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Re: lengthy reading in Braille

 

Well I have disabled all power modes.

I always have output of all minimums at maximum, sometimes I drop the minimal processer  to half, but mostly I don't.

Everything is set not to save power so nothing gets interupted.

The disks don't turn off, the system does not sleep, or hybernate.

Unless I turn it off it will not turn off.

The only exception is that if I close the lid or forget to shut the system off it will hybernate by default.

This may be good for short transports etc.

My aunt didn't have anything set because I always turn it off, and she shut it, and put it away in her bag and it  got hot.

It didn't damage it though, still its a good idea not to do that.

On 27/10/2019 12:57 am, Vincent Le Goff wrote:
It's true that you still have the option to disable sleep mode in Windows settings.  I must admit I did it.  I don't want this laptop to turn off unless I turn it off manually.  So I don't have this issue either, when reading in braille, and I do read a lot. But again I guess something else could be done to keep sleep mode available and still allow long Braille reading.


Vincent

On 10/26/2019 8:51 AM, John J. Boyer wrote:
I have never had problems with reading Braille for long periods. I usually read files with notepad or WordPad. I did have the help of a knowledgeable tech who
turned off everything that might make the computer sleep.

John

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 05:58:29PM -0400, David Csercsics wrote:
I don’t think NVDA can do that because I don’t think Windows knows about the braille display. The only reason Windows doesn’t go to sleep for speech is because it’s running through the sound card. But I think the problem is that Windows does not know about braille devices.


Re: Addon for Sonos Desktop V1.5 released

James Scholes
 

I have concerns about lines like this:

s8 = fg.firstChild.next.next.next.next.next.firstChild.next.next.next.next.next.next.next.next.next.next.name

Partly because s1 to s8 aren't descriptive variable names. But mainly because a single change in object layout will render it useless.

Is there a better way of doing it, which involves looking for class names or whatever?

Regards,

James Scholes

On 26/10/2019 at 4:37 pm, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:
All,
addon for Sonos Desktop V1.5 is released with some new features and python 3 ready.
You can get it here:
https://github.com/Novalis7747/sonos/raw/master/sonos-1.5.nvda-addon
I added a bunch of hotkeys and adjusted the song information for several services.
Hotkeyes:
- control-1 - speaks current roomname, stationname and title of the song
- double press control-1 - copies song title to the clipboard
- control-2 - opens the song title in a virtual invisible window to read it back
- control-3 - opens Youtube in your default browser with the search results for currently playing song (opens in a new
tab)
- alt-shift-v - reports current volume
- alt-shift-m - reports mute status
- control-m - toggles mute
- alt-shift-r - reports repeat status
- control-r - toggles repeat
- alt-shift-e - reports shuffle status
- control-e - toggles shuffle
- alt-shift-t - reports crossfade status
- control-t - toggles crossfade
- alt-shift-u - reports time playing
- alt-shift-i - reports scrub
- alt-shift-o - reports play time left
Best regards,
Ralf

Addon for Sonos Desktop V1.5 released

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

All,

addon for Sonos Desktop V1.5 is released with some new features and python 3 ready.
You can get it here:
https://github.com/Novalis7747/sonos/raw/master/sonos-1.5.nvda-addon

I added a bunch of hotkeys and adjusted the song information for several services.

Hotkeyes:
- control-1 - speaks current roomname, stationname and title of the song
- double press control-1 - copies song title to the clipboard
- control-2 - opens the song title in a virtual invisible window to read it back
- control-3 - opens Youtube in your default browser with the search results for currently playing song (opens in a new
tab)
- alt-shift-v - reports current volume
- alt-shift-m - reports mute status
- control-m - toggles mute
- alt-shift-r - reports repeat status
- control-r - toggles repeat
- alt-shift-e - reports shuffle status
- control-e - toggles shuffle
- alt-shift-t - reports crossfade status
- control-t - toggles crossfade
- alt-shift-u - reports time playing
- alt-shift-i - reports scrub
- alt-shift-o - reports play time left

Best regards,
Ralf

Re: Firefox addon and shortcut to read address

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


Same wit version 1.9 of the add-on and NVDA last Alpha with Python 2 or Python 3...


