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Re: Audible and NVDA.

Val Temp <val.paul2005@...>
 

Hi!

As far as I can remember, you can only transfer a book to the victor stream by downloading the audible download and audible manager.I was the person who asked if NVDA HAD an add on for using the audible app as this not accessible with NVDA.


Val.

On 25/01/2020 18:13, John Isige wrote:
Anybody have any tips? Since somebody asked about an addon, I was wondering how usable it was. The Windows 10 app seems pretty useless. I'm thinking of getting a Victor Stream so I'll need to know how to register it and transfer books and all. It doesn't look like I can do it with the Windows 10 app, unless there are tips on making it work I don't know about. Do you just use the older program rather than the Windows 10 store version? Some stuff does work in the Windows 10 version, I was able to get signed in, but there are lots of lists that don't read and unlabelled buttons. So I mean, even if I just wanted to listen to a book I already own on the PC, I have no idea how to do that.


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Audible and NVDA.

John Isige
 

Anybody have any tips? Since somebody asked about an addon, I was wondering how usable it was. The Windows 10 app seems pretty useless. I'm thinking of getting a Victor Stream so I'll need to know how to register it and transfer books and all. It doesn't look like I can do it with the Windows 10 app, unless there are tips on making it work I don't know about. Do you just use the older program rather than the Windows 10 store version? Some stuff does work in the Windows 10 version, I was able to get signed in, but there are lots of lists that don't read and unlabelled buttons. So I mean, even if I just wanted to listen to a book I already own on the PC, I have no idea how to do that.

itunes

Brice Mijares
 

Does a itunes tutorial using NVDA exist? If so, I'd appreciate a copy. thank you.

Re: Indent nav addon question

 

Hi,
The version compatible with 2019.3 will be released shortly after 2019.3 stable version comes out.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 7:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Indent nav addon question

https://github.com/mltony/nvda-indent-nav/releases/download/v1.10v1.10/IndentNav.nvda-addon

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Greg Wocher
Sent: Samstag, 25. Januar 2020 14:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Indent nav addon question

Hello all,
When I try and install the indent nav add-on from the website NVDA won’t let me. It keeps telling me it is incompatible with 2019.3. Is there a 2019.3 compatible version of this add-on? I am running the latest beta of 2019.3 on windows10 version 1909

Thanks,
Greg Wocher

Re: Indent nav addon question

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Greg Wocher
Sent: Samstag, 25. Januar 2020 14:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Indent nav addon question

Hello all,
When I try and install the indent nav add-on from the website NVDA won’t let me. It keeps telling me it is incompatible with 2019.3. Is there a 2019.3 compatible version of this add-on? I am running the latest beta of 2019.3 on windows10 version 1909

Thanks,
Greg Wocher

Re: Indent nav addon question

Chris
 

From: Greg Wocher
Sent: 25 January 2020 13:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Indent nav addon question

 

Hello all,

When I try and install the indent nav add-on from the website NVDA won’t let me. It keeps telling me it is incompatible with 2019.3. Is there a 2019.3 compatible version of this add-on? I am running the latest beta of 2019.3 on windows10 version 1909

 

Thanks,

Greg Wocher

 

 

 

 

NVDA and audible

Val Temp <val.paul2005@...>
 

Hi!

I am new to this group, and this question may not be appropriate, in that case, rapped knuckles!

Does NVDA have an add on for the audible app?

Thanks.


Val.

Re: Too Much Serendipity. I'm Obviously Missing Something.

Gene
 

I should have said you can move out of where you are working, since you are still in the program interface.  In other words, you should be able to move away from where you are working by moving in the object hierarchy.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Too Much Serendipity. I'm Obviously Missing Something.

I expect you can move out of the interface without left clicking.  Do you know how to move by object and in the object hierarchy?  You should be able to leave any object without clicking by moving through the hierarchy.  I don't know if left clicking to move is causing the problem or part of it but it isn't the way you usually move somewhere else when working with object navigation.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Too Much Serendipity. I'm Obviously Missing Something.

