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Re: object enhancer addon

Rui Fontes
 

Have you downloaded the version I made available?


Rui Fontes



Às 20:36 de 29/07/2021, hurrikennyandopo ... escreveu:

Hi


For a work around to use this add on I thought there would be a few people that speak english that would like to try it but it comes up in dutch when installed. I do not know what to do to make it come up in English so done the below work around and or pointed to the add on and english documentation in my drop box account.

If some one knows how to do it please do when it get installed it comes up in English.


*Object enhancer add on for NVDA

Object Enhancer
• Author: Babbage B.V. info@...
Object Enhancer allows you to change how NVDA announces objects on the screen using an intuitive interface. It can be used to change the label of an object, but depending on how you’re using it, has functionality to change basically any property of an object.
Changes to an object are saved in a definition. A definition contains:
• Criteria that have to apply in order for the definition to match
• Attribute changes that will be applied to every object that matches the definition
• Optional relationships with other definitions. A definition can inherrit criteria from other

You can obtain a copy of it for NVDA 2021.1 from my drop box account at https://www.dropbox.com/s/wld98w3bv5s2l9i/object%20enhancer.zip?dl=1

The add on is in Dutch and if you do the following on the installed version of NVDA you can have it in English. Press the Windows key, then arrow to all apps, then NVDA, then NVDA user configuration, then press the Enter key. Locate the addons folder, then locate the object enhancer folder, then press the Enter key.
Locate the Doc folder, there will be 2 folders inside of it. Locate the Nl folder then copy the readme.html file. Go back one step and locate the En folder and paste it in there. It should override the other readme file. Now when you bring up the help section in the addon, the first part will be in Dutch and the rest will be English.

For a portable version do the following. If it is in the NVDA folder, locate the user configuration folder, then press the Enter key. Locate the add ons folder then press the Enter key. Locate the object enhancer folder, then press the Enter key. Locate the Doc folder, then press the Enter key. There will be 2 folders inside of it. Locate the Nl folder, then press the Enter key and copy the readme.html file. Go back one step and locate the En folder and press the Enter key and paste it in there. It should override the other readme file. Now when you bring up the help section in the add on, the first part will be in Dutch and the rest will be English.
 
*Please note

If after that has been done and you hear NVDA speaking in another language, use the NVDA key + Ctrl key + the letter V. Next, tab down until you hear NVDA say Automatic language switching (when supported) and uncheck that box. Save your settings, then open the add on help section. The first part will be in Dutch and the rest will be in English.
If you do not want to do the above, there is an English text file which you can read within the zip file.




On 27/07/2021 3:06 am, falkogiepmans@... wrote:
To be quite honest, we forgot that we had this add-on made. My own boss asked me the other day to look into a functionality to label objects in NVDA as they can do in JAWS, turns out we already had something on the table :).

I'll give it some love where needed, since it would be tremendously useful for our own work as well. If anyone has a pull-request that it wants to push then I will look into it.

Kind regards,
Falko

 
 


Re: No sound with NVDA 2020.1 in a Windows 10 VM

Lukasz Golonka
 

Hello,

On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 14:17:43 +0200
Sébastien Hinderer <Sebastien.Hinderer@inria.fr> wrote:

Coming to the problem. The VM works. We can hear Windows' system sounds
and it is also possible to play videos on YouTube through FireFix from
within the VM and that will produce sound.

What does not work is that NVDA does not speak and that even the sounds
one is supposed to hear when it starts up or when it stops can't be
heard.

The speech synthetizers (Windows OneCore voices for french) are
installed but it is not possible to listen to a sample.

Almost the same goes for the narrator, the difference bbeing that it's
possible ot hear it beep but not speak.
Are you by any chance running Windows 10 1809? First versions of this
build had exactly the issue you're describing under Virtual Box. I've
reported this both to Oracle (https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/17942)
and to Microsoft Accessibility team. The latter report resulted in this
issue being corrected with an update but unfortunately if you've
installed from the image without the appropriate CU integrated you need
to fix it manually. To do so it is necessary to open your sound settings
and ensure your sound card is set to Stereo rather than to 5.1 which the
audio card emulated by Virtual Box fails to handle well.


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Re: object enhancer addon

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


For a work around to use this add on I thought there would be a few people that speak english that would like to try it but it comes up in dutch when installed. I do not know what to do to make it come up in English so done the below work around and or pointed to the add on and english documentation in my drop box account.

If some one knows how to do it please do when it get installed it comes up in English.


