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Re: Welcome to the new decade

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I've always thought a new decade started with a year like 2020.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 1:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Welcome to the new decade

 

    I think the reason that so many people think of this year as the start of a new decade is there is no more 19 they hear 20 and think a new set of 10 years has started.  We have started the decade of the 20's so we can say we are now in the 20's and not the teens.  People said the same thing back when y2k happend that the new decade would not start until 2001. This is the first year of the 20's so why not count it as such? 

Brian Sackrider

On 12/31/2019 10:16 PM, Oriana wrote:

Sir,

 

Thank you for your clarifying email. I would like to remind you that the year is only 2020 "anno Domini nostri Jesu Christi" in the Western Christian tradition, and is not based on an actually observable incident. Based on historical data, some have argued that the entire numbering system is as far off as 3 years from the census that supposedly took place right before Christ's birth. Also, the Julian/Gregorian calendar, which transfers from 1 BC (year of Christ's birth) to 1 AD (a baby Christ's first birthday?) without a year zero are not the only calendars to measure 2020 years from that point: several other Eastern and Western calendars count the years from 0, which corresponds to 1 BC in the Julian/Gregorian. Taking such discrepancies into consideration, it makes perfect sense to celebrate the birth of a new decade at year zero.

 

Yours respectfully,

Oriana

 

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 9:56 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:

Hi group,

I will be ready to wish everybody a happy new decade in precisely one year from now.  The actual fact is that the new decade (the 2020's) does not scientifically start until 12:00 AM January 1, 2021.  The simple fact is that there is nor has there ever been a year zero.  Therefore, when you begin numbering years, it is just as if you are counting any object such as dollars, chickens or daffodils.  You don't have ten of them until you actually have ten in hand. 

Arthur C. Clark the author of 2001 A Space Odyssey predicted this in his 1968 novel of the same name, written concurrently with the production of Stanley Kubrick's movie production. 

In that book, Clark projects that people would celebrate the turn of the millennium on January 1, 2000 rather than when it should be celebrated on January 1, 2001.  This prediction came true--exactly as Clark described it.

So it is with this idea of the beginning of a decade.  So long story short: the decade ain't over until it's over on January 1, 2001.
 

On 12/31/2019 7:26 PM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:

Hi everyone,
I would like to wish all of you a great happy New Year. Hope you all had a good time celebrating with your friends or family. May the new decade be an amazing decade for all of you.

Welcome, 2020!

Supanut Leepaisomboon

BBA International Business

Mahidol University International College



-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Re: Welcome to the new decade

brian
 

    I think the reason that so many people think of this year as the start of a new decade is there is no more 19 they hear 20 and think a new set of 10 years has started.  We have started the decade of the 20's so we can say we are now in the 20's and not the teens.  People said the same thing back when y2k happend that the new decade would not start until 2001. This is the first year of the 20's so why not count it as such? 

Brian Sackrider

On 12/31/2019 10:16 PM, Oriana wrote:
Sir,

Thank you for your clarifying email. I would like to remind you that the year is only 2020 "anno Domini nostri Jesu Christi" in the Western Christian tradition, and is not based on an actually observable incident. Based on historical data, some have argued that the entire numbering system is as far off as 3 years from the census that supposedly took place right before Christ's birth. Also, the Julian/Gregorian calendar, which transfers from 1 BC (year of Christ's birth) to 1 AD (a baby Christ's first birthday?) without a year zero are not the only calendars to measure 2020 years from that point: several other Eastern and Western calendars count the years from 0, which corresponds to 1 BC in the Julian/Gregorian. Taking such discrepancies into consideration, it makes perfect sense to celebrate the birth of a new decade at year zero.

Yours respectfully,
Oriana

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 9:56 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
Hi group,

I will be ready to wish everybody a happy new decade in precisely one year from now.  The actual fact is that the new decade (the 2020's) does not scientifically start until 12:00 AM January 1, 2021.  The simple fact is that there is nor has there ever been a year zero.  Therefore, when you begin numbering years, it is just as if you are counting any object such as dollars, chickens or daffodils.  You don't have ten of them until you actually have ten in hand. 

