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Re: is there a way to copy a link from the body of an email?

Gene
 

The problem is that control right arrow doesn’t necessarily move you to the end of the link.  Its generally used for move by word but links are not necessarily interpreted as words and you may stop in the middle.  If you are using browse mode, where every link is on its own line and you do home then shift end, you will have selected the link and that should be reliable, just as it is on a web page.  I’m talking about written out links, http://www etc.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] is there a way to copy a link from the body of an email?
 
On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 06:38 PM, Governor staten wrote:
ctrl+shift+right arrow should copy a link. Find the beginning of the link, then use the keyboard combination I gave you. After it is selected, use ctrl+c and that should copy it.
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This is unreliable, in my experience, particularly if a screen reader is involved.

I just tried this about 15 minutes ago, with NVDA on, and all I got was the link text, but not the formatted click-through link using that text.  I could reliably do this then bring up the context menu and choose Copy Link Address.
 
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

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locked Re: Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence

 

On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 07:03 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
What is the ftp for this, I did look round but never found everything.

It's in the very material you quoted:  ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/embedded_viavoice/
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence

 

What is the ftp for this, I did look round but never found everything.

I do have sapi eloquence but it will be interesting to bring more things to life if I can.

What I am really searching for are more voice packs like code factory where I can buy a flat rate for everything.

If I could do that with ivona or acapella I would or at least all english voices.

What attracted me to code factory vocaliser is one fee and I own all.

Thats not really necessary as I won't install all but if I need say a japanese voice or something which is more than microsoft's really good voices then well.



On 29/05/2021 8:39 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

You may need to hunt for this, as Windows CE Services 2.0 is not maintained, replaced by Microsoft ActiveSync, which in turn was replaced by Windows Mobile Device Center, which in turn was discontinued when Windows Mobile 6.x became unsupported. The voices from the FTP site are really meant for embedded devices running Windows CE and Pocket PC operating systems, which are completely different things than Windows 10 (API’s may look similar, but Windows CE cannot run apps written for Windows 10, nor Windows 10 can execute Windows CE executables).

Talking about Windows CE brings back all sorts of memories about a device from a long time ago, one that actually launched my dreams of becoming a software developer…

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zvonimir stanecic, 9a5dsz
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 1:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence

 

Afoter downloading this, it turns out that you need windows ce services 2.0 to install this.

Where are the proper installers for this?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 8:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence

 

However, you are in a list of files with names that don’t tell us what the files are for.  Which one or ones should be used for what?

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Ron Canazzi

Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:27 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence

 

This link goes nowhere.


On 5/28/2021 1:02 PM, Hareth wrote:
> There you go:
> ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/embedded_viavoice/
>
> On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
>> I meant I can't find the download link for it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/28/2021 8:48 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria via groups.io wrote:
>>> I can't find the sownload link for it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/28/2021 8:38 AM, Crayton Benner via groups.io wrote:
>>>> Last time I tried it, it worked fine with windows 10 no problems.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:31, Rosemarie Chavarria
>>>> <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>      Will it work with windows 10 or is it for older systems?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      On 5/28/2021 7:16 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>      also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is available
>>>>>      to download for free on IBM's publically available and open ftp
>>>>>      site? It's buried inside of some folders on ftp.software.ibm.com
>>>>>      <ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com> ... But yes it is there for anybody
>>>>>      to go grab and install and use.
>>
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Re: is there a way to copy a link from the body of an email?

 

On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 06:38 PM, Governor staten wrote:
ctrl+shift+right arrow should copy a link. Find the beginning of the link, then use the keyboard combination I gave you. After it is selected, use ctrl+c and that should copy it.
-
This is unreliable, in my experience, particularly if a screen reader is involved.

I just tried this about 15 minutes ago, with NVDA on, and all I got was the link text, but not the formatted click-through link using that text.  I could reliably do this then bring up the context menu and choose Copy Link Address.
 
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA's normal navigation mode

Luke Davis
 

Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:



Actually it is a typing sound. In the 1800s the telegraph used that sound, or at least somethingn close to it. So I know what that means.


