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Re: Using Office Products with UIA

 

Hi,

UIA support is already in use with Windows 10 unless it is somehow disabled from NVDA’s side.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 7:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

 

Does this same procedure work for enabling uia in Win 10?

Chris B

 

 

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 5:05 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

As an aside with this.
 1. if one puts this into the console in a portable version, does this only
apply to that version
2. Should one be able to see any difference in a portable version, given
that it has no access to the  resources being installed gives it?
3. Why when one types the whole thing in can one only see the first part, ie
the first line up to the  end of import config?

4. Given that one cannot see the rest, then does the command really work, or
is there something wrong with the console.
 IE I've tried this on a couple of snaps of recent versions and although
only slight I'd suggest that it  has a beneficial effect on two issues in
windows 7. IE the opened folder announcement works reliable and
More reliable page reading in Firefox when it has to load in a big page.

These may well be just the way things go, but I thought I'd ask as if it
does speed some things up, there might be some kind of speed up in disabling
it for some actions via an app module of some kind if windows 7 is in use.
 Brian

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From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA


Hi,
Before I show you how to do it, I'm going to warn you that, once UIA is
turned off, you may experience oddities. If you feel that NVDA is acting odd
for some reason, and if it turns out turning off UIA is to blame, then you
MUST turn UIA on and NEVER, EVER turn off UIA again (and if you do then ask
for instructions on how to turn off UIA, then I will definitely say, "sorry,
I gave you warnings, but perhaps your heart didn't see it coming").
To toggle UIA support:
1. Press Control+NVDA+Z to open Python Console.
2. Type the following as exactly as I show you:

import config
config.conf["UIA"]["enabled"] = False

3. Press Enter, then press Escape to close, then restart NVDA.
4. To enable UIA, repeat the above steps, but replace "False" with "True".

The above procedure may produce side effects, such as oddities, NVDA
announcing extra things or not announcing things as it should and so on. The
above procedure should NEVER be attempted on Windows 8 and later because
NVDA relies on UIA for crucial tasks such as announcing Start search
suggestions, reading toast notifications, and for Windows 10, making your
lives easier when using various Windows 10 apps (including current iteration
of Microsoft Edge). You are warned.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 9:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

hi.
thanks for replying me.
how can i modify configuration file?
i wish to turn off uia in windows 7 if one day i can access a system with
windows 7 and just use msaa on windows 7 like windows xp!
i someday tried windows 7 and i was unsatisfied of uia and wish to have msaa
forever.

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
> Hi,
> You can sort of do this (modifying the configuration file), though I
> can't guarantee if that will resolve all sorts of problems you may
> encounter as a result. For instance, although certain Windows Explorer
> features may become more "usable", it may not solve some problems you
> might be having.
> Also, on a personal note, I wouldn't really count on going back to
> Windows XP days, or for that matter, use that as a justification for
> turning off an accessibility API. As noted by at least two resident
> screen reader trainers (Gene and Brian), for all practical purposes,
> it would be wise to move on from XP if trying to perform certain
> productivity and web browsing tasks (XP was a massive target of a
> ransomware in 2017). Thus, personally, the request to consider turning
> off UIA in favor of MSAA just because of appearance of stability under
> XP is hereby denied (sorry; I do know it will come as not the answer
> you are looking for, but there's nothing I and other NVDA developers can
> do now).
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
>
> -----Original Message---
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:34 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA
>
> hi joseph.
> i have a question about uia.
> can you please teach me how to disable uia in windows 7 if one day i
> decided to use windows 7 or use a computer of someone who uses windows 7?
> i wish to disable uia in windows 7 and configure nvda to use msaa on
> windows
> 7 as nvda uses msaa on windows xp.
> i really need this change and i am waiting for your help, God bless you!
>
> On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t
>> be enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs
>> and regressions with UIA on.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin
>> Prater
>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as
>> reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use.
>> I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.
>>
>>
>> Devin Pratersent from Gmail.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@...
>> <mailto:kingettr@...> > wrote:
>>
>> If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word,
>> and since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't
>> this be on by default after1901?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> By God,
> were I given all the seven heavens
> with all they contain
> in order that
> I may disobey God
> by depriving an ant
> from the husk of a grain of barley,
> I would not do it.
> imam ali
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
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Re: CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION

 

Hi,
To me, saying that programmers should not write manuals robs them of a valuable educational opportunity to communicate (I am a programmer and do write documentation).
Cheers,
Joseph

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Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION

Yes this is exactly why programmers should not write manuals. They tend to adopt words and phrases like Carat and Gesture as shorthand but nobody out in the world has the slightest idea of what they mean.

Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION


On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 06:54 AM, Ian Westerland wrote:


Another way around the issue might be to define what the word means in
context so "gesture" could be used within the contextual definition. Just
a thought.
Ian,

Just because I have been in this situation more than once before, I have to
tell you that this idea will either not work at all or not work well.

People do not tend to read documentation cover to cover nor in order, and
that actually makes perfect sense. We seek out sections either via the
index, table of contents, or searching that appear to relate directly to the
issue we're trying to solve or the thing we're trying to learn about.

Gesture is an utterly unclear and inappropriate term for a command. Others
have stated exactly why, especially for your typical reader of English. If
one has to explain the basic concept of command then something's very, very
wrong with the terminology being used and you can be sure that many people
will miss the explanation for the reason I noted above.

The ability to directly apprehend meaning, with the bare minimum of
additional explanation, is critical in technical documentation. Mind you,
there are obviously times when "the bare minimum" will be far from bare or
minimal, but this isn't one of those.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

Re: Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi,

It is the same situation as JAWS’s keyboard manager (at least in the old days) where you had commands for keyboards, braille displays, and alike.

As for an explanation as to why it might not be separated for a while, see my post on road travel analogy.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 4:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi jean,

 

I think maybe they should be separated.  Keyboard Commands, Touch Gestures, not all lumped into one.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 16 February 2019 00:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

The problem is, what should this array of ways of input be called?  Maybe input commands, which would cover everything.  This is just one more example of the decline of English.  Apps and applications, two different things, are used increasingly interchangeably.  the language in general is becoming less precise and accurate and this is just one area.

 

Gene

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Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 6:15 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 07:06 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Input gestures are more abstract

Which is precisely the problem.  Callin something that is intimately familiar to the typical end user, and when it's currently the only method (regardless of keyboard being used), something "more abstract" is not the way to go. 

The folks at NV Access are far from the only software developers to go this route.   Almost every time it's the route taken it makes things more opaque to the target demographic, which is why it should be avoided in the first place.
 
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Re: Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Mallard
 

In my personal experience, the email address of the sender is not always displayed when you do a forward.


The only sure way is Alt+v, up arrow twice, Source, Enter, and search for From... As I mentioned in my previous message.


hth,

Ollie

Il 17/02/2019 16:16, Gene ha scritto:
I just tried this by creating a forward.  The address, in Windows Live Mail is not displayed in the from line.  its true that I was thinking of a reply but the result is the same.
Gene

*From:* Brad Snyder <mailto:wbsjr@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, February 17, 2019 9:08 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Your understanding is incorrect.
Creating a “Forwarded” message is not the same as a “Reply” in many email clients.

/- Brad -/




Begin forwarded message:

*From: *"Gene" <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>
*Subject: **Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA*
*Date: *February 17, 2019 at 08:50:20 CST
*To: *<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
*Reply-To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Not necessarily.  As I understand it, it may depend on how the e-mail list is configured.  it also depends on what the e-mail program shows.
Using Windows Live Mail, I only see the name in the reply from line.  On this list, I can get the sender's address in other ways, but those ways depend on the program itself.  If you see the address as you describe, what program are you using?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Brad Snyder <mailto:wbsjr@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, February 17, 2019 7:51 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

To find the email address of a sender to the group:
1) Create a forwarded message by typing CTRL + F, or however you choose to do so.
2) Navigate to the message body, and arrow down to the header information of the original message and find the line that begins with “From”.
3) This line contains the senders email address.

This should work in all email clients, including all versions of Outlook.

HTH

/- Brad -/




On Feb 17, 2019, at 06:11, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>> wrote:

I don't use Outlook but someone who does will likely provide information.
Gene
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*From:* Robert Geoffroy <mailto:robert.geoffroy77@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:50 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Gene,

Microsoft Outlook version 14.0.7229.5000

Thanks,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Gene
Envoyé : dimanche 17 février 2019 12:37
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

There are ways.  How you do so may depend on the e-mail program you are using.  What is your program?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Geoffroy <mailto:robert.geoffroy77@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka and all,

Did you see my message, Bianka (replying tou yours)?

Is there a way to write directly to the sender instead of the group?

Have a nice Sunday, February 17, 2019
Robert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Robert Geoffroy
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 13:58
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka, and thank you!

You offer me to send you a private mail: am I supposed to find your email anywhere? I don't know the trick! Here is my addresse: Robert.geoffroy77@... <mailto:Robert.geoffroy77@...>

Best regards,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Bianka Brankovic
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 12:47
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hello Robert,

I have stopped using offline dictionaries alltogether as either dict.leo.org <http://dict.leo.org/> or lingue.com <http://lingue.com/> usually does the trick at least for English-German German-English.