Arthur C. Clark the author of 2001 A Space Odyssey predicted this in his 1968 novel of the same name, written concurrently with the production of Stanley Kubrick's movie production. 

In that book, Clark projects that people would celebrate the turn of the millennium on January 1, 2000 rather than when it should be celebrated on January 1, 2001.  This prediction came true--exactly as Clark described it.

So it is with this idea of the beginning of a decade.  So long story short: the decade ain't over until it's over on January 1, 2001.
 

On 12/31/2019 7:26 PM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
Hi everyone,
I would like to wish all of you a great happy New Year. Hope you all had a good time celebrating with your friends or family. May the new decade be an amazing decade for all of you.
Welcome, 2020!

Supanut Leepaisomboon

BBA International Business

Mahidol University International College


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Re: Vocalizer expressive driver question

 

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 04:00 PM, Chikodinaka mr. Oguledo wrote:
please put them on the Addons.nvda-project.org please do it soon b4 the new nvda is out
Since this is a commercial product, which one must purchase and have a license to use, it's not likely to ever appear on the community add-ons page.

See:  https://vocalizer-nvda.com/
 
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Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 

Re: Vocalizer expressive driver question

Chikodinaka mr. Oguledo
 

I cant downlode the addons I don't hav the nvda20000.3 please put them
on the Addons.nvda-project.org please do it soon b4 the new nvda is
out

On 1/1/20, Chikodinaka mr. Oguledo via Groups.Io
<chikodinaka.2girls=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
please add this vocolizer to www.addons.nvda-project.org please
please. so when it comes out the nvda community will b ready. I cant
downlode the addon. please put all addons 2that list and website
addons.NVDA-project.org today!

On 1/1/20, Greg Wocher <gwocher@...> wrote:
Hello,
I finally got it. Only now it keeps telling me it cannot verify my
credentials.

Greg Wocher

On Jan 1, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...>
wrote:

Thanks!

I understand now what have happened…

I have changed the link gave by Filezilla…

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

De: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> Em Nome De Brian Vogel
Enviada: quarta-feira, 1 de janeiro de 2020 17:17
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Vocalizer expressive driver question

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 10:26 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Very strange!
Rui,

You've probably gotten two messages regarding my having edited
your initial post, but that still wouldn't have explained the
strangeness.
In the original, for some reason, the opening "ht" in your full link
was
not part of the link, and the remainder resolved to this:


ftp://tiflo@.../home/tiflo/html/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon
<ftp://tiflo@.../home/tiflo/html/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon>

which does demand login. The link you intended:


https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon
<https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon>

does precisely what you said and thought it would. Heaven only knows
how
that original bit came to pass, but I thought you would appreciate
knowing
exactly what had occurred.

--
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363
Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and
out of favor.
~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)









Re: Vocalizer expressive driver question

Chikodinaka mr. Oguledo
 

please add this vocolizer to www.addons.nvda-project.org please
please. so when it comes out the nvda community will b ready. I cant
downlode the addon. please put all addons 2that list and website
addons.NVDA-project.org today!

On 1/1/20, Greg Wocher <gwocher@...> wrote:
Hello,
I finally got it. Only now it keeps telling me it cannot verify my
credentials.

Greg Wocher

On Jan 1, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...>
wrote:

Thanks!

