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Re: the Screen Curtain NVDA addon

mattias
 

I cant find the screen curtain function in the manual?

 

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Från: Quentin Christensen
Skickat: den 24 september 2019 11:07
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] the Screen Curtain NVDA addon

 

You mean the built-in screen curtain in the latest alphas?  There's no user interface for it yet, that is correct - you can enable it by editing the appropriate file.  If you're not sure, hang in there and wait - it will have options in the settings dialog as the add-on version does now.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 6:50 PM mattias <mjonsson1986@...> wrote:

Seems litle useless

It can be installed but not used

Because no choice to use it

Tested with latest 2019.3 snapshot

 

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Re: the Screen Curtain NVDA addon

mattias
 

I find the addon on the official NVDA addon page

And i misset the text that the addon will be discontinued when the function are in NVDA itself

 

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Från: Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
Skickat: den 24 september 2019 13:35
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] the Screen Curtain NVDA addon

 

your message is so vaig!   what do you mean you can't use it?   it is

clearly stated that you meed to disable the addon if your running alpha

and then you need to go into the input settings of nvda and make your

own keyboard shortcut to have it work it does work fantastic well,   if

I have misunderstood I am sorry but if not you should really be a bit

more careful before posting things that are just not accurate.

 

On 24/09/2019 09:49, mattias wrote:

> Seems litle useless

>

> It can be installed but not used

>

> Because no choice to use it

>

> Tested with latest 2019.3 snapshot

>

> Skickades från E-post <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>

> för Windows 10

>

>

 

 

 

Re: the Screen Curtain NVDA addon

 

On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 07:35 AM, Kevin Cussick wrote:
it is clearly stated that you meed to disable the addon if your running alpha and then you need to go into the input settings of nvda and make your own keyboard shortcut to have it work
Kevin, it appears that some, but not yourself, live by the old adage, "When all else fails, read the instructions."

There's a very good reason that the acronym RTFM came into existence.  Would that more did, even if that's only skimming it or looking in the table of contents/index when issues arise.
 
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Re: the Screen Curtain NVDA addon

Kevin Cussick
 

your message is so vaig! what do you mean you can't use it? it is clearly stated that you meed to disable the addon if your running alpha and then you need to go into the input settings of nvda and make your own keyboard shortcut to have it work it does work fantastic well, if I have misunderstood I am sorry but if not you should really be a bit more careful before posting things that are just not accurate.

On 24/09/2019 09:49, mattias wrote:
Seems litle useless
It can be installed but not used
Because no choice to use it
Tested with latest 2019.3 snapshot
Skickades från E-post <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> för Windows 10

Re: possible fix for the problem with nvda and thunderbird

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, I have posted this before sorry for anyone who already has seen this but it might just help. using speedy fox might help as well. I have around 10 machines that I maintain and just do not see this on any of them. and they all tb on them. anyway some instructions below this is not my own work so I can't take any credit if it does help. good luck.

General sluggishness with Thunderbird. I have a feeling, though,
that this is a Thunderbird issue and nothing to do with NVDA.
Try disabling Tools -> Options -> Advanced -> Enable Global Search and
Indexer. Note that this isn't accessibility or screen reader specific,
but I personally found that global search didn't help me and was a
performance killer.

On 24/09/2019 03:36, zahra wrote:
hi.
do thunderbird 52 or 60 work properly?
which version do you use that you mention its terrible?
On 9/24/19, brian <bsackrider55@...> wrote:
Today my thunder bird was worse than ever.  Every time I read a message
and I went to the next message my nvda would stop talking.  I had to
restart nvda and then thunder bird said it's not responding.  I
maxumised thunder bird and that seems to have solved the problem for
now.  When I had the problem it was on normal window.

Brian Saackrider




Re: German Braille Input

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Sascha, I found a site with a German braille table:

https://www.pharmabraille.com/braille-codes/germany-braille-codes/

 

 

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From: Sascha Cowley via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 10:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] German Braille Input

 

Hello all,

I took ownership of my Braille display - a Braille Edge 40 - yesterday, and thus far, I've been able to work out how to do most things I want/need to do with it.

