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Re: Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigation keys to be active in desktop layout only

Tyler Wood
 

I personally use both commands when it suits me. Is there any reason in particular this is being done or is it simply to make things less confusing?

Can this perhaps be toggleable? I find it super nice, for example, to hit a command on the num pad with one hand but other times I really enjoy the laptop layout. It just depends what I’m doing at the time.

Thanks!

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: May 9, 2019 5:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigationkeys to be active in desktop layout only

 

Hi Quentin!

I wanted you to know that

I use the laptop commands for object navigation on my laptop, even though it has a Number pad.

I like the laptop commands better, because you can keep your hands right on the alpha-numeric keys. I love just being able to hold down the shift and NVDA keys, and just press the arrow keys to do object nav.

I would not be affected at all.

I just wanted you to know!

David Moore

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From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 5:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigationkeys to be active in desktop layout only

 

Hi Marcio,

 

Do you use laptop layout or desktop layout currently?  Laptop layout already redefines all the object navigation keys to use other keys on the keyboard (the original idea was that laptop layout would provide full functionality on a keyboard without a number pad).  Currently what actually happens is that with NVDA in laptop keyboard layout, you have access to BOTH the laptop layout object navigation, AND the desktop (number pad) object navigation.

 

Our proposal is to set the number pad object navigation commands to work ONLY in Desktop layout (which is what most people expect anyway).

 

Would that break how you currently use NVDA?  Since you said your number pad isn't working, it sounds like it shouldn't make a difference, but maybe I didn't explain it well to begin with.

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 8:37 PM Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:

For a laptop with a numpad just set the layout to desktop and you’re done.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Donnerstag, 9. Mai 2019 11:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigation keys to be active in desktop layout only

 

Quentin,
I do have a laptop which was supposed to have a numpad. Nowadays, it's not working.
So, with this new proposal, would I lose all the functionalities related to object navigation?
If so, I'd imagine that the proposal for a hybrid layout is more desirable, especially for me because this way I don't lose access to all of this.


Cheers,
Marcio

AKA Starboy

 

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Em 08/05/2019 21:11, Quentin Christensen disse:

Following on from the Key assignments in NVDA thread, I have created an issue on GitHub:  https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9549 

 

Basically, the desktop layout object navigation and review cursor keys in NVDA are actually set to be active for ALL keyboard layouts.

 

Laptop layout was designed for users without a number pad, but there are users who use Laptop layout but still have a number pad and wish to use this for navigation (Without NVDA running, the number pad, with numlock off, replicates the navigation keys of home, end, page up, page down, insert, delete and the arrow keys and some laptops have a number pad but no separate navigation keys).

 

My proposal then is to set the desktop object navigation / review cursor keys to be active in desktop layout only.

 

If there is anyone who uses laptop layout but still wants to access the desktop layout object navigation keys, please let us know!

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

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Re: Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigation keys to be active in desktop layout only

David Moore
 

Hi Quentin!

I wanted you to know that

I use the laptop commands for object navigation on my laptop, even though it has a Number pad.

I like the laptop commands better, because you can keep your hands right on the alpha-numeric keys. I love just being able to hold down the shift and NVDA keys, and just press the arrow keys to do object nav.

I would not be affected at all.

I just wanted you to know!

David Moore

                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 5:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigationkeys to be active in desktop layout only

 

Hi Marcio,

 

Do you use laptop layout or desktop layout currently?  Laptop layout already redefines all the object navigation keys to use other keys on the keyboard (the original idea was that laptop layout would provide full functionality on a keyboard without a number pad).  Currently what actually happens is that with NVDA in laptop keyboard layout, you have access to BOTH the laptop layout object navigation, AND the desktop (number pad) object navigation.

 

Our proposal is to set the number pad object navigation commands to work ONLY in Desktop layout (which is what most people expect anyway).

 

Would that break how you currently use NVDA?  Since you said your number pad isn't working, it sounds like it shouldn't make a difference, but maybe I didn't explain it well to begin with.

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 8:37 PM Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:

For a laptop with a numpad just set the layout to desktop and you’re done.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Donnerstag, 9. Mai 2019 11:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigation keys to be active in desktop layout only

 

Quentin,
I do have a laptop which was supposed to have a numpad. Nowadays, it's not working.
So, with this new proposal, would I lose all the functionalities related to object navigation?
If so, I'd imagine that the proposal for a hybrid layout is more desirable, especially for me because this way I don't lose access to all of this.


