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Re: Dropbox interfering with NVDA when reading Word files

 

To be honest I would open the file outside the folder myself.

Access to bits of the client is not as good as it should be.

Most likely if you ocr it its either a security warning or asking you about modifying the file or something.

Usually I quit dropbox when I don't need it and make modifications to files outside my dropbox folder as it can sometimes be strange.

I have had it where windows will not run programs in dropbox till I have them outside dropbox.



On 14/01/2020 11:31 am, Clive Lever wrote:

Hi all,

 

For the first time today, when I went into my Dropbox area using NVDA, and opened up a Word file, The usual text I hear when opening these files was interrupted by a message saying: “Dropbox Window”. I suspect this is probably a problem with Dropbox rather than with NVDA, but short of copying the file out of the DB area, can anyone suggest a solution? It would also be helpful to find out exactly what is causing this.

 

Someone on another list has highlighted this problem too, and says it seems to happen when opening Word or Excel files but not with other editable file types, such as plain text.

 

Thanks,

Clive

 

 

Re: Dropbox interfering with NVDA when reading excel files

 

It's happened to me so many times with excel and Word documents I moved all of my documents over to OneDrive. Now, the only things I have in my DropBox are shared folders and my portable apps like Thunderbird and Miranda NG and stuff. It's become such an annoyance I moved, for now, but have been trying to find an accessibility email to DropBox. No such luck, yet.

Re: Dropbox interfering with NVDA when reading excel files

Mark
 

Hi also does it to excel

I had to move my excel files to one drive to read them

Mark.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Clive Lever
Sent: 13 January 2020 22:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Dropbox interfering with NVDA when reading Word files

 

Hi all,

 

For the first time today, when I went into my Dropbox area using NVDA, and opened up a Word file, The usual text I hear when opening these files was interrupted by a message saying: “Dropbox Window”. I suspect this is probably a problem with Dropbox rather than with NVDA, but short of copying the file out of the DB area, can anyone suggest a solution? It would also be helpful to find out exactly what is causing this.

 

Someone on another list has highlighted this problem too, and says it seems to happen when opening Word or Excel files but not with other editable file types, such as plain text.

 

Thanks,

Clive

 

 

 

Dropbox interfering with NVDA when reading Word files

Clive Lever
 

Hi all,

 

For the first time today, when I went into my Dropbox area using NVDA, and opened up a Word file, The usual text I hear when opening these files was interrupted by a message saying: “Dropbox Window”. I suspect this is probably a problem with Dropbox rather than with NVDA, but short of copying the file out of the DB area, can anyone suggest a solution? It would also be helpful to find out exactly what is causing this.

 

Someone on another list has highlighted this problem too, and says it seems to happen when opening Word or Excel files but not with other editable file types, such as plain text.

 

Thanks,

Clive

 

 

Re: Excel and VBa 2010 Questions

 

Its worth noting though probably not helpfull that you really should upgrade to something which is not 2010.

Somewhere where, I forget, office 2010 support is supposed to end soon.

On 14/01/2020 10:04 am, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
Hi Pele,

My answers are indicated with the letter "A:" following your original
questions.

1. What is the trick in NVDA to go to a specific worksheet in a workbook?
I have a workbook containing nearly 150 worksheets and would like to
activate a sheet using its name. I can press <NVDA+F7> to bring up the
elements list and can see Worksheets, but it does not show me a list of
sheets.
A: Tab twice after you see 2Worksheets" and you will have all the sheets
listed there. Press the first letter of the desired worksheet if you know
its name.


2. Is there a way to stop VBA 2010 missing out lines in my code? I seem to
be able to find the line I want and then it disappears.
A: "Disappears"?
2.1. Have you maximised the screen?
2.2. Have you more than one module in the VBA editor? Try pressing
control+tab to see if the code comes back.
3. Try using NVDA+control +F to search the VBA script and see if your code
is thee.
2.4. Test to see if all your code is present by pressing control+shift+end
from the top of the document and copy the highlighted text to Notepad++ and
see if the text is actually present.