*Object enhancer add on for NVDA

Object Enhancer
• Author: Babbage B.V. info@...
Object Enhancer allows you to change how NVDA announces objects on the screen using an intuitive interface. It can be used to change the label of an object, but depending on how you’re using it, has functionality to change basically any property of an object.
Changes to an object are saved in a definition. A definition contains:
• Criteria that have to apply in order for the definition to match
• Attribute changes that will be applied to every object that matches the definition
• Optional relationships with other definitions. A definition can inherrit criteria from other

You can obtain a copy of it for NVDA 2021.1 from my drop box account at https://www.dropbox.com/s/wld98w3bv5s2l9i/object%20enhancer.zip?dl=1

The add on is in Dutch and if you do the following on the installed version of NVDA you can have it in English. Press the Windows key, then arrow to all apps, then NVDA, then NVDA user configuration, then press the Enter key. Locate the addons folder, then locate the object enhancer folder, then press the Enter key.
Locate the Doc folder, there will be 2 folders inside of it. Locate the Nl folder then copy the readme.html file. Go back one step and locate the En folder and paste it in there. It should override the other readme file. Now when you bring up the help section in the addon, the first part will be in Dutch and the rest will be English.

For a portable version do the following. If it is in the NVDA folder, locate the user configuration folder, then press the Enter key. Locate the add ons folder then press the Enter key. Locate the object enhancer folder, then press the Enter key. Locate the Doc folder, then press the Enter key. There will be 2 folders inside of it. Locate the Nl folder, then press the Enter key and copy the readme.html file. Go back one step and locate the En folder and press the Enter key and paste it in there. It should override the other readme file. Now when you bring up the help section in the add on, the first part will be in Dutch and the rest will be English.
 
*Please note

If after that has been done and you hear NVDA speaking in another language, use the NVDA key + Ctrl key + the letter V. Next, tab down until you hear NVDA say Automatic language switching (when supported) and uncheck that box. Save your settings, then open the add on help section. The first part will be in Dutch and the rest will be in English.
If you do not want to do the above, there is an English text file which you can read within the zip file.




On 27/07/2021 3:06 am, falkogiepmans@... wrote:
To be quite honest, we forgot that we had this add-on made. My own boss asked me the other day to look into a functionality to label objects in NVDA as they can do in JAWS, turns out we already had something on the table :).

I'll give it some love where needed, since it would be tremendously useful for our own work as well. If anyone has a pull-request that it wants to push then I will look into it.

Kind regards,
Falko

 
 


Re: No sound with NVDA 2020.1 in a Windows 10 VM

Sébastien Hinderer
 

Thanks, Chris!

We did try espeach and didn't encounter more success. Regarding the
output device, as far as I can remember, we had two choices: speakers or
microsoft sound mappper or something like that. I can't say for sure
that we tried all the combinations of synthesizers and outputs but those
we tried didn't work. Also there is this strange things that the tunes
NVDA makes when it starts and stops we couldn't hear either. To me this
seems to indicate that the problem is wider than just a matter of which
speech synthetizer is used, but I also suspect there may be several
problems, and perhaps installing the latest version of NVDA will solve
at least some of them.

Anyway, many thanks to all for your warm support, I deeply appreciate!

Sébastien.


Re: No sound with NVDA 2020.1 in a Windows 10 VM

Sébastien Hinderer
 

Dear Brian,

No, I was not aware of the french speaking group, thanks!

That may indeed be helpful in some situations and in any case worth
following!

For this discussion, though, it feels like the present group is a better
place to have it, well I hope it doesn't annoy anybody.

Best wishes,

Sébastien.


Re: No sound with NVDA 2020.1 in a Windows 10 VM

Sébastien Hinderer
 

Thanks Brian and sorry, my copy/paste included a name who should not
have been there. The e-mail address included was also irrelevent, my
apologize for that. The only right thing was the page's URL.

Thanks again, things seem to become a bit less cloudy, I think.

Sébastien.


Re: No sound with NVDA 2020.1 in a Windows 10 VM

Sébastien Hinderer
 

Thanks. I'll try to provide some logs if, after having installed the
latest version things do not improve.

Sébastien.


Re: No sound with NVDA 2020.1 in a Windows 10 VM

Sébastien Hinderer
 

Thanks! I'll definitely give it a try as soon as an opportunity arises.
I don't see why I owuldn't. Sinc e things do not work anyway, there
seems to be not much to loose. Does it matter whether I upgrade or first
uninstall the old version and theninstall the new one?

Thanks,

Sébastien.


