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Re: ccleaner insites? accessible? discussion maybe?

 

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 05:26 AM, Gene wrote:
Whatever else you are asking for is something related to design or how clear companies should make these offers.  They often aren't shown in an obvious manner to sighted people, or not as clearly as they should be, maybe they are on a page with all sorts of other options.  If a blind person can look at the options, that is accessible.  Blind people are just as responsible for reading things on pages as sighted people are. 
Yep, yep, and yep.

It's also why I recommend, whether one is sighted or blind, using the Unchecky utility.  While Unchecky is not 100% foolproof, it cuts down on the accidental installation of unwanted bundled software, known in "the biz" as potentially unwanted programs (PUPs), to a great extent.

Many sighted people I know ignore "those little checkboxes" at the bottom of various install dialogs that come up and have the nerve to complain afterward that they got unwanted software.  I find bundling loathsome, but it is absolutely not new, and has been the norm for years now.  It is incumbent on the person doing any install, particularly for free software, to examine each and every element on each and every dialog if they want to avoid getting stuff they don't want.  And if you don't, you will get that junk, plain and simple.  We have to deal with the world as it is, and has been, not how we wish it would be.
 
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Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

Jackie
 

Isak, did you ensure that the capslock key was checked to work as a
NVDA modifier?

On 5/28/20, Isak Sand <@IsakSand> wrote:
All,

Thanks so much for your input!
First of all, this is not an NVDA-specific issue. Caps Lock does not work
with Narrator either.

When I configure NVDA so that Caps Lock is not used as an NVDA key, Caps
Lock works just as it is supposed to do: when Caps Lock is pressed once,
NVDA tells that caps Lock is on and all typed letters are capitalized.

I have not yet tested to have another keyboard connected to the machine
itself; I just forced it into Keyboard Help using the Remote Access addon. I
set up a connection between my older Lenovo and that new Lenovo Miix and
pressed Insert+1, just to be able to explore the keyboard properly.



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Re: Accessible scanner drivers

Tony Malykh
 

Thanks, I managed to install the drivers using EasyStart. It is not very accessible, but accessible enough to click through. Curiously enough it tells me that it didn't initialize correctly, but if I keep clicking next>next>next it still installs the drivers correctly. Web interface of the printer seems to be accessible enough, at least at a glance, I will explore it more later. And I'll also try the iPhone app.

Looks like I'll keep this printer for now - since there is an accessible way to use it. Thanks for your help!

--Tony

On 5/27/2020 2:13 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Easystart just installs the drivers.

You should be able to enable other features from the printer website.

On all your systems you should have the printer drivers, on the newer systems my brother does it but not tested with the  phones, holding your phone near the nfc will cause the printer to locate your phone and set itself up.

the app is hp smart in both phone types so who knows.

I have scanned from the web to pdf with drivers installed and the printer will support eprint jet, air, and cloud though you will need sighted help to initiate the completion on the device of the google cloud registration.

The scanner will support twane and the new windows wia protocol.

As long as your program supports the right protocols then it will work.

There maybe extra service apps to install for your printer on the phones to but it should all work seemlessly.



On 28/05/2020 9:05 am, Tony Malykh wrote:
Will hp easystart,  allow me to use fancy features, like scanning directly to Dropbox? I know this printer supports this feature, but now I'm not sure whether I'd be able to use it...

On 5/27/2020 11:49 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm hp smart is not in any shape or form accessible.

You should go through all the sections, you need to install something called hp easystart, this may or may not work even gets you to set your eservice account.

Now if you don't feel comfortable with that, there is probably a version of your driver in the utilities section though easystart will know what that usually is as there can be multiple versions.

Easystart is still got a few access issues but at least you should be able to read the screens.

In general for hp devices you will need the basic drivers package, and the full driver utility package, and if it comes with ocr software packages depending what that is I'd get that to.

After you get into the websetup on the networked printer, you can do that by finding your unit in network rightclicking with appkey, and selecting view webpage, you can go to tools or settings and maybe admin, and click firmware update or click status and firmware update or search for firmware update,

hitting that and the update button will cause hp to dial home and update, setting this to automatic will usually get updates, though every so often I like to double check to make sure its done as sometimes it will ask you to confirm that the update is installed and ready.