3. Recently Excel 2010 has been acting very strangely. If I am looking at a
worksheet or VBA macro and switch to another program it does not appear to
access it although the title bar says it has focus. The only way I can
resolve the situation is to close everything down.Can anyone advise?
A: I'm not sure what you mean here. Is it that the other program cannot be
accessed or that you cannot return to the Excel screen? Could yo clarify
your meaning here?
3.1. Try maximising the Excel screen when you return to it.
3.2. Press the left alt key twice to refresh the NVDA focus and see if that
brings up the details of the screen.


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...






Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues

 

Yeah, now you really don't want to many sounds or at least similar sounds.

Like in thunderbird which uses the same sound for chat and mail which I'd actually do something about but I don't chat in that so I don't need to.

Sometimes I find to much speech a bit disruptive.


On 14/01/2020 9:59 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I actually work faster with sound not speach. I would if I could speak in sound alone as my brain processes sound way way faster than speach, it always has. I'm weird but ther you go.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.

to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 13 Jan 2020, at 11:43, Gene wrote:

However the user prefers, and that can be provided for in the choices, in a case like this, hearing some sort of verification is important.  If you are scanning a twenty page or a fifty page document, you shouldn't have to check the bottom of every new page to make sure it is different from the last page you added. 
 
Also, regarding me wanting to hear the words, I don't want to remember that this tone means this, and that tone means that.  Just hearing a word like copy, cut and paste doesn't take any amount of time that matters.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hmmm you know jean I am going to have to disagree with you.

I really concidder coppy and paste announcements to become after a while annoying for me to listen to.

As a compromise, I guess some tone would be fine especially if that could be customised.

Its why I am for some sort of event or theme manager in nvda with sound schemes like audiothemes but we can set up different events such as cut, copy paste, typing if we want, maybe have somethings that instead of speaking we get announcements.

Would be nice if we had haptic keyboards or mice or touchpads on desktops, that may work.

I do sometimes find to many spoken messages to be verbose and grating on my ears.

You may not however.



On 14/01/2020 7:52 am, Gene wrote:
I should add that its been a long time since I used that very old version.  I may be incorrect and you may have to delete the material before scanning new material.  You could probably cut it to the clipboard but if you are going to do that or the copy method, I would suggest that having Clip Speak is important.  You need verification of copy and paste so you can do these things with confidence.  You don't want to check every time you paste to be sure the correct material was pasted.  In short, if you hear that material is copied and then pasted, it will save time in checking the end of every page to make sure it is different from last time.  Just one more reason its long since time to have copy and paste announced as a part of NVDA. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?
 
In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.
 
I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.




Re: Excel and VBa 2010 Questions

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Hi Pele,

My answers are indicated with the letter "A:" following your original
questions.

1. What is the trick in NVDA to go to a specific worksheet in a workbook?
I have a workbook containing nearly 150 worksheets and would like to
activate a sheet using its name. I can press <NVDA+F7> to bring up the
elements list and can see Worksheets, but it does not show me a list of
sheets.
A: Tab twice after you see 2Worksheets" and you will have all the sheets
listed there. Press the first letter of the desired worksheet if you know
its name.


2. Is there a way to stop VBA 2010 missing out lines in my code? I seem to
be able to find the line I want and then it disappears.
A: "Disappears"?
2.1. Have you maximised the screen?
2.2. Have you more than one module in the VBA editor? Try pressing
control+tab to see if the code comes back.
3. Try using NVDA+control +F to search the VBA script and see if your code
is thee.
2.4. Test to see if all your code is present by pressing control+shift+end
from the top of the document and copy the highlighted text to Notepad++ and
see if the text is actually present.

