden Cursor doing much more than the
mouse feature in JAWS, and it is just a fact if one would read the
documentation for Golden Cursor!
David Moore

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Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 3:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 02:58 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really
see that.
Well, it can come in really, really handy for being able to activate
unlabeled controls, repeatedly, in programs one might not otherwise be able
to access.

I've helped someone who really needed to be able to use a program that was,
for all intents and purpose, completely inaccessible get through it for
their intended purposes just because they could do the equivalent of "point
and click" on the controls once we'd worked together to locate them on a
fully maximized window for that program. Admittedly, my sight was necessary
for the setup phase, but it made it possible to use this antique thing they
had to be able to use as they only needed to be able to activate two
controls (and I don't recall the details at this point).

There are different kinds of accessibility, and while this certainly isn't
complete in any meaningful sense it certainly is functional within the
context. I've recommended programs that are not 100% accessible but where
the function of focus is because it's only that function I intend the client
to use it for, and the program is particularly good at it.
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Re: Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

Gene
 

That is the slippery slope logical fallacy.  If you do something that works well in moderation or sparingly, you will do it more until it is destructive rather than constructive.  That logical fallacy implies that people have no sense of logic or proportion.  If you let someone speed to a hospital because their wife is in labor, before you know it, everyone will speed for any reason and the law won't be enforced. 
 
I didn't say that using the dictionary is as good as being able to turn the announcement off.  It will work in a case where a word isn't used often and where it can usually be determined or assumed that you haven't heard it because it is that word.  I wasn't talking about using the dictionary for word after word. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

I still don’t like it, however much you try to justify dictionary hacks.  Eventually you exclude loads of words, then it becomes more work.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

But if, for some reason, you hear a lot of graphics announced and you can't turn off graphic announcements in the settings, you may save yourself a good deal of annoyance.  and it isn't much work in general.  Think about when the last two or three times were that you heard the word graphic other than in this thread or when your screen-reader announced an actual graphic. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:54 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

That’s more hard work though, as well as concentrating on the text itself for mistakes, I’d say.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 19:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

By context a lot of the time.  if not, they will know a word is missing because what is being said won't make sense.  At that point, you can go back and read the word by letter.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:12 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

But how would they know the word was missing, if the synth didn’t utter anything?

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 19:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

Yes, it would be skipped.  Most people wouldn't come across the word often in documents and they have to remember that they won't hear it.  They can read letter by letter at the missing word location to verify that it is that word if they wish.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 12:53 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

Hi Jean,

 

What happens then if you come across the word graphic in a document?  Does it just get missed out?  That would make it awkward for proofing.  I don’t like using dictionaries as a cludge if I’m honest.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 16 February 2019 13:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

If this setting isn't available in preferences, and I am not aware of a do not announce graphics setting, you may be able to stop graphic from being announced using the speech dictionary.

Gene

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Subject: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

To all members
Does NVDA has feature to ignore graphic while navigating web page, and if it has, now to enable it?
A friend asked me this, and he shared him thought that sometimes he doesn't want to see graphics in article he reading, and he wonder if we could add this to NVDA if it doesn't exist. I can also create a tiket for this if noone did before.
Any help would be appreciated.
Cuong

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Re: Golden Cursor question

Steve Nutt
 

Hi David,

 

I read the documentation entirely, and I don’t agree with you.

 

With JAWS natively yes, but if you add on Hotspot clicker, then include JAWS mouse search, then JAWS currently does more.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: 18 February 2019 01:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Amen!

You sure cannot do that much with the mouse with JAWS.

I said that by the way about the Golden Cursor doing much more than the mouse feature in JAWS, and it is just a fact if one would read the documentation for Golden Cursor!

David Moore

 

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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 3:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 02:58 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

Well, it can come in really, really handy for being able to activate unlabeled controls, repeatedly, in programs one might not otherwise be able to access.

I've helped someone who really needed to be able to use a program that was, for all intents and purpose, completely inaccessible get through it for their intended purposes just because they could do the equivalent of "point and click" on the controls once we'd worked together to locate them on a fully maximized window for that program.  Admittedly, my sight was necessary for the setup phase, but it made it possible to use this antique thing they had to be able to use as they only needed to be able to activate two controls (and I don't recall the details at this point).