I have heard of people being successful with the online versions oft the Pons dictionaries though.

Maybe, if you could elaborate a bit on your scenario there might be other ressources you could use to solve your current issue. Also, I might be able to support with other German ressources, please drop me a private message if this is of interest to you.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka




















Re: Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Mallard
 

No, hold it...


If you press Alt+v and arrow up twice, you get to the Source of the Message.


There you have the headers, and you have to go down a lot to find the address, but that's definitely the safest and surest way to go about it.


If you do a search for the word "From" when you're in the headers, you'll have to repeat it four or five times if the message is to a group, but you'll definitely get to the email address.


hth,

Ollie

Il 17/02/2019 16:21, Robert Geoffroy ha scritto:
I have just been able to catch the desired email through the help of a sighted person: Jaws and NVDA only annonce the names of senders (after "from").

Thank you all,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Gene
Envoyé : dimanche 17 février 2019 15:50
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Not necessarily. As I understand it, it may depend on how the e-mail list is configured. it also depends on what the e-mail program shows.
Using Windows Live Mail, I only see the name in the reply from line. On this list, I can get the sender's address in other ways, but those ways depend on the program itself. If you see the address as you describe, what program are you using?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brad Snyder <mailto:wbsjr@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 7:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

To find the email address of a sender to the group:
1) Create a forwarded message by typing CTRL + F, or however you choose to do so.
2) Navigate to the message body, and arrow down to the header information of the original message and find the line that begins with “From”.
3) This line contains the senders email address.

This should work in all email clients, including all versions of Outlook.

HTH


- Brad -





On Feb 17, 2019, at 06:11, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I don't use Outlook but someone who does will likely provide information.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Geoffroy <mailto:robert.geoffroy77@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Gene,

Microsoft Outlook version 14.0.7229.5000

Thanks,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Gene
Envoyé : dimanche 17 février 2019 12:37
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

There are ways. How you do so may depend on the e-mail program you are using. What is your program?
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Geoffroy <mailto:robert.geoffroy77@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka and all,

Did you see my message, Bianka (replying tou yours)?

Is there a way to write directly to the sender instead of the group?

Have a nice Sunday, February 17, 2019
Robert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Robert Geoffroy
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 13:58
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka, and thank you!

You offer me to send you a private mail: am I supposed to find your email anywhere? I don't know the trick! Here is my addresse: Robert.geoffroy77@...

Best regards,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Bianka Brankovic
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 12:47
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hello Robert,

I have stopped using offline dictionaries alltogether as either dict.leo.org or lingue.com usually does the trick at least for English-German German-English.

I have heard of people being successful with the online versions oft the Pons dictionaries though.

Maybe, if you could elaborate a bit on your scenario there might be other ressources you could use to solve your current issue. Also, I might be able to support with other German ressources, please drop me a private message if this is of interest to you.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka






















Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Jonathan COHN
 

VoiceOver calls user assignable items as “commanders”. I don’t know if this is less confusing or not.

 

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Friday, February 15, 2019 at 7:09 PM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi,

Input gestures are more abstract – in that it includes not only keyboard commands, but also represents other input possibilities such as braille display buttons and touchscreen gestures (and perhaps one day, voice).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 3:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Richard,

            I will admit that I, too, find the adoption of the terminology "input gestures" for what are almost universally dubbed "keyboard shortcuts" just plain weird.  But I also know that most developers of things that have keyboard shortcuts that are add-ons know that what they have chosen as a keyboard shortcut might conflict with something else that a user has on their system and include the ability to reassign shortcuts due to this.

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Re: Graphics that contain links

greg@...
 
Edited

I need to clarify about the text boxes.  Some of the panoramas within any given park have text boxes that can be clicked to reserve / rent the focal point of the panorama.  Most of the time this focal point would be something likes a picnic pavilion, a campsite or some other space that can be rented.  Also, in a few of the panoramas, there are also hotspots that will launch a subordinate still images gallery in a lightbox that superimposes over the panorama and presumably takes the focus away from the panorama.  Those, in turn, have their own set of thumbnail graphics to navigate.  For right now, it would seem like progress to be able to get into and out off all of the opening panoramas and have access to the park description text boxes.
--
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www.photographyoptions.com

Greg@...

865-774-9755

Re: Graphics that contain links

greg@...
 