3. Recently Excel 2010 has been acting very strangely. If I am looking at a
worksheet or VBA macro and switch to another program it does not appear to
access it although the title bar says it has focus. The only way I can
resolve the situation is to close everything down.Can anyone advise?
A: I'm not sure what you mean here. Is it that the other program cannot be
accessed or that you cannot return to the Excel screen? Could yo clarify
your meaning here?
3.1. Try maximising the Excel screen when you return to it.
3.2. Press the left alt key twice to refresh the NVDA focus and see if that
brings up the details of the screen.


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Sarah k Alawami
 

I actually work faster with sound not speach. I would if I could speak in sound alone as my brain processes sound way way faster than speach, it always has. I'm weird but ther you go.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.

to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 13 Jan 2020, at 11:43, Gene wrote:

However the user prefers, and that can be provided for in the choices, in a case like this, hearing some sort of verification is important.  If you are scanning a twenty page or a fifty page document, you shouldn't have to check the bottom of every new page to make sure it is different from the last page you added. 
 
Also, regarding me wanting to hear the words, I don't want to remember that this tone means this, and that tone means that.  Just hearing a word like copy, cut and paste doesn't take any amount of time that matters.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hmmm you know jean I am going to have to disagree with you.

I really concidder coppy and paste announcements to become after a while annoying for me to listen to.

As a compromise, I guess some tone would be fine especially if that could be customised.

Its why I am for some sort of event or theme manager in nvda with sound schemes like audiothemes but we can set up different events such as cut, copy paste, typing if we want, maybe have somethings that instead of speaking we get announcements.

Would be nice if we had haptic keyboards or mice or touchpads on desktops, that may work.

I do sometimes find to many spoken messages to be verbose and grating on my ears.

You may not however.



On 14/01/2020 7:52 am, Gene wrote:
I should add that its been a long time since I used that very old version.  I may be incorrect and you may have to delete the material before scanning new material.  You could probably cut it to the clipboard but if you are going to do that or the copy method, I would suggest that having Clip Speak is important.  You need verification of copy and paste so you can do these things with confidence.  You don't want to check every time you paste to be sure the correct material was pasted.  In short, if you hear that material is copied and then pasted, it will save time in checking the end of every page to make sure it is different from last time.  Just one more reason its long since time to have copy and paste announced as a part of NVDA. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?
 
In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.
 
I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.




Re: NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

 

Hello all,

Last time I checked, KMPlayer could output reading aloud of subtitles only via SAPI5 - no screen reader involved in this case. I don't know if braille output is possible in this case, but somehow - I doubt it.

On the other hand however, PotPlayer can output reading aloud of subtitles not only via SAPI5 or OneCore (with no screen reader involved), but with the screen reader involved (via UIA). The choice is left to the user. The options for configuring how the subtitle reading will occur Are located in PotPlayer's settings (opened with F5) -> Accessibility. The first group of options are for outputting via SAPI5/OneCore (TTS). The second group is for outputting via the screen reader. In the second choice, the subtitles are outputted as the title of the window. I don't know if this will help with reading the subtitles via braille, but you can try it and see. To stop the screen reader from reading the subtitles aloud via its voice, you can try disabling its speech (e.g. for NVDA - Insert+S or selecting "No Speech" as the current synthesizer). As I said - I'm not sure how well this will work, but try it if you want.

Hint: If you use the reading aloud via the screen reader option of PotPlayer and configure the screen reader to lower the volume of other audio while speaking, you can get a not bad dubbing result (winking smile).

P.S.: PotPlayer is also free as KMPlayer is, and I haven't noticed any bloatware in its installer.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

На 13.1.2020 г. в 21:53, Shaun Everiss написа:

Hmmm while I like subtitles in audio description and find that nice, I'd find it destracting if a synth did it unless it was a good synth.

Its been something I have been looking at for a while.

While yes I have the vocaliser code factory voices and while they do ok for books and general gaming, some of their pronounciations and such could be better.