However, I'm having trouble inputting German Braille. When, for example, I try to insert "ä", i get "`" instead. Braille output, however, is fine. I've had a look at the Braille Table files, and it would appear that dots345 is assigned to at least two things, and I'm assuming this is where the problem is: NVDA (or rather Liblouis) doesn't know which one I want to enter.

Does anyone know where I'm going wrong, or if there is some sort of fix for this problem? Please keep in mind that I only started learning German at the start of the year, and am completely new to German Braille.


Thanks in advance,
Sascha

 

Re: German Braille Input

Bianka Brankovic
 

Hi Sascha and list,

 

the signs fort he Umlauts differ whether you are using six-dot or 8-dot braille.

 

I usually don’t use braille input so would have to research the exact braille signs myself.

 

From your description I would guess your braille table has been set to 8-dot braille which is the normal setting for computers.

 

You could do two things here: try to set the braille table to six dot braille.

-          Input the umlauts in 8-dot braille.

 

Hope that helps to see things a bit clearer.

 

Kind regards,

 

Bianka

 

   

Re: German Braille Input

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

You have me curious. I wonder if the Edge has a way to change languages. BTW, if you need the manual in text let me know and I will send you a link.

 

******If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning start?***     

 

From: Sascha Cowley via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 10:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] German Braille Input

 

Hello all,

I took ownership of my Braille display - a Braille Edge 40 - yesterday, and thus far, I've been able to work out how to do most things I want/need to do with it.

However, I'm having trouble inputting German Braille. When, for example, I try to insert "ä", i get "`" instead. Braille output, however, is fine. I've had a look at the Braille Table files, and it would appear that dots345 is assigned to at least two things, and I'm assuming this is where the problem is: NVDA (or rather Liblouis) doesn't know which one I want to enter.

Does anyone know where I'm going wrong, or if there is some sort of fix for this problem? Please keep in mind that I only started learning German at the start of the year, and am completely new to German Braille.


Thanks in advance,
Sascha

 

Re: the Screen Curtain NVDA addon

Quentin Christensen
 

You mean the built-in screen curtain in the latest alphas?  There's no user interface for it yet, that is correct - you can enable it by editing the appropriate file.  If you're not sure, hang in there and wait - it will have options in the settings dialog as the add-on version does now.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 6:50 PM mattias <mjonsson1986@...> wrote:

Seems litle useless

It can be installed but not used

Because no choice to use it

Tested with latest 2019.3 snapshot

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 



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the Screen Curtain NVDA addon

mattias
 

Seems litle useless

It can be installed but not used

Because no choice to use it

Tested with latest 2019.3 snapshot

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

Re: Can't open settings dialogues in NVDA 2019.2.

Quentin Christensen
 

I haven't had any other reports of it, so I expect the issue must not be too widespread.  SO, what I would try firstly is restart NVDA with add-ons disabled, and see if that makes a difference.  If it does, check whether there are updates for any of your add-ons, and also try disabling all your add-ons and enabling them one at a time to see which is the culprit.  Failing all that, send me a copy of your NVDA log as while it might not give you any audible errors, there's hopefully something in the log.

Ok, so first, to restart NVDA with add-ons disabled:  Press NVDA+Q, down arrow to restart with add-ons disabled and press enter.  If you can't get into the NVDA+q dialog - either because you disabled it in settings previously, or because it's one of the dialogs not working, press WINDOWS+R to bring up a run dialog, type the following and press enter:

nvda --disable-addons

To get a copy of your log, look in your %temp% folder.  To get to that, press WINDOWS+R type %temp% and press enter, and look for the nvda.log and nvda_old.log files, and send both to info@...

It might also be worth starting NVDA with log level debug to capture as much as possible before grabbing those logs.  To do that, press WINDOWS+R and type:

nvda --debug-logging

Note you can combine that with disabling addons by using both flags:

nvda --disable-addons --debug-logging  

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 5:36 PM Darrell Shandrow Hilliker <darrell.shandrow@...> wrote:

Hello Everyone,

 

Does no one else ever experience this issue?

 

It seems strange completely removing and re-installing NVDA does not correct the issue.