On 28/05/2020 3:52 am, Tony Malykh wrote:
After reading all the replies, I decided to try HP - I bought printer+scanner HP 8035 - one of the top models on Amazon. They offer to install this tool called HP Smart to configure your device. Unfortunately this tool seems to be not accessible - I tried with NVDA and Jaws. Most buttons are not marked, most list elements cannot be read by either screenreader. It seems like the state of accessibility hasn't changed much since 5 years ago. Now I'd have to ask someone sighted to configure it. Maybe in the end I should've tried Canon - more people have recommended it, but in the last moment I changed my mind and switched to HP because customer ratings for Canon products were low on Amazon....


On 5/21/2020 7:38 AM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hello all,
I am looking to buy a new scanner as my old one just died. However I've heard that scanner drivers from many manufacturers tend to be not very accessible. Can anyone recommend me which scanner (or scanner+printer) comes with accessible driver/accompanying software?
Thanks!
Tony


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Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

 

All,

Thanks so much for your input!
First of all, this is not an NVDA-specific issue. Caps Lock does not work with Narrator either.

When I configure NVDA so that Caps Lock is not used as an NVDA key, Caps Lock works just as it is supposed to do: when Caps Lock is pressed once, NVDA tells that caps Lock is on and all typed letters are capitalized.

I have not yet tested to have another keyboard connected to the machine itself; I just forced it into Keyboard Help using the Remote Access addon. I set up a connection between my older Lenovo and that new Lenovo Miix and pressed Insert+1, just to be able to explore the keyboard properly.

Re: Tony's addons - updates

Tony Malykh
 

Thanks for feedback, I'll think about implementing better UI where you'd be able to configure browserMark etnries separately.

As for your example with negative look ahead, please keep in mind that BrowserNav matches each paragraph in the document separately - as opposed to the whole document at a time.

On 5/27/2020 10:51 PM, William Wong wrote:
Regarding browser mark, I found one problem with regular expression.

abc(?!.*abc)

The above rule using regular expression to match the last "abc"

However putting the rule into the setting, the addon matches all abc, but not the last abc.




Re: Tony's addons - updates

Tony Malykh
 

We need to talk to NVDA translation community about that - surely I don't mind it being added to the translation system, but what I've heard - correct if the situation has changed since then - is that no new add-ons are allowed in the translation system at this time.

On 5/27/2020 7:48 PM, 蔡宗豪 Victor Cai wrote:
Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> 於 2020年5月27日 週三 下午10:27寫道:

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by not ready to be translated. All the strings are processed with _() function.

It seems that tonysEnhancements is not listed in the translation system (file: settings).

Is it possible to provide a link for translators to get the po / pot file?
Here is an example: addon, markdown forever
https://andreabc.net/projects/NVDA_addons/markdownForever/l10n

I hope that this is a temporary case. Addon tonysEnhancements could be listed in the translation system soon.

Regards,
Victor


Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

Gene
 

First, does the caps lock key actually perform its function when it isn't set as an NVDA key?  If you press it once and type, are letters all capitalized?  So far, we haven't established if the keys do what they are supposed to do or if they do nothing.  If they do nothing, then that sounds like some sort of defect in the computer.  I doubt the BIOS would have any such setting such as, disable caps lock and insert keys.  Perhaps exchanging the computer for another or perhaps another different brand and/or model would be the thing to do.  It would be very interesting to know, however, if the caps lock key does what it is supposed to do when you don't have it set as an NVDA key.  I hadn't thought about the question of whether the keys work at all when I wrote my last message. 

Another option might be to use a USB external numpad with the computer.  If you want to keep that specific machine and not go through the inconvenience of returning it for another one, that may solve the problem.  I use the caps lock for certain NVDA functions and I wouldn't be satisfied with using an external numpad.  If you would be, you may want to do that.  But it would be important to get recommendations from list members because some external Numpads don't work with NVDA.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

Sounds like you need to get into the bios then. Under settings/advanced there are options to handle the keyboard. Of course, that means sighted help.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Isak Sand" <isak.sand@...>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 03:57:30 -0700
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

> Hello,
>
> Thanks for your suggestions!
> Unfortunately, FN + Escape does not work on this machine.
> And I can neither accomplish NVDA commands by pressing FN + NVDA.
>
> I installed a application  called SharpKeys which is designed to re-map keys to other ones. I tried to re-map Caps Lock to be NumPad 0, but it did not help either.
>
> I guess it would be possible to re-map caps lock to some key that would be recognized while pressing multiple keys together with it, but then I would have to change every NVDA command accordingly and that would be a huge amount of work.
>
>
>
>
>


Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

Gene
 

Since you said you can use the NVDA key with another keyboard, it sounds as though that specific keyboard may somehow be sending codes to the computer that NVDA can't work with.  Someone with technical knowledge on the subject may be able to say whether I am right but that's my guess.  I doubt that remapping would do any good since I would think it would just tell another key to do exactly what the keys already do that is causing the problem.  You are telling another key to perform the same function that another key is performing now, not changing the code or the way the code is sent to the computer. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Isak Sand
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

Hello,

Thanks for your suggestions!
Unfortunately, FN + Escape does not work on this machine.
And I can neither accomplish NVDA commands by pressing FN + NVDA.

