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Re: Editing of Windows onecore voices

 

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 11:48 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
cimviation
I can't find that word in any dictionary, but that's beside the point, as there's lots of jargon that doesn't appear in many general purpose dictionaries.

I can't think of a single synthesizer that pronounces everything correctly.  And that's but one of the reasons for the dictionary feature of most screen readers where you can substitute some phonetic spelling that, somehow, the synthesizer does produce correctly that's unrelated to the actual spelling of a given word.  I've had to do trial and error until I found a letter pattern that gave me the actual pronunciation I wanted for a low frequency word.
 
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Re: Libra Office Calc

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Chris,

 

The address to subscribe to the chat group is chat+subscribe@nvda.groups.io.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 5:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Libra Office Calc

 

 

Hi

Is there anyone using Libra Office Calc that could explain how to format numeric columns such that a fixed number of decimal places is displayed without truncating trailing zeroes?  For example I want to display 123.40 not 123.4.

 

I appreciate this message belongs on the chat list, so could some kind person please furnish me with the NVDA Chat list email address and details of how to subscribe?

 

Cheers

Chris

NVDA/Jaws

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

If I have to switch to Jaws to tandem someone when I return to NVDA it feels very sluggish and I have to reboot my pc for it to be normal again. has anyone else had this experience?
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Something to think about, Since God has forgiven it, who are you to keep picking it back up!

Re: Editing of Windows onecore voices

Sarah k Alawami
 

I'm actually thinking of submittin gfeedback as one core cannot prounce cimviation. They all say it as simviatushin. Or something like that. How? I dunno. Lol!

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On 16 Feb 2020, at 22:15, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Marco,

You'll need to put your feedback in to Microsoft - the OneCore voices are built into Windows, NVDA just accesses them, it doesn't control how OneCore voices adjust pronunciation etc.  You could talk to the Disabilitry Answer Desk at: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/disability-answer-desk

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 8:33 PM Marco Oros <marco.oros93@...> wrote:
Hello.

MS Speech mobile isn't compatible for this version. I have one pleasure
to developers of NVDA.

Please, could You edit Windows Onecore to same things, as MS Speech
mobile, for example to correct pronunciation of letters and also, names
of voices viewing, as name of voice and language. Also, there is problem
with sorting of voices, because voices are sorted randomly.

Please, could You look on It?

Thank You.

best regards

Marco Oros






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Re: web page objects that require the use of the mouse

Jacob Kruger
 

NVDA key + numpad divide/slash key:

Moves the mouse pointer to the current navigator object


Not sure that will help on all webpages, but, HTH


Jacob Kruger
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Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2020-02-17 06:38 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:

Hi all,


I am trying to get some info from a field on the page but it says to use the mouse to view. I have looked at the object navigation methods after the suggestion on another list but I still can't figure this one out.


If there are any hams on this list who use the qrz.com site and know how to get the email address of someone on qrz.com using NVDA I sure would appreciate some help.


Thanks.

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web page objects that require the use of the mouse

Dan Beaver
 

Hi all,


I am trying to get some info from a field on the page but it says to use the mouse to view. I have looked at the object navigation methods after the suggestion on another list but I still can't figure this one out.


If there are any hams on this list who use the qrz.com site and know how to get the email address of someone on qrz.com using NVDA I sure would appreciate some help.


Thanks.

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Re: Question for NVDA Compiler Team?

David Ouimet
 

Thank you for your reply Quentin, I been using NVDA for backup speech since version 14 now & have seen a lot of great changes over that period. It has come a longways. Thank you to everyone that makes NVDA the great screen reader it is!

Re: Still no go with Vocalizer

Rui Fontes
 

Gerardo, your NVDA add-ons folder is already with lots of problems...

Do you want to make an remote access session?


Rui Fontes


Às 15:06 de 17/02/2020, Gerardo Corripio escreveu:

For the benefit of others who might have trouble with Vocalizer with the new VDA 2019.3.1, here’s my log; with the Compac English voices Rui shared on here, no luck either; the Vocalizer menu doesn’t show either nor do the voices themselves show up within the Synth menu.

