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Re: Audio ducking not supported?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Jackie,

I think you were nearer the mark with that Communications setting.

If you set it to Do Nothing, and turn off all enhancements in sound settings, it should work.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: 16 September 2021 03:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Audio ducking not supported?

Hey Andre, just for the halibut, have you tried a portable install? & have you gone into control panel per my previous post to enable audio ducking there?

On 9/15/21, Richard Wells <richwels@gmx.com> wrote:
When I open settings/speech/change synthesizer, I find audio ducking
right there as always.

On 9/15/2021 7:26 PM, Andre Fisher wrote:
Hi.

I don't even have the setting available from anywhere. So, I can't
turn it on or off. Narrator's ducking is working well, too. So, I
just can't understand what could be the problem.





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Re: NVDA 2021.2 is now available

Steve Nutt
 

No, this doesn’t work where a link expands an existing page.

 

For that, you would press NVDA+Enter to expand it.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 15 September 2021 20:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 is now available

 

That won’t work on all web pages. Some have in page links which will not open in separate windows, or at least it does not appear to work for me.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Clark
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 10:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 is now available

 

Gene, I didn't know that. Thanks for letting me know.

Dennis

 

On 9/15/2021 10:17 AM, Gene wrote:

If you have that problem again, you can eliminate it by not just pressing enter on a link.  If you use shift engter, the page will open in a new window.  When you want to return to the previous page, using alt f4 closes the window and returns you to it.  You will be where you were because you never left the page and you never moved from your place.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 11:51 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 is now available

 

Thanks Rui.

I'll give it a shot, though I think I know what may be wrong, so I will
try to fix the problem with my computer then try 2021.2 again. I did
notice that 2021.2 did fix what I viewed as a problem.

After doing a Google search then clicking on and item in the search
results, then alt left-arrowing back to the search results, I was placed
back at the top of the search list instead of the link I originally
clicked on. I'm confident that in earlier versions of NVDA this was not
the case, and this morning I did see that this now works again, which is
a major convenience.

Thanks for your help.

