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Re: Broken file list in open/save dialogs?

Sarah k Alawami
 

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On 20 Nov 2019, at 10:43, Damien Garwood wrote:

Hi,
For some reason, I'm struggling to access the files and folders list of a standard open/save dialog. Even more strangely, it's only in one program. This has only started happening today, since I updated Windows 10 from 1809 to 1909.
When I try to access the list, all I get from NVDA is: "Items view list". Any attempt to move up and down the list results in silence, and any attempt to move back to parent directories results in a repeat of "items view list".
Has anyone got any ideas as to why this might be happening, or how to fix it?
Cheers.
Damien.

Re: Important notice on Joseph Lee's add-ons: NVDACon 2019 announcements, NVDA 2019.3 compatibility and add-on updates

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Morning Joseph:  I just check the about field of my NVDA application and I have February 1 but have new updates to down load and install.  Considering it the 20th of November, what should I do?

Dave


On 11/18/2019 8:06 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

You’ll have to redefine it.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Giles Turnbull
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 6:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important notice on Joseph Lee's add-ons: NVDACon 2019 announcements, NVDA 2019.3 compatibility and add-on updates

 

Hi Joseph,

I use the screen curtain addon and defined ALT+Shift+s to trigger it. Will that shorcut still function when screen curtain is incorporated into NVDA 2019.3 or will I need to redefine it?

Thanks :)

Giles

Broken file list in open/save dialogs?

Damien Garwood
 

Hi,
For some reason, I'm struggling to access the files and folders list of a standard open/save dialog. Even more strangely, it's only in one program. This has only started happening today, since I updated Windows 10 from 1809 to 1909.
When I try to access the list, all I get from NVDA is: "Items view list". Any attempt to move up and down the list results in silence, and any attempt to move back to parent directories results in a repeat of "items view list".
Has anyone got any ideas as to why this might be happening, or how to fix it?
Cheers.
Damien.

Re: NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Henk Mulder
 

Yes the community edition is open source and there is a trial for the ultimate edition.
Both versions can be found at https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/download/index.html#section=windows.
I use the community edition.

Op 19/11/2019 om 19:08 schreef Jaffar Sidek:

Is IntelliJ open source or is there a trial version?  I would like to give it a spin and see if it will react the same way on my machine and see if there is a work around.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 2:37 PM, Henk Mulder wrote:
It is on a fresh install of Windows. So the JDK, JRE (both X64 and X86) and the access bridge are freshly installed.
I know the access bridge is working, since I can access the "Configure Java"  application. I can also work with IntellliJ, ass long as it will correctly start. But half the time it freezes when starting IntelliJ.

Best,
Henk

Op 19/11/2019 om 03:48 schreef Shaun Everiss:

In addition, java will not update its dlls right if they are being used on windows 10.

So you can 1.  update java, restart, then reinstall java to put the dlls back or run narator to update java which is what I do when updating java its not a big issue as java doesn't update all the time.



On 19/11/2019 2:26 pm, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

Yup Java Access Bridge seems to be a problem in terms of stability.  I don't know if you are using a 64 bit machine.  If this is so, perhaps you might like to check if the appropriate WindowsAccessBridge.dll is in the appropriate windows/system32 or windows/SysWOW directories.  so WindowsAccessBridge-64.dll should be in the windows/system32 directory and WindowsAccessBridge.dll should be in the windows/SysWOW directory.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 5:51 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
I am aware of the accessibility history of IntelliJ. It is getting better though. Partly because Android Studio is also based on IntelliJ, and for Android Studio they do seem to work a little bit on accessibility.
For me the choice for IntelliJ is more because that is what's being used in industry. Since all my colleagues use IntelliJ, and Eclipse does not support the way our project is organized, I rather use what everyone else is using (if possible).
However the problem I have is not with IntelliJ accessibility. I think there is a problem with NVDA and the Java access bridge in general. I was hoping that someone might have a solution to that.
I'm also using JDK8, since that's what I require for our project. I am running the latest update (JDK/JRE 1.8.0_231), so I assume I also have the most up-to-date access bridge included.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 21:27 schreef Jaffar Sidek:

HI.  IntelliJ Idea has had problems with accessibility since time immemorial.  Perhaps you would consider eclipse?  Or if it is Android programming you are in to, then Android Studio?  Those aren't the best accessibility wise, but they do work much better with NVDA.  Also, you might want to check if you have the Latest version of the Java SDK as they concequently come with the latest version of the Java Access Bridge.  I have no idea of the degree of accessibility of versions later then version 8 though because I have stuck to Java 8 and all it's builds since it's inception.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 12:19 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
Hello Gene,