Cheers,
Marcio

AKA Starboy

 

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Em 08/05/2019 21:11, Quentin Christensen disse:

Following on from the Key assignments in NVDA thread, I have created an issue on GitHub:  https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9549 

 

Basically, the desktop layout object navigation and review cursor keys in NVDA are actually set to be active for ALL keyboard layouts.

 

Laptop layout was designed for users without a number pad, but there are users who use Laptop layout but still have a number pad and wish to use this for navigation (Without NVDA running, the number pad, with numlock off, replicates the navigation keys of home, end, page up, page down, insert, delete and the arrow keys and some laptops have a number pad but no separate navigation keys).

 

My proposal then is to set the desktop object navigation / review cursor keys to be active in desktop layout only.

 

If there is anyone who uses laptop layout but still wants to access the desktop layout object navigation keys, please let us know!

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

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Re: Bad boots of NVDA

Luke Davis
 

On Thu, 9 May 2019, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

I have yet to find a complete list of these "shortcuts".
All they are, are system environment variables. There is an environment variable called "tmp", which is set to the user's temporary directory. To use that variable in a commandline, which is what the run dialog is, you put percent signs around it.

To see a list of all currently set variables, use the "set" command without any parameters, in a DOS shell window.

Windows-r
cmd
<enter>
set | more
<enter>
exit
<enter>

Note that there is a vertical bar (shifted backslash) between set and more.

It is more useful to read these line by line, instead of letting NVDA just read through the whole thing from top to bottom after you press enter.

The text on the left is the system variable, the text on the right is the value.

"More" is the standard commandline text pager, so when you're done with the first page, press space for the second, etc..

And thus ends your vintage early 90s DOS lesson for the day, LOL.

Luke


Re: Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigation keys to be active in desktop layout only

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Marcio,

Do you use laptop layout or desktop layout currently?  Laptop layout already redefines all the object navigation keys to use other keys on the keyboard (the original idea was that laptop layout would provide full functionality on a keyboard without a number pad).  Currently what actually happens is that with NVDA in laptop keyboard layout, you have access to BOTH the laptop layout object navigation, AND the desktop (number pad) object navigation.

Our proposal is to set the number pad object navigation commands to work ONLY in Desktop layout (which is what most people expect anyway).

Would that break how you currently use NVDA?  Since you said your number pad isn't working, it sounds like it shouldn't make a difference, but maybe I didn't explain it well to begin with.

Quentin.

On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 8:37 PM Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:

For a laptop with a numpad just set the layout to desktop and you’re done.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Donnerstag, 9. Mai 2019 11:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigation keys to be active in desktop layout only

 

Quentin,
I do have a laptop which was supposed to have a numpad. Nowadays, it's not working.
So, with this new proposal, would I lose all the functionalities related to object navigation?
If so, I'd imagine that the proposal for a hybrid layout is more desirable, especially for me because this way I don't lose access to all of this.


Cheers,
Marcio

AKA Starboy

 

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Em 08/05/2019 21:11, Quentin Christensen disse:

Following on from the Key assignments in NVDA thread, I have created an issue on GitHub:  https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9549 

 

Basically, the desktop layout object navigation and review cursor keys in NVDA are actually set to be active for ALL keyboard layouts.

 

Laptop layout was designed for users without a number pad, but there are users who use Laptop layout but still have a number pad and wish to use this for navigation (Without NVDA running, the number pad, with numlock off, replicates the navigation keys of home, end, page up, page down, insert, delete and the arrow keys and some laptops have a number pad but no separate navigation keys).

 

My proposal then is to set the desktop object navigation / review cursor keys to be active in desktop layout only.

 

If there is anyone who uses laptop layout but still wants to access the desktop layout object navigation keys, please let us know!

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

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Re: NVDA remote

Kerryn Gunness
 


the f 11 key is used to switch between the controller computer and the computer you are controlling
 

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Subject: [nvda] NVDA remote

Hi all, Can anyone give me advice? in the instructions I read how to connect to the person via the NVDA remote. I tried everything possible, but I don't know why it still doesn't work for me. I didn't control the remote computer with the F11 key. I don't understand why. Thank!


Re: this is the call for topics letter that needs to be sent around.