 

It turns out no NVDA-generated dialogue boxes show up.

 

Press Caps Lock + N, go into Preferences, and select any menu item that leads to a dialogue box. Nothing at all. No error messages. Nothing.

 

Are there some shared NVDA components installed somewhere else I should remove before trying again?

 

Thanks,

 

Darrell

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Darrell Shandrow Hilliker via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 7:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Can't open settings dialogues in NVDA 2019.2.

 

Hello Everyone,

 

I seem to be unable to open important settings dialogues, such as General or Speech, in NVDA 2019.2.

 

I am running Windows 10 Home (latest 1903 update).

 

I have already removed and re-installed NVDA from the ground up without success.

 

Any other ideas?

 

Thanks,

 

Darrell

 



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Re: Can't open settings dialogues in NVDA 2019.2.

Darrell Shandrow Hilliker
 

Hello Everyone,

 

Does no one else ever experience this issue?

 

It seems strange completely removing and re-installing NVDA does not correct the issue.

 

It turns out no NVDA-generated dialogue boxes show up.

 

Press Caps Lock + N, go into Preferences, and select any menu item that leads to a dialogue box. Nothing at all. No error messages. Nothing.

 

Are there some shared NVDA components installed somewhere else I should remove before trying again?

 

Thanks,

 

Darrell

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Darrell Shandrow Hilliker via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 7:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Can't open settings dialogues in NVDA 2019.2.

 

Hello Everyone,

 

I seem to be unable to open important settings dialogues, such as General or Speech, in NVDA 2019.2.

 

I am running Windows 10 Home (latest 1903 update).

 

I have already removed and re-installed NVDA from the ground up without success.

 

Any other ideas?

 

Thanks,

 

Darrell

 

NVDA Alpha 18747 and Browse Mode

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

I am having some serious issues with the NVDA Alpha  18747 build and Browse mode.  I am experiencing errors when attempting to activate browse mode, and also when attempting to traverse through a multiline edit box such as the Gmail compose editor. Is anyone else seeing this?

ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (22:16:51.465) - MainThread (12508):
error executing event: focusEntered on <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.ia2Web.Ia2Web object at 0x0B2F3650> with extra args of {}
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 155, in executeEvent
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 92, in __init__
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 1030, in event_focusEntered
  File "speech\__init__.pyc", line 385, in speakObject
  File "speech\__init__.pyc", line 254, in speakObjectProperties
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 145, in _getPropertyViaCache
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 1109, in _get_rowNumber
_ctypes.COMError: (-2147467259, 'Unspecified error', (None, None, None, 0, None))
ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (22:16:51.475) - MainThread (12508):
error executing event: focusEntered on <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.ia2Web.Ia2Web object at 0x0B2F3050> with extra args of {}
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 155, in executeEvent
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 92, in __init__
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 1030, in event_focusEntered
  File "speech\__init__.pyc", line 385, in speakObject
  File "speech\__init__.pyc", line 254, in speakObjectProperties
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 145, in _getPropertyViaCache
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 1109, in _get_rowNumber
_ctypes.COMError: (-2147467259, 'Unspecified error', (None, None, None, 0, None))
ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (22:16:51.487) - MainThread (12508):
error executing event: focusEntered on <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.ia2Web.Ia2Web object at 0x04BCCF90> with extra args of {}
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 155, in executeEvent
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 92, in __init__
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 1030, in event_focusEntered
  File "speech\__init__.pyc", line 385, in speakObject
  File "speech\__init__.pyc", line 254, in speakObjectProperties
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 145, in _getPropertyViaCache
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 1109, in _get_rowNumber
_ctypes.COMError: (-2147467259, 'Unspecified error', (None, None, None, 0, None))
ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (22:16:51.498) - MainThread (12508):
error executing event: gainFocus on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_EditableTextWithAutoSelectDetectionEditorIa2WebIAccessible object at 0x0B312330> with extra args of {}
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "speech\__init__.pyc", line 390, in speakObject
  File "documentBase.pyc", line 24, in makeTextInfo
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\ia2TextMozilla.pyc", line 107, in __init__
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\ia2TextMozilla.pyc", line 166, in _getSelectionBase
RuntimeError: No selection or caret