Unfortunately that won't help. IntelliJ is a Java application. Therefore you need the Java Access bridge in order to be able to use it with NVDA. The problem is that the Java Access Bridge will only load if the accessibility service is running. Thus if NVDA is not running while I start the application, I won't be able to work with the program since the access bridge isn't loaded.
On a similar note: if you restart NVDA while working with the program, you also lose the access bridge and need to restart the program as well.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 16:19 schreef Gene:
What happens if you unload NVDA, run the other program, then run NVDA again?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hi,

Using NVDA 2019.2.1, NVDA randomly freezes when I open IntelliJ IDE
(Community edition 2019.2.4).
When it happens, NVDA hangs and won't report anything (also when
switching to other applications with alt+tab). Also IntelliJ hangs and
will not open the current project. The only thing I can do is to start
Windows Narrator, which does keep working, and end the IntelliJ process
via the task manager. When the IntelliJ process is killed NVDA unfreezes.

Is there a way to make sure, or to increase the chance, that I can start
IntelliJ without NVDA and IntelliJ locking each other?

When NVDA is back I have the following snippet in the log viewer:

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (10:08:48.759):
Core frozen in stack:
   File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>
   File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
   File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
   File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
   File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 663, in processFocusWinEvent
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 534, in winEventToNVDAEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 412, in
findOverlayClasses
   File "JABHandler.pyo", line 707, in isJavaWindow

Best,
Henk






Re: Clickable objects on webpages

John J. Boyer
 

I have come across objects that can't be activated from the keyboard at all. Not even the simulated mouse click keys will work. This is a clear viol.ation of
accessibilityh guidelines.

John

On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 03:19:41PM -0600, Gene wrote:
A lot of clickable objects can be activated with enter. But as with other structures, some web page designers don't make them respond to enter so you have to use other ways, such as the simulated mouse, which is evidently one of the things you use.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Sile via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Clickable objects on webpages


Hello


I have come across lists of clickable objects on a webpage that are not
links and that do not appear when you enter edit mode either. They can
be clicked with a mouse, but don't respond to enter or space.


Is there another way to access clickable things like this with NVDA?


--Sile






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Re: Clickable objects on webpages

Monte Single
 

Sometimes when enter does not work, I bring up the list with insert
F7 and then enter on the item I want. Why this happens I don't know.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sile via Groups.Io
Sent: November-19-19 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Clickable objects on webpages

Hello


I have come across lists of clickable objects on a webpage that are not links and that do not appear when you enter edit mode either. They can be clicked with a mouse, but don't respond to enter or space.


Is there another way to access clickable things like this with NVDA?


--Sile

Re: Clickable objects on webpages

Gene
 

A lot of clickable objects can be activated with enter.  But as with other structures, some web page designers don't make them respond to enter so you have to use other ways, such as the simulated mouse, which is evidently one of the things you use.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 3:09 PM
Subject: [nvda] Clickable objects on webpages

Hello


I have come across lists of clickable objects on a webpage that are not
links and that do not appear when you enter edit mode either.  They can
be clicked with a mouse, but don't respond to enter or space.


Is there another way to access clickable things like this with NVDA?


--Sile




Clickable objects on webpages

Sile
 

Hello


I have come across lists of clickable objects on a webpage that are not links and that do not appear when you enter edit mode either.  They can be clicked with a mouse, but don't respond to enter or space.


Is there another way to access clickable things like this with NVDA?


--Sile

Getting NVDA to Stop Announcing Volume Level

kelby carlson
 

In the latest Windows update, NVDA now always announces the volume
level when I increase or decrease it with the keyboard. Is there a way
to stop this behavior?

--
Kelby Carlson

Re: help with Clip Contents Designer add on please

Luke
 

Hi Luke! Thank you! That was very kind of you to take time out of your day and share your knowledge with lil‘ ol‘ me. Both problems are now solved thanks to you. You are right it is near the bottom I’ve simply just missed it. That was my first input Jester And I did have a little trouble with NVDA excepting a new key combination but I got it figured out. As for the second issue you mentioned that when you download this add on you have the option to turn copy emulation on or off… This is probably true but I don’t remember having the option and I don’t know if I turned it on or off LOL. I should have mentioned yesterday that yes, I did see the Checkbox“ Confirm to emulate copy“ But it was already unchecked. I have been messing around in there And this is weird but the check box is now checked but I am not getting the dialogue box anymore. I did something in there and I’m not sure what I did. I know that’s not helpful but things are working for me. Thanks again Luke. Never under estimate the power of a Luke😎