Rui Fontes


Às 01:57 de 26/10/2019, Luke Davis escreveu:

Definitely the same issue here.

Win 10 1903, NVDA 2019.2.1, Firefox 70.0, Mozilla Apps Enhancements 1.9.

Luke

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019, Vincent Le Goff wrote:

Am I the only one using Firefox, the mozilla NVDA addon and experiencing issues when pressing NVDA + A to read the address bar?  I've become quite fond of this shortcut but I always get "Address not found".  Before reporting to the addon developer I would like to check.  It might be something else entirely, if no one has the same issue.

Re: lengthy reading in Braille

Vincent Le Goff
 

It's true that you still have the option to disable sleep mode in Windows settings.  I must admit I did it.  I don't want this laptop to turn off unless I turn it off manually.  So I don't have this issue either, when reading in braille, and I do read a lot. But again I guess something else could be done to keep sleep mode available and still allow long Braille reading.


Vincent

On 10/26/2019 8:51 AM, John J. Boyer wrote:
I have never had problems with reading Braille for long periods. I usually read files with notepad or WordPad. I did have the help of a knowledgeable tech who
turned off everything that might make the computer sleep.

John

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 05:58:29PM -0400, David Csercsics wrote:
I don’t think NVDA can do that because I don’t think Windows knows about the braille display. The only reason Windows doesn’t go to sleep for speech is because it’s running through the sound card. But I think the problem is that Windows does not know about braille devices.


Re: lengthy reading in Braille

John J. Boyer
 

I have never had problems with reading Braille for long periods. I usually read files with notepad or WordPad. I did have the help of a knowledgeable tech who
turned off everything that might make the computer sleep.

John

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 05:58:29PM -0400, David Csercsics wrote:
I don’t think NVDA can do that because I don’t think Windows knows about the braille display. The only reason Windows doesn’t go to sleep for speech is because it’s running through the sound card. But I think the problem is that Windows does not know about braille devices.


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Re: NVDA Configuration File

Luke Davis
 

Copying %appdata%\nvda\nvda.ini should give you what you need. You might also grab gestures.ini.
If you are going to go that route, however, you should make sure that the versions of NVDA are the same or similar on both machines.

It would be better to use Roger's suggested method of using a portable copy, since that should also pick up dictionaries, and makes certain that you are using the same version everywhere. It also gets add-ons.

Luke

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019, Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via Groups.Io wrote:

Is there a file that I can copy from NVDA which is all the settings e.g. the key echo and startup options etc?
This is so that if I put it on another machine, I can quickly reset it to the way that I like it?

Re: Firefox addon and shortcut to read address

Luke Davis
 

Definitely the same issue here.

Win 10 1903, NVDA 2019.2.1, Firefox 70.0, Mozilla Apps Enhancements 1.9.

Luke

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019, Vincent Le Goff wrote:

Am I the only one using Firefox, the mozilla NVDA addon and experiencing issues when pressing NVDA + A to read the address bar?  I've become quite fond of this shortcut but I always get "Address not found".  Before reporting to the addon developer I would like to check.  It might be something else entirely, if no one has the same issue.

Re: audio ducking?

David Moore
 

Hello Dean! Nvda definitely has audio ducking! hold down the shift and the caps lock, and press d as in dog. You have three selections to pick from each time you press d. with the shift and nvda key held down, the first time you press d, you will hear audio ducking for other sound output press d again, you will hear always duck, and press the again, and you turn audio ducking off. SO2 lower nvda when music is playing, for example, just hold down the shift and the nvda key, and press until you hear docking for audio output, and you well hear the music lower significantly, and you will hear in video a very loudly. That's it! David Moore

sent from Android toy!