Interestingly, at least to me, it never occurred to me that that sound was meant to be a typing sound. The closest thing I could describe ass would be and artificial camera shutter sound, as somebody described  it earlier. I have used mechanical typewriters, electromechanical typewriters, and electronic keyboards of all varieties, and never have any of them sounded like that.

That said, I have stayed out of this one because I am generally in favor of earcons, as long as they are optional. I have enough things talking to me all day, it is a pleasure to get context from something other than an artificial voice. But I’m not saying anything new on this so I will shut up again.

Luke


Re: is there a way to copy a link from the body of an email?

 

ctrl+shift+right arrow should copy a link. Find the beginning of the link, then use the keyboard combination I gave you. After it is selected, use ctrl+c and that should copy it.

On 5/28/2021 4:52 PM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:
I looked up what I had written in the past but have not been able to get the link to copy from an email to the clipboard so that I can put it in another email.


I am using the latest version of thunderbird and as far as I know the latest version of NVDA until the one that is just coming out.


Any help would be appreciated. What I tried is the insert key on the numpad while pressing the number 5 on the numpad twice but nothing seems to be saving to the clipboard.



Re: is there a way to copy a link from the body of an email?

Gene
 

Did you write the link as http://www. etc?  It may not appear to be a link but it may be one.  For example, there are times when I write out links as I described above and the e-mail program shows the text of the title of the article where I wrote the link.  As I recall, the screen-reader doesn’t say link or see it as a link but if you send the message, the recipient will see the title and it will be recognized as a link.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] is there a way to copy a link from the body of an email?
 
It does not come across as a link when I try control-C. I had tried that
before asking my question. I have spent almost an hour on this.

On 5/28/2021 5:03 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
> Why not use the standard Windows keyboard shortcuts to select the
> text, copy it to the clipboard, and then paste it wherever?
>
>
> If the link is on one line, you would go CTRL+Shift+End to select,
> CTRL+C to copy, then switch to wherever you want to paste and go
> CTRL+V to paste.
>
>
> If you are unfamiliar with Windows basics like this, I recommend you
> get a copy of the Basic Training for NVDA available on the NV Access
> Website, and work through the examples.
>
>
>
> On 2021-05-28 4:52 p.m., Betsy Grenevitch wrote:
>> I looked up what I had written in the past but have not been able to
>> get the link to copy from an email to the clipboard so that I can put
>> it in another email.
>>
>>
>> I am using the latest version of thunderbird and as far as I know the
>> latest version of NVDA until the one that is just coming out.
>>
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated. What I tried is the insert key on the
>> numpad while pressing the number 5 on the numpad twice but nothing
>> seems to be saving to the clipboard.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: is there a way to copy a link from the body of an email?

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


If you move to the link with K, you can do one of the following:

Application key, or Shift+F10, and choose Copy link or something like;

If the link is not a word, but a proper link you can press Insert+NumPad 5 three times...


Rui Fontes




Às 21:52 de 28/05/2021, Betsy Grenevitch escreveu:

I looked up what I had written in the past but have not been able to get the link to copy from an email to the clipboard so that I can put it in another email.


I am using the latest version of thunderbird and as far as I know the latest version of NVDA until the one that is just coming out.


Any help would be appreciated. What I tried is the insert key on the numpad while pressing the number 5 on the numpad twice but nothing seems to be saving to the clipboard.



Re: is there a way to copy a link from the body of an email?

 

Also, as several have already pointed out, this is definitely not "an NVDA thing."  

Cut/copy/paste is really not specific to any given program.  Those commands are built into Windows and all the various programs do is do a system call to do any one of those functions.

Context menus, however, are context (that would be program or part of program you're working in) specific.  Hence the name.  But even these are more similar for standard functions than they are different.
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: is there a way to copy a link from the body of an email?

 

Betsy,

If the email isn't private, or at least the chunk of it where the link resides, either forward me the whole message or copy the sentences surrounding and including it, and send that.

I really can't advise on this in the abstract since "the usual things" don't seem to be working.

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: is there a way to copy a link from the body of an email?

Betsy Grenevitch
 

It is the actual link to the file. It just says "link download" and it plays the file for you when you click on it.


On 5/28/2021 5:04 PM, Gene wrote:
I just saw Brian’s message and I should have said that what I described iss if the link is written out, not a link that says click here or some other text that isn’t the actual written out link.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] is there a way to copy a link from the body of an email?
 