On Nov 19, 2019, at 4:33 AM, Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:

Hi Luke. I don't use this add-on, but I went and installed it to see if I could answer your question. The things I'll do for people with the same name... :)

You wrote:

I am hoping to
do a input gesture and change the copy added text to clipboard command which is NVDA + windows + C to something else because that key combination is too
awkward for me. I have never done a input gesture before. I went to preferences, input gestures, text review and saw that 1 of the 2 key board commands
this add on uses is there which is described as clear the clipboard in the manual, but when in the text review menu it says’ Deletes the added text and
the content of the clipboard “ . I can’t find the command I want to change with a input gesture which is NVDA + windows + c which adds selected text to the
clipboard. I am thinking if one of the two commands are there the other is hopefully there too. Does anybody know where I can find it?
You have to go way down to the bottom of the Text review subtree. Quite near the end, you will find this:

Retrieves the selected string or the text from the previously set start marker up to and including the current position of the review cursor, and adds it to the clipboard.

Expand that item, go down one, and you will find what you're looking for.

Also, Since I have
downloaded this add on every time I use the plain copy to clipboard NVDA + C, I get a dialogue box coming up saying if I want to confirm and copy to the
clipboard. That displeases me very much LOL. Very annoying Lol. Does anyone know how to get rid of that? I did go to, preferences, settings, then Clip
Contents Designer and there was options in there, but couldn’t find what I was looking for.
Yeah, that's the place. Go there again. Tab over to "Select the actions which require previous confirmation". Once there, press down arrow until you get to the checkbox "Confirm to emulate copy", and uncheck it.
You had the option to turn copy emulation on or off when installing the add-on--apparently you said yes at that time.
Anyway, uncheck it, tab to OK, press it, and you should have the desired behavior.

You may also want to turn off "Confirm to emulate cut" while you're at it.
However, before turning either of them off, look at the following combo box. You may just want to change when those confirmations happen. The default is "always", but there are two other options that may be more to your liking without turning off the emulation options.

Hth.

Luke (one of the other ones)


Re: NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Jaffar Sidek
 

Anyway, I wouldn't use jaws with any Java IDES except for Eclipse.  For some reason, Jaws lags very badly with IntelliJ based IDES and also with NetBeans.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 2:48 PM, Henk Mulder wrote:
Then I would ave to install Jaws just for the test, and I'dd rather not do that. There's a reason why I switched to NVDA: It just meets my needs a lot more.

Best,
Henk

Op 19/11/2019 om 01:56 schreef Gene:
As a test, have you considered using a JAWS demo?  If the problem isn't corrected quickly enough, and if the program works with JAWS, a monthly JAWS license might meet your needs.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

I am aware of the accessibility history of IntelliJ. It is getting better though. Partly because Android Studio is also based on IntelliJ, and for Android Studio they do seem to work a little bit on accessibility.
For me the choice for IntelliJ is more because that is what's being used in industry. Since all my colleagues use IntelliJ, and Eclipse does not support the way our project is organized, I rather use what everyone else is using (if possible).
However the problem I have is not with IntelliJ accessibility. I think there is a problem with NVDA and the Java access bridge in general. I was hoping that someone might have a solution to that.
I'm also using JDK8, since that's what I require for our project. I am running the latest update (JDK/JRE 1.8.0_231), so I assume I also have the most up-to-date access bridge included.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 21:27 schreef Jaffar Sidek:

HI.  IntelliJ Idea has had problems with accessibility since time immemorial.  Perhaps you would consider eclipse?  Or if it is Android programming you are in to, then Android Studio?  Those aren't the best accessibility wise, but they do work much better with NVDA.  Also, you might want to check if you have the Latest version of the Java SDK as they concequently come with the latest version of the Java Access Bridge.  I have no idea of the degree of accessibility of versions later then version 8 though because I have stuck to Java 8 and all it's builds since it's inception.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 12:19 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
Hello Gene,

Unfortunately that won't help. IntelliJ is a Java application. Therefore you need the Java Access bridge in order to be able to use it with NVDA. The problem is that the Java Access Bridge will only load if the accessibility service is running. Thus if NVDA is not running while I start the application, I won't be able to work with the program since the access bridge isn't loaded.
On a similar note: if you restart NVDA while working with the program, you also lose the access bridge and need to restart the program as well.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 16:19 schreef Gene:
What happens if you unload NVDA, run the other program, then run NVDA again?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hi,

Using NVDA 2019.2.1, NVDA randomly freezes when I open IntelliJ IDE
(Community edition 2019.2.4).
When it happens, NVDA hangs and won't report anything (also when
switching to other applications with alt+tab). Also IntelliJ hangs and
will not open the current project. The only thing I can do is to start
Windows Narrator, which does keep working, and end the IntelliJ process
via the task manager. When the IntelliJ process is killed NVDA unfreezes.

