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Re: my vocalizer expressive 1.1 version 3.14 and its attached voices no longer work with NVDA 2019.3

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


If your voices are very old, they will not work, so I suggest you to download it again...


Best regards,

 

Costumer support

Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 23:06 de 10/02/2020, Supanut Leepaisomboon escreveu:

Hi,
The new 3.1 driver is compatible but sommehow my existing voices still doesn't work. Do I have to redownload them from the Vocalizer website or something?

Problem with NVDA 19.3 and Outlook 2010

Sky Mundell
 

Hello list. I found a problem with NVDA 2019.3. When I open up outlook and I use my down arrow key, Nvda doesn’t speak the list of messages, but when I alt tab out of the inbox, and I alt tab back into the inbox, everything works. What could be causing this? This doesn’t happen in NVDA 2019.2.1.

Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 05:58 PM, Tyler Spivey wrote:
Please explain how the form is badly designed.
Uh, those having difficulty would not be able to clearly articulate what's wrong, as there clearly exists confusion.

I can't say exactly where the sticking point happens to be, but it's clearly there for enough users that it should be a concern.  This doesn't seem to be purely a problem of needing to "dumb down" or simplify the form.  Something else is at work here.

And the above comes from someone who agrees with you that the radio buttons aren't where the problem lies.  But something's off, and it's worth someone taking the time to get in touch with those having the issue to watch what it is they're doing so that the sticking point(s) can be identified.
 
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Re: my vocalizer expressive 1.1 version 3.14 and its attached voices no longer work with NVDA 2019.3

 

Hi,
The new 3.1 driver is compatible but sommehow my existing voices still doesn't work. Do I have to redownload them from the Vocalizer website or something?

Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

Sky Mundell
 

Yes I agree. NVDA does need to grow and prosper worldwide.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 2:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

 

I’m not certain as to who is saying the phrase, “kiss of death” but I agree.

 

It took me well over a year to finally finally set up a small monthly donation to NVDA.  I wonder how many dollars are not getting where they need to go because of a combination of persons with less PC skills and apparently, a web designer or, at least the form designer also having less skills.

 

We need NVDA to grow world wide so more persons will have free access to NVDA.

 

I use Jaws and Narrator too but, NVDA needs to prosper.  I hope some one will fix this unnecessary complicated process.

 

Regards,

 

James B

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 3:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 04:34 PM, Jackie wrote:

The problem is that too many, I think assume a lack of skill, when at least part of the problem may indeed be due to implementation.

And, in this case, it seems to be a combination of both, which is often the absolute kiss of death.
 
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Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

Tyler Spivey
 

Please explain how the form is badly designed. It can't be simpler.

You need to select what type of donation you want. Either you have a set of radio buttons on the Download page, or a set of buttons on the donate page.


On 2/10/2020 2:46 PM, James Bentley wrote:

I’m not certain as to who is saying the phrase, “kiss of death” but I agree.

 

It took me well over a year to finally finally set up a small monthly donation to NVDA.  I wonder how many dollars are not getting where they need to go because of a combination of persons with less PC skills and apparently, a web designer or, at least the form designer also having less skills.

 

We need NVDA to grow world wide so more persons will have free access to NVDA.

 

I use Jaws and Narrator too but, NVDA needs to prosper.  I hope some one will fix this unnecessary complicated process.

 

Regards,

 

James B

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 3:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 04:34 PM, Jackie wrote:

The problem is that too many, I think assume a lack of skill, when at least part of the problem may indeed be due to implementation.

And, in this case, it seems to be a combination of both, which is often the absolute kiss of death.
 
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Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

James Bentley
 

I’m not certain as to who is saying the phrase, “kiss of death” but I agree.

 

It took me well over a year to finally finally set up a small monthly donation to NVDA.  I wonder how many dollars are not getting where they need to go because of a combination of persons with less PC skills and apparently, a web designer or, at least the form designer also having less skills.