I understand now what have happened…

I have changed the link gave by Filezilla…

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

De: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> Em Nome De Brian Vogel
Enviada: quarta-feira, 1 de janeiro de 2020 17:17
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Vocalizer expressive driver question

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 10:26 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Very strange!
Rui,

You've probably gotten two messages regarding my having edited
your initial post, but that still wouldn't have explained the strangeness.
In the original, for some reason, the opening "ht" in your full link was
not part of the link, and the remainder resolved to this:


ftp://tiflo@.../home/tiflo/html/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon
<ftp://tiflo@.../home/tiflo/html/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon>

which does demand login. The link you intended:


https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon
<https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon>

does precisely what you said and thought it would. Heaven only knows how
that original bit came to pass, but I thought you would appreciate knowing
exactly what had occurred.

--
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363
Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and
out of favor.
~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)







Re: Finding text in an email

 

Telling anyone to avoid HTML e-mail at this point in history (and by avoid I don't mean changing how one might choose to view messages) is an exercise in futility, to put it mildly.  It can also result in a major loss of content and actual ease of access from many e-mail messages.

HTML format has been the de facto convention for a very long time now.  Most screen readers seem to do quite well with it, in my observation, and they'd have to since the vast majority of e-mail messages these days involve HTML formatting.

The HTML ship has sailed and the days of the plain-text dinghy are never coming back - at least if one wishes to conform oneself to the wider world as it is.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 

Re: Finding text in an email

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Martin and Jan,

I find that the read all command will work in a message that is in HTML
format. You do have to wait for the cursor to pass beyond the image to start
speaking. This is, of course, an awful nuisance if you are trying to get
through emails as fast as possible!

Anyway, you can easily change your Outlook options to view all emails in
Plain text as follows:
1. select "File" > "Options".
2. Select "Mail" in the left pane.
3. In the "Compose messages" section, change the "Compose messages in this
format:" to "Plain Text".

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 7:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Finding text in an email

My recommendation is to turn off HTML mode.

That not only disables pointless graphics, but also avoids quite a number of
malware and phishing attempts.

I can't tell you how to do this in Outlook 2019 specifically (maybe someone
else here can), but it might give you a good pointer for what to look for in
the menus.

PS: On this topic, *please* can people on this list avoid sending HTML-only
(rather than either text-only or mixed text+HTML) emails? Plenty of people
disable HTML emails by default, and especially on this list, I don't see any
good reason for sending such emails. Thanks in advance :)


Antony.

On Wednesday 01 January 2020 at 20:39:09, Janet Brandly wrote:

Hello all,



Many emails I get contain logos and other types of graphics. I'm using
Outlook 2019. Is there an NVDA key command to bypass the graphics and
navigate directly to the text? The "read all" command does not work
reliably.



Thanks,

Jan


--
If you can't find an Open Source solution for it, then it isn't a real
problem.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC
me.

Re: Vocalizer expressive driver question

Greg Wocher
 

Hello,
I finally got it. Only now it keeps telling me it cannot verify my credentials. 

Greg Wocher

On Jan 1, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

Thanks!
 
I understand now what have happened…
 
I have changed the link gave by Filezilla…
 
Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.
 
De: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Em Nome De Brian Vogel
Enviada: quarta-feira, 1 de janeiro de 2020 17:17
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Vocalizer expressive driver question
 
On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 10:26 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Very strange!
Rui,

        You've probably gotten two messages regarding my having edited your initial post, but that still wouldn't have explained the strangeness.  In the original, for some reason, the opening "ht" in your full link was not part of the link, and the remainder resolved to this:

                    ftp://tiflo@.../home/tiflo/html/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon

which does demand login.  The link you intended:

                    https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon

does precisely what you said and thought it would.  Heaven only knows how that original bit came to pass, but I thought you would appreciate knowing exactly what had occurred.
 
-- 
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  
Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor. 
         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 


Re: Finding text in an email

Antony Stone
 

My recommendation is to turn off HTML mode.

That not only disables pointless graphics, but also avoids quite a number of
malware and phishing attempts.

I can't tell you how to do this in Outlook 2019 specifically (maybe someone
else here can), but it might give you a good pointer for what to look for in
the menus.

