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Re: two questions on Windows10: notifications and skype

Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello Simone,

In NVDA menu, if you go to settings, object presentation, is report notifications and report tooltips checked?

For Skype, what does not work?

Best

Sylvie

Le 19/02/2019 à 09:33, Simone Dal Maso a écrit :

Hello,
Does NVDA read incoming notifications on your Windows10?
On my pc it worked a while, but in the last 2 months it stopped. Perhaps some windows update?
Same problem on skype, where the dedicated hotkeys don't work anymore.
Do you confirm this issues?

two questions on Windows10: notifications and skype

Simone Dal Maso
 

Hello,
Does NVDA read incoming notifications on your Windows10?
On my pc it worked a while, but in the last 2 months it stopped. Perhaps some windows update?
Same problem on skype, where the dedicated hotkeys don't work anymore.
Do you confirm this issues?

Re: Using Office Products with UIA

Gene
 

What are you describing?  Document mode is a review mode.  Browse mode is intended to be used in a browser or a PDF document in programs that support it.  it creates a virtual cursor.  As far as I know, you aren't intended to use document review in browse mode.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

a problem also Joseph, is that with UIA enabled, NVDA brows mode and document mode, when you exit browse mode, are on completely different parts of a document.

On 2/17/2019 1:22 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t be enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs and regressions with UIA on.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

 

I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use. I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.

Devin Pratersent from Gmail.

 

 

On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@...> wrote:

If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word, and since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't this be on by default after1901?

Re: Using Office Products with UIA

enes sarıbaş
 

a problem also Joseph, is that with UIA enabled, NVDA brows mode and document mode, when you exit browse mode, are on completely different parts of a document.

On 2/17/2019 1:22 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t be enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs and regressions with UIA on.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

 

I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use. I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.

Devin Pratersent from Gmail.

 

 

On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@...> wrote:

If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word, and since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't this be on by default after1901?

Re: Skim reading problems during Say All

 

hi.
i confirm this behaviour in nvda reading sayAll using skim reading.
unfortunately this problem occures for me every time when i face blank
lines and in this case, skim reading does not work and nvda stops
reading.
i should press nvda down again to use sayAll again.
even i read some sentences letter by letter, or word by word, i
observe sayAll stops working.

On 2/18/19, Lily <postavantjazzcoree@...> wrote:
Hello, I am occasionally running into an issue while using the skim read
function during say all in Firefox. While in say all, I can arrow down and
advance through the page no problem, but if I want to go back up or hear
something again using the up arrow, NVDA gets stuck at the beginning of a
paragraph, particularly if there's a line break before it. It's as if it
hangs inside the line break and then refuses to move anywhere, repeating
the start of that particular paragraph over and over whenever I hit arrow
keys.
This doesn't happen all the time, but I'm noticing it more often when
trying to read forums or this email group, it gets stuck in the signatures
of some users and it's driving me nuts. Is this a bug or an intended
feature of Say All? This occurs in both my desktop and portable copies of
2018.4.1 in Win 10, on multiple computers, on both Espeak and Eloquence.

If anybody could shine some light on this I would appreciate it.



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Re: android studio problem with NVDA

Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi.  Press Control+Tab until you here event log.  Tab to the "Editor" and arrow down the list of messages.  Cheers!

On 2/18/2019 9:17 PM, Diego Ricardo Matos wrote:
Hello guys!
I'm using android studio but I'm having problems with NVDA.
It turns out that the compiler and messages are not read by NVDA, with
java access bridge enabled and working.

What can I do?
I'm running android studio 3.2, with NVDA 2018.4.1 on windows 10 64 bit.

Re: Microsoft refresh tool.

 

Firstly, you should be able to download and use media creation to remove all the partitions on the drive and then reinstall the software.

Firstly you would create your windows media as normal.

Then you would boot off it maybe you will need sighted help to boot the usb stick.

After that, you can run setup and choose to repair the computer and start recovery console.

Once in there you type diskpart and hit enter.

Next list disk, there is probably only 1 disk.

Then select disk.

Then type clean

After that exit diskpart by typing exit.

then type setup and hit enter, then install windows as you want.

You then need to go to the acer website, and use their serial number detection program to get your serial, then you can download and reinstall all the programs and drivers.

With my hp, it came with mcafee, and a load of bloat.

However the hp site had hp utilities, and diagnostics, drivers and bios updates.

You will probably want to go to the nvidia site and download and install their drivers for the unit, codecguide.com probably has those to and links to get them.

The java program to access the detecter is not accessible but once you have drivers they will work.