 

We need NVDA to grow world wide so more persons will have free access to NVDA.

 

I use Jaws and Narrator too but, NVDA needs to prosper.  I hope some one will fix this unnecessary complicated process.

 

Regards,

 

James B

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 3:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 04:34 PM, Jackie wrote:

The problem is that too many, I think assume a lack of skill, when at least part of the problem may indeed be due to implementation.

And, in this case, it seems to be a combination of both, which is often the absolute kiss of death.
 
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Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 04:43 PM, Jackie wrote:
Precisely, especially for a *donation* page. That is the sort of thing you wanna make easy peezy lemon squeezy.
The problem is that even what's considered easy changes.  I am now completely accustomed to paying for things by PayPal where I have to leave a page to step through the PayPal process then come back.  If a donation to NVDA doesn't actually automatically redirect back to NVAccess right into the download flow where you were, that is an implementation problem that must (or at least should, if you're smart) be fixed.

But a great deal of what was offered in the message that started this topic also clearly indicates user error.  And any time this is the case, unless the user in question is willing to acknowledge that as part of the solution you're essentially stymied no matter what you do.

I participate on many technology forums, and I see time and again gross user errors that the subject matter experts promptly identify as such, and generally without "judgment" other than it is a user error.  Many seem to take this as a personal affront rather than recognizing we all can and do make mistakes and when someone identifies that this is occurring, and that you had ought to try {insert instructions here}, that should be met with gratitude, not resistance nor throwing accusations at those trying to assist.
 
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Re: nvda 2019.3 vocalizer, and remote support

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

You can get a NVDA 2019.3.1 compatible version at:
https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon

It still have one or two problems, but we are taking care of them...

Best regards,
Costumer support
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 13:26 de 10/02/2020, David Mehler escreveu:

Hello,

I just updated to nvda 2019.3 and a bunch of my addons which wouldn't
update just broke/disabled. One of them is my nuance vocalizer drivers
and synth. I'm not seeing anything on addons.nvda-project.org on this.
Another is nvda remote support. Does this addon have a 2019.3
compatible version? I just checked addons.nvda-project.org and stable
looks like it isn't, actually i'm not seeing a download for that at
all.

Suggestions welcome.

Thanks.
Dave.

Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

Gene
 

I doubt that that is generally true, based on my observation of discussions and comments on lists over a long time.  The message that started the thread was about actually filling out the form and that is what I and others concentrated on.  If implementation problems exist, they should be corrected, but I don't think that in general, when such discussions come up, implementation is the problem.  In this specific procedure, there may be such problems and it is important that they be pointed out, but almost always, when I see people discuss problems working with forms, it is either because it is actually inaccessible or unusable, or because those having problems don't know how to fill out forms effectively. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Jackie
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

The problem is that too many, I think assume a lack of skill, when at
least part of the problem may indeed be due to implementation.