Antony Stone
 

Sorry, but what are we supposed to read or share?

Is this something that belongs better on the chat sub-group? Hard to tell
until we know how NVDA-specific it is...

Antony.

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Hey there. To all would you please share this the date this closes is the
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Re: Bad boots of NVDA

 

Luke,
Probably not.  Try %tmp%

If that doesn't work for some reason, possibly:

%localappdata%\temp
Thanks a lot. Both paths worked.
I have yet to find a complete list of these "shortcuts".

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this is the call for topics letter that needs to be sent around.

lauracornwell
 

Hey there. To all would you please share this the   date this closes is the end of June so please take the time to read this .


Re: Bad boots of NVDA

Roger Stewart
 

Yes, the nvda icon shows ctrl alt n as its shortcut key. This isn't the problem at all. As I said, once I stop nvda with P View, I can then just hit ctrl alt n and nvda starts up normally and everything is normal.
Roger

On 5/9/2019 3:13 PM, Jackie wrote:
Actually, another way to do this is to go to your NVDA desktop
shortcut & press alt enter once it's highlighted. You'll be in the
properties dialog box. Tab till you hear "shortcut : hotkey field"
(likely, you'll tab twice). It should say control + alt +n, assuming
the hotkey has not been changed, & assuming a US keyboard
configuration, as other configurations may differ.

On 5/9/19, Roger Stewart <paganus2@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a couple configuration profiles but I did nothing to the standard
nvda start shortcut nor have I reassigned any function in any add on to
that shortcut.
Roger









On 5/9/2019 3:01 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Hi Roger

I have not noticed this on boot as you describe, but I have
experienced it while using web browsers and in other contexts (but
mainly with Firefox).
When it happens, I can usually do a control-alt-n, the standard start
NVDA shortcut key, which kills the running copy and starts a new one.
Note, that this is not an NVDA key, it is a Windows shortcut key.

It was unclear from your messages whether you actually tried this.

If you have, and it doesn't work: then as someone else suggested, you
may have re-mapped that key to something.  The only way I can think of
to determine whether that is the case, is to enter key describer mode
(nvda-1), and then press control-alt-n.  If NVDA restarts, it probably
hasn't been reassigned, at least not in the standard profile.

Do you have any configuration profiles setup?

Luke

On Thu, 9 May 2019, Roger Stewart wrote:

I've been noticing that somewhat often now, whenever I boot up my
computer, nvda comes on, but all its hotkeys are dead. I can't even
use nvda q to try to restart it. I have a P View utility that shows
all processes running and can offer to stop any of them. I can then
stop NVDA and then start it with its normal hotkey and then all is
good. This is the only way I can get it going correctly aside from a
total reboot. This has happened 3 times over the past week.  Does
anyone know what causes this and is there any better way of getting
out of this?



Re: Bad boots of NVDA

Luke Davis
 

On Thu, 9 May 2019, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

My bad. It should've been \Users\YourUser\Appdata\Local\Temp.
Now, I don't know of any short way for getting there so you'll have to type it manually.
Probably not. Try %tmp%

If that doesn't work for some reason, possibly:

%localappdata%\temp

Luke

On Thu, 9 May 2019, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

My bad. It should've been \Users\YourUser\Appdata\Local\Temp.
Now, I don't know of any short way for getting there so you'll have to type it manually.
Like if you user are Roger
C:\Users\Roger\Appdata\Local\Temp


Re: NVDA remote

Kevin Cussick
 

are you both using the same keyboard? it states in the user guide that you should be using the same keyboard like the same language and the same type of keyboard, like laptop or desktop.

On 09/05/2019 16:45, Ján Kulik wrote:
yes, I hear 2 tones correctly that the connection is successful. And when I hear 3 tones, it means I am connected to a control server that can control my computer.


Re: Bad boots of NVDA

 

My bad. It should've been \Users\YourUser\Appdata\Local\Temp.
Now, I don't know of any short way for getting there so you'll have to type it manually.
Like if you user are Roger
C:\Users\Roger\Appdata\Local\Temp

Hth


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Em 09/05/2019 17:11, Roger Stewart disse:

I just checked in app data and my nvda folder. I find nothing called log or log files of any kind there. They may be hidden or system files and don't show up. I even checked in all the subfolders of nvda and found nothing like logs there either.
Roger








On 5/9/2019 2:44 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
NVDA always save two logs. One is the log regarding your NVDA currently running and the other is the log for the last time NVDA was restarted.
This second file is called nvda-old.log. Both files are located at %appdata%.