During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 155, in executeEvent
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 92, in __init__
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
  File "NVDAObjects\behaviors.pyc", line 180, in event_gainFocus
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 1036, in event_gainFocus
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 922, in reportFocus
  File "speech\__init__.pyc", line 399, in speakObject
  File "documentBase.pyc", line 24, in makeTextInfo
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\ia2TextMozilla.pyc", line 88, in __init__
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\ia2TextMozilla.pyc", line 205, in _findContentDescendant
LookupError: Object has no text descendants

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Re: learning python or any other programing language with nvda

Sascha Cowley
 

I first learned Python with the book Python Crash Course, 2nd Edition. Admittedly I had prior programming experience, but I also often skimmed parts because they explained things I already knew. Overall I found it to be a very clearly written and fun book. I used the ePub version, and don't remember having any accessibility issues with it at all.

German Braille Input

Sascha Cowley
 

Hello all,

I took ownership of my Braille display - a Braille Edge 40 - yesterday, and thus far, I've been able to work out how to do most things I want/need to do with it.

However, I'm having trouble inputting German Braille. When, for example, I try to insert "ä", i get "`" instead. Braille output, however, is fine. I've had a look at the Braille Table files, and it would appear that dots345 is assigned to at least two things, and I'm assuming this is where the problem is: NVDA (or rather Liblouis) doesn't know which one I want to enter.

Does anyone know where I'm going wrong, or if there is some sort of fix for this problem? Please keep in mind that I only started learning German at the start of the year, and am completely new to German Braille.


Thanks in advance,
Sascha

Re: my problem with nvda and thunder bird is not gone after all

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

You can create other folders but you will have to manually move the emails into them. As for key commands

Control 1 mail

Control 2 calendar

Control people

 

******If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning start?***     

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 4:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my problem with nvda and thunder bird is not gone afterall

 

I don’t have a lits of commands but it works like any other program. The only thing you can’t do with the mail app is to organize messages into different folders like you can in other programs. Other than that, it’s not that much different. It’s pretty easy to set up. See the other Brian’s message on setting up the mail app.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: brian
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my problem with nvda and thunder bird is not gone afterall

 

    I do have windows 10 but I have not tried the mail app.  Do you have a list of the key comands for the mail app?

Brian Sackrider

On 9/23/2019 6:03 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Brian,

 

Have you thought of trying the mail app or do you have windows 10? The mail app works great with NVDA.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: brian
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] my problem with nvda and thunder bird is not gone after all

 

I only have the problem with thunder bird nvda just stops talking and it

takes several times to get nvda restarted.  I have the add on for

modzilla inhancements.  This problem just keeps getting worse.  We need

annother email program or a fix for this problem.

 

Brian Sackrider

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re: possible fix for the problem with nvda and thunderbird

 

hi.
do thunderbird 52 or 60 work properly?
which version do you use that you mention its terrible?

On 9/24/19, brian <bsackrider55@...> wrote:
Today my thunder bird was worse than ever.  Every time I read a message
and I went to the next message my nvda would stop talking.  I had to
restart nvda and then thunder bird said it's not responding.  I
maxumised thunder bird and that seems to have solved the problem for
now.  When I had the problem it was on normal window.

Brian Saackrider




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Re: NVDA and accessible kindle book

Hope Williamson <hopeisjoyful@...>
 

That voice is also part of NVDA and narrator, and you can increase the speed.

Re: NVDA and accessible kindle book

Aravind R
 

if book is designed as kindle for pc enabled or screen reader
supported which you can see in book description while purchasing, you
can determine whether NVDA can read that or not.

On 9/24/19, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:
Thanks for the reference to how to increase speed; that is a bit better,
but that voice still isn't what I want. Can't have it all, I guess.


I'd still like to understand why NVDA can't read the text if it is
there, which it clearly must be, or the Kindle tts wouldn't be able to
read it. Thanks for all the suggestions. I think I'll pass on calling
Amazon accessibility. I have had really frustrating experiences with
them every time I have interacted either on the phone or via email.