On 2/10/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> You are talking about implementation.  You didn't comment on the process of
> filling out the actual fields of the form, which is what I was discussing.
> If implementation is poor, that should be addressed.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Jackie
> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 3:09 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking
>
>
> Actually, the form IMO, is a little bit difficult to use, & I am a
> professional at this, both as a website hosting provider, designer,
> developer, & technician as well as a computer repair technician
> trained in computer forensics. So if you want to comment that it's a
> question of skill level in my case, then fire away, but... The problem
> is that once you pick a custom donation, go to paypal, & donate,
> you're not returned to a page w/a download link/button. What I do is
> just close everything out, go back to the check for updates page in
> the NVDA help menu, then skip the donation & download & install the
> update. But it is a little clunky, & I could see where some could find
> the whole process confusing. If nothing else, it takes far more time
> than it should.
>
> I also think that some folks would find an edit field as opposed to a
> spin edit field as a part of the fieldset for the custom donation
> radio button less confusing. I understand the number can just be
> edited, (or spun, according to operator preference), but that's not
> something everyone understands.
>
> On 2/10/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>> Please consider the context and see what message is below the one you are
>> responding to.  the comment had nothing to do with your post.  it was
>> directed to another list member who made a comment about the form.
>>
>> In addition, it isn't a question of presenting skill challenges.  If
>> someone
>> has problems working with radio buttons, they will have problems on all
>> sorts of forms where they are used.
>>
>> There is nothing on the form that is exceptionally difficult.  In my
>> opinion, the answer is not to dumb down the form.  The answer is to
>> present
>> a link with instructions for those who don't know how to work with the
>> form.
>>  Doing everything for people leaves them unable to do anything.  Teaching
>> people increases confidence, increases their ability to do more, and will
>> help them in the future.  And that's why I sent a teaching message.
>>
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: David Griffith
>> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 2:27 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking
>>
>>
>> I hesitated to make the first comment  as I knew it would attract
>> criticism
>> of the skill level of people encountering difficulties of this kind on
>> the
>> site.
>>
>>
>>
>> However for a final comment I would still say that presenting skill
>> challenges for people on a donation page seems an odd approach, even if
>> pointing this out draws some disparaging remarks  on skill levels of a
>> list
>> of this kind.
>>
>>
>>
>> I will hold on any further comment now.
>>
>> David Griffith
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
>> Sent: 10 February 2020 18:35
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking
>>
>>
>>
>> That's simply because you don't understand how it works. Of course the
>> custom donation button is going to do that, because you left 200 in the
>> edit
>> box before it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/10/2020 10:27 AM, Robert Kingett wrote:
>>
>>   Unfortunately, the one time custom donation button leads straight to
>> PayPal with a $200 default value. NV Access should fix that at some
>> point.
>> But the bit I said about the recurring donations still stands. After
>> adjusting the value via the keyboard, that gets entered into PayPal.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

Jackie
 

Precisely, especially for a *donation* page. That is the sort of thing
you wanna make easy peezy lemon squeezy.

On 2/10/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 04:34 PM, Jackie wrote:


The problem is that too many, I think assume a lack of skill, when at
least part of the problem may indeed be due to implementation.
And, in this case, it seems to be a combination of both, which is often the
absolute kiss of death.

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Re: NVDA 2019.3 released

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 02:26 PM, Richard Wells wrote:
The switch to USB adapter is something I experience on one of my computers that has a Netgear USB wireless adapter connected.
Thanks for this data point.  In my case, it definitely does not apply.
 
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Re: my vocalizer expressive 1.1 version 3.14 and its attached voices no longer work with NVDA 2019.3

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


You can get a NVDA 2019.3.1 compatible version at:

https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon


It still have one or two problems, but we are taking care of them...


Best regards,

 

Costumer support

Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 15:23 de 10/02/2020, Ibrahim Abedrabbo escreveu:

Hello folks,

As the subject says: my vocalizer expressive 1.1 version 3.0.14 no longer works on the newly released NVDA 2019.3. I get this message indicating its incompatibility.

Vocalizer Expressive 1.1 Driver; Status: Incompatible; Version: 3.0.14; Author: Tiflotecnia, LDA

How do I correct this problem?  Where do I download the compatible drivers? Do I have to purchase the drivers again or do I qualify for an upgrade?

Any help will be appreciated.

 

Ibrahim

My 1st bug report for 2019.3.1

Jackie
 

I've tried both w/Eloquence & 1 core voices. Using pitch as a
capitalization indicator no longer works. I'll switch to beeps for
now, but that's kind of annoying.


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Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 04:34 PM, Jackie wrote:
The problem is that too many, I think assume a lack of skill, when at least part of the problem may indeed be due to implementation.
And, in this case, it seems to be a combination of both, which is often the absolute kiss of death.
 
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Re: Accessible RSS reader for Windows 10 with syncing capability

Vincent van Itallie
 

Hi,


Personally, I use www.theoldreader.com

I use the web based enveronment in a web browser like chrome, firefox or ms edge.