I listened to neospeech and found out that a voice is round 300 dollars a year subscription.

And while making a few files was a secondary goal I wanted to read with my screen reader and or sapi.

I have listened to the ivona voices but they seem to have the same issues as vocaliser does after a while.

I have listened to the acapella voices, and I may eventually buy them.

I also know a place where older neospeech voices exist I could still buy but that site is so old and has a lot of old stuff I am unsure if it still exists or not.


On 14/01/2020 8:04 am, JM Casey wrote:

It’s been a while since I did this, but personally I download subtitles from a site like this one and read them on a braille display, since I want to hear the voices of the actors and not a synth. It is hard to keep up sometimees and there is no syncing with the video since I just read as a text file, but it’s doable, though sometimes you have to be a fast reader. Sighted people have this issue too though of not always being able to keep up with fast dialogue, even if they are at a bit of an advantage.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Oriana
Sent: January 12, 2020 3:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

 

For various reasons, the subtitles for many English and foreign films are available at https://www.opensubtitles.org . Keep in mind that the subtitle standard is to record the speaker name for every line, but many publicly contributed subtitles simply don't. Timing can also be extremely frustrating.

 

On Sun, Jan 12, 2020, 3:03 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I suppose you could turn off the sound of the film and just read the subtitles.  But if you are going to do that, you might do much better, in terms of accessibility, to see if the script of the movie is available.  There are some sites that are completely useless such as Scriptorama, (spelling) because the person goes through all the trouble of transcribing script after script, and doesn't include any information such as who is speaking and the setting.  There are other sites that have full scripts, but you will get earlier drafts on some sites, not the final scripts and there may be important differences.  So be careful what the site tells you about the script.

 

Actually, as I think about it, it might be cumbersome, but using a script from Scriptorama, maybe you could use it to find passages that are unintelligible in the film and read them while stopping the film, then returning to the film.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:19 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

 

Rob,

        I get what you're saying, but just imagine what it would be like to have the dialog, the background noise that's part of the scene, and synthesized subtitles all being churned out at the same time.

        I understand what you're trying to solve, but I don't think that adding "a third layer" that's also presented auditorily will actually do that.  I guess it can't hurt to try, if it's possible, but I suspect a "making it worse, not better" outcome.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 

Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Kerryn Gunness
 


i use abby 12
i have problems with navigating the menu, nvda does not read the menu options

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hmmm, well its 189 bucks but yeah.

With all the accessible scanner solutions either in doubt or just not updated or in limbo, bar maybe text cloner which costs 50 or so dollars less than mainstream software.

Its another thing.

I know we as blind will find it better using specialised software, however I think in my opinion that if we want to try to get more software accessible and integrate a bit more into the sightling world that were we can we should use mainstream to a point.

If its not at all accessible, I understand but if it is accessible or at least usable and the company is receptive to us then I'd push for full access.

Its not going to make everyone help us or everything accessible.

Steam for example has variable access though its going chromium so that may change, to quite a lot of third party security tools and there may be more.

Access has come a long way mind you.

A lot of games are accessible.

And anything that has to do with reading, office documents and recognition seems to have stronger accessability than standard.

And while its not always the case, it seems to be the smaller the maker the more ready they are to change.

It would be nice if all the big companies were accessible but if not all the big, the small to medium stuff.

One thing I have noticed not just in fine reader, but other places, is the mentallity that if it works with jaws, then it works for everything.

And while that has been the case for a while, I am unsure if it still is.

Back when I did use jaws 6, I knew that like nvda it was heavily script driven.

However like older pre xp windows 98, where every bit of hardware needed a driver installed and you had to get a lot of those yourself, everything needed a thirdparty script at least thats what it felt like to me.

Probably not everything but I remember having to get scripts for things that in other readers I had like supernova didn't need scripts to even work properly if at all.

Never mind the licencing which again, was not the best, ie, home for windows home, pro for windows pro.