Wow Brian! Thanks for looking at the Marietta tour....because the hotpspots in that one are clickable text boxes with detailed information about each park.  The single combobox in that one lists something like 30 parks.  If you were able to find the combobox first, clicking  each item in the list would take you to the first image in each of 30 parks.  All of those have the text boxes with more complete information about the park.  It still isn't clear to me if you have figured out a way to get into those text boxes once the focus is on the first pano in every park.  If there is a way, I would be grateful to learn how you do it.   Then, the next problem would be about how to return the focus to the other thumb graphics associated with each park, and again, how to return to the combobox list so that you can go back and forth to get a quick overview of the infrastructure that exists in each park.  As a courtesy to the rest of the forum here is the Marietta tour link:  http://www.photographyoptions.net/images/marietta/tour.html.  I am grateful for the generous feedback and the time that many members of the forum have taken to look at this stuff and try to help me out.

Best regards, Greg
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Re: Using Office Products with UIA

Monte Single
 

O k.

I have not been following this thread.

What is u I a?

Thanks,

Monte

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: February-17-19 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

 

Does this same procedure work for enabling uia in Win 10?

Chris B

 

 

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 5:05 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

As an aside with this.
 1. if one puts this into the console in a portable version, does this only
apply to that version
2. Should one be able to see any difference in a portable version, given
that it has no access to the  resources being installed gives it?
3. Why when one types the whole thing in can one only see the first part, ie
the first line up to the  end of import config?

4. Given that one cannot see the rest, then does the command really work, or
is there something wrong with the console.
 IE I've tried this on a couple of snaps of recent versions and although
only slight I'd suggest that it  has a beneficial effect on two issues in
windows 7. IE the opened folder announcement works reliable and
More reliable page reading in Firefox when it has to load in a big page.

These may well be just the way things go, but I thought I'd ask as if it
does speed some things up, there might be some kind of speed up in disabling
it for some actions via an app module of some kind if windows 7 is in use.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA


Hi,
Before I show you how to do it, I'm going to warn you that, once UIA is
turned off, you may experience oddities. If you feel that NVDA is acting odd
for some reason, and if it turns out turning off UIA is to blame, then you
MUST turn UIA on and NEVER, EVER turn off UIA again (and if you do then ask
for instructions on how to turn off UIA, then I will definitely say, "sorry,
I gave you warnings, but perhaps your heart didn't see it coming").
To toggle UIA support:
1. Press Control+NVDA+Z to open Python Console.
2. Type the following as exactly as I show you:

import config
config.conf["UIA"]["enabled"] = False

3. Press Enter, then press Escape to close, then restart NVDA.
4. To enable UIA, repeat the above steps, but replace "False" with "True".

The above procedure may produce side effects, such as oddities, NVDA
announcing extra things or not announcing things as it should and so on. The
above procedure should NEVER be attempted on Windows 8 and later because
NVDA relies on UIA for crucial tasks such as announcing Start search
suggestions, reading toast notifications, and for Windows 10, making your
lives easier when using various Windows 10 apps (including current iteration
of Microsoft Edge). You are warned.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 9:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

hi.
thanks for replying me.
how can i modify configuration file?
i wish to turn off uia in windows 7 if one day i can access a system with
windows 7 and just use msaa on windows 7 like windows xp!
i someday tried windows 7 and i was unsatisfied of uia and wish to have msaa
forever.

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
> Hi,
> You can sort of do this (modifying the configuration file), though I
> can't guarantee if that will resolve all sorts of problems you may
> encounter as a result. For instance, although certain Windows Explorer
> features may become more "usable", it may not solve some problems you
> might be having.
> Also, on a personal note, I wouldn't really count on going back to
> Windows XP days, or for that matter, use that as a justification for
> turning off an accessibility API. As noted by at least two resident
> screen reader trainers (Gene and Brian), for all practical purposes,
> it would be wise to move on from XP if trying to perform certain
> productivity and web browsing tasks (XP was a massive target of a
> ransomware in 2017). Thus, personally, the request to consider turning
> off UIA in favor of MSAA just because of appearance of stability under
> XP is hereby denied (sorry; I do know it will come as not the answer
> you are looking for, but there's nothing I and other NVDA developers can
> do now).
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
>
> -----Original Message---
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:34 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA
>
> hi joseph.
> i have a question about uia.
> can you please teach me how to disable uia in windows 7 if one day i
> decided to use windows 7 or use a computer of someone who uses windows 7?
> i wish to disable uia in windows 7 and configure nvda to use msaa on
> windows
> 7 as nvda uses msaa on windows xp.
> i really need this change and i am waiting for your help, God bless you!
>
> On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t
>> be enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs
>> and regressions with UIA on.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin
>> Prater
>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as
>> reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use.
>> I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.
>>
>>
>> Devin Pratersent from Gmail.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@...
>> <mailto:kingettr@...> > wrote:
>>
>> If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word,
>> and since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't
>> this be on by default after1901?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> By God,
> were I given all the seven heavens
> with all they contain
> in order that
> I may disobey God
> by depriving an ant
> from the husk of a grain of barley,
> I would not do it.
> imam ali
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali









 

--

Christopher Bartlett

Re: Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Gene
 

That's probably because the address isn't there.  Screen-readers should read it if it is.  I also checked this in Windows live Mail by selecting the line and pasting it to the clipboard.  No address was there.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

I have just been able to catch the desired email through the help of a sighted person: Jaws and NVDA only annonce the names of senders (after "from").