On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 3:01 PM Dean Martineau <topdot@...> wrote:

This is pretty elementary: I thought NVDA had a feature akin to the JAWS Audio Ducking feature, where audio content sound can be lowered so that synthesizer speech can be heard. I’m not finding the option in 2019.2.  Please enlighten me.

 

 

Re: lengthy reading in Braille

Brian Tew
 

Oops I got that wrong. You mean when the screen locks.
yes we have to unlock the screen and connect again when the screen locks.

Re: NVDA, my sound card, and frustration

 

I have used cheap bitsy computers before.

If you get a good builder like I had, then you can actually get a system that jells.

These days you just buy a generic upgrade box and assemble what you need extra.

You can go further if you have the cash, buy a case, and psu then buy the right storage and other upgrade kits and install them yourself.

I have also had to handle bitsy systems made by stuff that was going out of date.

They work but people make all sorts of adjustments to hide their shortcomings.

This approach will work, unless something fails or goes bad.

If it does depending what it is, chances are you won't be able to replace it or at least like for like.



On 26/10/2019 12:02 pm, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Well mine’s fixed now, but it’s like the xbox 360. I remember reading that the xbox 360  contained parts from like, and I am not kidding here, 200  different manufacturers. The red ring of death . . . the graphics chip overheating . . . Microsoft does not have the greatest reputation when it comes to their own hardware.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 6:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, my sound card, and frustration

 

Guess what microsoft, you lost me.

Thats one thing I will not be buying any time soon.

This hp has been rock solid bar the windows update screwup I had, and an enhancement driver I had to kill because it broke things, and a few other bits and bobs the majority of hp stuff has just worked.

 

 

On 26/10/2019 10:08 am, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hi.

I have a surface go. I experienced this issue when it was new, but the sound  would disappear entirely. Several software updates fixed this issue. However, it seems to be common with surface devices.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phillip Gross
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 4:49 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA, my sound card, and frustration

 

Okay so I can’t claim this is just a NVDA issue because it seems to be both a jaws and NVDA issue since they’re both installed on my computer and both provide similar results. I sent this to the Jaws list as well so hopefully someone will have something.

 

My computer is only a few months old, replacing another just like still under warranty that crashed, which was bought in early 2018 when it was new. It is a Surface Book Pro, running windows 10 pro, 8 gigs of ram, I don’t remember what sound card off the top of my head.

 

I have a set of Bose Comfort Bluetooth headphones which can either be plugged in or used Bluetooth but plugged in makes them sound a little better and lengthens the battery time on them. When I have them plugged after an hour or so my screen reader will quit speaking. I unplug them and my computer begins speaking through the speakers. I plug them back in and it’s like the computer doesn’t realize that they are there and continues speaking through the laptop speakers. I have ruled out the headphones being the issue by trying to plug another pair in. At this point I am either stuck moving to Bluetooth or restarting the computer to get it to speak through the headphones.

 

My guess is that it’s probably a hardware issue but has anyone ever experienced this with a screen reader and if so what was your solution?

 

Re: NVDA, my sound card, and frustration

molly the blind tech lover
 

Well mine’s fixed now, but it’s like the xbox 360. I remember reading that the xbox 360  contained parts from like, and I am not kidding here, 200  different manufacturers. The red ring of death . . . the graphics chip overheating . . . Microsoft does not have the greatest reputation when it comes to their own hardware.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 6:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, my sound card, and frustration

 

Guess what microsoft, you lost me.

Thats one thing I will not be buying any time soon.

This hp has been rock solid bar the windows update screwup I had, and an enhancement driver I had to kill because it broke things, and a few other bits and bobs the majority of hp stuff has just worked.

 

 

On 26/10/2019 10:08 am, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hi.

I have a surface go. I experienced this issue when it was new, but the sound  would disappear entirely. Several software updates fixed this issue. However, it seems to be common with surface devices.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phillip Gross
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 4:49 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA, my sound card, and frustration

 

Okay so I can’t claim this is just a NVDA issue because it seems to be both a jaws and NVDA issue since they’re both installed on my computer and both provide similar results. I sent this to the Jaws list as well so hopefully someone will have something.