Dennis


On 9/15/2021 5:15 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
> N
>
> o, you can use the NVDA 2021.1 installer.
>
> After installation configure it to do not verify updates automatically...
>
>
> Rui Fontes
>
>
> Às 12:54 de 15/09/2021, Dennis Clark escreveu:
>> Hello Rui,
>>
>> Unfortunately I have a very long day ahead of me with 2 important
>> calls scheduled concerning 2 websites hosted on different cloud
>> servers. We're trying to sort out a couple of issues with BuddyBoss
>> and LearnDash, and my computer can no longer even read the names of
>> files I am creating or renaming. As such the most efficient solution
>> for me will be to reinstall 2021.1 which was working pretty well for
>> me. My concern even if I can find 2021.1 is that when I try to
>> install it, that it will first check and discover a newer version
>> 2021.2 is available and will install 2021.2 instead of 2021.1.
>>
>>
>> I now have 1 hour and 10 minutes before my first scheduled call and
>> my computer for all practical purposes is down.
>>
>> Thanks for your interest.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/15/2021 4:34 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>>
>>> First of all, can we know what is not working for you?
>>>
>>>
>>> Rui Fontes
>>>
>>>
>>> Às 12:13 de 15/09/2021, Dennis Clark escreveu:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Last evening I saw that NVDA had notified me that an update was
>>>> available and asked if I wanted to install it. I responded yes. Now
>>>> some critical features in windows 10 do not work. I need to quickly
>>>> move back to 2021.1. How can I accomplish this?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/15/2021 3:47 AM, zahra wrote:
>>>>> hi quentin.
>>>>> i appreciate your great work
>>>>> and wish to be in contact with you again!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/15/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>>>>>> Thank you David!  We do appreciate your kind words, and indeed we do
>>>>>> certainly strive to deliver a product which is sturdy, robust, and
>>>>>> continually improving. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quentin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 1:43 PM David Goldfield
>>>>>> <david.goldfield@...>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to congratulate NV Access for releasing this update
>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>> only one beta and one RC build. Of course, more betas and more
>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>> candidates are absolutely fine and having them only means that
>>>>>>> more bugs
>>>>>>> were addressed prior to the official public release. Still, the
>>>>>>> fact that
>>>>>>> we only needed one of each is a testimony to the product’s overall
>>>>>>> stability and for its robust code. The good folks at NV Access
>>>>>>> deserve a
>>>>>>> celebration and I commend them for their great work and service
>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David Goldfield,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JAWS Certified, 2019
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails
>>>>>>> regarding
>>>>>>> news and events in the blindness assistive technology field.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> www.DavidGoldfield.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> *Quentin
>>>>>>> Christensen
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 13, 2021 10:38 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>>> *Subject:* [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 is now available
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NV Access is pleased to announce that NVDA 2021.2 is now
>>>>>>> available for
>>>>>>> download. Featuring preliminary Windows 11 support, Updates to
>>>>>>> the COM
>>>>>>> Registration fixing tool eSpeak-NG, LibLouis, Braille & more! We
>>>>>>> encourage
>>>>>>> all users to upgrade to this version.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-2/
>>>>>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nvaccess.org%2Fpost%2Fnvda-2021-2%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3397c80e389f47ae3d1308d97728b7d9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637671839028647479%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=U23NnTWSlRKuuKrgKP%2FBoxx1Saej%2B9rg3jnpEzauO1E%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quentin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quentin Christensen
>>>>>>> Training and Support Manager
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Web: www.nvaccess.org
>>>>>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nvaccess.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3397c80e389f47ae3d1308d97728b7d9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637671839028657435%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=owDlxGTftX%2BqT2sOoOeYzOQil3f5So9aFObEkCimUsk%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nvaccess.org%2Fshop%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3397c80e389f47ae3d1308d97728b7d9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637671839028657435%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=QUbwhZX48qi2B6zXjcWf3EXmZjtCMZAvhom%2BhP1XfQw%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
>>>>>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcertification.nvaccess.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3397c80e389f47ae3d1308d97728b7d9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637671839028667393%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=SH96M7UUkBdE71yGlp5tYzH14J%2Fl0wicXmbuXaoQGyo%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
>>>>>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnvda.groups.io%2Fg%2Fnvda&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3397c80e389f47ae3d1308d97728b7d9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637671839028667393%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=J2sauBbVO2U5STX2Qr%2Fi95yXWYQ0f2%2FVZWR8YzPn1zc%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>>>>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FNVAccess&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3397c80e389f47ae3d1308d97728b7d9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637671839028677348%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=XksFv94ZZ39EjKX8%2BMrkC8zo0hf8QYAK29CXRT4ZZgA%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>>>>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FNVAccess&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3397c80e389f47ae3d1308d97728b7d9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637671839028677348%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=jw7Eg4120qmIUgW54ZVx9Z6by7ZPWmNkfRM6rrTapcw%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Quentin Christensen
>>>>>> Training and Support Manager
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Web: www.nvaccess.org
>>>>>> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>>> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
>>>>>> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
>>>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>>>>> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: point to consider with NVDA2021.2 and eSpeak

Laz
 

As we all know, audio of any type comes down to a personal preference.
After using Eloquence for over a decade I reached the point that I
couldn't stand it. ESpeak has so many variants one can choose from,
that there's bound to be one that makes listening to it more palatable
for ones ears. One also has the capability to create ones own variant
to ones liking, which many have done. So yes, I choose ESpeak over
Eloquence every time. Right now however, I use the Windows OneCore
voices.

Stay safe,

Laz

On 9/21/21, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
It doesn’t sound anything like Eloquence to be honest.



It is more responsive with NVDA than any flavour of Eloquence, but nowhere
near as easy to listen to.



All the best


Steve



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: 15 September 2021 17:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] point to consider with NVDA2021.2 and eSpeak



Interesting. I like a slightly lower pitch value. That does get things a
little closer to sounding like Eloquence though. (grin)







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: September 15, 2021 11:57 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] point to consider with NVDA2021.2 and eSpeak



Well I did some experimenting with NVDA 2021.2 since its Espeak has been
updated. I found if I set the voice to English American, the variant to
Edward, raise the pitch to around 70, lower the inflection from 75, default,
down to 30 or 40, Espeak for me is much more pleasant to listen to. And it
is much more understandable at least for me.