Is there a way to make sure, or to increase the chance, that I can start
IntelliJ without NVDA and IntelliJ locking each other?

When NVDA is back I have the following snippet in the log viewer:

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (10:08:48.759):
Core frozen in stack:
   File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>
   File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
   File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
   File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
   File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 663, in processFocusWinEvent
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 534, in winEventToNVDAEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 412, in
findOverlayClasses
   File "JABHandler.pyo", line 707, in isJavaWindow

Best,
Henk





Re: NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Jaffar Sidek
 

Is IntelliJ open source or is there a trial version?  I would like to give it a spin and see if it will react the same way on my machine and see if there is a work around.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 2:37 PM, Henk Mulder wrote:
It is on a fresh install of Windows. So the JDK, JRE (both X64 and X86) and the access bridge are freshly installed.
I know the access bridge is working, since I can access the "Configure Java"  application. I can also work with IntellliJ, ass long as it will correctly start. But half the time it freezes when starting IntelliJ.

Best,
Henk

Op 19/11/2019 om 03:48 schreef Shaun Everiss:

In addition, java will not update its dlls right if they are being used on windows 10.

So you can 1.  update java, restart, then reinstall java to put the dlls back or run narator to update java which is what I do when updating java its not a big issue as java doesn't update all the time.



On 19/11/2019 2:26 pm, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

Yup Java Access Bridge seems to be a problem in terms of stability.  I don't know if you are using a 64 bit machine.  If this is so, perhaps you might like to check if the appropriate WindowsAccessBridge.dll is in the appropriate windows/system32 or windows/SysWOW directories.  so WindowsAccessBridge-64.dll should be in the windows/system32 directory and WindowsAccessBridge.dll should be in the windows/SysWOW directory.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 5:51 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
I am aware of the accessibility history of IntelliJ. It is getting better though. Partly because Android Studio is also based on IntelliJ, and for Android Studio they do seem to work a little bit on accessibility.
For me the choice for IntelliJ is more because that is what's being used in industry. Since all my colleagues use IntelliJ, and Eclipse does not support the way our project is organized, I rather use what everyone else is using (if possible).
However the problem I have is not with IntelliJ accessibility. I think there is a problem with NVDA and the Java access bridge in general. I was hoping that someone might have a solution to that.
I'm also using JDK8, since that's what I require for our project. I am running the latest update (JDK/JRE 1.8.0_231), so I assume I also have the most up-to-date access bridge included.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 21:27 schreef Jaffar Sidek:

HI.  IntelliJ Idea has had problems with accessibility since time immemorial.  Perhaps you would consider eclipse?  Or if it is Android programming you are in to, then Android Studio?  Those aren't the best accessibility wise, but they do work much better with NVDA.  Also, you might want to check if you have the Latest version of the Java SDK as they concequently come with the latest version of the Java Access Bridge.  I have no idea of the degree of accessibility of versions later then version 8 though because I have stuck to Java 8 and all it's builds since it's inception.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 12:19 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
Hello Gene,

Unfortunately that won't help. IntelliJ is a Java application. Therefore you need the Java Access bridge in order to be able to use it with NVDA. The problem is that the Java Access Bridge will only load if the accessibility service is running. Thus if NVDA is not running while I start the application, I won't be able to work with the program since the access bridge isn't loaded.
On a similar note: if you restart NVDA while working with the program, you also lose the access bridge and need to restart the program as well.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 16:19 schreef Gene:
What happens if you unload NVDA, run the other program, then run NVDA again?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hi,

Using NVDA 2019.2.1, NVDA randomly freezes when I open IntelliJ IDE
(Community edition 2019.2.4).
When it happens, NVDA hangs and won't report anything (also when
switching to other applications with alt+tab). Also IntelliJ hangs and
will not open the current project. The only thing I can do is to start
Windows Narrator, which does keep working, and end the IntelliJ process
via the task manager. When the IntelliJ process is killed NVDA unfreezes.

Is there a way to make sure, or to increase the chance, that I can start
IntelliJ without NVDA and IntelliJ locking each other?