Have you tried the standard Windows method of selecting the link then using control c?  that isn’t an NVDA command. 
 
I won’t discuss the various ways of copying to the clipboard using NVDA in this message since they shouldn’t be necessary for what you are doing.
 
Anywhere there is a cursor or a virtual cursor such as in browse mode, you can use the Windows method.  If you need discussion of that, ask. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:52 PM
Subject: [nvda] is there a way to copy a link from the body of an email?
 
I looked up what I had written in the past but have not been able to get
the link to copy from an email to the clipboard so that I can put it in
another email.


I am using the latest version of thunderbird and as far as I know the
latest version of NVDA until the one that is just coming out.


Any help would be appreciated. What I tried is the insert key on the
numpad while pressing the number 5 on the numpad twice but nothing seems
to be saving to the clipboard.



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Re: is there a way to copy a link from the body of an email?

Betsy Grenevitch
 

It does not come across as a link when I try control-C. I had tried that before asking my question. I have spent almost an hour on this.

On 5/28/2021 5:03 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
Why not use the standard Windows keyboard shortcuts to select the text, copy it to the clipboard, and then paste it wherever?


If the link is on one line, you would go CTRL+Shift+End to select, CTRL+C to copy, then switch to wherever you want to paste and go CTRL+V to paste.


If you are unfamiliar with Windows basics like this, I recommend you get a copy of the Basic Training for NVDA available on the NV Access Website, and work through the examples.



On 2021-05-28 4:52 p.m., Betsy Grenevitch wrote:
I looked up what I had written in the past but have not been able to get the link to copy from an email to the clipboard so that I can put it in another email.


I am using the latest version of thunderbird and as far as I know the latest version of NVDA until the one that is just coming out.


Any help would be appreciated. What I tried is the insert key on the numpad while pressing the number 5 on the numpad twice but nothing seems to be saving to the clipboard.




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Re: is there a way to copy a link from the body of an email?

Gene
 

I just saw Brian’s message and I should have said that what I described iss if the link is written out, not a link that says click here or some other text that isn’t the actual written out link.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] is there a way to copy a link from the body of an email?
 
Have you tried the standard Windows method of selecting the link then using control c?  that isn’t an NVDA command. 
 
I won’t discuss the various ways of copying to the clipboard using NVDA in this message since they shouldn’t be necessary for what you are doing.
 
Anywhere there is a cursor or a virtual cursor such as in browse mode, you can use the Windows method.  If you need discussion of that, ask. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:52 PM
Subject: [nvda] is there a way to copy a link from the body of an email?
 
I looked up what I had written in the past but have not been able to get
the link to copy from an email to the clipboard so that I can put it in
another email.


I am using the latest version of thunderbird and as far as I know the
latest version of NVDA until the one that is just coming out.


Any help would be appreciated. What I tried is the insert key on the
numpad while pressing the number 5 on the numpad twice but nothing seems
to be saving to the clipboard.



--
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876





Re: is there a way to copy a link from the body of an email?

Chris Smart
 

yep, that works here too.



On 2021-05-28 4:57 p.m., Brian Vogel wrote:
Betsy,

All I can tell you, and it pretty much applies anywhere in Windows 10 where hyperlinks are present (and, note well, that means a real one - if someone managed to put one in that came through as plain text, and it happens the following does not apply).

If you have focus on/somewhere in the hyperlink itself, if you bring up the context menu by the method of your choosing there is generally a "Copy Hyperlink" or "Copy Link" option.  I'm not on my machine that has Thunderbird on it at the moment, but I use that technique all over the place.
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: is there a way to copy a link from the body of an email?

Chris Smart
 

Why not use the standard Windows keyboard shortcuts to select the text, copy it to the clipboard, and then paste it wherever?


If the link is on one line, you would go CTRL+Shift+End to select, CTRL+C to copy, then switch to wherever you want to paste and go CTRL+V to paste.


If you are unfamiliar with Windows basics like this, I recommend you get a copy of the Basic Training for NVDA available on the NV Access Website, and work through the examples.

On 2021-05-28 4:52 p.m., Betsy Grenevitch wrote:
I looked up what I had written in the past but have not been able to get the link to copy from an email to the clipboard so that I can put it in another email.