I installed a application  called SharpKeys which is designed to re-map keys to other ones. I tried to re-map Caps Lock to be NumPad 0, but it did not help either.

I guess it would be possible to re-map caps lock to some key that would be recognized while pressing multiple keys together with it, but then I would have to change every NVDA command accordingly and that would be a huge amount of work.

Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

There is something wrong. Your model has a capsLock key and should work with NVDA. Please start Narrator and press CapsLock-1 to enter lerning mode. If that works your capsLock key behaves normal. In this mode you can also find your other insert key.

Next step would be to find out why Narrator works with your capsLock key as a modifier and NVDA not.

Let us know the outcome.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Isak Sand
Sent: Donnerstag, 28. Mai 2020 12:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

 

Hello,

Thanks for your suggestions!
Unfortunately, FN + Escape does not work on this machine.
And I can neither accomplish NVDA commands by pressing FN + NVDA.

I installed a application  called SharpKeys which is designed to re-map keys to other ones. I tried to re-map Caps Lock to be NumPad 0, but it did not help either.

I guess it would be possible to re-map caps lock to some key that would be recognized while pressing multiple keys together with it, but then I would have to change every NVDA command accordingly and that would be a huge amount of work.

Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

Rob Hudson
 

Sounds like you need to get into the bios then. Under settings/advanced there are options to handle the keyboard. Of course, that means sighted help.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Isak Sand" <@IsakSand>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 03:57:30 -0700
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

Hello,

Thanks for your suggestions!
Unfortunately, FN + Escape does not work on this machine.
And I can neither accomplish NVDA commands by pressing FN + NVDA.

I installed a application called SharpKeys which is designed to re-map keys to other ones. I tried to re-map Caps Lock to be NumPad 0, but it did not help either.

I guess it would be possible to re-map caps lock to some key that would be recognized while pressing multiple keys together with it, but then I would have to change every NVDA command accordingly and that would be a huge amount of work.




Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

 

Unfortunately, it does not work.

Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

Chris
 

I think you have answered your own question

Use the FN key with the NVDA key and see what happens

 

 

Ie NVDA+FN+B

 

 

 

From: Isak Sand
Sent: 28 May 2020 09:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

 

Hello all,

I just bought a Lenovo Miix 630 laptop: a little, neat thing to travel with.
My problem is that the NVDA modifier keys do not work. The computer seems to have both Caps Lock and Insert available, because when I finally was able to access the keyboard help using the Miix computer remotely from another computer, it says "NVDA" when I press Caps Lock or Insert, and also Caps Lock comes on when I press it twice, so it seems that everything should work. But still, if I press, say Caps Lock + B, it acts like I would have pressed only the letter B.

This is not only an NVDA issue; exactly the same thing happens with Narrator. I cannot use any narrator commands that involve the Caps Lock key.
Another pain is that I haven't been able to reverse the function keys, so I have to press. for example, Alt+FN+F4 to get out from an application.
I do not know whether these two problems are somehow related.

Especially the fact that I don't have a NVDA modifier key makes the thing almost unusable.
Has anyone seen something like this and maybe been able to solve the problem?

 

Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

 

Hello,

Thanks for your suggestions!
Unfortunately, FN + Escape does not work on this machine.
And I can neither accomplish NVDA commands by pressing FN + NVDA.

I installed a application  called SharpKeys which is designed to re-map keys to other ones. I tried to re-map Caps Lock to be NumPad 0, but it did not help either.

I guess it would be possible to re-map caps lock to some key that would be recognized while pressing multiple keys together with it, but then I would have to change every NVDA command accordingly and that would be a huge amount of work.

Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

Gene
 

As to whether the two problems are related, I would think so.  Press and hold the fn key and then press the NVDA key to see if it works.  If it does, you will know the problem is the FN key.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 4:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

hello.
did you check caps lock in the nvda preferences keyboard settings to
be used as nvda modifeer key?
its unchecked by default and you should activate it manually if you need.