PS: On this topic, *please* can people on this list avoid sending HTML-only
(rather than either text-only or mixed text+HTML) emails? Plenty of people
disable HTML emails by default, and especially on this list, I don't see any
good reason for sending such emails. Thanks in advance :)


Antony.

On Wednesday 01 January 2020 at 20:39:09, Janet Brandly wrote:

Hello all,



Many emails I get contain logos and other types of graphics. I'm using
Outlook 2019. Is there an NVDA key command to bypass the graphics and
navigate directly to the text? The "read all" command does not work
reliably.



Thanks,

Jan


--
If you can't find an Open Source solution for it, then it isn't a real problem.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.

Finding text in an email

Janet Brandly
 

Hello all,

 

Many emails I get contain logos and other types of graphics. I’m using Outlook 2019. Is there an NVDA key command to bypass the graphics and navigate directly to the text? The “read all” command does not work reliably.

 

Thanks,

Jan  

Re: Vocalizer expressive driver question

Rui Fontes
 

Thanks!

 

I understand now what have happened…

 

I have changed the link gave by Filezilla…

 

Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.

 

De: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Em Nome De Brian Vogel
Enviada: quarta-feira, 1 de janeiro de 2020 17:17
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Vocalizer expressive driver question

 

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 10:26 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:

Very strange!

Rui,

        You've probably gotten two messages regarding my having edited your initial post, but that still wouldn't have explained the strangeness.  In the original, for some reason, the opening "ht" in your full link was not part of the link, and the remainder resolved to this:

                    ftp://tiflo@.../home/tiflo/html/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon

which does demand login.  The link you intended:

                    https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.0.nvda-addon

does precisely what you said and thought it would.  Heaven only knows how that original bit came to pass, but I thought you would appreciate knowing exactly what had occurred.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 

locked Re: NVDA remote

 

Topic Locked.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 

locked Re: NVDA remote

 

Hello NVDA community,
Like many of you, it pains me to see no short-term solution in sight for NVDA Remote, an add-on that is crucial to many. Let me take a moment to address a few things that has arisen about this add-on and the subsequent discussion:
1. Is Remote add-on supported in NVDA 2019.3: The short answer is "no". For practical purposes, it won't work. The "real" answer is that it'll take a while for add-on source code to be refactored - not only to work with Python 3, but because it patches NVDA in a way that makes it hard to write workarounds. If NVDA 2019.3 only came with Python 3 code, it would have been easier to write a short workaround and publish it to the community (I would have asked permission from add-on authors to release a patch). However, NVDA 2019.3 is more than just a Python 3 release - it includes a host of changes, some of which are backwards incompatible to a point where several add-ons in addition to Remote are affected (mostly dealing with speech related changes). For these reasons, it took add-ons community a while to get add-ons ready for 2019.3 (not only modifying source code, but testing to make sure add-ons are working as advertised in old and new NVDA releases). And given the massive scale of changes in NVDA 2019.3, future updates for many add-ons will not be compatible with older NVDA releases.
2. What did Remote add-on authors say: late last year, one of the developers of NVDA Remote add-on did contact NV Access, requesting help in preparing Remote add-on for NVDA 2019.3. In short, the community effort to raise concerns about the add-on did have an impact. This does not mean our journey is over - the issue has become more urgent, seeing that stable version of NVDA 2019.3 is not far away and Python 2 is dead (yes, dead).
3. Contacting Remote add-on authors: as Robert put it (although forcefully, I think), the best communication channel is contacting authors directly. I know that people will continue to ask about status of Remote add-on, and unless the situation changes, the best advice you can give is directing people to contact authors.
4. Perceived rudeness of Robert's plea: on one hand, Robert did the right thing by asking people to talk to add-on developers. On the other hand, his style was perceived as rude. I think a number of factors may have influenced his tone: frustration with people not taking community advice (although I would say that people did contact authors directly, including myself), tendency for repetitions (happens in forums like this, which is understandable), and to highlight urgency of this matter (again, the issue of Remote add-on is something add-ons community and NV Access are keeping an eye on). However, let me make one thing clear: just because today is New Year's Day should NOT be reason to label someone as "rude" when livelihoods of tens of hundreds of people are at stake without ability to use Remote add-on for various tasks; to me, that's "masking the reality" - creating a celebratory mood just to get away from the issue at hand, and let me tell you: this tactic won't last long. Nor should we forget that people interpret our writing styles differently - people have different notions of "rudeness" and "urgency".