It didn't bring me more features, at least they seemed to have ditched that scheme now.



On 14/01/2020 7:53 am, Gene wrote:
You shouldn't, but it sure is nice to save eight or nine hundred dollars and get the current version.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Well its not exactly difficult, but its just I should be able to read the window is all.

Like I should be able to scroll the combo boxes in options and access the menus without delays.

I didn't have this issue on finereader version 12 to 14 as such though others I know say that some of the buttons had issues but I never had them so I can't really comment.



On 14/01/2020 7:38 am, Gene wrote:
If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?
 
In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.
 
I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.




Re: NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

 

Hmmph, and if only real displays got less expensive.

Yeah I know there are 14-20 cell units but 20 cells is barely 2 lines.

Now something like the canute would be worth having but since any of the really good displays cost as much as a really top of the line gaming laptop, well put it this way, I know what I would want if I had to pay 3000 for it.

On 14/01/2020 8:45 am, JM Casey wrote:
Braille is the only sensible way to handle this, in my opinion...would still
be nice to be able to get it to sync witht eh video but hey, at least it is
doable. The world is a big place and there are thousands of films I'd love
to see in languages other than the ones I know.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rob Hudson
Sent: January 12, 2020 1:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
I get what you're saying, but just imagine what it would be like to have
the dialog, the background noise that's part of the scene, and synthesized
subtitles all being churned out at the same time.

And that's why I said braille display. That's how I used to read them.




Re: NVDA with Windows 10 Pe

 

Hmmm the windows pe is one of those older bits of software that is not about.

There are several versions, but I know of only 2 of them.

It would actually be nice if someone could make a talking windows pe similar to a boot cd which could run diagnostics etc and be updated.

It wouldn't need to be windows 10, it could be 7 or even xp.

It would need generic sound ability, able to run on 32 and 64 bit and access ntfs, all fat types, etc.

To be honest, I'd probably create something based on windows 7 or even xp just so you had an easier time of doing things but thats just me.

I know that the latest win pe builder may or may  as the case may be accessible but I havn't played for a while.

I don't know much about making or scripting one either.

On 14/01/2020 8:24 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi guys

I have been asked the following question below. I have not used the program but some one else might of.


By the way has any one got a updated link to the images either the link is timing out or broken to them.

he is after the windows 10 version or he might already have it?


Hi Gene,
Happy new year to you,
I thought you would be the best person to question on this one.
I’ve just taken on a new role and one of the things I should be doing is reimaging computers
One of the tools used in this situation is to back up all data from user folders etc with a tool called:
“Macrium”,
This product runs on a Windows 10 PE installation from a flash drive.
I did a quick search on / through Google
And it appears NVDA is able to work from / on Windows PE or at least was able to back in mid 2019.
I just want to confirm that this is possible and if anyone within the NVDA team might have suggestions on how to ensure things work correctly.
Thanks for any assistance you can provide.



Gene nz



Re: NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

 

Hmmm while I like subtitles in audio description and find that nice, I'd find it destracting if a synth did it unless it was a good synth.

Its been something I have been looking at for a while.

While yes I have the vocaliser code factory voices and while they do ok for books and general gaming, some of their pronounciations and such could be better.

I listened to neospeech and found out that a voice is round 300 dollars a year subscription.

And while making a few files was a secondary goal I wanted to read with my screen reader and or sapi.

I have listened to the ivona voices but they seem to have the same issues as vocaliser does after a while.

I have listened to the acapella voices, and I may eventually buy them.

I also know a place where older neospeech voices exist I could still buy but that site is so old and has a lot of old stuff I am unsure if it still exists or not.