On 5/28/20, Isak Sand <isak.sand@...> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I just bought a Lenovo Miix 630 laptop: a little, neat thing to travel
> with.
> My problem is that the NVDA modifier keys do not work. The computer seems to
> have both Caps Lock and Insert available, because when I finally was able to
> access the keyboard help using the Miix computer remotely from another
> computer, it says "NVDA" when I press Caps Lock or Insert, and also Caps
> Lock comes on when I press it twice, so it seems that everything should
> work. But still, if I press, say Caps Lock + B, it acts like I would have
> pressed only the letter B.
>
> This is not only an NVDA issue; exactly the same thing happens with
> Narrator. I cannot use any narrator commands that involve the Caps Lock
> key.
> Another pain is that I haven't been able to reverse the function keys, so I
> have to press. for example, Alt+FN+F4 to get out from an application.
> I do not know whether these two problems are somehow related.
>
> Especially the fact that I don't have a NVDA modifier key makes the thing
> almost unusable.
> Has anyone seen something like this and maybe been able to solve the
> problem?
>
>
>
>


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Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

Rob Hudson
 

For the function key issue, try to hitt fn+escape. This turns on the normal function key behavior.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Isak Sand" <@IsakSand>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 01:47:58 -0700
Subject: [nvda] NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

Hello all,

I just bought a Lenovo Miix 630 laptop: a little, neat thing to travel with.
My problem is that the NVDA modifier keys do not work. The computer seems to have both Caps Lock and Insert available, because when I finally was able to access the keyboard help using the Miix computer remotely from another computer, it says "NVDA" when I press Caps Lock or Insert, and also Caps Lock comes on when I press it twice, so it seems that everything should work. But still, if I press, say Caps Lock + B, it acts like I would have pressed only the letter B.

This is not only an NVDA issue; exactly the same thing happens with Narrator. I cannot use any narrator commands that involve the Caps Lock key.
Another pain is that I haven't been able to reverse the function keys, so I have to press. for example, Alt+FN+F4 to get out from an application.
I do not know whether these two problems are somehow related.

Especially the fact that I don't have a NVDA modifier key makes the thing almost unusable.
Has anyone seen something like this and maybe been able to solve the problem?




Re: ccleaner insites? accessible? discussion maybe?

Gene
 

If the CDEX installer were properly accesssible, you could see and refuse the added software.  I looked at the installer using System Access to Go and the offer was accessible.  it wasn't even indicated in any way with other screen-readers, that anything was there when it was being discussed and a way to reject it was displayed. 
 
You can use CDEX portable, which installs nothing and has no such offers.  Listss can't help with problems if people assume asking won't help and don't ask.  I hope you already owned Goldwave and didn't spend forty dollars unnecessarily.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner insites? accessible? discussion maybe?

Hmmm to be honest, I have half a mind as I said to tell them that we don't want any extra software installed!!!

If they need adds, put them in a readable webpage at the end if they need sponsorship, heck, nagg us about buying on a after install webpage if they must, but we shouldn't have to bother about bundled software.

Its why I use goldwave a 40 dollar us program instead of cdex because cdex has addon software, and why I quit using the dvdvideosoftware package and got pontes media which doesn't do this stuff and brought the applian suite wasting 200 us bucks and of which I hhardly used because dvdvideosoftware had so much spyware in it and other unwanted stuff that by installing it one day I basically bricked my laptop, and even after removing the software in question had to reformat because it left a mess behind.

I think its time we tell the software makers that while we like and may buy their stuff, having adds shoved down our throats will drive us away or at least will make us gnash our teeth behind their backs.

I shouldn't have to worry about what is being loaded to use my systware.

I have had to give up good software because of foisted bundled stuff.

Excluding software which installs chrome for me because that at least is usefull I have had to go to a lot of trouble to get stuff that does not try to give me a really bad and public deal.

Its just the way I feel.

I have noticed that the user seems to be happy to have second place and put up withh things but this is the new world now, the virus has got rid of the old one and in this world I think its time for users to fight for the choice of what we want to run and what we want to install.

CCleaner has a slim installer but even so.