Thank you all,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Gene
Envoyé : dimanche 17 février 2019 15:50
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Not necessarily.  As I understand it, it may depend on how the e-mail list is configured.  it also depends on what the e-mail program shows.
Using Windows Live Mail, I only see the name in the reply from line.  On this list, I can get the sender's address in other ways, but those ways depend on the program itself.  If you see the address as you describe, what program are you using?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brad Snyder <mailto:wbsjr@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 7:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

To find the email address of a sender to the group:
1) Create a forwarded message by typing CTRL + F, or however you choose to do so.
2) Navigate to the message body, and arrow down to the header information of the original message and find the line that begins with “From”.
3) This line contains the senders email address.

This should work in all email clients, including all versions of Outlook.

HTH


- Brad -





On Feb 17, 2019, at 06:11, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I don't use Outlook but someone who does will likely provide information.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Geoffroy <mailto:robert.geoffroy77@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Gene,

Microsoft Outlook version 14.0.7229.5000

Thanks,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Gene
Envoyé : dimanche 17 février 2019 12:37
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

There are ways.  How you do so may depend on the e-mail program you are using.  What is your program?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Geoffroy <mailto:robert.geoffroy77@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka and all,

Did you see my message, Bianka (replying tou yours)?

Is there a way to write directly to the sender instead of the group?

Have a nice Sunday, February 17, 2019
Robert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Robert Geoffroy
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 13:58
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka, and thank you!

You offer me to send you a private mail: am I supposed to find your email anywhere? I don't know the trick! Here is my addresse: Robert.geoffroy77@...

Best regards,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Bianka Brankovic
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 12:47
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hello Robert,

I have stopped using offline dictionaries alltogether as either dict.leo.org or lingue.com usually does the trick at least for English-German German-English.

I have heard of people being successful with the online versions oft the Pons dictionaries though.

Maybe, if you could elaborate a bit on your scenario there might be other ressources you could use to solve your current issue. Also, I might be able to support with other German ressources, please drop me a private message if this is of interest to you.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka

 
  






















Re: Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Robert Geoffroy
 

I have just been able to catch the desired email through the help of a sighted person: Jaws and NVDA only annonce the names of senders (after "from").

Thank you all,

Robert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Gene
Envoyé : dimanche 17 février 2019 15:50
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Not necessarily. As I understand it, it may depend on how the e-mail list is configured. it also depends on what the e-mail program shows.
Using Windows Live Mail, I only see the name in the reply from line. On this list, I can get the sender's address in other ways, but those ways depend on the program itself. If you see the address as you describe, what program are you using?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brad Snyder <mailto:wbsjr@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 7:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

To find the email address of a sender to the group:
1) Create a forwarded message by typing CTRL + F, or however you choose to do so.
2) Navigate to the message body, and arrow down to the header information of the original message and find the line that begins with “From”.
3) This line contains the senders email address.

This should work in all email clients, including all versions of Outlook.

HTH


- Brad -





On Feb 17, 2019, at 06:11, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I don't use Outlook but someone who does will likely provide information.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Geoffroy <mailto:robert.geoffroy77@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Gene,

Microsoft Outlook version 14.0.7229.5000

Thanks,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Gene
Envoyé : dimanche 17 février 2019 12:37
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

There are ways. How you do so may depend on the e-mail program you are using. What is your program?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Geoffroy <mailto:robert.geoffroy77@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka and all,

Did you see my message, Bianka (replying tou yours)?

Is there a way to write directly to the sender instead of the group?

Have a nice Sunday, February 17, 2019
Robert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Robert Geoffroy
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 13:58
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka, and thank you!

You offer me to send you a private mail: am I supposed to find your email anywhere? I don't know the trick! Here is my addresse: Robert.geoffroy77@...

Best regards,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Bianka Brankovic
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 12:47
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hello Robert,

I have stopped using offline dictionaries alltogether as either dict.leo.org or lingue.com usually does the trick at least for English-German German-English.