Josh





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Re: regarding adding my voice as an variant of nvda

 

On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 09:15 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
You didn’t look too hard in this instance.
-
I'll freely admit I didn't:

1.  Because it's not NVDA related in any meaningful sense.

2.  I cannot think of anything more annoying, to myself (others will differ), than listening to my own voice come out of a synth.  I don't even like hearing myself on recordings.  The idea of "me talking to me" from a screen reader - No, thanks.

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Re: regarding adding my voice as an variant of nvda

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

 

You didn’t look too hard in this instance. 😊

 

https://mov.acapela-group.com/

 

Apparently, you can produce your own voice with the Acapela synth, then get it as a SAPI voice, so it would be quite possible to have your own voice with NVDA.

 

I don’t know costs or anything, but it is certainly possible.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 15 September 2021 17:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] regarding adding my voice as an variant of nvda

 

Udit,

Not that I am aware of.   Are you trying to get NVDA to pronounce your name correctly?   If so, it would probably be easier to do that by playing with the default dictionary, or, if you use various voices that "screw up" your name differently, the respective voice dictionaries, to get a substitution string used that actually gets pronounced correctly.

I'm doing a SWAG here, but you could have it say Udit as something like You dit or You deet or Ooh dit or Ooh deet.  I've had to play with all sorts of tricks to get various synths to pronounce names correctly.
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Re: point to consider with NVDA2021.2 and eSpeak

Steve Nutt
 

It doesn’t sound anything like Eloquence to be honest.

 

It is more responsive with NVDA than any flavour of Eloquence, but nowhere near as easy to listen to.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: 15 September 2021 17:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] point to consider with NVDA2021.2 and eSpeak

 

Interesting. I like a slightly lower pitch value. That does get things a little closer to sounding like Eloquence though. (grin)

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: September 15, 2021 11:57 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] point to consider with NVDA2021.2 and eSpeak

 

Well I did some experimenting with NVDA 2021.2 since its Espeak has been updated. I found if I set the voice to English American, the variant to Edward, raise the pitch to around 70, lower the inflection from 75, default, down to 30 or 40, Espeak for me is much more pleasant to listen to. And it is much more understandable at least for me.

 

Josh

 

 

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Re: settings for Adobe

Gene
 

What browser are you using?  Many people use browsers to read PDF files. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] settings for Adobe
 
Good Aftaernoon:  Is Adobe the best program for reading PDF files?  If
not, what are others using to read a PDF with, instead of Adobe dc reader?

Dave G


On 9/16/2021 4:47 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
> Edit menu, Accessibility preferences, or something like that.
>
>
> Rui Fontes
>
>
> Às 23:33 de 16/09/2021, Dave Grossoehme escreveu:
>> Hi How does a person go into the settings for adobe to make sure it
>> is set to read the whole page or read right to left in Adobe with
>> NVDA.  This is when the application of Adobe Reader D. C. is already
>> installed in a Windows 10 computer.  I can find the help where it
>> tells me what to do. However, can't find it when trying to check this
>> and a file is opened you don't get this.  Has something changed for
>> NVDA 2021.2 or is this a bug in NVDA? Please help.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: settings for Adobe

Gene
 

This message doesn’t seem to have reached the list.  I’m sending it again.
 
What browser are you using?  Many people use browsers to read PDF files. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] settings for Adobe
 
Good Aftaernoon:  Is Adobe the best program for reading PDF files?  If
not, what are others using to read a PDF with, instead of Adobe dc reader?

Dave G


On 9/16/2021 4:47 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
> Edit menu, Accessibility preferences, or something like that.
>
>
> Rui Fontes
>
>
> Às 23:33 de 16/09/2021, Dave Grossoehme escreveu:
>> Hi How does a person go into the settings for adobe to make sure it
>> is set to read the whole page or read right to left in Adobe with
>> NVDA.  This is when the application of Adobe Reader D. C. is already
>> installed in a Windows 10 computer.  I can find the help where it
>> tells me what to do. However, can't find it when trying to check this
>> and a file is opened you don't get this.  Has something changed for
>> NVDA 2021.2 or is this a bug in NVDA? Please help.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: Cannot write much of anything on Facebook without bringing up the feature to tag individuals

 

I also use m.facebook.com, since it worked the best for me. If I need to do anything fancy with my post, I'll just do it from the iOS app.