First, thank you.  I will try your suggestion.

After a night's sleep, I have figured out some of the
madness and it's definitely not right but somewhat manageable once
you know what it is.

I open a new window and start the program.  I then load
the work file I am building and then virtually move the mouse to
the tree top.  Next, it's expand the tree and visit one of the
eleven major headings, expanding as needed or just clicking with a
double-left-click  for those that have only one level.

If you type the Tab key, you always start off by getting that strum
sound which means nothing is going to happen.

If you haven't visited any of the major headings and gone
in yet, your first attempt to open one usually works with the
double-left-click opening the item.  The Tab key starts working
and you can do your work then a Single left-click puts you back
out on the street, so to speak.

Here's what I discovered however.  After one visits that
first field in whatever area one chose, you can not apparently
visit other major headings.  The double-left-clicks stop opening
things or they are the wrong things or you end up randomly
somewhere else depending on how confused things are.

The Tab key now either reopens somewhere you've been or
the point of reference is lost and you just find yourself at a
heading that isn't needed right now.

I haven't figured out how to clear everything without
exiting the program and reloading.  something is remembering just
enough stuff to be wrong after the first object visit.  That Tab
key will continue to not strum but launch you in to the walls
every time you press it until you shut the program down.

Note to Tesla.  Don't use this logic in your AI efforts.

I did try NVDA+enter.  It said "Activate" and nothing else new
happened but this is definitely an issue of wrong focus or
remembering irrelevant information.

As I say, I have never used a piece of software that is
so broken.

If it turns out there is a strategy to make it normal,
it's not intuitive by any means.

The only thing good I can say is that if you can access
the different major headers, the program behaves but it is like
pulling teeth to get it to just do what it should.
Martin


"John Isige" <gwynn@...> writes:
> If you really just double-clicked again, i.e. hit numpad slash twice
> quickly, that might be your problem. I'd just defensively use routing.
> It seems to work, and that way you're sure that you are where you think
> you are. BTW, this may or may not work, but if you're using the object
> cursor, NVDA-enter activates the object the cursor's on. That might let
> you get to some things quicker than hitting NVDA-numpad slash and numpad
> slash every time.


Re: Too Much Serendipity. I'm Obviously Missing Something.

Gene
 

I expect you can move out of the interface without left clicking.  Do you know how to move by object and in the object hierarchy?  You should be able to leave any object without clicking by moving through the hierarchy.  I don't know if left clicking to move is causing the problem or part of it but it isn't the way you usually move somewhere else when working with object navigation.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Too Much Serendipity. I'm Obviously Missing Something.

First, thank you.  I will try your suggestion.

After a night's sleep, I have figured out some of the
madness and it's definitely not right but somewhat manageable once
you know what it is.

I open a new window and start the program.  I then load
the work file I am building and then virtually move the mouse to
the tree top.  Next, it's expand the tree and visit one of the
eleven major headings, expanding as needed or just clicking with a
double-left-click  for those that have only one level.

If you type the Tab key, you always start off by getting that strum
sound which means nothing is going to happen.

If you haven't visited any of the major headings and gone
in yet, your first attempt to open one usually works with the
double-left-click opening the item.  The Tab key starts working
and you can do your work then a Single left-click puts you back
out on the street, so to speak.

Here's what I discovered however.  After one visits that
first field in whatever area one chose, you can not apparently
visit other major headings.  The double-left-clicks stop opening
things or they are the wrong things or you end up randomly
somewhere else depending on how confused things are.

The Tab key now either reopens somewhere you've been or
the point of reference is lost and you just find yourself at a
heading that isn't needed right now.

I haven't figured out how to clear everything without
exiting the program and reloading.  something is remembering just
enough stuff to be wrong after the first object visit.  That Tab
key will continue to not strum but launch you in to the walls
every time you press it until you shut the program down.

Note to Tesla.  Don't use this logic in your AI efforts.

I did try NVDA+enter.  It said "Activate" and nothing else new
happened but this is definitely an issue of wrong focus or
remembering irrelevant information.