Intel has a driver updater which you need to load which is not accessible but once thats installed, typing intel driver and support assistant in google is enough to start it.

Most likely you will get everything you need then.

As for the laptop, I'd be carefull about buying this as I havn't found it in the acer website when trying to search for it.

Then again I don't have a serial code for that however I had a bad experience with a store last year where after not having what I wanted they gave me a deal on a laptop that they said was really good.

They seemed to push it on me though saying it was really good.

It didn't exist anywhere online, it was not supported.

And it was really old to.

Worse came to it I would be left with an unsupported laptop that I would then have to get rid of.

I have never used acer units but see what they do.

One thing I really hate about intel units though is they need drivers for everything.

In my hp, I do need drivers for everything, the smart card, the sound card and network cards but the processer, chipset, graphics and sound controlers both internal and external are all amd so I only have 1 driver package.



On 19/02/2019 1:53 AM, Robert Kingett wrote:

I bought this  Acer laptop, 256GB SSD, frankly because that was all I could afford, I make money from book sales, after all. Anyway, I assume that it will come with a lot of bloat on it. ACER driver managers, and more ACER junk. I've never bought an ACER laptop before, usually I've gone with HP and or DELL because they are cheap, but this one was a deal so, I had a few questions regarding the Microsoft refresh tool.


1. Does it really do as Microsoft claims? Remove apps not by Microsoft? I'm looking to do a complete refresh when I unpack the laptop today.

2. I have a digital license tied to my Microsoft account for windows 10, but just in case, does anyone know how I can back up my product key for entering after I do the refresh? Also, will the digital license adapt itself to different home versions? Like, for example, if the laptop has 1809?

Skim reading problems during Say All

Lily
 

Hello, I am occasionally running into an issue while using the skim read function during say all in Firefox. While in say all, I can arrow down and advance through the page no problem, but if I want to go back up or hear something again using the up arrow, NVDA gets stuck at the beginning of a paragraph, particularly if there's a line break before it. It's as if it hangs inside the line break and then refuses to move anywhere, repeating the start of that particular paragraph over and over whenever I hit arrow keys.
This doesn't happen all the time, but I'm noticing it more often when trying to read forums or this email group, it gets stuck in the signatures of some users and it's driving me nuts. Is this a bug or an intended feature of Say All? This occurs in both my desktop and portable copies of 2018.4.1 in Win 10, on multiple computers, on both Espeak and Eloquence.

If anybody could shine some light on this I would appreciate it.

Re: Reading printed landscape sheet

 

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 03:00 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Often its the formatting that gets mangled when you do this I find.
Seriously, then the time has come to invest in a multi-function machine that can do the job, and with ease.

All of my Canon multi-functions for the last 15 years or so have been able to scan a document in either landscape or portrait format and create the corresponding OCRed and fully readable PDF.   I seem to recall recently it having actually scanned one that was portrait, but with a landscape banner running up the left side of the page, such that the banner was recognized.  This wasn't a good thing, though, so we ended up covering it up.

I think the top price, new, I've paid is around $80 and the cheapest one, now long gone was $29.
 
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Re: Reading printed landscape sheet

farhan israk
 

Thanks. But, I wasn't able to read properly. suppose, first line is a b c. Next line is d e f. Nvda was reading as first line is a d.


On Mon, 18 Feb 2019, 2:00 pm Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io wrote:
Often its the formatting that gets mangled when you do this I find.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading printed landscape sheet


> Hi Farhan,
>
> Any printed sheet would need to be run through an OCR program to convert
> the text on the paper to something NVDA can read.  The text is usually
> imaged with a scanner, though can be done with a camera as well.  Most OCR
> programs can detect text in landscape or portrait mode so if you already
> have a scanner etc, that shouldn't be an issue.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 5:46 PM farhan israk <fahim.net.2014@...>
> wrote:
>
>> I have a printed sheet which printed in landscape mode. How to read it?
>>
>>
>>
>
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station play list

Kerryn Gunness
 


hi guys
do any of you have a tutorial on station play list using NVDA?

Re: Golden Cursor question

Gene
 

I understand that.  But using the JAWS cursor if you don't know the very small movement commands, and most JAWS users don't, is equivalent to screen review in NVDA.  I wasn't talking about various more precise ways to move the mouse.  I was answering the question of how you move the mouse in NVDA, not discussing the limits of that movement.  And you can also move the mouse when in object navigation mode.  I have done so in the past to work with a program I couldn't gain proper access to using screen review.  In JAWS, the Touch Cursor would have had to be used for that program.  and, just as in JAWS, you can move by word or character when moving the mouse with the NVDA review commands.  As I said, these are equivalent to moving the JAWS cursor using the commands most JAWS users know about.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 12:00 PM, Gene wrote:
To move the mouse to the review position, use the command numpad insert numpad slash.  To left click the mouse, use numpad slash. To right click, use numpad Times, which I believe is also the asterisk.  It's immediately to the right of numpad slash.  
Gene, these are, at best, distant approximations of actually moving the mouse around, and I'm aware of all of the mouse "snap to" commands in both NVDA and JAWS.