I have heard of people being successful with the online versions oft the Pons dictionaries though.

Maybe, if you could elaborate a bit on your scenario there might be other ressources you could use to solve your current issue. Also, I might be able to support with other German ressources, please drop me a private message if this is of interest to you.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka

Re: Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Gene
 

I just tried this by creating a forward.  The address, in Windows Live Mail is not displayed in the from line.  its true that I was thinking of a reply but the result is the same.
 
Gene

 

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 9:08 AM
Subject: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Your understanding is incorrect.
Creating a “Forwarded” message is not the same as a “Reply” in many email clients.

- Brad -




Begin forwarded message:

From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA
Date: February 17, 2019 at 08:50:20 CST

Not necessarily.  As I understand it, it may depend on how the e-mail list is configured.  it also depends on what the e-mail program shows. 
Using Windows Live Mail, I only see the name in the reply from line.  On this list, I can get the sender's address in other ways, but those ways depend on the program itself.  If you see the address as you describe, what program are you using?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

To find the email address of a sender to the group:
1) Create a forwarded message by typing CTRL + F, or however you choose to do so.
2) Navigate to the message body, and arrow down to the header information of the original message and find the line that begins with “From”.
3) This line contains the senders email address.

This should work in all email clients, including all versions of Outlook.

HTH

- Brad -




On Feb 17, 2019, at 06:11, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I don't use Outlook but someone who does will likely provide information.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Gene,

Microsoft Outlook version 14.0.7229.5000

Thanks,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Gene
Envoyé : dimanche 17 février 2019 12:37
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

There are ways.  How you do so may depend on the e-mail program you are using.  What is your program?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Geoffroy <mailto:robert.geoffroy77@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka and all,

Did you see my message, Bianka (replying tou yours)?

Is there a way to write directly to the sender instead of the group?

Have a nice Sunday, February 17, 2019
Robert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Robert Geoffroy
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 13:58
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka, and thank you!

You offer me to send you a private mail: am I supposed to find your email anywhere? I don't know the trick! Here is my addresse: Robert.geoffroy77@...

Best regards,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Bianka Brankovic
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 12:47
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hello Robert,

I have stopped using offline dictionaries alltogether as either dict.leo.org or lingue.com usually does the trick at least for English-German German-English.

I have heard of people being successful with the online versions oft the Pons dictionaries though.

Maybe, if you could elaborate a bit on your scenario there might be other ressources you could use to solve your current issue. Also, I might be able to support with other German ressources, please drop me a private message if this is of interest to you.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka

 
  

















Re: CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION

Rui Fontes
 

Hi Brian!

You wrote:
          What bothers me here, and it is not about you, but about those translators, is that it should be part and parcel of their jobs to obtain the necessary understanding about what it is that's being translated before they translate it.
Yah, that should be true to all professionals...



You wrote:
            I actually know of two here in the US who are screen reader users, but I don't think either "does" Portugese, though I could check if you'd like and put you in contact if desired.
It is not needed, thanks!

Rui Fontes

Re: Using Office Products with UIA

Christopher Bartlett
 

Does this same procedure work for enabling uia in Win 10?
Chris B


On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 5:05 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
As an aside with this.
 1. if one puts this into the console in a portable version, does this only
apply to that version
2. Should one be able to see any difference in a portable version, given
that it has no access to the  resources being installed gives it?
3. Why when one types the whole thing in can one only see the first part, ie
the first line up to the  end of import config?

4. Given that one cannot see the rest, then does the command really work, or
is there something wrong with the console.
 IE I've tried this on a couple of snaps of recent versions and although
only slight I'd suggest that it  has a beneficial effect on two issues in
windows 7. IE the opened folder announcement works reliable and
More reliable page reading in Firefox when it has to load in a big page.

These may well be just the way things go, but I thought I'd ask as if it
does speed some things up, there might be some kind of speed up in disabling
it for some actions via an app module of some kind if windows 7 is in use.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA


Hi,
Before I show you how to do it, I'm going to warn you that, once UIA is
turned off, you may experience oddities. If you feel that NVDA is acting odd
for some reason, and if it turns out turning off UIA is to blame, then you
MUST turn UIA on and NEVER, EVER turn off UIA again (and if you do then ask
for instructions on how to turn off UIA, then I will definitely say, "sorry,
I gave you warnings, but perhaps your heart didn't see it coming").
To toggle UIA support:
1. Press Control+NVDA+Z to open Python Console.
2. Type the following as exactly as I show you:

import config
config.conf["UIA"]["enabled"] = False

3. Press Enter, then press Escape to close, then restart NVDA.
4. To enable UIA, repeat the above steps, but replace "False" with "True".