On 28/05/2020 2:28 pm, Gene wrote:
I don't use the product but I think that one of the most important things is that notification of which additional software will be installed and the refusal option be accessible.  A lot of the time, installers don't show such information in an accessible way and you don't know what is being offered and you can't refuse it.  I suspect CCleaner has this problem and I think it is the most important problem.  The user shouldn't have software installed he/she can't refuse and isn't aware will be installed.  Not being able to use a program is very serious, having something installed that may be difficult to remove and interferes with your use of the computer aside from that program is worse.
 
Gene 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 4:08 PM
Subject: [nvda] ccleaner insites? accessible? discussion maybe?

Hi all.

A while ago several months in fact as a user of ccleaner I recieved via
their news letter a servey to tell piriform about their product and how
good it was.

Of course I naturally opend up a can on how bad it was, etc and all that.

Today I got a message saying there is a panel going up, and asked me to
join in one of the questions there was a question about screen readers.

I don't know what this means, but this could be a step in the right
direction.

So my first thing to do is work on their accessibility issues.

The first one is the control panel with all the checkboxes.

My second are the settings in particular the button that switches on and
off smartclean, I had to use narator to check that button else nvda
would jump past it.

Third is healthcheck itself, I am going to ask them to either make it
accessible or have it turned off by default for screenreader users
because we don't really need it anyway.

Then there are add banners and messages which themselves are not
accessible as they currently are.

Finally, there is the startup of smart clean and other things on
installd  versions which we don't use or need and which can be a bother
to turn off.

Then finally last but not least, its the bundled software that is
installed, I know they need advertising for their free versions, and if
they really want sponsored listings and such they can open a page on
their site with all the extras, sponsered software, etc if they must but
not bundle it in.

Avast aint that good, its not accessible and all the extras do is screw
up our systems.

I'd also like to add portable mode to installers.

This is most of what I'd want.

The most important are the controlpanel, buttons in settings and the
health check for the first bash.

Hell if they just got the control panel right and maybe the buttons in
settings it should be a blooming good start.

The panel indicated direct feadback live was another possibility so I
would really like this.

If others get this mail I'd encourage joining the panel.

It seems that piriform or ccleaner or avast or whatever they are called
are trying to do the right thing here.

Its an awesome step in the right direction.

Now on top of the windows update being so good, keeping 99.9% of all my
settings in tact and all, I am a really happy user.




Re: ccleaner insites? accessible? discussion maybe?

Gene
 

That isn't an accessibility question.  If something is offered during installation that a sighted person can see by the installer, it must be accessible to a screen-reader.  If something is accessible on a web site, where an offer may be posted with some way to refuse, such as a check box, from an accessibility standpoint, that is adequate.  If the installer shows something and that thing is accessible, again, that is enough from an accessibility standpoint. 
 
Whatever else you are asking for is something related to design or how clear companies should make these offers.  They often aren't shown in an obvious manner to sighted people, or not as clearly as they should be, maybe they are on a page with all sorts of other options.  If a blind person can look at the options, that is accessible.  Blind people are just as responsible for reading things on pages as sighted people are.  You can't use accessibility arguments to argue that a company change its ethics or design if its just a question of a blind person doing what anyone should do, read everything or enough of everything that you don't miss something, such as the beginning of every line on installation pages other than obvious navigation links.
Gene

Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner insites? accessible? discussion maybe?

Hmmm to be honest, I have half a mind as I said to tell them that we don't want any extra software installed!!!

If they need adds, put them in a readable webpage at the end if they need sponsorship, heck, nagg us about buying on a after install webpage if they must, but we shouldn't have to bother about bundled software.

Its why I use goldwave a 40 dollar us program instead of cdex because cdex has addon software, and why I quit using the dvdvideosoftware package and got pontes media which doesn't do this stuff and brought the applian suite wasting 200 us bucks and of which I hhardly used because dvdvideosoftware had so much spyware in it and other unwanted stuff that by installing it one day I basically bricked my laptop, and even after removing the software in question had to reformat because it left a mess behind.

I think its time we tell the software makers that while we like and may buy their stuff, having adds shoved down our throats will drive us away or at least will make us gnash our teeth behind their backs.

I shouldn't have to worry about what is being loaded to use my systware.

I have had to give up good software because of foisted bundled stuff.

Excluding software which installs chrome for me because that at least is usefull I have had to go to a lot of trouble to get stuff that does not try to give me a really bad and public deal.

Its just the way I feel.

I have noticed that the user seems to be happy to have second place and put up withh things but this is the new world now, the virus has got rid of the old one and in this world I think its time for users to fight for the choice of what we want to run and what we want to install.