What Golden Cursor does is entirely different, and actually allows the movement of the native mouse pointer around the screen to specific positions.  I don't even know how, exactly, I can describe the difference accurately, but the "Move Mouse to Current Navigator Object" and corresponding "Navigate to object under the mouse" aren't even necessarily moving the mouse pointer at all.  Actions by Golden Cursor literally do.
 
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Re: Golden Cursor question

AKH AKH
 

Has anyone got any clear examples of where they have gained access to an application because they used this Golden Cursor?


Andrew


On 18/02/2019 17:06, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 12:00 PM, Gene wrote:
To move the mouse to the review position, use the command numpad insert numpad slash.  To left click the mouse, use numpad slash. To right click, use numpad Times, which I believe is also the asterisk.  It's immediately to the right of numpad slash.  
Gene, these are, at best, distant approximations of actually moving the mouse around, and I'm aware of all of the mouse "snap to" commands in both NVDA and JAWS.

What Golden Cursor does is entirely different, and actually allows the movement of the native mouse pointer around the screen to specific positions.  I don't even know how, exactly, I can describe the difference accurately, but the "Move Mouse to Current Navigator Object" and corresponding "Navigate to object under the mouse" aren't even necessarily moving the mouse pointer at all.  Actions by Golden Cursor literally do.
 
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Re: Golden Cursor question

 

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 12:00 PM, Gene wrote:
To move the mouse to the review position, use the command numpad insert numpad slash.  To left click the mouse, use numpad slash. To right click, use numpad Times, which I believe is also the asterisk.  It's immediately to the right of numpad slash.  
Gene, these are, at best, distant approximations of actually moving the mouse around, and I'm aware of all of the mouse "snap to" commands in both NVDA and JAWS.

What Golden Cursor does is entirely different, and actually allows the movement of the native mouse pointer around the screen to specific positions.  I don't even know how, exactly, I can describe the difference accurately, but the "Move Mouse to Current Navigator Object" and corresponding "Navigate to object under the mouse" aren't even necessarily moving the mouse pointer at all.  Actions by Golden Cursor literally do.
 
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Re: Golden Cursor question

Gene
 

In the following response, I shall give desktop layout commands.  I don't use the laptop layout and don't know those commands for what we are discussing.
 
There aren't specifically mouse movement keys such as in JAWS.  Read the review section of the manual or the relevant parts.  5.5 is a relevant section.  I'm not sure if there are any others.  You will see such commands as num[pad 9, move to next line, numpad 8, read current line, numpad 7 move to and read previous line.  These are review keys and don't affect the application, they review the screen.  I'm talking about what they do in screen review mode.  They have similar functions when in object navigation but they apply to the object that has focus.
 
To move the mouse to the review position, use the command numpad insert numpad slash.  To left click the mouse, use numpad slash. To right click, use numpad Times, which I believe is also the asterisk.  It's immediately to the right of numpad slash.  
 
If you can't find how to do something in NVDA, it is not good methodology or procedure to assume that it can't be done.  Asking here may provide information about how to do it or of an add-on that does.
 
Gene  
----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

Hello Jean,

 

So what are the mouse movement keys via the keyboard then?  I’m sorry I can’t find them.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

You can move the mouse with the keyboard now.  You can't move it as precisely.  I don't have an opinion about whether the Golden Cursor features should be incorporated into the source code.  But your implication that the mouse can't be moved without the Golden Cursor is not correct.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:27 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: Graphics that contain links

 

Greg,

            I wanted to report back that the photographyoptions.com site appears to be entirely inaccessible to NVDA in any meaningful sense.  I get no feedback from mouse tracking even when over the fixed elements at the right side of the screen, e.g., Close YouTube Window button, Toggle Hotspots button, etc.

            The hotspots themselves give no feedback of any type when they appear and you mouse over them, though I can, of course, see the identifying text of the thing the hotspot is trying to highlight, but there is no screen reader feedback for same.

             As I said earlier, this site is essentially almost entirely visually driven in nature.  The image being used is a 360 degree panorama that's constantly in motion until or unless you activate a hotspot.  It can be made to pause briefly if you play with some of the controls, but it is a brief pause, not a permanent one.