There are even some extentions for theoldreader around.


On IOS I use both Lire and fieryfeeds, but thats beyond the subject of this list, don't know how the rss frond on android is, these days.

Would love to know what other people do use rss whise.


best, Vincent.


On 2/9/2020 8:58 PM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

Currently I'm using Mozilla Thunderbird as my RSS reader/client and I'm reasonably happy with it. But there is something missing in Thunderbird's client (and in Thunderbird as a whole), with which I'm not happy. And that is the syncing capability. I want my RSS client to sync my subscriptions between all of my devices (at least the ones on Windows). Thunderbird cannot do that. At least I'm not aware that it can.

So that is why I'm looking for an accessible RSS client for Windows 10 (and Android too, if possible), which is able to sync my RSS subscriptions between all of my devices. Do you know of such a program? Some time ago, I think someone posted something like that, which was fairly accessible and available for Windows 10 from the Microsoft Store. I think the poster was Joseph Lee, but I may be mistaking. But I cannot remember the name of the app in question, unfortunately.

Thanks much in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

Re: my vocalizer expressive 1.1 version 3.14 and its attached voices no longer work with NVDA 2019.3

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


That problem was introduced in one of last changes in the NVDA configurations programing...


We are still trying to fix that...


Best regards,

 

Rui Fontes

Costumer support

Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 16:10 de 10/02/2020, Moty Azrad escreveu:

Dear all,

 

I have the same problem with the newest vocalizer expressive driver version 3.1.0.

I can not switch between languages, hebrew engine and English voice.

I wrote privately to tiflotecnia, and uptonow, I don’t have good solution to my and my friends vocalizer expressibe users.

I purchased only three weeks ago three activations and paid 90 Euro for it.

What can I do more to solve my and my other blind friends users?

 

Thank much for any support.

 

Moti

 

 

Moti Azrad 

Musician and Piano-Tuner         

 

motiaz@...

 

azrad_moty@...

 

Israel

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ibrahim Abedrabbo
Sent: February 10, 2020 17:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] my vocalizer expressive 1.1 version 3.14 and its attached voices no longer work with NVDA 2019.3

 

Hello folks,

As the subject says: my vocalizer expressive 1.1 version 3.0.14 no longer works on the newly released NVDA 2019.3. I get this message indicating its incompatibility.

Vocalizer Expressive 1.1 Driver; Status: Incompatible; Version: 3.0.14; Author: Tiflotecnia, LDA

How do I correct this problem?  Where do I download the compatible drivers? Do I have to purchase the drivers again or do I qualify for an upgrade?

Any help will be appreciated.

 

Ibrahim

Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

Jackie
 

The problem is that too many, I think assume a lack of skill, when at
least part of the problem may indeed be due to implementation.

On 2/10/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
You are talking about implementation. You didn't comment on the process of
filling out the actual fields of the form, which is what I was discussing.
If implementation is poor, that should be addressed.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jackie
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking


Actually, the form IMO, is a little bit difficult to use, & I am a
professional at this, both as a website hosting provider, designer,
developer, & technician as well as a computer repair technician
trained in computer forensics. So if you want to comment that it's a
question of skill level in my case, then fire away, but... The problem
is that once you pick a custom donation, go to paypal, & donate,
you're not returned to a page w/a download link/button. What I do is
just close everything out, go back to the check for updates page in
the NVDA help menu, then skip the donation & download & install the
update. But it is a little clunky, & I could see where some could find
the whole process confusing. If nothing else, it takes far more time
than it should.

I also think that some folks would find an edit field as opposed to a
spin edit field as a part of the fieldset for the custom donation
radio button less confusing. I understand the number can just be
edited, (or spun, according to operator preference), but that's not
something everyone understands.