Hth


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Em 09/05/2019 16:33, Roger Stewart disse:
How and where would I find an old log file? I thought that file was dumped when nvda is shut down and a new one started the next time nvda is run.









On 5/9/2019 2:08 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Can you type nvda -r in the run dialogue and restart tyat way? Then pull up a old log file and set the text to the list?

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On 9 May 2019, at 10:57, Jackie wrote:

Well, ahem. That didn't work for me either.

On 5/9/19, Brice Mijares bricemijares@... wrote:

I realized I forgot to mention the alt key. Also, it don't allays work.

On 5/9/2019 10:36 AM, Jackie wrote:

That certainly was ineffective when I attempted it. You really meant
NVDA key + n, Bryce?

On 5/9/19, Brice Mijares bricemijares@... wrote:

This also happens to me maybe once a week. Usually holding down the
NVDA key and tapping the letter N twice will reboot NVDA. H T H.

On 5/9/2019 10:04 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:

I've been noticing that somewhat often now, whenever I boot up my
computer, nvda comes on, but all its hotkeys are dead. I can't even use
nvda q to try to restart it. I have a P View utility that shows all
processes running and can offer to stop any of them. I can then stop
NVDA and then start it with its normal hotkey and then all is good.
This
is the only way I can get it going correctly aside from a total reboot.
This has happened 3 times over the past week.  Does anyone know what
causes this and is there any better way of getting out of this?

Thanks.

Roger

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Re: Bad boots of NVDA

Jackie
 

Actually, another way to do this is to go to your NVDA desktop
shortcut & press alt enter once it's highlighted. You'll be in the
properties dialog box. Tab till you hear "shortcut : hotkey field"
(likely, you'll tab twice). It should say control + alt +n, assuming
the hotkey has not been changed, & assuming a US keyboard
configuration, as other configurations may differ.

On 5/9/19, Roger Stewart <paganus2@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a couple configuration profiles but I did nothing to the standard
nvda start shortcut nor have I reassigned any function in any add on to
that shortcut.
Roger









On 5/9/2019 3:01 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Hi Roger

I have not noticed this on boot as you describe, but I have
experienced it while using web browsers and in other contexts (but
mainly with Firefox).
When it happens, I can usually do a control-alt-n, the standard start
NVDA shortcut key, which kills the running copy and starts a new one.
Note, that this is not an NVDA key, it is a Windows shortcut key.

It was unclear from your messages whether you actually tried this.

If you have, and it doesn't work: then as someone else suggested, you
may have re-mapped that key to something.  The only way I can think of
to determine whether that is the case, is to enter key describer mode
(nvda-1), and then press control-alt-n.  If NVDA restarts, it probably
hasn't been reassigned, at least not in the standard profile.

Do you have any configuration profiles setup?

Luke

On Thu, 9 May 2019, Roger Stewart wrote:

I've been noticing that somewhat often now, whenever I boot up my
computer, nvda comes on, but all its hotkeys are dead. I can't even
use nvda q to try to restart it. I have a P View utility that shows
all processes running and can offer to stop any of them. I can then
stop NVDA and then start it with its normal hotkey and then all is
good. This is the only way I can get it going correctly aside from a
total reboot. This has happened 3 times over the past week.  Does
anyone know what causes this and is there any better way of getting
out of this?




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Re: Bad boots of NVDA

Roger Stewart
 

I just checked in app data and my nvda folder. I find nothing called log or log files of any kind there. They may be hidden or system files and don't show up. I even checked in all the subfolders of nvda and found nothing like logs there either.
Roger








On 5/9/2019 2:44 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
NVDA always save two logs. One is the log regarding your NVDA currently running and the other is the log for the last time NVDA was restarted.
This second file is called nvda-old.log. Both files are located at %appdata%.

Hth


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Em 09/05/2019 16:33, Roger Stewart disse:
How and where would I find an old log file? I thought that file was dumped when nvda is shut down and a new one started the next time nvda is run.









On 5/9/2019 2:08 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Can you type nvda -r in the run dialogue and restart tyat way? Then pull up a old log file and set the text to the list?