As I say, I have never used a piece of software that is
so broken.

If it turns out there is a strategy to make it normal,
it's not intuitive by any means.

The only thing good I can say is that if you can access
the different major headers, the program behaves but it is like
pulling teeth to get it to just do what it should.
Martin


"John Isige" <gwynn@...> writes:
> If you really just double-clicked again, i.e. hit numpad slash twice
> quickly, that might be your problem. I'd just defensively use routing.
> It seems to work, and that way you're sure that you are where you think
> you are. BTW, this may or may not work, but if you're using the object
> cursor, NVDA-enter activates the object the cursor's on. That might let
> you get to some things quicker than hitting NVDA-numpad slash and numpad
> slash every time.


Re: Too Much Serendipity. I'm Obviously Missing Something.

Martin McCormick
 

First, thank you. I will try your suggestion.

After a night's sleep, I have figured out some of the
madness and it's definitely not right but somewhat manageable once
you know what it is.

I open a new window and start the program. I then load
the work file I am building and then virtually move the mouse to
the tree top. Next, it's expand the tree and visit one of the
eleven major headings, expanding as needed or just clicking with a
double-left-click for those that have only one level.

If you type the Tab key, you always start off by getting that strum
sound which means nothing is going to happen.

If you haven't visited any of the major headings and gone
in yet, your first attempt to open one usually works with the
double-left-click opening the item. The Tab key starts working
and you can do your work then a Single left-click puts you back
out on the street, so to speak.

Here's what I discovered however. After one visits that
first field in whatever area one chose, you can not apparently
visit other major headings. The double-left-clicks stop opening
things or they are the wrong things or you end up randomly
somewhere else depending on how confused things are.

The Tab key now either reopens somewhere you've been or
the point of reference is lost and you just find yourself at a
heading that isn't needed right now.

I haven't figured out how to clear everything without
exiting the program and reloading. something is remembering just
enough stuff to be wrong after the first object visit. That Tab
key will continue to not strum but launch you in to the walls
every time you press it until you shut the program down.

Note to Tesla. Don't use this logic in your AI efforts.

I did try NVDA+enter. It said "Activate" and nothing else new
happened but this is definitely an issue of wrong focus or
remembering irrelevant information.

As I say, I have never used a piece of software that is
so broken.

If it turns out there is a strategy to make it normal,
it's not intuitive by any means.

The only thing good I can say is that if you can access
the different major headers, the program behaves but it is like
pulling teeth to get it to just do what it should.
Martin


"John Isige" <gwynn@...> writes:

If you really just double-clicked again, i.e. hit numpad slash twice
quickly, that might be your problem. I'd just defensively use routing.
It seems to work, and that way you're sure that you are where you think
you are. BTW, this may or may not work, but if you're using the object
cursor, NVDA-enter activates the object the cursor's on. That might let
you get to some things quicker than hitting NVDA-numpad slash and numpad
slash every time.

Indent nav addon question

Greg Wocher
 

Hello all,
When I try and install the indent nav add-on from the website NVDA won’t let me. It keeps telling me it is incompatible with 2019.3. Is there a 2019.3 compatible version of this add-on? I am running the latest beta of 2019.3 on windows10 version 1909

Thanks,
Greg Wocher

Re: Too Much Serendipity. I'm Obviously Missing Something.

John Isige
 

You wrote the following:


"    I then hit numpad / and got back to General Settings so,
for fun, I double-left clicked again which should have put me
back in General Settings.  It just sat there and a Tab press put
me back in."


If you really just double-clicked again, i.e. hit numpad slash twice
quickly, that might be your problem. I'd just defensively use routing.
It seems to work, and that way you're sure that you are where you think
you are. BTW, this may or may not work, but if you're using the object
cursor, NVDA-enter activates the object the cursor's on. That might let
you get to some things quicker than hitting NVDA-numpad slash and numpad
slash every time.

Re: Reader mode in Chrome?