On 14/01/2020 8:04 am, JM Casey wrote:

It’s been a while since I did this, but personally I download subtitles from a site like this one and read them on a braille display, since I want to hear the voices of the actors and not a synth. It is hard to keep up sometimees and there is no syncing with the video since I just read as a text file, but it’s doable, though sometimes you have to be a fast reader. Sighted people have this issue too though of not always being able to keep up with fast dialogue, even if they are at a bit of an advantage.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Oriana
Sent: January 12, 2020 3:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

 

For various reasons, the subtitles for many English and foreign films are available at https://www.opensubtitles.org . Keep in mind that the subtitle standard is to record the speaker name for every line, but many publicly contributed subtitles simply don't. Timing can also be extremely frustrating.

 

On Sun, Jan 12, 2020, 3:03 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I suppose you could turn off the sound of the film and just read the subtitles.  But if you are going to do that, you might do much better, in terms of accessibility, to see if the script of the movie is available.  There are some sites that are completely useless such as Scriptorama, (spelling) because the person goes through all the trouble of transcribing script after script, and doesn't include any information such as who is speaking and the setting.  There are other sites that have full scripts, but you will get earlier drafts on some sites, not the final scripts and there may be important differences.  So be careful what the site tells you about the script.

 

Actually, as I think about it, it might be cumbersome, but using a script from Scriptorama, maybe you could use it to find passages that are unintelligible in the film and read them while stopping the film, then returning to the film.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:19 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

 

Rob,

        I get what you're saying, but just imagine what it would be like to have the dialog, the background noise that's part of the scene, and synthesized subtitles all being churned out at the same time.

        I understand what you're trying to solve, but I don't think that adding "a third layer" that's also presented auditorily will actually do that.  I guess it can't hurt to try, if it's possible, but I suspect a "making it worse, not better" outcome.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 

Re: ocr solutions

 

Can we as users use windows ocr natively itself?

Ie are there programs that use windows ocr themselves, that may be a way forward if at some point I decide not to upgrade.

All I will want is to scan the occasional picture, pdf or in fact maybe scan things like I do with nvda and copy them over.

The windows ocr seems to be reasonable, at least most of the time.

Its always been in the back of my mind that windows ocr should be usable in other ways to.

I do have knfb reader and I do use that for some images and it does what I need.

I have codex which uses the calibre and seems to be able to decode some image pdfs.

Maybe its something I have to research.

All I would need is a way to scan an image or other document, say a pdf  and convert it to a text or word file.

Google ocr is another thing I guess I could use on the go, so maybe I will look into that a bit to.

I would like something that could describe pictures, and maybe have me able to edit the descriptions and maybe using alt text or something or am I getting to carried away?



On 14/01/2020 7:56 am, Gene wrote:
There is confusion on the subject.  There is an add-on to provide OCR for versions of Windows lower than Windows 10.  Windows 10 has its own OCr, so the add-on is no longer used. 
for purchase.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: January 12, 2020 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

That's strange that it would be in 7 and not ten.
And no,  win 7 is not being discontinued, it is not being fully supported.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell
Sent: January-12-20 3:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

There is but it only runs on windows 7 which is going to be discontinued in 48 hours (two days). OCR in NVDA is built in on windows 10. If you try to do insert R desktop or caps lock R laptop and your laptop or desktop runs windows 7 it will say, Windows 10 OCR not available.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

Isn't there an ocr  addon  for nvda?


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-12-20 2:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

Hmph, another reason to maybe not use jaws, to be honest, if nvda could have some scanner addon which could use finereader engine and others I'd probably buy it, I mean I'd like a standalone program to but still.

It seems the best way forward is mainstream software then.

I'd like to know if those that use omnipage especially the later versions and the ultimate version especially find it better than abbyy or whatever.

I have a user staying on abyy 12 because its accessible, however, it means I am using older software which will probably go out of date.

There was a time 3 or so years back when the network relied on dragon naturally speaking and an offer/add came up from nuance about omnipage and a rediculous offer on ultimate but I never took that.