Mary

On 9/23/2019 3:55 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


Also off the same page but this is for its own text to speech plus if
you use nvda on a book.


You can have Kindle for PC read out your books with the in built text
to speech engine. The short cuts to run Kindle for Pc  are below.

To use these shortcuts, you must enable Text-to-Speech first. Press
"Ctrl,T" or select the Tools menu and chose Start Text-to-Speech.
• Toggle Text-to-Speech - Ctrl, T
• Pause or resume reading - Space bar (while in a book)
• Read the previous sentence - Ctrl, Shift, Up arrow
• Skip forward one sentence - Ctrl, Shift, Down arrow
• Increase speech rate - Shift, +
• Decrease speech rate - Shift, -
• Toggle continuous reading - Ctrl, Shift, C
Note: This feature only works on eligible Kindle content. You can
configure the Text-to-Speech language from the System Preferences on
your computer.

if you choose to use NVDA to read out your books please see the
following 2 sections one been in the Kindle for Pc shortcuts section
which is found under the help F1 menu. You will need to locate the
shortcuts section and refer to the section about NVDA.

Navigating Within Tables (NVDA)
• Go to the next table - T
• Go to the previous table - Shift + T
• Enter first cell - Shift + ,
• Cell to right - Ctrl + Alt + rightArrow
• Cell to left - Ctrl + Alt + leftArrow
• Cell above - Ctrl + Alt + upArrow
• Cell below - Ctrl + Alt + downArrow
• Next (Previous) link - K (Shift + K)
• Next (Previous) image - G (Shift + G)
• Exit table - ,


 The other section is found  in the NVDA user manual called 10.8.
Kindle for PC


NVDA supports reading and navigating books in Amazon Kindle for PC.
This functionality is only available in Kindle books designated with
"Screen Reader: Supported" which you can check on the details page for
the book.


Gene nz

On 24/09/2019 10:43 AM, Stephen wrote:
What do I do if i want to read a kindle book on my PC and it isn't
screen reader supported? is there an option available?
At 06:19 AM 9/24/2019, you wrote:

Hi


You probably already know what to look for but it needs to be screen
reader enabled.


Below is off my web site for the kindle tutorial and what to look
for it is off my nvda tutorials for other programs page.



When you locate a book, press the Enter key on it to get more
information. The next page should tell you what the name of the
author is, a brief description of the book, the price and a brief
description of the following types of information ...for example
Read more. If you want NVDA to read your book, you will need to look
for Screen reader: Supported.
An example of the type of information that you might find is given
below:

Product details
Format: Kindle Edition
File Size: 1634 KB
Print Length: 226 pages
Simultaneous Device Usage: Unlimited
Publisher: Bella Books (15 March 2019)
Sold by: Amazon Australia Services, Inc.
Language: English
ASIN: B07PG5555P
Text-to-Speech: Enabled
X-Ray: Not Enabled
Word Wise: Enabled
Screen Reader: Supported
Enhanced Typesetting: Enabled





Gene nz


On 24/09/2019 6:35 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
Well, both advanced type setting and text to speech are enabled for
the book, so there goes that theory.


Mary

On 9/23/2019 10:25 AM, John Isige wrote:
I'm guessing somebody already told you. In order for Kindle PC to
read
books with a screen reader, it either needs to say it's screen reader
accessible/enabled or whatever they call it, or that it has enhanced
type/typesetting in the book's info. I don't know *why* Amazon set
things up that way, I'm assuming fights with publishers, but I think
that's not the case for some reason with their Kindle apps for mobile
devices. So I suspect what's happening is that this mystery book
doesn't
have the required feature enabled, so NVDA can't see it. Of course, I
could be entirely wrong, but that's my guess.


On 9/23/2019 9:40, Mary Otten wrote:
Hi Hope,


If I could choose the sysnthesizer and the speed, I guess I wouldn't
mind letting the Kindle app do the reading. But the synthesizer they
use and the speed with which it reads are both losers in my book. If
the tts within the Kindle application can see the text, and voice
over
can see the text, why can't NVDA see it without having to do a
page by
page ocr?