 

i wish that save web page as html only format.
if i save them in notepad, i lose all headings and links.
if i can save as html only, it preserves actual and related content
with headings and links withoutt extra informations that are not
related to the material that i want to read.
someone told me that i can use developer tools to do this, but i did
not learn and dont know whether its accessible with nvda or not.

On 1/24/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
It may not be a good idea to save things in Reader Mode even if you can.
Reader Mode does a good job of presenting something like an article while
stripping out extraneous material but, unless you have read the text you
will be saving first, you don't definitely know that it has done everything
correctly. If you haven't read everything first and want to take a chance,
then you may want to save the material. It probably will be alright but I
don't trust such processes, unsupervised, to always produce the results I
want and I don't want to save material processed in that way without having
read it first.

I tested saving a page as Web Page, HTML only. I didn't test other options;
This was with an old version of Firefox. The page didn't save properly. I
don't know what would have happened with other options.

Regardless of what you can or can't save in Reader View, I would think you
could save text in reader view by selecting all, control a, copy to the
clipboard, paste it into Notepad, and saving it. I didn't test that.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 9:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reader mode in Chrome?


Not sure. If you got the older version of it that works with xp. I really
would not know if you can do this with an over version of firefox. If you
can great.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: zahra
Sent: January 23, 2020 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reader mode in Chrome?



how about firefox?

i wish to save my pages as html only in reader mode.



On 1/24/20, ADRIAN POCOCK <ampbeast@...> wrote:

Try just read or mercury reader. Just reader when you right click on
page
and save as it allows single html which is read by nvda.




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were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali











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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: Too Much Serendipity. I'm Obviously Missing Something.

Martin McCormick
 

I will interlieve my answers with your message.
"Gene" <gsasner@...> writes:
I haven't used the program and I can't tell how much of your problem is
not knowing certain things about object navigation, the program itself,
or both.
I suspect it is both. The program is flaky under nvda
and positively bonkers under narrator. It actually opens better
at first under narrator as narrator appears to know how to open
the tree but then you start seeing stuff that shouldn't appear.

I don't know if you already know all this but I'd rather cover things you
know than not discuss something that might be helpful.
Numpad insert numpad slash is the move mouse command to the current
position of the navigator. Hold numpad insert and press numpad slash.
Slash by itself is left mouse click. If you are using numpad insert
numpad slash to move the mouse, then clicking and doing something, are
you then moving somewhere else, moving the mouse after you move and
clicking the mouse? If you aren't moving the mouse, you may be clicking
on where you were before and you may be clicking something unintended.
the position of the mouse might be the same, but the program may be
showing something else under the mouse because of actions you have taken.
Extremely possible in fact, my gut feeling is that focus
only appears to be okay but isn't part of the time.

Here is an example and I don't know what this means yet
but the trouble starts after here. Up to here, things work and
the program prints a message

Digital Contact Tree View item focus selected expanded 2
of 2 Level 2

That's good and normal. When I Down-arrow from there, the next
link looks normal and says:

Level 3 Stillwater 1 of 2

If you use the navigator device of nvda +numpad-5 to see what
focus points to, you get

Stillwater Local Tree View item focus selected invisible
off-screen 1 of 2 level 3

I believe that off screen part of the message tells us a
lot but am not sure what.

There is another heading called General Settings and a
double-click there sends you several lines down to a totally
unrelated heading. This time, I arrowed up to General Settings
and did a nvda + numpad-/ so as to move the mouse there.

I then double-left-clicked the mouse and wonder of
wonders, I was in General settings and could move around and
change stuff to my heart's content.

I then hit numpad / and got back to General Settings so,
for fun, I double-left clicked again which should have put me
back in General Settings. It just sat there and a Tab press put
me back in.

I hear insanity is doing the same thing but expecting
different results but doing the same thing and getting different
results is also a bit wacko. Also, I arrowed down about 5 lines
and then hit Tab and I was back inside General Settings. The
focus didn't move because I could type a single left-click and
was back on the General Settings heading once again.

Does all that help any?

This behavior is the norm when running this software and
it is enough to drive one crazy.