When NVDA is back I have the following snippet in the log viewer:

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (10:08:48.759):
Core frozen in stack:
   File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>
   File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
   File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
   File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
   File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 663, in processFocusWinEvent
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 534, in winEventToNVDAEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 412, in
findOverlayClasses
   File "JABHandler.pyo", line 707, in isJavaWindow

Best,
Henk





Re: NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi.  Last I tried to use PyCharm a few months back, it wasn't at all accessible.  A few Python enabled IDES have come along, like Leclipse which is really Eclipse for Python development, VSCode on which you can install the Python development tools and Visual studio which is more of the same but with more bells and whistles.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 10:51 AM, Tony Malykh wrote:

Is PyCharm fully accessible now? Are there any tricks to set it up with NVDA?

I remember trying PyCharm a couple of years ago and it appeared to b not accessible at all - just wondering if things have improved since then?


On 11/18/2019 4:26 PM, Larry Wang wrote:

I have to restart PyCharm if NVDA is restarted. While WebStorm does not have this issue.

Maybe you can contact JetBrains.

On 2019/11/19 5:51, Henk Mulder wrote:
I am aware of the accessibility history of IntelliJ. It is getting better though. Partly because Android Studio is also based on IntelliJ, and for Android Studio they do seem to work a little bit on accessibility.
For me the choice for IntelliJ is more because that is what's being used in industry. Since all my colleagues use IntelliJ, and Eclipse does not support the way our project is organized, I rather use what everyone else is using (if possible).
However the problem I have is not with IntelliJ accessibility. I think there is a problem with NVDA and the Java access bridge in general. I was hoping that someone might have a solution to that.
I'm also using JDK8, since that's what I require for our project. I am running the latest update (JDK/JRE 1.8.0_231), so I assume I also have the most up-to-date access bridge included.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 21:27 schreef Jaffar Sidek:

HI.  IntelliJ Idea has had problems with accessibility since time immemorial.  Perhaps you would consider eclipse?  Or if it is Android programming you are in to, then Android Studio?  Those aren't the best accessibility wise, but they do work much better with NVDA.  Also, you might want to check if you have the Latest version of the Java SDK as they concequently come with the latest version of the Java Access Bridge.  I have no idea of the degree of accessibility of versions later then version 8 though because I have stuck to Java 8 and all it's builds since it's inception.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 12:19 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
Hello Gene,

Unfortunately that won't help. IntelliJ is a Java application. Therefore you need the Java Access bridge in order to be able to use it with NVDA. The problem is that the Java Access Bridge will only load if the accessibility service is running. Thus if NVDA is not running while I start the application, I won't be able to work with the program since the access bridge isn't loaded.
On a similar note: if you restart NVDA while working with the program, you also lose the access bridge and need to restart the program as well.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 16:19 schreef Gene:
What happens if you unload NVDA, run the other program, then run NVDA again?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hi,

Using NVDA 2019.2.1, NVDA randomly freezes when I open IntelliJ IDE
(Community edition 2019.2.4).
When it happens, NVDA hangs and won't report anything (also when
switching to other applications with alt+tab). Also IntelliJ hangs and
will not open the current project. The only thing I can do is to start
Windows Narrator, which does keep working, and end the IntelliJ process
via the task manager. When the IntelliJ process is killed NVDA unfreezes.

Is there a way to make sure, or to increase the chance, that I can start
IntelliJ without NVDA and IntelliJ locking each other?

When NVDA is back I have the following snippet in the log viewer:

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (10:08:48.759):
Core frozen in stack:
   File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>
   File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
   File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
   File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
   File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 663, in processFocusWinEvent
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 534, in winEventToNVDAEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 412, in
findOverlayClasses
   File "JABHandler.pyo", line 707, in isJavaWindow

Best,
Henk




Re: NVDA Announcing Highlighted Text in Microsoft Word #msftaccessibility

justinekylloe@...
 

Thank you for the response Quentin. 

Much appreciated! 
--
Justine K.
TVI/COMS

Re: help with Clip Contents Designer add on please

Luke Davis
 

Hi Luke. I don't use this add-on, but I went and installed it to see if I could answer your question. The things I'll do for people with the same name... :)

You wrote:

I am hoping to
do a input gesture and change the copy added text to clipboard  command which is NVDA + windows + C to something else because that key combination is too
awkward for me. I have never done a input gesture before.  I went to preferences, input gestures, text review and saw that 1  of the 2 key board commands
this add on uses is there which is described as  clear the clipboard  in the manual, but  when in the text review menu it says’ Deletes the added text and
the content of the clipboard “ . I can’t find the command I want to change with a input gesture which is  NVDA + windows + c which adds selected text to the
clipboard. I am thinking if one of the two commands are there the other is hopefully there too. Does anybody know where I can find it?
You have to go way down to the bottom of the Text review subtree. Quite near the end, you will find this:

Retrieves the selected string or the text from the previously set start marker up to and including the current position of the review cursor, and adds it to the clipboard.