Mary

On 9/23/2019 7:07 AM, Hope Williamson wrote:
When I'm reading a Kindle book. I exit NVDA, and let the Kindle do
the reading. Sometimes I start narrator, but it's really
unnecessary.

On 9/23/2019 7:01 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
NVDA plus r does yield text. Turning off the synthesizer within
the
Kindle app with control t doesn't do anything for nvda, i.e. it
still doesn't read anything. there is obviously text here, or else
the book wouldn't read on my phone. But for whatever reason, NVDA
isn't seeing the text unless you do an ocr. That's not an
efficient
way to read a book. I'd sure like to know what's up with Kindle
for
pc here.


Mary

On 9/23/2019 3:22 AM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
What happens if you use the NVDA key and are to scan the image.
Does it find anything?

Sile
On Sep 22, 2019, at 6:24 PM, Mary Otten
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wrote:

Hi folks,


This might not turn out to be an NVDA issue, but ...


I use the Kindle for PC with NVDA as well as my phone to read
Kindle books. I just purchased one which, when I open it, a
voice
automatically starts reading at a speed that I did not set.
It is
apparently the tts that goes into action when the Kindle app
starts reading something, kind of like what happens when you
tell
Acrobat reader to read out loud.


In the case of this book, NVDA sees no text at all. All the
menus
work. But when I do an insert down to start a read all from the
selected chapter in the table of contents, nothing is read by
NVDA. On my phone using the Voice Over screen reader, this book
reads just fine, thank you very much.


I am aware that there are a few books that you can't read with a
screen reader, period. But this doesn't seem to be one of those,
since it is working fine on my phone. Is there some setting I'm
missing that would allow me to use NVDA and my preferred
voice and
speed over the speech that comes from the Kindle program itself?


Mary


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Re: NVDA and accessible kindle book

Mary Otten
 

Thanks for the reference to how to increase speed; that is a bit better, but that voice still isn't what I want. Can't have it all, I guess.


I'd still like to understand why NVDA can't read the text if it is there, which it clearly must be, or the Kindle tts wouldn't be able to read it. Thanks for all the suggestions. I think I'll pass on calling Amazon accessibility. I have had really frustrating experiences with them every time I have interacted either on the phone or via email.


Mary

On 9/23/2019 3:55 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


Also off the same page but this is for its own text to speech plus if you use nvda on a book.


You can have Kindle for PC read out your books with the in built text to speech engine. The short cuts to run Kindle for Pc  are below.

To use these shortcuts, you must enable Text-to-Speech first. Press "Ctrl,T" or select the Tools menu and chose Start Text-to-Speech.
• Toggle Text-to-Speech - Ctrl, T
• Pause or resume reading - Space bar (while in a book)
• Read the previous sentence - Ctrl, Shift, Up arrow
• Skip forward one sentence - Ctrl, Shift, Down arrow
• Increase speech rate - Shift, +
• Decrease speech rate - Shift, -
• Toggle continuous reading - Ctrl, Shift, C
Note: This feature only works on eligible Kindle content. You can configure the Text-to-Speech language from the System Preferences on your computer.

if you choose to use NVDA to read out your books please see the following 2 sections one been in the Kindle for Pc shortcuts section which is found under the help F1 menu. You will need to locate the shortcuts section and refer to the section about NVDA.

Navigating Within Tables (NVDA)
• Go to the next table - T
• Go to the previous table - Shift + T
• Enter first cell - Shift + ,
• Cell to right - Ctrl + Alt + rightArrow
• Cell to left - Ctrl + Alt + leftArrow
• Cell above - Ctrl + Alt + upArrow
• Cell below - Ctrl + Alt + downArrow
• Next (Previous) link - K (Shift + K)
• Next (Previous) image - G (Shift + G)
• Exit table - ,


 The other section is found  in the NVDA user manual called 10.8. Kindle for PC


NVDA supports reading and navigating books in Amazon Kindle for PC. This functionality is only available in Kindle books designated with "Screen Reader: Supported" which you can check on the details page for the book.


Gene nz

On 24/09/2019 10:43 AM, Stephen wrote:
What do I do if i want to read a kindle book on my PC and it isn't screen reader supported? is there an option available?
At 06:19 AM 9/24/2019, you wrote:

Hi


You probably already know what to look for but it needs to be screen reader enabled.