Re: settings for Adobe

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Aftaernoon:  Is Adobe the best program for reading PDF files?  If not, what are others using to read a PDF with, instead of Adobe dc reader?

Dave G

On 9/16/2021 4:47 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Edit menu, Accessibility preferences, or something like that.


Rui Fontes


Às 23:33 de 16/09/2021, Dave Grossoehme escreveu:
Hi How does a person go into the settings for adobe to make sure it is set to read the whole page or read right to left in Adobe with NVDA.  This is when the application of Adobe Reader D. C. is already installed in a Windows 10 computer.  I can find the help where it tells me what to do. However, can't find it when trying to check this and a file is opened you don't get this.  Has something changed for NVDA 2021.2 or is this a bug in NVDA? Please help.

Dave









Re: How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

Gene
 

I can’t comment on the desktop sounds.  It also isn’t clear if the user uses some sight.  If you use sleep in whatever program you are in, you won’t be able to use the screen-reader at all, yet the person didn’t comment on that. 
 
In terms of the browser, from what the person wrote in recent messages, the problem is that the person is hearing the sounds that the browser makes by default when automatically switching between browse mode and focus mode as you move through a web page and come to certain structures. 
 
Sleep mode would stop these sounds, if done in such a way that it is on while the browser is running because NVDA is completely inactive.  But then you wouldn’t have browse mode and you wouldn’t have any screen-reader information so you wouldn’t use the browser in the first place unless you were using sight to move around the web page.  Perhaps the person has enough site for navigation but not enough for comfortable extended reading.  There is too much we don’t know about how the person uses NVDA, but, we now know  that the person didn’t want to hear the change sounds.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off
 
On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 02:34 PM, Gene wrote:
Sleep mode is a red herring.  It has nothing to do with the issue.
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Then, Gene, please do elaborate on what you see as "the issue."

It wasn't perfectly clear at the outset, and the original poster did say, much later, that sleep mode was silencing everything, which is what I thought he wanted based on, "The problem is, when I have speech mode off, I still hear beeping sounds whenever I click on new windows/programs/tabs that I have on my desktop."

It's pretty clear now that all he wanted to do was to eliminate the two sounds NVDA uses to signal the switch between browse and focus modes because he found them very annoying.  That has been achieved, by unchecking the setting noted.

The original poster does not seem, from anything said in this topic, to have any confusion about what browse and focus mode are or how they behave.
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Re: How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

 

On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 02:34 PM, Gene wrote:
Sleep mode is a red herring.  It has nothing to do with the issue. 
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Then, Gene, please do elaborate on what you see as "the issue."

It wasn't perfectly clear at the outset, and the original poster did say, much later, that sleep mode was silencing everything, which is what I thought he wanted based on, "The problem is, when I have speech mode off, I still hear beeping sounds whenever I click on new windows/programs/tabs that I have on my desktop."

It's pretty clear now that all he wanted to do was to eliminate the two sounds NVDA uses to signal the switch between browse and focus modes because he found them very annoying.  That has been achieved, by unchecking the setting noted.

The original poster does not seem, from anything said in this topic, to have any confusion about what browse and focus mode are or how they behave.
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Re: How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

Gene
 

It is important to understand when and why the browser is switching between browse mode and forms mode.  It is important to read the information in the user guide about browsing.  The web page isn’t changing.  the screen-reader is automatically switching modes. 
 
Sleep mode is a red herring.  It has nothing to do with the issue. 
 
You should also be able to get information about browsing with NVDA in various tutorials and training materials.  But if you don’t get this information, you may have ongoing confusion.
 
Do you know how to work with the user guide?  I won’t go into where the information is is this message.
 
Gene

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Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off
 
@Brian, thank you for looking into this in depth for me. I'm new to NVDA, so I appreciate the help.

Perhaps you are correct. Some of these issues might be specific to my machine. I'm not sure.