Re: No sound with NVDA 2020.1 in a Windows 10 VM

Chris
 

If narrator isn’t working either then maybe selecting the espeak synth that comes with NVDA may help and/or changing the output to another  device

 

 

From: Sébastien Hinderer
Sent: 29 July 2021 14:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] No sound with NVDA 2020.1 in a Windows 10 VM

 

Dear all,

 

I am a Linux usser wishing to use w Windows VM running under VirtualBox

and with NVDA running into it as a screen reader.

 

Since I am based in France I downloaded NVDA2020.1 which seemed to be

the latest release, at least on the french website. Later on I

discovered on the nvaccess.org website that 2021.1 seems to be released

so if you think switching to this version could help to solve my problem

I would like no, but then I'd ask why this is not yet on the french

website, is it because of a lack of translations? In which case I'm

happy to help.

 

Coming to the problem. The VM works. We can hear Windows' system sounds

and it is also possible to play videos on YouTube through FireFix from

within the VM and that will produce sound.

 

What does not work is that NVDA does not speak and that even the sounds

one is supposed to hear when it starts up or when it stops can't be

heard.

 

The speech synthetizers (Windows OneCore voices for french) are

installed but it is not possible to listen to a sample.

 

Almost the same goes for the narrator, the difference bbeing that it's

possible ot hear it beep but not speak.

 

The Windows in question has been activated.

 

I am a visually impaired engineer surrounded by sighted and skilled

engineers so we will be happpy to provide any information that could

help you in assisting me.

 

Any hint warmly welcome! Thanks!

 

Sébastien.

 

 

 

 

 


Re: No sound with NVDA 2020.1 in a Windows 10 VM

 

Sébastien,

You probably already know this, but there is a group dedicated to francophone users of NVDA.  Here's the group description from their Groups.io main page as well as the primary group addresses:

Liste par et pour les utilisateurs francophones de NVDA.
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Re: weather plus addon

Adriano Barbieri
 

Hi Don ,

Oddly, the package lacks the English documentation and generates an error.
I only realized it now, as soon as I set the nvda language to English.
I'll be doing an emergency update to 8.4 shortly.
Sorry for the inconvenience

Adriano


Il 29/07/2021 14:45, Don H ha scritto:
Running latest released versions of Win 10 and NVDA.  I downloaded and installed version 8.3 of weather plus addon and installed it.  As part of the addon install I restarted nvda.  Now I go into the NVDA settings weatherplus and try to set or manage cities.  If i hit the space bar on this option nothing happens, if I hit enter on the option the menue closes.  So how do you set your cities when you can't open the settings to do so.  I also tried to reboot my computer after installing the addon and I still can't set the cities.







Re: No sound with NVDA 2020.1 in a Windows 10 VM

 

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 10:55 AM, Sébastien Hinderer wrote:
Not sure thought it will solve the problem completely, since the narrator
does not speak either.
-
Don't discount that there could be an issue with the Windows VM itself, particularly since Narrator isn't working.

You are working in an environment that I have no way to imitate or test in, so I can't be of much more help.
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Yep.  Discipline.  Accountability.  Joy.  Fun.  Responsibility.

That's what life is about.  And in that order.

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Re: No sound with NVDA 2020.1 in a Windows 10 VM

 

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 10:55 AM, Sébastien Hinderer wrote:
I'm quite new to the NVDA community so the status of Thomas Refis
<thomas.refis@...>https://www.nvda-fr.org with regards to
nvaccess.org is unclear to me.
-
First, I want to make it clear that I am not, in any way, trying to criticize the maintainer of the referenced page.  He's doing a service for the French speaking user community.

That being said, here is the translated-to-English footer that's right on his main page:

Copyright © 2006-2021 NVDA-FR and ProgAccess
This site is not affiliated with 
NVAccess (developer of NVDA).
The team on this site does not have any NVDA developers, for suggestions for new features, please check out NVAccess's GitHub.

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I would not expect any announcements on this page regarding French translations of NVDA because NVDA always ships with same.
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Yep.  Discipline.  Accountability.  Joy.  Fun.  Responsibility.

That's what life is about.  And in that order.

        ~ Liza Minnelli

 


Re: No sound with NVDA 2020.1 in a Windows 10 VM

 

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 10:55 AM, Sébastien Hinderer wrote:
I'm absolutely fine with using the latest version, I just assumed if
they were not offered on the above mentionned website it's because they
have not yet been fully internationalised or localised?
-
To my knowledge, NVDA itself is "ready for prime time" in all languages when it is released.  Language localization is part and parcel of the product itself.

If I'm incorrect, I'm sure one of our regular readers who's "on the inside" at NV Access will correct me.  But I know of virtually no products that offer language localization that are ever released without whatever languages they have translations for being a part of the package.  You can pretty much check this out yourself if you look at the install directory for NVDA after you have installed it.