 

My computer is only a few months old, replacing another just like still under warranty that crashed, which was bought in early 2018 when it was new. It is a Surface Book Pro, running windows 10 pro, 8 gigs of ram, I don’t remember what sound card off the top of my head.

 

I have a set of Bose Comfort Bluetooth headphones which can either be plugged in or used Bluetooth but plugged in makes them sound a little better and lengthens the battery time on them. When I have them plugged after an hour or so my screen reader will quit speaking. I unplug them and my computer begins speaking through the speakers. I plug them back in and it’s like the computer doesn’t realize that they are there and continues speaking through the laptop speakers. I have ruled out the headphones being the issue by trying to plug another pair in. At this point I am either stuck moving to Bluetooth or restarting the computer to get it to speak through the headphones.

 

My guess is that it’s probably a hardware issue but has anyone ever experienced this with a screen reader and if so what was your solution?

 

Re: NVDA, my sound card, and frustration

 

Thats a point, its a microsoft product so they should support it they make this product.


On 26/10/2019 11:27 am, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

Are you planning on adding Microsoft disability support to your trouble shooting options?

 

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!                                                                       

 

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 3:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, my sound card, and frustration

 

Hi.

I have a surface go. I experienced this issue when it was new, but the sound  would disappear entirely. Several software updates fixed this issue. However, it seems to be common with surface devices.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phillip Gross
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 4:49 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA, my sound card, and frustration

 

Okay so I can’t claim this is just a NVDA issue because it seems to be both a jaws and NVDA issue since they’re both installed on my computer and both provide similar results. I sent this to the Jaws list as well so hopefully someone will have something.

 

My computer is only a few months old, replacing another just like still under warranty that crashed, which was bought in early 2018 when it was new. It is a Surface Book Pro, running windows 10 pro, 8 gigs of ram, I don’t remember what sound card off the top of my head.

 

I have a set of Bose Comfort Bluetooth headphones which can either be plugged in or used Bluetooth but plugged in makes them sound a little better and lengthens the battery time on them. When I have them plugged after an hour or so my screen reader will quit speaking. I unplug them and my computer begins speaking through the speakers. I plug them back in and it’s like the computer doesn’t realize that they are there and continues speaking through the laptop speakers. I have ruled out the headphones being the issue by trying to plug another pair in. At this point I am either stuck moving to Bluetooth or restarting the computer to get it to speak through the headphones.

 

My guess is that it’s probably a hardware issue but has anyone ever experienced this with a screen reader and if so what was your solution?

 

 

Re: NVDA, my sound card, and frustration

 

Guess what microsoft, you lost me.

Thats one thing I will not be buying any time soon.

This hp has been rock solid bar the windows update screwup I had, and an enhancement driver I had to kill because it broke things, and a few other bits and bobs the majority of hp stuff has just worked.



On 26/10/2019 10:08 am, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hi.

I have a surface go. I experienced this issue when it was new, but the sound  would disappear entirely. Several software updates fixed this issue. However, it seems to be common with surface devices.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phillip Gross
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 4:49 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA, my sound card, and frustration

 

Okay so I can’t claim this is just a NVDA issue because it seems to be both a jaws and NVDA issue since they’re both installed on my computer and both provide similar results. I sent this to the Jaws list as well so hopefully someone will have something.

 

My computer is only a few months old, replacing another just like still under warranty that crashed, which was bought in early 2018 when it was new. It is a Surface Book Pro, running windows 10 pro, 8 gigs of ram, I don’t remember what sound card off the top of my head.

 

I have a set of Bose Comfort Bluetooth headphones which can either be plugged in or used Bluetooth but plugged in makes them sound a little better and lengthens the battery time on them. When I have them plugged after an hour or so my screen reader will quit speaking. I unplug them and my computer begins speaking through the speakers. I plug them back in and it’s like the computer doesn’t realize that they are there and continues speaking through the laptop speakers. I have ruled out the headphones being the issue by trying to plug another pair in. At this point I am either stuck moving to Bluetooth or restarting the computer to get it to speak through the headphones.