Take care

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On 9 May 2019, at 10:57, Jackie wrote:

Well, ahem. That didn't work for me either.

On 5/9/19, Brice Mijares bricemijares@... wrote:

I realized I forgot to mention the alt key. Also, it don't allays work.

On 5/9/2019 10:36 AM, Jackie wrote:

That certainly was ineffective when I attempted it. You really meant
NVDA key + n, Bryce?

On 5/9/19, Brice Mijares bricemijares@... wrote:

This also happens to me maybe once a week. Usually holding down the
NVDA key and tapping the letter N twice will reboot NVDA. H T H.

On 5/9/2019 10:04 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:

I've been noticing that somewhat often now, whenever I boot up my
computer, nvda comes on, but all its hotkeys are dead. I can't even use
nvda q to try to restart it. I have a P View utility that shows all
processes running and can offer to stop any of them. I can then stop
NVDA and then start it with its normal hotkey and then all is good.
This
is the only way I can get it going correctly aside from a total reboot.
This has happened 3 times over the past week.  Does anyone know what
causes this and is there any better way of getting out of this?

Thanks.

Roger

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Re: Bad boots of NVDA

Roger Stewart
 

I have a couple configuration profiles but I did nothing to the standard nvda start shortcut nor have I reassigned any function in any add on to that shortcut.
Roger

On 5/9/2019 3:01 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Hi Roger

I have not noticed this on boot as you describe, but I have experienced it while using web browsers and in other contexts (but mainly with Firefox).
When it happens, I can usually do a control-alt-n, the standard start NVDA shortcut key, which kills the running copy and starts a new one.  Note, that this is not an NVDA key, it is a Windows shortcut key.

It was unclear from your messages whether you actually tried this.

If you have, and it doesn't work: then as someone else suggested, you may have re-mapped that key to something.  The only way I can think of to determine whether that is the case, is to enter key describer mode (nvda-1), and then press control-alt-n.  If NVDA restarts, it probably hasn't been reassigned, at least not in the standard profile.

Do you have any configuration profiles setup?

Luke

On Thu, 9 May 2019, Roger Stewart wrote:

I've been noticing that somewhat often now, whenever I boot up my computer, nvda comes on, but all its hotkeys are dead. I can't even use nvda q to try to restart it. I have a P View utility that shows all processes running and can offer to stop any of them. I can then stop NVDA and then start it with its normal hotkey and then all is good. This is the only way I can get it going correctly aside from a total reboot. This has happened 3 times over the past week.  Does anyone know what causes this and is there any better way of getting out of this?


Re: Bad boots of NVDA

Luke Davis
 

Hi Roger

I have not noticed this on boot as you describe, but I have experienced it while using web browsers and in other contexts (but mainly with Firefox).
When it happens, I can usually do a control-alt-n, the standard start NVDA shortcut key, which kills the running copy and starts a new one. Note, that this is not an NVDA key, it is a Windows shortcut key.

It was unclear from your messages whether you actually tried this.

If you have, and it doesn't work: then as someone else suggested, you may have re-mapped that key to something. The only way I can think of to determine whether that is the case, is to enter key describer mode (nvda-1), and then press control-alt-n. If NVDA restarts, it probably hasn't been reassigned, at least not in the standard profile.

Do you have any configuration profiles setup?

Luke

On Thu, 9 May 2019, Roger Stewart wrote:

I've been noticing that somewhat often now, whenever I boot up my computer, nvda comes on, but all its hotkeys are dead. I can't even use nvda q to try to restart it. I have a P View utility that shows all processes running and can offer to stop any of them. I can then stop NVDA and then start it with its normal hotkey and then all is good. This is the only way I can get it going correctly aside from a total reboot. This has happened 3 times over the past week.  Does anyone know what causes this and is there any better way of getting out of this?


Re: Bad boots of NVDA

 

NVDA always save two logs. One is the log regarding your NVDA currently running and the other is the log for the last time NVDA was restarted.
This second file is called nvda-old.log. Both files are located at %appdata%.

Hth


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Em 09/05/2019 16:33, Roger Stewart disse:

How and where would I find an old log file? I thought that file was dumped when nvda is shut down and a new one started the next time nvda is run.









On 5/9/2019 2:08 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Can you type nvda -r in the run dialogue and restart tyat way? Then pull up a old log file and set the text to the list?