In regards to all this, although I have some reservations about Robert's tone, I'm in agreement with his overall argument. To paraphrase Robert's intended message in a way that might be helpful to some:
At this time, the best way is contacting authors unless the situation changes.

As an add-ons community representative, I'm going to keep an eye on this thread for a while - not because of the arguments made, but to monitor the emotional climate that has resulted from it.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 9:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote

Brian,
Being correct or not, never justifies being rude to each other.
No matter how we try to re phrase it.
TC

On 1/1/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Regardless of how indelicately Mr. Kingett may have been, he is correct.
When there are issues with add-ons it is the add-on developers who
must fix them. And this doesn't apply only to NVDA add-ons, either.
Whoever created or is maintaining a given piece of code is the
person/entity that should be contacted when there are issues with it.

If an add-on has been abandoned, and by all appearances this one has
by its original developers, there should be a procedure whereby it can
either be picked up by others or integrated into NVDA itself.

But until or unless someone else does pick it up, or it's slated to be
integrated into core NVDA functionality, it's the original developers
who are responsible for its maintenance.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in
and out of favor.

~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)



locked Re: NVDA remote

Arlene
 

Hi Mark, Yes, I agree with that poster who said don’t be afraid to ask questions on list.  I myself have said things out of line on here witch I shouldn’t have said.  Whoever was rude might be going through issues of his or her own.  That gives no reason to write rude posts.  I know we all have disagreements on here. If we are going to post them. We all should be careful what we post.  I have to do the same thing.  In any event. Let’s have a happy Janury 1 and the rest of the year helping each other and be cheerful.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Hareth
Sent: January 1, 2020 2:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote

 

Mark,

Please don't let any people's online behavior stops your  posting.

Unfortunately some got it in their heads that they own the whole internet.

and can be as rude as they wish whenever feel like it.

Fortunately we have  PC's and connection as well, and can respond to

rudeness if required.

I feel sorry for them, if they didn't even feel the new year just been started.

Happy new year to all.

 

On 1/1/20, Mark via Groups.Io <marktyler2014@...> wrote:

> Well I will not be asking a question on here again

> Just damb rood

> Mark.

> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

> From: Hareth

> Sent: 01 January 2020 05:45

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote

> Robert!

> If you were trying to shout your voice loud. You've failed big-time.

> Cool off man! Its a brand new year.

> On 12/29/19, Robert Kingett <kingettr@...> wrote:

>> And, again, talk, to, the! Developers! Of! The! Add, on! This list only

>> provided a temporary patch. so, again, talk! To! The! Developers! Of!

>> The!

>> Add! on! As of now, there have been no announcements or anything from the

>> developers regarding Python 3 compatibility . I dunno how to say this any

>> clearer. As of now, no. Assume it will not work. But start emailing, the,

>> developers. The developers! The developers, the developers! It won't work

>> until further notice.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

locked Re: NVDA remote

 

OK, it's time to refer people back to the group rules:
---------------
Respectful, even if slightly heated, disagreements will occur occasionally and will be tolerated provided what is described next does not occur.  Flaming, name calling, instigating arguments for their own sake that do nothing to advance anyone’s knowledge, pointed rudeness, and similar boorish behavior will not be tolerated.  If at any point one of you happens upon a message anywhere in the NVDA Group sphere, main or chat, that fits the preceding description then please report it to the group owner either via e-mail at, nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io, or, if you read via the web interface at https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topics, then use the Report this message option that’s a part of the More button at the end of each message.  Please don’t add a protest message the topic.  If we receive a report and agree with it, the issue will be taken care of promptly.
-----------------

The reason for that being included is that topics that become about someone being rude and circling around that do nothing to advance group goals and, to be perfectly frank, are tiresome.  This is all the more so when someone has become frustrated about the same topic, and NVDA Remote and its possible demise is one of them, keeps coming up again and again and the answer does not really change, and it hasn't in this case.