Anyway, it is what it is but I wish I could reset when leaving
one of the main headings so each new double-click takes you where
common sense says you should be.

I have been using Windows10 and nvda since last Summer
and never seen behavior like this. Everything else I've done in
Windows was fairly predictable and one gets the feeling of being
in control.

Thanks

Martin

Re: Is alt + p a nvda or a Windows command?

Martin McCormick
 

Great question. This program is short on self-documentation but
I did run it via narrator which shows a completely different
layout for the screen and one can read the Read and Write buttons
without running the program. If you have narrator on instead of
nvda, the program does put the Read button on the screen and it
changes to Write when the Down Arrow is pressed.

It's definitely part of that particular program.

Martin
"Gene" <gsasner@...> writes:

Did you look in the menus and see if there is an item that, when you move
to it, announces p as the short cut? Or it could be a menu itself, such
as the file menu in menu programs or the edit menu as examples.

Gene

Re: cd i can not play a cd!

Arlene
 

I’ll say no more. Yes when you do play cds on windows ten. You have to go to auto play.  Its in control panel as it always is.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: January 24, 2020 10:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] cd i can not play a cd!

 

This should be in the chat group.  So, for respect for list rules, I won't reply further here.

 

You may be referring to autoplay, where CDs play automatically when you insert them.

I'd have to check to see how that is done.  I also don't know if the interface is the same for Windows 10 as for Windows 7.

But if you go to the CD drive in this computer or file explorer, then just press enter on the drive, an audio CD will play.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 12:35 PM

Subject: [nvda] cd i can not play a cd!

 

my see dees will not play how? do I get my c d's to play do I go
2controle pannal then settings?

 

Re: Too Much Serendipity. I'm Obviously Missing Something.

Gene
 

I haven't used the program and I can't tell how much of your problem is not knowing certain things about object navigation, the program itself, or both.
 
I don't know if you already know all this but I'd rather cover things you know than not discuss something that might be helpful.
Numpad insert numpad slash is the move mouse command to the current position of the navigator.  Hold numpad insert and press numpad slash.  Slash by itself is left mouse click.  If you are using numpad insert numpad slash to move the mouse, then clicking and doing something, are you then moving somewhere else, moving the mouse after you move and clicking the mouse?  If you aren't moving the mouse, you may be clicking on where you were before and you may be clicking something unintended.  the position of the mouse might be the same, but the program may be showing something else under the mouse because of actions you have taken. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 4:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] Too Much Serendipity. I'm Obviously Missing Something.

I am using software in which most or all the regular
Windows keyboard shortcuts don't work so you have to use the
object navigator.  It's nvda + numpad / followed by numpad /
which is a left-click and you're at the top of a Tree View.
Arrow down and there's the tree name which you open and there
are, in this case, eleven items that one visits as needed to
throw virtual switches or enter data.

When things work, one double-left-clicks on a heading
such as General Settings and it opens to reveal several
configurable parameters so one does one's thing in there and then
presses the left-click to be outside of the heading, ready to go
to another heading or folder to open it and do things.

When it is cyber fun house day, the system is totally
dyslexic.  I can check the navigator with nvda + nunpad-5 and the
caret with nvda + Tab and they show the same field I am sitting
on with the arrows so I double-left-click and poof! I am at some
other randomly-selected part of the tree.

It's actually not totally random but it bears no
relationship to what I was trying to do.  It is heavily
influenced by where I've been while the app was running.

The software is a perfect training tool to learn nvda
because of the missing Windows keyboard shortcuts.  The first
time I ran it, nothing worked and that's when somebody told me
about the object navigator and it is a wonderful thing but there
must be something I should test for and manually correct.  It's
not losing focus so much as it just seems to take off to where
the spirit moves it. 

I haven't figured out the difference between the
occasional productive session and total chaos which is the rule
rather than the exception.

I am going to put a link to where to get this software
but I think the problem is I am still learning nvda and this
software is so lacking in indoor plumbing and electricity as a
figure of speech that I don't know all the tricks yet and there
is no other alternative but to use this particular software.