I am using the latest version of thunderbird and as far as I know the latest version of NVDA until the one that is just coming out.


Any help would be appreciated. What I tried is the insert key on the numpad while pressing the number 5 on the numpad twice but nothing seems to be saving to the clipboard.



Re: is there a way to copy a link from the body of an email?

Gene
 

Have you tried the standard Windows method of selecting the link then using control c?  that isn’t an NVDA command. 
 
I won’t discuss the various ways of copying to the clipboard using NVDA in this message since they shouldn’t be necessary for what you are doing.
 
Anywhere there is a cursor or a virtual cursor such as in browse mode, you can use the Windows method.  If you need discussion of that, ask. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:52 PM
Subject: [nvda] is there a way to copy a link from the body of an email?
 
I looked up what I had written in the past but have not been able to get
the link to copy from an email to the clipboard so that I can put it in
another email.


I am using the latest version of thunderbird and as far as I know the
latest version of NVDA until the one that is just coming out.


Any help would be appreciated. What I tried is the insert key on the
numpad while pressing the number 5 on the numpad twice but nothing seems
to be saving to the clipboard.



--
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876





Re: is there a way to copy a link from the body of an email?

 

Betsy,

All I can tell you, and it pretty much applies anywhere in Windows 10 where hyperlinks are present (and, note well, that means a real one - if someone managed to put one in that came through as plain text, and it happens the following does not apply).

If you have focus on/somewhere in the hyperlink itself, if you bring up the context menu by the method of your choosing there is generally a "Copy Hyperlink" or "Copy Link" option.  I'm not on my machine that has Thunderbird on it at the moment, but I use that technique all over the place.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


is there a way to copy a link from the body of an email?

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I looked up what I had written in the past but have not been able to get the link to copy from an email to the clipboard so that I can put it in another email.


I am using the latest version of thunderbird and as far as I know the latest version of NVDA until the one that is just coming out.


Any help would be appreciated. What I tried is the insert key on the numpad while pressing the number 5 on the numpad twice but nothing seems to be saving to the clipboard.



--
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locked Re: Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence

 

I am asking that any further discussion of the downloading of the previously noted voices, and any gymnastics necessary to get them installed and working, be moved to the Chat Subgroup.

We've crossed into heavy non-NVDA territory now, and there is absolutely no way back out in the short term.  Thus, off-topic.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence

 

Hi,

You may need to hunt for this, as Windows CE Services 2.0 is not maintained, replaced by Microsoft ActiveSync, which in turn was replaced by Windows Mobile Device Center, which in turn was discontinued when Windows Mobile 6.x became unsupported. The voices from the FTP site are really meant for embedded devices running Windows CE and Pocket PC operating systems, which are completely different things than Windows 10 (API’s may look similar, but Windows CE cannot run apps written for Windows 10, nor Windows 10 can execute Windows CE executables).

Talking about Windows CE brings back all sorts of memories about a device from a long time ago, one that actually launched my dreams of becoming a software developer…

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zvonimir stanecic, 9a5dsz
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 1:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence

 

Afoter downloading this, it turns out that you need windows ce services 2.0 to install this.

Where are the proper installers for this?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 8:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence

 

However, you are in a list of files with names that don’t tell us what the files are for.  Which one or ones should be used for what?

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:27 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence

 

This link goes nowhere.


On 5/28/2021 1:02 PM, Hareth wrote:
> There you go:
> ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/embedded_viavoice/
>
> On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
>> I meant I can't find the download link for it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/28/2021 8:48 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria via groups.io wrote:
>>> I can't find the sownload link for it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/28/2021 8:38 AM, Crayton Benner via groups.io wrote:
>>>> Last time I tried it, it worked fine with windows 10 no problems.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:31, Rosemarie Chavarria
>>>> <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>      Will it work with windows 10 or is it for older systems?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      On 5/28/2021 7:16 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>      also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is available
>>>>>      to download for free on IBM's publically available and open ftp
>>>>>      site? It's buried inside of some folders on ftp.software.ibm.com
>>>>>      <ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com> ... But yes it is there for anybody
>>>>>      to go grab and install and use.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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