On 13/01/2020 9:05 am, Sky Mundell wrote:
> No they aren't they said they're now putting the OCR functions in JAWS.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Don H
> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 11:48 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions
>
> Open book hasn't been updated for years and I don't think that FS is
> planning on updating it any time soon.
>
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Re: NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

JM Casey
 

Braille is the only sensible way to handle this, in my opinion...would still
be nice to be able to get it to sync witht eh video but hey, at least it is
doable. The world is a big place and there are thousands of films I'd love
to see in languages other than the ones I know.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rob Hudson
Sent: January 12, 2020 1:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
I get what you're saying, but just imagine what it would be like to have
the dialog, the background noise that's part of the scene, and synthesized
subtitles all being churned out at the same time.

And that's why I said braille display. That's how I used to read them.

Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues

 

Hmmm, well its 189 bucks but yeah.

With all the accessible scanner solutions either in doubt or just not updated or in limbo, bar maybe text cloner which costs 50 or so dollars less than mainstream software.

Its another thing.

I know we as blind will find it better using specialised software, however I think in my opinion that if we want to try to get more software accessible and integrate a bit more into the sightling world that were we can we should use mainstream to a point.

If its not at all accessible, I understand but if it is accessible or at least usable and the company is receptive to us then I'd push for full access.

Its not going to make everyone help us or everything accessible.

Steam for example has variable access though its going chromium so that may change, to quite a lot of third party security tools and there may be more.

Access has come a long way mind you.

A lot of games are accessible.

And anything that has to do with reading, office documents and recognition seems to have stronger accessability than standard.

And while its not always the case, it seems to be the smaller the maker the more ready they are to change.

It would be nice if all the big companies were accessible but if not all the big, the small to medium stuff.

One thing I have noticed not just in fine reader, but other places, is the mentallity that if it works with jaws, then it works for everything.

And while that has been the case for a while, I am unsure if it still is.

Back when I did use jaws 6, I knew that like nvda it was heavily script driven.

However like older pre xp windows 98, where every bit of hardware needed a driver installed and you had to get a lot of those yourself, everything needed a thirdparty script at least thats what it felt like to me.

Probably not everything but I remember having to get scripts for things that in other readers I had like supernova didn't need scripts to even work properly if at all.

Never mind the licencing which again, was not the best, ie, home for windows home, pro for windows pro.

It didn't bring me more features, at least they seemed to have ditched that scheme now.



On 14/01/2020 7:53 am, Gene wrote:
You shouldn't, but it sure is nice to save eight or nine hundred dollars and get the current version.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Well its not exactly difficult, but its just I should be able to read the window is all.

Like I should be able to scroll the combo boxes in options and access the menus without delays.

I didn't have this issue on finereader version 12 to 14 as such though others I know say that some of the buttons had issues but I never had them so I can't really comment.



On 14/01/2020 7:38 am, Gene wrote:
If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?
 
In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.
 
I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.




Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Gene
 

However the user prefers, and that can be provided for in the choices, in a case like this, hearing some sort of verification is important.  If you are scanning a twenty page or a fifty page document, you shouldn't have to check the bottom of every new page to make sure it is different from the last page you added. 
 
Also, regarding me wanting to hear the words, I don't want to remember that this tone means this, and that tone means that.  Just hearing a word like copy, cut and paste doesn't take any amount of time that matters.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hmmm you know jean I am going to have to disagree with you.

I really concidder coppy and paste announcements to become after a while annoying for me to listen to.

As a compromise, I guess some tone would be fine especially if that could be customised.

Its why I am for some sort of event or theme manager in nvda with sound schemes like audiothemes but we can set up different events such as cut, copy paste, typing if we want, maybe have somethings that instead of speaking we get announcements.

Would be nice if we had haptic keyboards or mice or touchpads on desktops, that may work.

I do sometimes find to many spoken messages to be verbose and grating on my ears.

You may not however.