Expand that item, go down one, and you will find what you're looking for.

Also, Since I have
downloaded this add on  every time I use the  plain copy to clipboard NVDA + C, I get a dialogue box coming up  saying  if I want to confirm and copy to the
clipboard. That displeases me very much LOL. Very annoying Lol.  Does anyone know how  to get rid of that?  I did go to, preferences, settings,  then Clip
Contents Designer   and there was options in there, but couldn’t find what I was looking for.
Yeah, that's the place. Go there again. Tab over to "Select the actions which require previous confirmation". Once there, press down arrow until you get to the checkbox "Confirm to emulate copy", and uncheck it.
You had the option to turn copy emulation on or off when installing the add-on--apparently you said yes at that time.
Anyway, uncheck it, tab to OK, press it, and you should have the desired behavior.

You may also want to turn off "Confirm to emulate cut" while you're at it.
However, before turning either of them off, look at the following combo box. You may just want to change when those confirmations happen. The default is "always", but there are two other options that may be more to your liking without turning off the emulation options.

Hth.

Luke (one of the other ones)

Re: NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

 

Then its probably not the bridge.



On 19/11/2019 7:37 pm, Henk Mulder wrote:
It is on a fresh install of Windows. So the JDK, JRE (both X64 and X86) and the access bridge are freshly installed.
I know the access bridge is working, since I can access the "Configure Java"  application. I can also work with IntellliJ, ass long as it will correctly start. But half the time it freezes when starting IntelliJ.

Best,
Henk

Op 19/11/2019 om 03:48 schreef Shaun Everiss:

In addition, java will not update its dlls right if they are being used on windows 10.

So you can 1.  update java, restart, then reinstall java to put the dlls back or run narator to update java which is what I do when updating java its not a big issue as java doesn't update all the time.



On 19/11/2019 2:26 pm, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

Yup Java Access Bridge seems to be a problem in terms of stability.  I don't know if you are using a 64 bit machine.  If this is so, perhaps you might like to check if the appropriate WindowsAccessBridge.dll is in the appropriate windows/system32 or windows/SysWOW directories.  so WindowsAccessBridge-64.dll should be in the windows/system32 directory and WindowsAccessBridge.dll should be in the windows/SysWOW directory.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 5:51 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
I am aware of the accessibility history of IntelliJ. It is getting better though. Partly because Android Studio is also based on IntelliJ, and for Android Studio they do seem to work a little bit on accessibility.
For me the choice for IntelliJ is more because that is what's being used in industry. Since all my colleagues use IntelliJ, and Eclipse does not support the way our project is organized, I rather use what everyone else is using (if possible).
However the problem I have is not with IntelliJ accessibility. I think there is a problem with NVDA and the Java access bridge in general. I was hoping that someone might have a solution to that.
I'm also using JDK8, since that's what I require for our project. I am running the latest update (JDK/JRE 1.8.0_231), so I assume I also have the most up-to-date access bridge included.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 21:27 schreef Jaffar Sidek:

HI.  IntelliJ Idea has had problems with accessibility since time immemorial.  Perhaps you would consider eclipse?  Or if it is Android programming you are in to, then Android Studio?  Those aren't the best accessibility wise, but they do work much better with NVDA.  Also, you might want to check if you have the Latest version of the Java SDK as they concequently come with the latest version of the Java Access Bridge.  I have no idea of the degree of accessibility of versions later then version 8 though because I have stuck to Java 8 and all it's builds since it's inception.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 12:19 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
Hello Gene,

Unfortunately that won't help. IntelliJ is a Java application. Therefore you need the Java Access bridge in order to be able to use it with NVDA. The problem is that the Java Access Bridge will only load if the accessibility service is running. Thus if NVDA is not running while I start the application, I won't be able to work with the program since the access bridge isn't loaded.
On a similar note: if you restart NVDA while working with the program, you also lose the access bridge and need to restart the program as well.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 16:19 schreef Gene:
What happens if you unload NVDA, run the other program, then run NVDA again?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hi,

Using NVDA 2019.2.1, NVDA randomly freezes when I open IntelliJ IDE
(Community edition 2019.2.4).
When it happens, NVDA hangs and won't report anything (also when
switching to other applications with alt+tab). Also IntelliJ hangs and
will not open the current project. The only thing I can do is to start
Windows Narrator, which does keep working, and end the IntelliJ process
via the task manager. When the IntelliJ process is killed NVDA unfreezes.