The above procedure may produce side effects, such as oddities, NVDA
announcing extra things or not announcing things as it should and so on. The
above procedure should NEVER be attempted on Windows 8 and later because
NVDA relies on UIA for crucial tasks such as announcing Start search
suggestions, reading toast notifications, and for Windows 10, making your
lives easier when using various Windows 10 apps (including current iteration
of Microsoft Edge). You are warned.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 9:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

hi.
thanks for replying me.
how can i modify configuration file?
i wish to turn off uia in windows 7 if one day i can access a system with
windows 7 and just use msaa on windows 7 like windows xp!
i someday tried windows 7 and i was unsatisfied of uia and wish to have msaa
forever.

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
> Hi,
> You can sort of do this (modifying the configuration file), though I
> can't guarantee if that will resolve all sorts of problems you may
> encounter as a result. For instance, although certain Windows Explorer
> features may become more "usable", it may not solve some problems you
> might be having.
> Also, on a personal note, I wouldn't really count on going back to
> Windows XP days, or for that matter, use that as a justification for
> turning off an accessibility API. As noted by at least two resident
> screen reader trainers (Gene and Brian), for all practical purposes,
> it would be wise to move on from XP if trying to perform certain
> productivity and web browsing tasks (XP was a massive target of a
> ransomware in 2017). Thus, personally, the request to consider turning
> off UIA in favor of MSAA just because of appearance of stability under
> XP is hereby denied (sorry; I do know it will come as not the answer
> you are looking for, but there's nothing I and other NVDA developers can
> do now).
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
>
> -----Original Message---
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:34 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA
>
> hi joseph.
> i have a question about uia.
> can you please teach me how to disable uia in windows 7 if one day i
> decided to use windows 7 or use a computer of someone who uses windows 7?
> i wish to disable uia in windows 7 and configure nvda to use msaa on
> windows
> 7 as nvda uses msaa on windows xp.
> i really need this change and i am waiting for your help, God bless you!
>
> On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t
>> be enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs
>> and regressions with UIA on.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin
>> Prater
>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as
>> reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use.
>> I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.
>>
>>
>> Devin Pratersent from Gmail.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@...
>> <mailto:kingettr@...> > wrote:
>>
>> If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word,
>> and since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't
>> this be on by default after1901?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> By God,
> were I given all the seven heavens
> with all they contain
> in order that
> I may disobey God
> by depriving an ant
> from the husk of a grain of barley,
> I would not do it.
> imam ali
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali











--
Christopher Bartlett

Re: Graphics that contain links

 

Greg,

             I will play with this later in detail, but in looking at it this morning I can see why it would be an accessibility nightmare from a couple of angles, some of them not really easily solved.  The site is dealing with 360 degree or 180 degree continuously rotating panorama images and placing hotspots over specific areas of the images for closer examination (in the Cal Ripkin Park example) and the whole design is directly, not indirectly, aimed at using vision as the primary (I'd say almost sole) sensory apprehension method.   Others, like the Marietta Georgia parks are structured differently, but the way to understand the site is through what you're seeing more than anything else.

              This is the first, and only, site of its type that I've encountered.

              It should, however, be easy enough to add either ALT Text or some sort of descriptive text, possibly via help, that could be announced when hotspots are made visible.  But since the images on the main pages are constantly moving the hotspots pop up and disappear as parts of the image come in to or move out of the center of the screen.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Brad Snyder
 

Your understanding is incorrect.
Creating a “Forwarded” message is not the same as a “Reply” in many email clients.

- Brad -




Begin forwarded message:

From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA
Date: February 17, 2019 at 08:50:20 CST

Not necessarily.  As I understand it, it may depend on how the e-mail list is configured.  it also depends on what the e-mail program shows. 
Using Windows Live Mail, I only see the name in the reply from line.  On this list, I can get the sender's address in other ways, but those ways depend on the program itself.  If you see the address as you describe, what program are you using?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

To find the email address of a sender to the group:
1) Create a forwarded message by typing CTRL + F, or however you choose to do so.
2) Navigate to the message body, and arrow down to the header information of the original message and find the line that begins with “From”.
3) This line contains the senders email address.

This should work in all email clients, including all versions of Outlook.

HTH

- Brad -




On Feb 17, 2019, at 06:11, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I don't use Outlook but someone who does will likely provide information.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Gene,

Microsoft Outlook version 14.0.7229.5000

Thanks,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Gene
Envoyé : dimanche 17 février 2019 12:37
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

There are ways.  How you do so may depend on the e-mail program you are using.  What is your program?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Geoffroy <mailto:robert.geoffroy77@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka and all,

Did you see my message, Bianka (replying tou yours)?