On 14/01/2020 7:52 am, Gene wrote:
I should add that its been a long time since I used that very old version.  I may be incorrect and you may have to delete the material before scanning new material.  You could probably cut it to the clipboard but if you are going to do that or the copy method, I would suggest that having Clip Speak is important.  You need verification of copy and paste so you can do these things with confidence.  You don't want to check every time you paste to be sure the correct material was pasted.  In short, if you hear that material is copied and then pasted, it will save time in checking the end of every page to make sure it is different from last time.  Just one more reason its long since time to have copy and paste announced as a part of NVDA. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?
 
In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.
 
I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.




Re: NVDA with Windows 10 Pe

John Isige
 

I don't have Windows PE, but Narrator can read a lot of Windows now. For
instance, if you have to do an install from scratch, or a reset,
Narrator can read that. It can't read the menu that let's you reset or
whatever, but once that's going, you can activate Narrator and get
feedback and select options and all. So the first thing I'd do, if I
were them, is boot the thing and see if Narrator comes up. I had to do a
Windows install a while back and I was able to boot the DVD or whatever
and do it myself, this only applies to Windows 10 of course.

On 1/13/2020 1:24 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi guys

I have been asked the following question below. I have not used the
program but some one else might of.


By the way has any one got a updated link to the images either the
link is timing out or broken to them.

he is after the windows 10 version or he might already have it?


Hi Gene,
Happy new year to you,
I thought you would be the best person to question on this one.
I’ve just taken on a new role and one of the things I should be doing
is reimaging computers
One of the tools used in this situation is to back up all data from
user folders etc with a tool called:
“Macrium”,
This product runs on a Windows 10 PE installation from a flash drive.
I did a quick search on / through Google
And it appears NVDA is able to work from / on Windows PE or at least
was able to back in mid 2019.
I just want to confirm that this is possible and if anyone within the
NVDA team might have suggestions on how to ensure things work correctly.
Thanks for any assistance you can provide.



Gene nz



Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues

 

Hmmm you know jean I am going to have to disagree with you.

I really concidder coppy and paste announcements to become after a while annoying for me to listen to.

As a compromise, I guess some tone would be fine especially if that could be customised.

Its why I am for some sort of event or theme manager in nvda with sound schemes like audiothemes but we can set up different events such as cut, copy paste, typing if we want, maybe have somethings that instead of speaking we get announcements.

Would be nice if we had haptic keyboards or mice or touchpads on desktops, that may work.

I do sometimes find to many spoken messages to be verbose and grating on my ears.

You may not however.



On 14/01/2020 7:52 am, Gene wrote:
I should add that its been a long time since I used that very old version.  I may be incorrect and you may have to delete the material before scanning new material.  You could probably cut it to the clipboard but if you are going to do that or the copy method, I would suggest that having Clip Speak is important.  You need verification of copy and paste so you can do these things with confidence.  You don't want to check every time you paste to be sure the correct material was pasted.  In short, if you hear that material is copied and then pasted, it will save time in checking the end of every page to make sure it is different from last time.  Just one more reason its long since time to have copy and paste announced as a part of NVDA. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?
 
In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.
 
I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.




NVDA with Windows 10 Pe

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi guys

I have been asked the following question below. I have not used the program but some one else might of.


By the way has any one got a updated link to the images either the link is timing out or broken to them.

he is after the windows 10 version or he might already have it?


Hi Gene,
Happy new year to you,
I thought you would be the best person to question on this one.
I’ve just taken on a new role and one of the things I should be doing is reimaging computers
One of the tools used in this situation is to back up all data from user folders etc with a tool called:
“Macrium”,
This product runs on a Windows 10 PE installation from a flash drive.
I did a quick search on / through Google
And it appears NVDA is able to work from / on Windows PE or at least was able to back in mid 2019.
I just want to confirm that this is possible and if anyone within the NVDA team might have suggestions on how to ensure things work correctly.
Thanks for any assistance you can provide.



Gene nz