Is there a way to make sure, or to increase the chance, that I can start
IntelliJ without NVDA and IntelliJ locking each other?

When NVDA is back I have the following snippet in the log viewer:

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (10:08:48.759):
Core frozen in stack:
   File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>
   File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
   File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
   File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
   File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 663, in processFocusWinEvent
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 534, in winEventToNVDAEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 412, in
findOverlayClasses
   File "JABHandler.pyo", line 707, in isJavaWindow

Best,
Henk





Re: Keynote for NVDA

Luke Davis
 

If you follow that advice, you should also include add-on updater and Windows 10 App Essentials.

Luke

On Tue, 19 Nov 2019, Larry Wang wrote:

You can build a preconfigured portable version with addon installed
On 2019/11/17 14:51, Sky Mundell wrote:

Hello everybody and the NVDA Conference folks. Sky here. I wanted to let you guys know that I went on TeamTalk and listened to the keynote, and
it was the greatest keynote I ever heard! I am also very happy that it is being sustainable for the future and so on and so forth. As an
adaptive technology specialist training blind folks how to use screen reading software I can tell you folks that I defenatly do training on
NVDA, and my clients enjoy it too!  however, I am finding a shortcoming with it that I think could be addressed in future versions, and I will
list it below.

Often times when I train on NVDA, one of the first things I will do is I will download the clipboard speak add-on, so that the client knows when
they have copied text to the clipboard. Is there any chance that this function could be put into the core? The reason is that it would save
myself from having to add the function and it would also help some of my less technically minded clients. Because often times, as we all know,
the less technically minded clients want things to be able to work straight out of the box, and they’re not going to fight with their screen
reader just to get something to work. Thanks, Sky.
--
Luke Davis
Moderator: the new NVDA Help mailing list! (https://groups.io/g/NVDAHelp)
Author: Debug Helper NVDA add-on (https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/debugHelper.en.html)

Re: Keynote for NVDA

Larry Wang
 

You can build a preconfigured portable version with addon installed

On 2019/11/17 14:51, Sky Mundell wrote:

Hello everybody and the NVDA Conference folks. Sky here. I wanted to let you guys know that I went on TeamTalk and listened to the keynote, and it was the greatest keynote I ever heard! I am also very happy that it is being sustainable for the future and so on and so forth. As an adaptive technology specialist training blind folks how to use screen reading software I can tell you folks that I defenatly do training on NVDA, and my clients enjoy it too!  however, I am finding a shortcoming with it that I think could be addressed in future versions, and I will list it below.

Often times when I train on NVDA, one of the first things I will do is I will download the clipboard speak add-on, so that the client knows when they have copied text to the clipboard. Is there any chance that this function could be put into the core? The reason is that it would save myself from having to add the function and it would also help some of my less technically minded clients. Because often times, as we all know, the less technically minded clients want things to be able to work straight out of the box, and they’re not going to fight with their screen reader just to get something to work. Thanks, Sky.

Re: NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Henk Mulder
 

Then I would ave to install Jaws just for the test, and I'dd rather not do that. There's a reason why I switched to NVDA: It just meets my needs a lot more.

Best,
Henk

Op 19/11/2019 om 01:56 schreef Gene:

As a test, have you considered using a JAWS demo?  If the problem isn't corrected quickly enough, and if the program works with JAWS, a monthly JAWS license might meet your needs.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

I am aware of the accessibility history of IntelliJ. It is getting better though. Partly because Android Studio is also based on IntelliJ, and for Android Studio they do seem to work a little bit on accessibility.
For me the choice for IntelliJ is more because that is what's being used in industry. Since all my colleagues use IntelliJ, and Eclipse does not support the way our project is organized, I rather use what everyone else is using (if possible).
However the problem I have is not with IntelliJ accessibility. I think there is a problem with NVDA and the Java access bridge in general. I was hoping that someone might have a solution to that.
I'm also using JDK8, since that's what I require for our project. I am running the latest update (JDK/JRE 1.8.0_231), so I assume I also have the most up-to-date access bridge included.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 21:27 schreef Jaffar Sidek:

HI.  IntelliJ Idea has had problems with accessibility since time immemorial.  Perhaps you would consider eclipse?  Or if it is Android programming you are in to, then Android Studio?  Those aren't the best accessibility wise, but they do work much better with NVDA.  Also, you might want to check if you have the Latest version of the Java SDK as they concequently come with the latest version of the Java Access Bridge.  I have no idea of the degree of accessibility of versions later then version 8 though because I have stuck to Java 8 and all it's builds since it's inception.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 12:19 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
Hello Gene,