There are different kinds of accessibility, and while this certainly isn't complete in any meaningful sense it certainly is functional within the context.  I've recommended programs that are not 100% accessible but where the function of focus is because it's only that function I intend the client to use it for, and the program is particularly good at it.
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Re: column titles in Excel

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

 

This is the recommended method for JAWS as well, and the one I tend to use.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 17 February 2019 23:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] column titles in Excel

 

I generally find the easiest thing to do is to actually assign formal row and/or column titles as part of the spreadsheet itself.

See: Excel - Assigning a Title Row or Column (MS-Word Format)
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Re: NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Tony,

 

You are right.  If you do control up and down with JAWS, it says the word Selected, so it’s actually highlighting the messages as you move over them.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: 17 February 2019 22:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

 

Hi Brian,

So it looks like my ignorance was justified to some extent. I was so sure that threaded view was unusable because I did my own research on the Internet and didn't find any information about Control+Up/Down arrows. I actually don't remember finding any article about using Outlook with NVDA. This is a stark contrast with Thunderbird - NVAcces has an excellent tutorial on using Thunderbird with NVDA:

http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/accessible%20email%20client%20mozilla%20thunderbird.html

This tutorial also mentions something like "Thunderbird is the most accessible email client to work with NVDA". I don't mean to start email client war, I'm just saying that, because I was primed by this tutorial. And there is no alternative tutorial for NVDA+Outlook - or is there?

The only thing I found is an official accessibility guide for Outlook from Microsoft:

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/keyboard-shortcuts-for-navigating-mail-in-outlook-ca79fe45-80e5-47dd-b7a0-841d4711ed53

That mentiones Control+Up/Down shortcuts, but the function that they perform is called: "Select multiple non-adjacent messages". Who would've thought.

Anyway, it seems to me that there is some demand for a good tutorial on how to use NVDA with Outlook. Even though I still personally prefer Thunderbird at this point, it is always a good idea to have an alternative. Especially, it seems to me that Thunderbird development slows down these days (Mozilla no longer supports them and they are asking for donations more and more aggressively), and a couple of years down the road we might have to switch to Outlook as the only viable option.

--Tony

 

 

On 2/16/2019 1:11 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Tony,

           You're quite welcome.   To be perfectly honest, your reaction to Outlook conversation view is far from the only one that I've seen expressing the same sentiments.  Every time I see it my first desire is to reach out and throttle the person making it.

           Outlook is an incredibly mature product, and probably is the best-supported by screen readers in general.  Most of the time issues are not with Outlook, but with ignorance about how to use it (whether that's getting it to do something you want it to do or stop doing something you don't want it to do).  I didn't even know about the CTRL+Arrow keys and discovered it in response to the questions raised here.  I generally figure that, when it comes to Windows based programs of the age and stature that Outlook has achieved, that there's almost always some keystroke sequence to do virtually anything whether I happen to know what it is or not.  I experimented to find this one, and I also experimented to discover the two-level expansion.  I found that the latter is well documented after having discovered it myself.

             I get, more than you might think, the kind of frustration you had expressed.  But what my years "in the biz" have taught me is that there's generally a solution I don't know about when it seems obvious that a lot of people other than myself would probably be screaming if there weren't.
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Re: Golden Cursor question

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

 

I don’t really understand what you’re saying here in the context of JAWS.  Are you saying that JAWS can’t do this?  I’d beg to differ, although you’d have to get the Hotspot Clicker script that The Snowman has written, then you could do this just as easily.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 02:58 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

Well, it can come in really, really handy for being able to activate unlabeled controls, repeatedly, in programs one might not otherwise be able to access.

I've helped someone who really needed to be able to use a program that was, for all intents and purpose, completely inaccessible get through it for their intended purposes just because they could do the equivalent of "point and click" on the controls once we'd worked together to locate them on a fully maximized window for that program.  Admittedly, my sight was necessary for the setup phase, but it made it possible to use this antique thing they had to be able to use as they only needed to be able to activate two controls (and I don't recall the details at this point).