Is there a way to write directly to the sender instead of the group?

Have a nice Sunday, February 17, 2019
Robert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Robert Geoffroy
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 13:58
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka, and thank you!

You offer me to send you a private mail: am I supposed to find your email anywhere? I don't know the trick! Here is my addresse: Robert.geoffroy77@...

Best regards,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Bianka Brankovic
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 12:47
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hello Robert,

I have stopped using offline dictionaries alltogether as either dict.leo.org or lingue.com usually does the trick at least for English-German German-English.

I have heard of people being successful with the online versions oft the Pons dictionaries though.

Maybe, if you could elaborate a bit on your scenario there might be other ressources you could use to solve your current issue. Also, I might be able to support with other German ressources, please drop me a private message if this is of interest to you.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka

 
  

















Re: Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Gene
 

Not necessarily.  As I understand it, it may depend on how the e-mail list is configured.  it also depends on what the e-mail program shows. 
Using Windows Live Mail, I only see the name in the reply from line.  On this list, I can get the sender's address in other ways, but those ways depend on the program itself.  If you see the address as you describe, what program are you using?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

To find the email address of a sender to the group:
1) Create a forwarded message by typing CTRL + F, or however you choose to do so.
2) Navigate to the message body, and arrow down to the header information of the original message and find the line that begins with “From”.
3) This line contains the senders email address.

This should work in all email clients, including all versions of Outlook.

HTH

- Brad -




On Feb 17, 2019, at 06:11, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I don't use Outlook but someone who does will likely provide information.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Gene,

Microsoft Outlook version 14.0.7229.5000

Thanks,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Gene
Envoyé : dimanche 17 février 2019 12:37
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

There are ways.  How you do so may depend on the e-mail program you are using.  What is your program?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Geoffroy <mailto:robert.geoffroy77@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka and all,

Did you see my message, Bianka (replying tou yours)?

Is there a way to write directly to the sender instead of the group?

Have a nice Sunday, February 17, 2019
Robert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Robert Geoffroy
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 13:58
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka, and thank you!

You offer me to send you a private mail: am I supposed to find your email anywhere? I don't know the trick! Here is my addresse: Robert.geoffroy77@...

Best regards,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Bianka Brankovic
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 12:47
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hello Robert,

I have stopped using offline dictionaries alltogether as either dict.leo.org or lingue.com usually does the trick at least for English-German German-English.

I have heard of people being successful with the online versions oft the Pons dictionaries though.

Maybe, if you could elaborate a bit on your scenario there might be other ressources you could use to solve your current issue. Also, I might be able to support with other German ressources, please drop me a private message if this is of interest to you.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka

 
  
















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Re: Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Brad Snyder
 

To find the email address of a sender to the group:
1) Create a forwarded message by typing CTRL + F, or however you choose to do so.
2) Navigate to the message body, and arrow down to the header information of the original message and find the line that begins with “From”.
3) This line contains the senders email address.

This should work in all email clients, including all versions of Outlook.

HTH

- Brad -




On Feb 17, 2019, at 06:11, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I don't use Outlook but someone who does will likely provide information.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Gene,

Microsoft Outlook version 14.0.7229.5000

Thanks,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Gene
Envoyé : dimanche 17 février 2019 12:37
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

There are ways.  How you do so may depend on the e-mail program you are using.  What is your program?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Geoffroy <mailto:robert.geoffroy77@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka and all,

Did you see my message, Bianka (replying tou yours)?

Is there a way to write directly to the sender instead of the group?

Have a nice Sunday, February 17, 2019
Robert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Robert Geoffroy
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 13:58
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka, and thank you!

You offer me to send you a private mail: am I supposed to find your email anywhere? I don't know the trick! Here is my addresse: Robert.geoffroy77@...

Best regards,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Bianka Brankovic
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 12:47
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hello Robert,

I have stopped using offline dictionaries alltogether as either dict.leo.org or lingue.com usually does the trick at least for English-German German-English.

I have heard of people being successful with the online versions oft the Pons dictionaries though.

Maybe, if you could elaborate a bit on your scenario there might be other ressources you could use to solve your current issue. Also, I might be able to support with other German ressources, please drop me a private message if this is of interest to you.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka

 
  
















Quick reminder on MS Word

luke scholey
 

Hi all

I know this was mentioned quite a bit last year on the list, but could someone just remind me how to stop NVDA from being so sluggish when reading large documents with Word? I’m using latest NVDA and word 2016 and it takes NVDA a few seconds to respond when typing and reading.

Thanks
Luke

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