Unfortunately that won't help. IntelliJ is a Java application. Therefore you need the Java Access bridge in order to be able to use it with NVDA. The problem is that the Java Access Bridge will only load if the accessibility service is running. Thus if NVDA is not running while I start the application, I won't be able to work with the program since the access bridge isn't loaded.
On a similar note: if you restart NVDA while working with the program, you also lose the access bridge and need to restart the program as well.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 16:19 schreef Gene:
What happens if you unload NVDA, run the other program, then run NVDA again?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hi,

Using NVDA 2019.2.1, NVDA randomly freezes when I open IntelliJ IDE
(Community edition 2019.2.4).
When it happens, NVDA hangs and won't report anything (also when
switching to other applications with alt+tab). Also IntelliJ hangs and
will not open the current project. The only thing I can do is to start
Windows Narrator, which does keep working, and end the IntelliJ process
via the task manager. When the IntelliJ process is killed NVDA unfreezes.

Is there a way to make sure, or to increase the chance, that I can start
IntelliJ without NVDA and IntelliJ locking each other?

When NVDA is back I have the following snippet in the log viewer:

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (10:08:48.759):
Core frozen in stack:
   File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>
   File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
   File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
   File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
   File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 663, in processFocusWinEvent
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 534, in winEventToNVDAEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 412, in
findOverlayClasses
   File "JABHandler.pyo", line 707, in isJavaWindow

Best,
Henk





Re: NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Henk Mulder
 

I know PyCharm has the same issues. It is also a flavour of IntelliJ. Didn't know that WebStorm does not have the problem with reloading NVDA while it is running. Isn't WebStorm also a flavour of IntelliJ? In that case it might be worth while to contact JetBrains.

Best,
Henk

Op 19/11/2019 om 01:26 schreef Larry Wang:

I have to restart PyCharm if NVDA is restarted. While WebStorm does not have this issue.

Maybe you can contact JetBrains.

On 2019/11/19 5:51, Henk Mulder wrote:
I am aware of the accessibility history of IntelliJ. It is getting better though. Partly because Android Studio is also based on IntelliJ, and for Android Studio they do seem to work a little bit on accessibility.
For me the choice for IntelliJ is more because that is what's being used in industry. Since all my colleagues use IntelliJ, and Eclipse does not support the way our project is organized, I rather use what everyone else is using (if possible).
However the problem I have is not with IntelliJ accessibility. I think there is a problem with NVDA and the Java access bridge in general. I was hoping that someone might have a solution to that.
I'm also using JDK8, since that's what I require for our project. I am running the latest update (JDK/JRE 1.8.0_231), so I assume I also have the most up-to-date access bridge included.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 21:27 schreef Jaffar Sidek:

HI.  IntelliJ Idea has had problems with accessibility since time immemorial.  Perhaps you would consider eclipse?  Or if it is Android programming you are in to, then Android Studio?  Those aren't the best accessibility wise, but they do work much better with NVDA.  Also, you might want to check if you have the Latest version of the Java SDK as they concequently come with the latest version of the Java Access Bridge.  I have no idea of the degree of accessibility of versions later then version 8 though because I have stuck to Java 8 and all it's builds since it's inception.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 12:19 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
Hello Gene,

Unfortunately that won't help. IntelliJ is a Java application. Therefore you need the Java Access bridge in order to be able to use it with NVDA. The problem is that the Java Access Bridge will only load if the accessibility service is running. Thus if NVDA is not running while I start the application, I won't be able to work with the program since the access bridge isn't loaded.
On a similar note: if you restart NVDA while working with the program, you also lose the access bridge and need to restart the program as well.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 16:19 schreef Gene:
What happens if you unload NVDA, run the other program, then run NVDA again?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hi,

Using NVDA 2019.2.1, NVDA randomly freezes when I open IntelliJ IDE
(Community edition 2019.2.4).
When it happens, NVDA hangs and won't report anything (also when
switching to other applications with alt+tab). Also IntelliJ hangs and
will not open the current project. The only thing I can do is to start
Windows Narrator, which does keep working, and end the IntelliJ process
via the task manager. When the IntelliJ process is killed NVDA unfreezes.

Is there a way to make sure, or to increase the chance, that I can start
IntelliJ without NVDA and IntelliJ locking each other?

When NVDA is back I have the following snippet in the log viewer:

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (10:08:48.759):
Core frozen in stack:
   File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>
   File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
   File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
   File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
   File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 663, in processFocusWinEvent
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 534, in winEventToNVDAEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 412, in
findOverlayClasses
   File "JABHandler.pyo", line 707, in isJavaWindow

Best,
Henk