 

My guess is that it’s probably a hardware issue but has anyone ever experienced this with a screen reader and if so what was your solution?

 

Re: lengthy reading in Braille

Andre Fisher
 

Hi.

This seems to be fixed in NVDA 2019.3. You can test the snapshots now, or wait for the official release.

Re: NVDA, my sound card, and frustration

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Are you planning on adding Microsoft disability support to your trouble shooting options?

 

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!                                                                       

 

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 3:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, my sound card, and frustration

 

Hi.

I have a surface go. I experienced this issue when it was new, but the sound  would disappear entirely. Several software updates fixed this issue. However, it seems to be common with surface devices.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phillip Gross
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 4:49 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA, my sound card, and frustration

 

Okay so I can’t claim this is just a NVDA issue because it seems to be both a jaws and NVDA issue since they’re both installed on my computer and both provide similar results. I sent this to the Jaws list as well so hopefully someone will have something.

 

My computer is only a few months old, replacing another just like still under warranty that crashed, which was bought in early 2018 when it was new. It is a Surface Book Pro, running windows 10 pro, 8 gigs of ram, I don’t remember what sound card off the top of my head.

 

I have a set of Bose Comfort Bluetooth headphones which can either be plugged in or used Bluetooth but plugged in makes them sound a little better and lengthens the battery time on them. When I have them plugged after an hour or so my screen reader will quit speaking. I unplug them and my computer begins speaking through the speakers. I plug them back in and it’s like the computer doesn’t realize that they are there and continues speaking through the laptop speakers. I have ruled out the headphones being the issue by trying to plug another pair in. At this point I am either stuck moving to Bluetooth or restarting the computer to get it to speak through the headphones.

 

My guess is that it’s probably a hardware issue but has anyone ever experienced this with a screen reader and if so what was your solution?

 

 

Re: lengthy reading in Braille

David Csercsics
 

Interesting. What display do you have? I find that with the latest iOS 13 if the screen locks automatically it disconnects the display and I have to unlock the phone and wait for the display to reconnect. I have a Brailliant BI 40, but maybe you disabled autolock, which would explain that.

Re: lengthy reading in Braille

Brian Tew
 

My displays do not disconnect after long pauses in ios.
I wonder whats going on there.

Re: lengthy reading in Braille

David Csercsics
 

I don’t think NVDA can do that because I don’t think Windows knows about the braille display. The only reason Windows doesn’t go to sleep for speech is because it’s running through the sound card. But I think the problem is that Windows does not know about braille devices.

Re: lengthy reading in Braille

Vincent Le Goff
 

Just throwing an idea here, but shouldn't NVDA be able to reach Windows to tell it "no, keep running, we're still doing stuff" when pressing the Braille panning keys?  I guess most of us don't notice, because this is triggered by input devices (keyboards or mouses) but a Braille display just doesn't count.  However, I would think NVDA could do that fairly easily.  Just a guess here,

something worth implementing IMO.


Vincent

On 10/25/2019 9:48 PM, David Csercsics wrote:

 

Yes, I’ve hit this as well. Just make sure the power plan is high performance, or that nothing can cause the computer to sleep. If the screen saver or sleep activates, then this would occur. The bigger problem is that you cannot get braille on UAC or log on screens reliably, and that braille support is fairly crippled without the braille extender add-on for most braille displays as compared to other screen readers. However I’m a primary braille user, though I never use braille input because the translator lag makes touch typing quicker, even though I have to pick up the keyboard to do it. Having to install add-ons for braille seems very silly indeed, as I’d think for those that have displays since a lot of us prefer braille to speech anyway, that seems like a basic feature. I’d say for serious braille reading though, braille Extender is a required install. The key commands are a bit odd compared to other screen readers, but they work well. Incidentally the same problem happens with braille on iOS. If you stop moving your display or something for a few seconds it’ll disconnect. I’m not sure what the best way should be to handle this by default though.