Right now the install directory is C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA
Under that folder is the locale folder which you can tell by the names of the folders are the language localizations.  There is an FR folder there, along with 72 others.
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Yep.  Discipline.  Accountability.  Joy.  Fun.  Responsibility.

That's what life is about.  And in that order.

        ~ Liza Minnelli

 


Re: No sound with NVDA 2020.1 in a Windows 10 VM

Sébastien Hinderer
 

Thanks! Do you have any idea why these are not proposed on
Thomas Refis <thomas.refis@gmail.com>https://www.nvda-fr.org

I'm absolutely fine with using the latest version, I just assumed if
they were not offered on the above mentionned website it's because they
have not yet been fully internationalised or localised?

I'm quite new to the NVDA community so the status of Thomas Refis
<thomas.refis@gmail.com>https://www.nvda-fr.org with regards to
nvaccess.org is unclear to me. Any explanation is welcome and thanks,
already, for the advice to upgrade! Will do so as soon as I have sighted
assistance.

Not sure thoughtit will solve the problem completely, since the narrator
does not speak either.

Sébastien.


Re: NVDA AND WINDOWS 11

 

On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 07:26 PM, William James wrote:
I would actually recommend uBlock Origin.  It’s got a light footprint and is better than anything else out there IMHO.
-
I love uBlock Origin, use it myself, and recommend it highly.  If I'm reading the original message correctly, though, it would not have any impact whatsoever, as this seems to me to be describing a message from Windows itself, not delivered via a web browser.

By the way, it would be really helpful to have documented both the exact delivery method and the exact message text, too. 
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Yep.  Discipline.  Accountability.  Joy.  Fun.  Responsibility.

That's what life is about.  And in that order.

        ~ Liza Minnelli

 


Re: No sound with NVDA 2020.1 in a Windows 10 VM

 

The latest release is now 2021.1.

If you want to go with a 2020 release for the VM for the moment, and I wouldn't unless add-on compatibility is an issue, then 2020.4 would make the most sense.
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Yep.  Discipline.  Accountability.  Joy.  Fun.  Responsibility.

That's what life is about.  And in that order.

        ~ Liza Minnelli

 


Re: No sound with NVDA 2020.1 in a Windows 10 VM

Sébastien Hinderer
 

tim (2021/07/29 10:38 -0400):
if your not getting speech or sound on your vm. Then you have to enable the
sound card in your vm settings.
Sorry, but I think you somehow misread my explanations.

I do get sound in the VM. The Windows' system sound do work, as well as
listening to YouTube videos from within FireFox ran in the VM.

So the issue seems a bit more involved.

Sébastien.


Re: No sound with NVDA 2020.1 in a Windows 10 VM

tim
 

if your not getting speech or sound on your vm. Then you have to enable the sound card in your vm settings.

On 7/29/2021 8:17 AM, Sébastien Hinderer wrote:
Dear all,

I am a Linux usser wishing to use w Windows VM running under VirtualBox
and with NVDA running into it as a screen reader.

Since I am based in France I downloaded NVDA2020.1 which seemed to be
the latest release, at least on the french website. Later on I
discovered on the nvaccess.org website that 2021.1 seems to be released
so if you think switching to this version could help to solve my problem
I would like no, but then I'd ask why this is not yet on the french
website, is it because of a lack of translations? In which case I'm
happy to help.

Coming to the problem. The VM works. We can hear Windows' system sounds
and it is also possible to play videos on YouTube through FireFix from
within the VM and that will produce sound.

What does not work is that NVDA does not speak and that even the sounds
one is supposed to hear when it starts up or when it stops can't be
heard.

The speech synthetizers (Windows OneCore voices for french) are
installed but it is not possible to listen to a sample.

Almost the same goes for the narrator, the difference bbeing that it's
possible ot hear it beep but not speak.

The Windows in question has been activated.

I am a visually impaired engineer surrounded by sighted and skilled
engineers so we will be happpy to provide any information that could
help you in assisting me.

Any hint warmly welcome! Thanks!

Sébastien.




Re: NVDA AND WINDOWS 11

Steve Nutt
 

Sorry Brian, I meant H1, which I have.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 28 July 2021 21:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA AND WINDOWS 11

 

On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 10:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Or did it suggest you upgrade to Windows 10 2021H2?

-
Which would still be equally odd, as the rollout of Windows 10, Version 21H2 has not commenced yet, either.

But I can believe teaser messages, but not anything that allows actual updating to happen as of the date of this message.  That'll come months from now.
 
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