             I can see why this sort of sight could have huge appeal, particularly marketing appeal, for the sighted user but I can't even begin to conceive of it being made to be easily accessible for a blind user just because of the constantly moving target nature of the presentation.  I'd be far more inclined, were I trying to have accessibility to the information available, to create a separate, static site where the various hotspots that are facilities within a park would be implemented as standard links or buttons.

             This is a case where the medium is absolutely, positively, directly targeted at vision in its form of presentation, and even trying to shoehorn that in to some perverse sort of accessibility would be, in my opinion, insane.  It would be the equivalent of trying to make a movie accessible (which I'm well aware of what is done, but as someone who sees I can tell you what is done is in no way equivalent to being able to literally see a movie - it is a very pale approximation - there are no substitutes for sight when it comes to literally seeing, just as there is no substitute for the ability to hear when it comes to fully appreciating music).  At least for something like this the visual aspect is, in reality, a very catchy gimmick to draw in folks who can see and get them to interact with the site, which it does admirably.  It only makes sense to me to make this information equally accessible to a blind or visually impaired user by changing the presentation mechanism to something that can already be easily navigated using a conventionally formatted website.

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Re: Graphics that contain links

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Wouldn't image maps handle this sort of thing? I was under the impression that they wer invented for this kind of thing.  I know they're generally used by text based browsers such as lynx to get access to sites that are primarily graphical, but it should be a simple matter to build one, and link to it for screen reader users.  You could even provide alternate links for the image maps to offer additional information about each image as it were.

On 2/17/2019 11:23 AM, greg@... wrote:
I need to clarify about the text boxes.  Some of the thumb graphics within any given park are text boxes that can be clicked to reserve /rent the focal point of the panorama.  Most of the time this focal point would be something likes a picnic pavilion, a campsite or some other space that can be rented.  Also, in a few of the panoramas, there are also hotspots that will launch a subordinae still images gallery in a lightbox that superimposes over the panorama and presumably takes the focus away from the panorama.  Those, in turn, have their own set of thumbnail graphics to navigate.  For right now, it would seem like progress to be able to get into and out off all of the opening panoramas and have access to the park description text boxes.
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Re: Spreadsheet editing software recommendations - open office, or libre office?

 

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:04 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
How can you tell that a licence key you buy on eBay has genuinely been
recycled and is not also being used on other machines?
You can't, if you come right down to it.   That being said, eBay can and will ban individuals who try to sell licenses that cannot be activated.  I purchased one where this was the case.  In one other the seller refunded my purchase and another they issued me a second key.  When we're talking under $10, and you are in a great many cases, even if it were to be a total loss on several you'd still be way ahead of the game.

One thing with recycled licenses is that the vast majority will not activate via the internet.  I always go immediately to phone activation as a result.  These days phone activation is a bit of a misnomer, as at one time that always meant talking to a live rep.  Now it means filling out a form on the computer giving your license key, certifying that you're only installing on one machine (which I always am), and giving them a cell number to which they can text the activation code.  While entering an activation code in the activation wizard is not fun, since it's a one time deal I'm more than willing to do it given the savings involved.

There are also now quite a few multi-machine install, usually up to 5 machines, licenses available for Office 365, too.
 
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Re: acapella and code factory voices

Brian K. Lingard
 

                Try writing to siupporrt@... Give them your full name, address when you purchased the voices, e-mail address & what voices you purchased. Alternatively, you can contact your dealer if they are still in business with similar information. Code Factory or your dealer should be able to provide the license codes in a few days.

 

Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B. A., C. T. M.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Isaac
Sent: February 12, 2019 9:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] acapella and codefactory voices

 

Hi, I lost my hard drive again and need to access my codes and have my licenses reset, how do I contact these providers?

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Re: List Moderation #adminnotice

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Sarah & List:

I love your no flaming policy! Have survived a few flame wars on the two lists I used to manage, now only manage one. Had to ask an Air General at Cheyenne Mtn., CO to borrow a herd of his B-52 to water-bomb the flames. Sure got wet, but we put out every single spark!

Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B. A., C. T. M.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: February 12, 2019 8:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] List Moderation #adminnotice

 

If I were running the list you all would hate me.

1 don't stay off topic, ever.
2 no flaming.
3. If you do stray or flame you will be giving 3 strikes and you will be kicked out for good.

That's how I run all of my lists and trust me, it works.

Take care

On 12 Feb 2019, at 14:33, Chris Shook wrote:

My apologies as well.
I'll try and stay on topic in the future.

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