There are different kinds of accessibility, and while this certainly isn't complete in any meaningful sense it certainly is functional within the context.  I've recommended programs that are not 100% accessible but where the function of focus is because it's only that function I intend the client to use it for, and the program is particularly good at it.
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Re: Just testing

 

What happened, actually, is that I'm used to, from time to time, check my e-mail through the web and see what's going on, precisely to take something that I could miss off the spam folder.
I'm also used to delete all the emails in my trash folder, which I don't remind how it's called in English, but well...
Yesterday I was deleting emails from there and accidentally, after selecting all messages, I ended up clicking in the "mark as spam" option instead of "delete" or something like that.
Well along with the other emails, there was emails that I had sent, so let's say I marked myself as a spammer. Lol
I need to be more careful and I will do, next time.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 18/02/2019 05:06, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escreveu:

A lot of us get this from time to time. I have set up an iImap account so I can see the spam folder on my email providers servers. I then move spam to inbox when its appropriate and that then gets delivered to my pop3 service with the message sorting rules for my offline folders.
It seems to happen due to the way isps tend to  give scores to emails with regard to number coming from a source, sub line wording and repetition and listed on black list type servers sending the mail. You can often see the scores in the headers.
I would have thought they could avoid it by  not checking mail from a list, but I guess spammers would then spoof the headers to get to the final recipient. Sigh.
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Hi, the reason for this test is, I received an email just now telling me
that one my emails was marked as spam and I should try to subscribe
again after 7 days.
As it clearly was a mistake, I'm sending to the lists that I'm into test
emails to see if I keep on there.

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Re: Golden Cursor question

Steve Nutt
 

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

Steve Nutt
 

I still don’t like it, however much you try to justify dictionary hacks.  Eventually you exclude loads of words, then it becomes more work.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

But if, for some reason, you hear a lot of graphics announced and you can't turn off graphic announcements in the settings, you may save yourself a good deal of annoyance.  and it isn't much work in general.  Think about when the last two or three times were that you heard the word graphic other than in this thread or when your screen-reader announced an actual graphic. 

 

Gene

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From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:54 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

That’s more hard work though, as well as concentrating on the text itself for mistakes, I’d say.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 19:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

By context a lot of the time.  if not, they will know a word is missing because what is being said won't make sense.  At that point, you can go back and read the word by letter.

 

Gene

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From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:12 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

But how would they know the word was missing, if the synth didn’t utter anything?

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 19:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

Yes, it would be skipped.  Most people wouldn't come across the word often in documents and they have to remember that they won't hear it.  They can read letter by letter at the missing word location to verify that it is that word if they wish.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 12:53 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

Hi Jean,

 

What happens then if you come across the word graphic in a document?  Does it just get missed out?  That would make it awkward for proofing.  I don’t like using dictionaries as a cludge if I’m honest.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 16 February 2019 13:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

If this setting isn't available in preferences, and I am not aware of a do not announce graphics setting, you may be able to stop graphic from being announced using the speech dictionary.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

To all members
Does NVDA has feature to ignore graphic while navigating web page, and if it has, now to enable it?
A friend asked me this, and he shared him thought that sometimes he doesn't want to see graphics in article he reading, and he wonder if we could add this to NVDA if it doesn't exist. I can also create a tiket for this if noone did before.
Any help would be appreciated.
Cuong

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Re: CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

 

What makes Microsoft so good, is you can search for any setting.  JAWS has the same functionality, and I’d like to see it in NVDA, as I have said before.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION

 

Another thing, and it's not necessarily easy to do, is make settings structures have multiple routes to get to the settings one is actually looking for.

I actually think that Microsoft has done an admirable, if not perfect, job of doing that with the Windows 10 settings.  One can start digging in from any of several different likely ports of entry and follow a different route somewhat intuitively (somewhat) connected to how one started looking in the first place.

I think this is particularly necessary for any given setting that may relate to several seemingly unrelated feature sets but where each depends on that setting in some way.

A good example of the Windows 10 Settings where they did NOT succeed in this is the Use my sign-in info to automatically finish setting up my device and reopen my apps after an update or restart.  To me, even based upon the wording for the toggle itself, this should be a part of the Update & Security settings, but it isn't.  It's under Accounts, Sign-In options pane and I know of no way to get to it if you start out in Update & Security settings.

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Re: Golden Cursor question

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Joseph,

 

Well I only asked out of interest.  Because I use quite a bit of custom software that doesn’t lend itself to keyboard interface at all, this would be a useful addition.  The JAWS cursor, as I say, allows you to plunk the mouse down wherever you find a string of text.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

You mean an extension of NVDA find command to operate sort of everywhere? Not that I know of at the moment, but might be something that can be useful for version 4.0 (to be developed by someone, not me, as I’m the current guardian of that add-on and intend to pass it onto someone once Python 3 transition takes place).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 11:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: Question on Chrome, Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

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After reading the query though, it was obvious to me that it was asking about getting rid of clutter, some of which was graphical, but much was just clusters of links, maybe commercials or other sundry bits of content the page designer is anxious to show the user!
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On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 10:28 PM, Gene wrote:


But there may be times when people want to hear the page as it is when
reading. Perhaps the person wants to make sure that no related content
links are missed
Which has next to nothing in regard to answering the question asked at the outset of this topic.