On 2/10/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Please consider the context and see what message is below the one you are
responding to. the comment had nothing to do with your post. it was
directed to another list member who made a comment about the form.

In addition, it isn't a question of presenting skill challenges. If
someone
has problems working with radio buttons, they will have problems on all
sorts of forms where they are used.

There is nothing on the form that is exceptionally difficult. In my
opinion, the answer is not to dumb down the form. The answer is to
present
a link with instructions for those who don't know how to work with the
form.
Doing everything for people leaves them unable to do anything. Teaching
people increases confidence, increases their ability to do more, and will
help them in the future. And that's why I sent a teaching message.


Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: David Griffith
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 2:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking


I hesitated to make the first comment as I knew it would attract
criticism
of the skill level of people encountering difficulties of this kind on
the
site.



However for a final comment I would still say that presenting skill
challenges for people on a donation page seems an odd approach, even if
pointing this out draws some disparaging remarks on skill levels of a
list
of this kind.



I will hold on any further comment now.

David Griffith

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
Sent: 10 February 2020 18:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking



That's simply because you don't understand how it works. Of course the
custom donation button is going to do that, because you left 200 in the
edit
box before it.



On 2/10/2020 10:27 AM, Robert Kingett wrote:

Unfortunately, the one time custom donation button leads straight to
PayPal with a $200 default value. NV Access should fix that at some
point.
But the bit I said about the recurring donations still stands. After
adjusting the value via the keyboard, that gets entered into PayPal.






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Re: Relating to NVDA 2019.3.1

Dejan Ristic
 

I seem to have noticed it, too. That's why I made an enquiry into it.

On 10/02/2020 21:53, Shaun Everiss wrote:
I noticed that 2019.3.1 is not in the whatsnew changelog.



On 11/02/2020 9:01 am, Roger Stewart wrote:
Apparently March 2019 is equal to NVDA 2019.3 which is the correct version. I found this very confusing but maybe the first beta came out last March or something. Anyhow, go ahead and get that version and you'll really have 2019.3.
Roger






On 2/10/2020 1:09 PM, Dejan Ristic wrote:
Hi,


I installed the stable NVDA 2019.3 version. When I restarted the machine, I found the version number from the subject line, that's to say, 2019.3.1. My decision is not to install it till I've been told to by those who can tell so.


Note:


I use Windows 7 operating system.

Note 2


I've checked all the mail messages, and found that none of them says a word relating to 2019.3.1. Due to the fact that I've been using NVDA for a longer period of time, let me suppose that this may be a minor version addressing some bug fixes.


Dejan






.

.

Re: Alternatives to quickly change between voices and/or synths?

Gerardo Corripio
 

Thanks a lot! That was quick.

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Ralf Kefferpuetz
Enviado: lunes, 10 de febrero de 2020 03:10 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] Alternatives to quickly change between voices and/or synths?

 

https://github.com/tspivey/switchSynth/releases/download/v1.03/switchSynth-1.03.nvda-addon

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Montag, 10. Februar 2020 19:54
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Alternatives to quickly change between voices and/or synths?

 

I’ve always with NVDA, because I’m dulingual, have used the Switch Synth AddOn, which isn’t yet compatible with NVDA 2019.3, for via a keystroke switching be using Vocalizer, or ViaVoice, switch quickly between the English or Spanish voice. I tried setting up a profile that’d allow me to do this, but it doesn’t work as I’d like it to, for instance 1 for ViaVoice LatinAmerican Spanish, 2 for American English etc; like I have it set it up with SwitchSynth now. What alternative do you guys have, and will they make the SwitchSynth AddOn compatible? If I do update to the latest NVDA, I plan to continue using (hopefully it’s compatible with the latest version) Synth ring settings selector, however what I don’t like about this one is that when in ViaVoice, you switch to American english, the speed is the same as in the Latin American Spanish; I’d like to have it a little bit slower for English than Spanish. Thanks for any info you guys might have on this matter.

 

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