Below is off my web site for the kindle tutorial and what to look for it is off my nvda tutorials for other programs page.



When you locate a book, press the Enter key on it to get more information. The next page should tell you what the name of the author is, a brief description of the book, the price and a brief description of the following types of information ...for example Read more. If you want NVDA to read your book, you will need to look for Screen reader: Supported.
An example of the type of information that you might find is given below:

Product details
Format: Kindle Edition
File Size: 1634 KB
Print Length: 226 pages
Simultaneous Device Usage: Unlimited
Publisher: Bella Books (15 March 2019)
Sold by: Amazon Australia Services, Inc.
Language: English
ASIN: B07PG5555P
Text-to-Speech: Enabled
X-Ray: Not Enabled
Word Wise: Enabled
Screen Reader: Supported
Enhanced Typesetting: Enabled





Gene nz


On 24/09/2019 6:35 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
Well, both advanced type setting and text to speech are enabled for the book, so there goes that theory.


Mary

On 9/23/2019 10:25 AM, John Isige wrote:
I'm guessing somebody already told you. In order for Kindle PC to read
books with a screen reader, it either needs to say it's screen reader
accessible/enabled or whatever they call it, or that it has enhanced
type/typesetting in the book's info. I don't know *why* Amazon set
things up that way, I'm assuming fights with publishers, but I think
that's not the case for some reason with their Kindle apps for mobile
devices. So I suspect what's happening is that this mystery book doesn't
have the required feature enabled, so NVDA can't see it. Of course, I
could be entirely wrong, but that's my guess.


On 9/23/2019 9:40, Mary Otten wrote:
Hi Hope,


If I could choose the sysnthesizer and the speed, I guess I wouldn't
mind letting the Kindle app do the reading. But the synthesizer they
use and the speed with which it reads are both losers in my book. If
the tts within the Kindle application can see the text, and voice over
can see the text, why can't NVDA see it without having to do a page by
page ocr?


Mary

On 9/23/2019 7:07 AM, Hope Williamson wrote:
When I'm reading a Kindle book. I exit NVDA, and let the Kindle do
the reading. Sometimes I start narrator, but it's really unnecessary.

On 9/23/2019 7:01 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
NVDA plus r does yield text. Turning off the synthesizer within the
Kindle app with control t doesn't do anything for nvda, i.e. it
still doesn't read anything. there is obviously text here, or else
the book wouldn't read on my phone. But for whatever reason, NVDA
isn't seeing the text unless you do an ocr. That's not an efficient
way to read a book. I'd sure like to know what's up with Kindle for
pc here.


Mary

On 9/23/2019 3:22 AM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
What happens if you use the NVDA key and are to scan the image.
Does it find anything?

Sile
On Sep 22, 2019, at 6:24 PM, Mary Otten <maryotten@...>
wrote:

Hi folks,


This might not turn out to be an NVDA issue, but ...


I use the Kindle for PC with NVDA as well as my phone to read
Kindle books. I just purchased one which, when I open it, a voice
automatically starts reading at a speed that I did not set. It is
apparently the tts that goes into action when the Kindle app
starts reading something, kind of like what happens when you tell
Acrobat reader to read out loud.


In the case of this book, NVDA sees no text at all. All the menus
work. But when I do an insert down to start a read all from the
selected chapter in the table of contents, nothing is read by
NVDA. On my phone using the Voice Over screen reader, this book
reads just fine, thank you very much.


I am aware that there are a few books that you can't read with a
screen reader, period. But this doesn't seem to be one of those,
since it is working fine on my phone. Is there some setting I'm
missing that would allow me to use NVDA and my preferred voice and
speed over the speech that comes from the Kindle program itself?


Mary














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To find out which library networks in New Zealand have a copy of the NVDA screen reader on them and there library locations please go to http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nz%20libraries%20with%20nvda.html
To find a NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
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To find out which library networks in New Zealand have a copy of the NVDA screen reader on them and there library locations please go to http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nz%20libraries%20with%20nvda.html
To find a NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.