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On 9 May 2019, at 10:57, Jackie wrote:

Well, ahem. That didn't work for me either.

On 5/9/19, Brice Mijares bricemijares@... wrote:

I realized I forgot to mention the alt key. Also, it don't allays work.

On 5/9/2019 10:36 AM, Jackie wrote:

That certainly was ineffective when I attempted it. You really meant
NVDA key + n, Bryce?

On 5/9/19, Brice Mijares bricemijares@... wrote:

This also happens to me maybe once a week. Usually holding down the
NVDA key and tapping the letter N twice will reboot NVDA. H T H.

On 5/9/2019 10:04 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:

I've been noticing that somewhat often now, whenever I boot up my
computer, nvda comes on, but all its hotkeys are dead. I can't even use
nvda q to try to restart it. I have a P View utility that shows all
processes running and can offer to stop any of them. I can then stop
NVDA and then start it with its normal hotkey and then all is good.
This
is the only way I can get it going correctly aside from a total reboot.
This has happened 3 times over the past week.  Does anyone know what
causes this and is there any better way of getting out of this?

Thanks.

Roger

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Re: Bad boots of NVDA

Roger Stewart
 

How and where would I find an old log file? I thought that file was dumped when nvda is shut down and a new one started the next time nvda is run.









On 5/9/2019 2:08 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Can you type nvda -r in the run dialogue and restart tyat way? Then pull up a old log file and set the text to the list?

Take care

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On 9 May 2019, at 10:57, Jackie wrote:

Well, ahem. That didn't work for me either.

On 5/9/19, Brice Mijares bricemijares@... wrote:

I realized I forgot to mention the alt key. Also, it don't allays work.

On 5/9/2019 10:36 AM, Jackie wrote:

That certainly was ineffective when I attempted it. You really meant
NVDA key + n, Bryce?

On 5/9/19, Brice Mijares bricemijares@... wrote:

This also happens to me maybe once a week. Usually holding down the
NVDA key and tapping the letter N twice will reboot NVDA. H T H.

On 5/9/2019 10:04 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:

I've been noticing that somewhat often now, whenever I boot up my
computer, nvda comes on, but all its hotkeys are dead. I can't even use
nvda q to try to restart it. I have a P View utility that shows all
processes running and can offer to stop any of them. I can then stop
NVDA and then start it with its normal hotkey and then all is good.
This
is the only way I can get it going correctly aside from a total reboot.
This has happened 3 times over the past week.  Does anyone know what
causes this and is there any better way of getting out of this?

Thanks.

Roger

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Re: NVDA remote

Luke Davis
 

The solution is probably to email him, or direct him to, a link to the latest NVDA installer, and then after he successfully does that, email him a link to, or the actual file for, the latest version of NVDA remote.

Luke

On Thu, 9 May 2019, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Ján,
he doesn't know what version he has and he doesn't know what his NVDA version is.
This may well be the root cause for all of this.
Though I'd love to be wrong on this one, I'm almost sure that if you use an NVDA/NVDA Remote with a version other than that that the person you are trying
to help is using, you won't have success controlling their machine.
You'll be able to connect, though. Just what you're reporting. You can connect but you can't control the machine.
Well, I guess we found the problem. What a pity we haven't  found the solution.


Re: Synthesizer support

Gene
 

Without installing anything, the sound card will play.
 
I don't know what your idea of an external sound card is.  They come in a lot of different shapes and sizes and they aren't shaped like cards you put in a computer. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2019 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Synthesizer support

Will the external sound card work even though there are no drivers installed?  I'll give it a try.  I already

 have a USB sound card--that isn't really a card, just a little square box.

On 5/8/2019 10:38 AM, Gene wrote:
I doubt you can but you can buy a very inexpensive external sound card, just plug it in, and attach your speakers.  If you don't have sound, try rebooting while the sound card is connected. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2019 8:52 AM
Subject: [nvda] Synthesizer support

Happy Wednesday all.


Is there any way to make a portable copy of NVDA drive an old external
hardware synthesizer?


I have a computer that I messed up; deleted the sound drivers.And, of
course, nothing can talk now.  But I do have several kinds of older
hardware serial and parallel synthesizers.  If I can get it talking,
maybe I could reinstall the drivers?


Thanks.


Howard



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