Every once in a while someone will be rude.  It happens.  Etiquette lectures are not on-topic for this group.

If you think an offense is serious enough to warrant intervention, then please report it.  Reporting it does not necessarily mean that the group owner nor myself will agree, but there will be times we do, and will address the issue, most likely via private message.  If it's run of the mill vituperation, which occurs between adults, then please just let it go or take it up via private message, not on the group.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 

locked Re: NVDA remote

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I agree. There’s no excuse for rudeness whether a person is correct or not.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Hareth
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 9:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote

 

Brian,

Being correct or not, never justifies being rude to each other.

No matter how we try to re phrase it.

TC

 

On 1/1/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

> Regardless of how indelicately Mr. Kingett may have been, he is correct.

> When there are issues with add-ons it is the add-on developers who must fix

> them.  And this doesn't apply only to NVDA add-ons, either.  Whoever created

> or is maintaining a given piece of code is the person/entity that should be

> contacted when there are issues with it.

> If an add-on has been abandoned, and by all appearances this one has by its

> original developers, there should be a procedure whereby it can either be

> picked up by others or integrated into NVDA itself.

> But until or unless someone else does pick it up, or it's slated to be

> integrated into core NVDA functionality, it's the original developers who

> are responsible for its maintenance.

> --

> Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

> Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out

> of favor.

> ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

>

 

 

 

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On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 12:29 PM, Hareth wrote:
Being correct or not, never justifies being rude to each other
It certainly doesn't.  Physician, heal thyself.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 

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Hareth
 

Brian,
Being correct or not, never justifies being rude to each other.
No matter how we try to re phrase it.
TC

On 1/1/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Regardless of how indelicately Mr. Kingett may have been, he is correct.
When there are issues with add-ons it is the add-on developers who must fix
them.  And this doesn't apply only to NVDA add-ons, either.  Whoever created
or is maintaining a given piece of code is the person/entity that should be
contacted when there are issues with it.

If an add-on has been abandoned, and by all appearances this one has by its
original developers, there should be a procedure whereby it can either be
picked up by others or integrated into NVDA itself.

But until or unless someone else does pick it up, or it's slated to be
integrated into core NVDA functionality, it's the original developers who
are responsible for its maintenance.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out
of favor.

~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)



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By the way, the main page for the NVDA Remote Add-on clearly indicates it is open-source, meaning the source code is available for anyone who is capable to pick up and update.  That's the whole idea behind the open-source movement.

Its Source Code page states: "The NVDA Remote Access add-on is fully free and open source. You can download the source code, make modifications to it, and submit pull requests to have your modifications considered for inclusion in the add-on itself. You are also free to fork the add-on for your own use. The source code is available at https://github.com/NVDARemote/NVDARemote"

If push came to shove the project could be forked to a new one using the existing code base.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 

locked Re: NVDA remote

 

Regardless of how indelicately Mr. Kingett may have been, he is correct.  When there are issues with add-ons it is the add-on developers who must fix them.  And this doesn't apply only to NVDA add-ons, either.  Whoever created or is maintaining a given piece of code is the person/entity that should be contacted when there are issues with it.

If an add-on has been abandoned, and by all appearances this one has by its original developers, there should be a procedure whereby it can either be picked up by others or integrated into NVDA itself.

But until or unless someone else does pick it up, or it's slated to be integrated into core NVDA functionality, it's the original developers who are responsible for its maintenance.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)