CCleaner has a slim installer but even so.



On 28/05/2020 2:28 pm, Gene wrote:
I don't use the product but I think that one of the most important things is that notification of which additional software will be installed and the refusal option be accessible.  A lot of the time, installers don't show such information in an accessible way and you don't know what is being offered and you can't refuse it.  I suspect CCleaner has this problem and I think it is the most important problem.  The user shouldn't have software installed he/she can't refuse and isn't aware will be installed.  Not being able to use a program is very serious, having something installed that may be difficult to remove and interferes with your use of the computer aside from that program is worse.
 
Gene 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 4:08 PM
Subject: [nvda] ccleaner insites? accessible? discussion maybe?

Hi all.

A while ago several months in fact as a user of ccleaner I recieved via
their news letter a servey to tell piriform about their product and how
good it was.

Of course I naturally opend up a can on how bad it was, etc and all that.

Today I got a message saying there is a panel going up, and asked me to
join in one of the questions there was a question about screen readers.

I don't know what this means, but this could be a step in the right
direction.

So my first thing to do is work on their accessibility issues.

The first one is the control panel with all the checkboxes.

My second are the settings in particular the button that switches on and
off smartclean, I had to use narator to check that button else nvda
would jump past it.

Third is healthcheck itself, I am going to ask them to either make it
accessible or have it turned off by default for screenreader users
because we don't really need it anyway.

Then there are add banners and messages which themselves are not
accessible as they currently are.

Finally, there is the startup of smart clean and other things on
installd  versions which we don't use or need and which can be a bother
to turn off.

Then finally last but not least, its the bundled software that is
installed, I know they need advertising for their free versions, and if
they really want sponsored listings and such they can open a page on
their site with all the extras, sponsered software, etc if they must but
not bundle it in.

Avast aint that good, its not accessible and all the extras do is screw
up our systems.

I'd also like to add portable mode to installers.

This is most of what I'd want.

The most important are the controlpanel, buttons in settings and the
health check for the first bash.

Hell if they just got the control panel right and maybe the buttons in
settings it should be a blooming good start.

The panel indicated direct feadback live was another possibility so I
would really like this.

If others get this mail I'd encourage joining the panel.

It seems that piriform or ccleaner or avast or whatever they are called
are trying to do the right thing here.

Its an awesome step in the right direction.

Now on top of the windows update being so good, keeping 99.9% of all my
settings in tact and all, I am a really happy user.




Re: speech history

Margus Ojaots
 

when i tried to use speech history in new nvda, it didnt work, and i
installed the older nvda.

2020-05-28 11:01 GMT +03:00, Luke Davis <luke@...>:

The usual one works just fine, use that.

On Thu, 28 May 2020, Margus Ojaots wrote:

Hi. i am planning to update to the newest nvda version. is there a
speech history addon for it? i want to know because i use it often.


Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

 

Hello,

Yes, I did. All three options (Caps Lock, NumPad Insert and Insert) are selected. And, as I wrote, two hits on the Caps Lock key are required for Caps Lock to be enabled. To me it seems that the system somehow ignores Caps Lock if it is pressed together with another key or other keys.

Re: NVDA on a Lenovo Miix 630 - no modifier key at all

 

hello.
did you check caps lock in the nvda preferences keyboard settings to
be used as nvda modifeer key?
its unchecked by default and you should activate it manually if you need.

On 5/28/20, Isak Sand <@IsakSand> wrote:
Hello all,

I just bought a Lenovo Miix 630 laptop: a little, neat thing to travel
with.
My problem is that the NVDA modifier keys do not work. The computer seems to
have both Caps Lock and Insert available, because when I finally was able to
access the keyboard help using the Miix computer remotely from another
computer, it says "NVDA" when I press Caps Lock or Insert, and also Caps
Lock comes on when I press it twice, so it seems that everything should
work. But still, if I press, say Caps Lock + B, it acts like I would have
pressed only the letter B.

This is not only an NVDA issue; exactly the same thing happens with
Narrator. I cannot use any narrator commands that involve the Caps Lock
key.
Another pain is that I haven't been able to reverse the function keys, so I
have to press. for example, Alt+FN+F4 to get out from an application.
I do not know whether these two problems are somehow related.

Especially the fact that I don't have a NVDA modifier key makes the thing
almost unusable.
Has anyone seen something like this and maybe been able to solve the
problem?



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