If the problem I describe sounds familiar, it is probably
common to deficient software and playing with this particular
software is not necessary.

        https://gd-77.s3.amazonaws.com/GD-77S%20Firmware%20V1.3.0%20%26%20Software%20V1.1.10_20190712.zip

This is not a particularly dangerous zip file but unpack it
somewhere you feel comfortable with it.

It will produce two directories, one with firmware in
it's name and the other with program in it's name.
We're interested in  the program directory.
You can run the setup and it will install gd-77S which
is the program.

It configures a brand of two-way radio of the same name
as the program

But the radio doesn't need to be present to run the
program.  It builds a configuration file that one feeds in to a
radio as a last step.

I have been able to use most of the program but it would
be nice to be able to dependably go
where one intended to go rather than pinball around getting
nothing done.

Thanks for any and all constructive ideas especially any
links to documentation for nvda which I say again, is a wonderful
tool which those of us who use it are thankful for.

Martin McCormick


Re: NVDA: Auto-Complete While Commenting On Facebook Using Google Chrome

Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...>
 

Richard, I just keep typing, and the list collapses. It shouldn't input a person's name unless you press Enter on a selection in the pop--up list. Unfortunately, if you want to mention someone in this way, and there's more than one name in the list, NVDA won't read them. So, it's hit or miss. Most of the time, I use mbasic.facebook.com or m.facebook.com, and I don't have this problem. I hope this helps.
--
Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author
http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
abbietaylor945@...

Too Much Serendipity. I'm Obviously Missing Something.

Martin McCormick
 

I am using software in which most or all the regular
Windows keyboard shortcuts don't work so you have to use the
object navigator. It's nvda + numpad / followed by numpad /
which is a left-click and you're at the top of a Tree View.
Arrow down and there's the tree name which you open and there
are, in this case, eleven items that one visits as needed to
throw virtual switches or enter data.

When things work, one double-left-clicks on a heading
such as General Settings and it opens to reveal several
configurable parameters so one does one's thing in there and then
presses the left-click to be outside of the heading, ready to go
to another heading or folder to open it and do things.

When it is cyber fun house day, the system is totally
dyslexic. I can check the navigator with nvda + nunpad-5 and the
caret with nvda + Tab and they show the same field I am sitting
on with the arrows so I double-left-click and poof! I am at some
other randomly-selected part of the tree.

It's actually not totally random but it bears no
relationship to what I was trying to do. It is heavily
influenced by where I've been while the app was running.

The software is a perfect training tool to learn nvda
because of the missing Windows keyboard shortcuts. The first
time I ran it, nothing worked and that's when somebody told me
about the object navigator and it is a wonderful thing but there
must be something I should test for and manually correct. It's
not losing focus so much as it just seems to take off to where
the spirit moves it.

I haven't figured out the difference between the
occasional productive session and total chaos which is the rule
rather than the exception.

I am going to put a link to where to get this software
but I think the problem is I am still learning nvda and this
software is so lacking in indoor plumbing and electricity as a
figure of speech that I don't know all the tricks yet and there
is no other alternative but to use this particular software.

If the problem I describe sounds familiar, it is probably
common to deficient software and playing with this particular
software is not necessary.

https://gd-77.s3.amazonaws.com/GD-77S%20Firmware%20V1.3.0%20%26%20Software%20V1.1.10_20190712.zip

This is not a particularly dangerous zip file but unpack it
somewhere you feel comfortable with it.

It will produce two directories, one with firmware in
it's name and the other with program in it's name.
We're interested in the program directory.
You can run the setup and it will install gd-77S which
is the program.

It configures a brand of two-way radio of the same name
as the program

But the radio doesn't need to be present to run the
program. It builds a configuration file that one feeds in to a
radio as a last step.

I have been able to use most of the program but it would
be nice to be able to dependably go
where one intended to go rather than pinball around getting
nothing done.

Thanks for any and all constructive ideas especially any
links to documentation for nvda which I say again, is a wonderful
tool which those of us who use it are thankful for.

Martin McCormick