I presume that it was a spin-off of the other one, so I am more than willing to limit my response to the scope set by the original request here.

Not only that, but in the case of what I offered, "You have been warned," definitely applies. If that's not what's wanted, then don't go that route.

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Re: Question on Chrome, Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

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What would be nice is to be able to cut and paste the uncluttered text so one can keep it in a normal text file format without having to edit out all the like this, picture stuff and the like afterwards.
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Subject: Re: Question on Chrome, Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?


I'm not sure what you were getting at here, Gene. If you want to hear
all the stuff on the page, the screen reader will do what you want. But
for most of us who want to read an article, we don't want to hear all
that junk. So reader mode is a great thing, and it can be invoked or
not, as it is part of the browser. So again, I am not sure what you are
referring to here.


Mary

On 2/17/2019 7:28 PM, Gene wrote:
But there may be times when people want to hear the page as it is when
reading. Perhaps the person wants to make sure that no related
content links are missed. Perhaps for other reasons I haven't thought
of. Just as the screen-reader has lots of settings for announcing or
not announcing information such as headings and links, it is
consistent with that design philosophy to also cause graphics to be
announced or not. The screen-reader shouldn't, by omission, steer the
user toward using a specific reading mode.
I haven't used recent versions of NVDA so I don't know if an announce
graphics has been added in document presentation settings But it
should be.
Gene
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Hi,
I use reader view in Firefox but did not know that chrome has a reader
view mode. I do not want to use chrome's read aloud feature, but could
you tell me how to use reader view in chrome?
Thanks!
-LM

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages
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Date: Sunday, February 17, 2019, 3:53 PM

This strikes me as something that
can be taken care of outside the screen reader, rather than
by the screen reader.

Firefox and Chrome both have reader modes and support the
Read Aloud add-on/extension. I have used the latter
extensively with several of my clients since it distills
webpages to their narrative text, getting rid of embedded
links, etc. It makes it possible to go through a Wikipedia
page without losing your mind, for instance.
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Re: Golden Cursor question

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In a way this feeds into the discussion about the writing of manuals and explaining concepts to the average user. Its no good having a feature if you cannot make it understandable.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question


Amen!
You sure cannot do that much with the mouse with JAWS.
I said that by the way about the Golden Cursor doing much more than the mouse feature in JAWS, and it is just a fact if one would read the documentation for Golden Cursor!
David Moore

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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 3:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 02:58 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.
Well, it can come in really, really handy for being able to activate unlabeled controls, repeatedly, in programs one might not otherwise be able to access.

I've helped someone who really needed to be able to use a program that was, for all intents and purpose, completely inaccessible get through it for their intended purposes just because they could do the equivalent of "point and click" on the controls once we'd worked together to locate them on a fully maximized window for that program. Admittedly, my sight was necessary for the setup phase, but it made it possible to use this antique thing they had to be able to use as they only needed to be able to activate two controls (and I don't recall the details at this point).

There are different kinds of accessibility, and while this certainly isn't complete in any meaningful sense it certainly is functional within the context. I've recommended programs that are not 100% accessible but where the function of focus is because it's only that function I intend the client to use it for, and the program is particularly good at it.
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Re: Just testing

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A lot of us get this from time to time. I have set up an iImap account so I can see the spam folder on my email providers servers. I then move spam to inbox when its appropriate and that then gets delivered to my pop3 service with the message sorting rules for my offline folders.
It seems to happen due to the way isps tend to give scores to emails with regard to number coming from a source, sub line wording and repetition and listed on black list type servers sending the mail. You can often see the scores in the headers.
I would have thought they could avoid it by not checking mail from a list, but I guess spammers would then spoof the headers to get to the final recipient. Sigh.
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From: "marcio via Groups.Io" <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>
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Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Just testing


Hi, the reason for this test is, I received an email just now telling me
that one my emails was marked as spam and I should try to subscribe
again after 7 days.
As it clearly was a mistake, I'm sending to the lists that I'm into test
emails to see if I keep on there.

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Marcio
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Em 17/02/2019 16:25, marcio via Groups.Io escreveu:

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Re: FW: Billboards and adverts

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Did you mean to post this here?
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