Regarding enabling Sleep Mode, I tested it once more by putting everything back to the default settings, including re-selecting "Audio indication of focus and browse modes". You were right. There is a "global suspend" option that eliminates the beeping sounds entirely when both Speech Mode is On and Sleep Mode is On. In other words, with Speech and Sleep Modes On, I don't hear those beeping sounds. However, the beeping sounds still occur when Speech Mode is On and Sleep Mode is Off. The beeps occur when I navigate through elements on a page (either with my tab key or mouse). The beep will sound just before NVDA starts reading stuff.

Ultimately the solution for me is to unselect that "Audio indication..." setting to get NVDA to fit my needs (the beeps literally hurts my ears).


Re: How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

 

On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 01:18 PM, <ksaeteurn@...> wrote:
Ultimately the solution for me is to unselect that "Audio indication..." setting to get NVDA to fit my needs (the beeps literally hurts my ears).
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I could have sworn that the sounds used were somehow "tweakable" but I'm not finding anything in the User Manual.

In any case, NVDA will just speak the mode it's transitioned into as those transitions occur.

 
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Re: Cannot write much of anything on Facebook without bringing up the feature to tag individuals

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Re: How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

ksaeteurn@...
 

@Brian, thank you for looking into this in depth for me. I'm new to NVDA, so I appreciate the help.

Perhaps you are correct. Some of these issues might be specific to my machine. I'm not sure.

Regarding enabling Sleep Mode, I tested it once more by putting everything back to the default settings, including re-selecting "Audio indication of focus and browse modes". You were right. There is a "global suspend" option that eliminates the beeping sounds entirely when both Speech Mode is On and Sleep Mode is On. In other words, with Speech and Sleep Modes On, I don't hear those beeping sounds. However, the beeping sounds still occur when Speech Mode is On and Sleep Mode is Off. The beeps occur when I navigate through elements on a page (either with my tab key or mouse). The beep will sound just before NVDA starts reading stuff.

Ultimately the solution for me is to unselect that "Audio indication..." setting to get NVDA to fit my needs (the beeps literally hurts my ears).


Re: Cannot write much of anything on Facebook without bringing up the feature to tag individuals

Pawel Urbanski
 

Just so you know... I addressed many bugs with solutions including rough code to Facebook.
I reached to my connections working there at different levels and departments. I know that htey passed my feedback on, but nobody has ever got in touch despite my offer to spend some time on resolution...


Re: How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

Sarah k Alawami
 

No there is not, sleep mode is what you would be looking for int is case.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 9:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

 

A correction, the documentation says of sleep mode:  "sleep mode disables all NVDA commands and speech/braille output for the current application."

That "for the current application" proviso is something I just glossed over.  I also glossed over "speech/braille output," as that doesn't include other audio output, at least as stated.

Sleep mode seems to be a sort of temporary application profile only for the application that NVDA is running over at the moment you invoke it.

I could have sworn that there was, for lack of a better way of putting it, a "global suspend" command for NVDA where it continues to run, but does absolutely nothing while suspended.  But if there is I haven't found it with a quick search.
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Re: How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

 

A correction, the documentation says of sleep mode:  "sleep mode disables all NVDA commands and speech/braille output for the current application."

That "for the current application" proviso is something I just glossed over.  I also glossed over "speech/braille output," as that doesn't include other audio output, at least as stated.

Sleep mode seems to be a sort of temporary application profile only for the application that NVDA is running over at the moment you invoke it.

I could have sworn that there was, for lack of a better way of putting it, a "global suspend" command for NVDA where it continues to run, but does absolutely nothing while suspended.  But if there is I haven't found it with a quick search.
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Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

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Re: How to eliminate all beep sounds when speech mode is off

 

On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:46 AM, <ksaeteurn@...> wrote:
@Brian, I tried NVDA + Shift + S but it didn't work.
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Interesting.  I looked at the screenshot you posted and it makes even less sense to me that these sounds were being produced when NVDA was in sleep mode.  As described, that's supposed to suppress all output from NVDA.

The question now is whether this is true universally, which means a bug (or sure does to me), or not, which means something idiosyncratic to your machine.
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