INFO - __main__ (09:01:56.797) - MainThread (9992):

Starting NVDA version 2019.3.1

INFO - core.main (09:01:57.604) - MainThread (9992):

Config dir: C:\Users\gerac\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (09:01:57.609) - MainThread (9992):

Loading config: C:\Users\gerac\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (09:01:57.879) - MainThread (9992):

Using Windows version 10.0.18363 workstation

INFO - core.main (09:01:57.879) - MainThread (9992):

Using Python version 3.7.5 (tags/v3.7.5:5c02a39a0b, Oct 14 2019, 23:09:19) [MSC v.1916 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (09:01:57.879) - MainThread (9992):

Using comtypes version 1.1.7

INFO - core.main (09:01:57.879) - MainThread (9992):

Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1

ERROR - addonHandler.completePendingAddonInstalls (09:01:58.014) - MainThread (9992):

Failed to complete addon installation for vocalizer-expressive-voice-english Compact

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "addonHandler\__init__.pyc", line 120, in completePendingAddonInstalls

FileExistsError: [WinError 183] No se puede crear un archivo que ya existe: 'C:\\Users\\gerac\\AppData\\Roaming\\nvda\\addons\\vocalizer-expressive-voice-english Compact.pendingInstall' -> 'C:\\Users\\gerac\\AppData\\Roaming\\nvda\\addons\\vocalizer-expressive-voice-english Compact'

WARNING - addonHandler._report_manifest_errors (09:01:58.059) - MainThread (9992):

Error loading manifest:

{'name': True, 'summary': VdtTypeError('the value "[\'Nuance Vocalizer Expressive - english Compact Voices (Australia\', \'British\', \'Irish\', \'Scotish\', \'South African and United States)\']" is of the wrong type.'), 'description': True, 'author': True, 'version': True, 'minimumNVDAVersion': True, 'lastTestedNVDAVersion': True, 'url': True, 'docFileName': True}

ERROR - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:01:58.059) - MainThread (9992):

Error loading Addon from path: C:\Users\gerac\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive-voice-english Compact

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "addonHandler\__init__.pyc", line 195, in _getAvailableAddonsFromPath

  File "addonHandler\__init__.pyc", line 297, in __init__

addonHandler.AddonError: Manifest file has errors.

WARNING - addonHandler._report_manifest_errors (09:01:58.064) - MainThread (9992):

Error loading manifest:

{'name': True, 'summary': VdtTypeError('the value "[\'Nuance Vocalizer Expressive - Portuguese and Spanish Compact Voices (Argentina\', \'Basque\', \'Brazil\', \'Cataluna\', \'Colombia\', \'Galician\', \'Mexico\', \'Portugal and Spain)\']" is of the wrong type.'), 'description': True, 'author': True, 'version': True, 'minimumNVDAVersion': True, 'lastTestedNVDAVersion': True, 'url': True, 'docFileName': True}

ERROR - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:01:58.064) - MainThread (9992):

Error loading Addon from path: C:\Users\gerac\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive-voice-portugueseAndSpanish Compact Voices

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "addonHandler\__init__.pyc", line 195, in _getAvailableAddonsFromPath

  File "addonHandler\__init__.pyc", line 297, in __init__

addonHandler.AddonError: Manifest file has errors.

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (09:01:58.934) - MainThread (9992):

Loaded synthDriver ibmeci

INFO - core.main (09:01:59.144) - MainThread (9992):

Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 with six version 1.12.0

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (09:01:59.144) - MainThread (9992):

Braille input initialized

INFO - braille.initialize (09:01:59.154) - MainThread (9992):

Using liblouis version 3.10.0

INFO - braille.initialize (09:01:59.159) - MainThread (9992):

Using pySerial version 3.4

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (09:01:59.164) - MainThread (9992):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - core.main (09:01:59.589) - MainThread (9992):

Java Access Bridge support initialized

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (09:01:59.613) - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThread (6272):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6

INFO - core.main (09:02:02.902) - MainThread (9992):

NVDA initialized

 

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the edward voice

Jacob Kruger
 

Along the lines of the discussion on the list...


All I did was install a portable copy of NVDA 2019.2.1, and, install the speechPlayerInEspeak add-on under it.


Then, under that portable copy installation, I browsed to the following relative path:

\userConfig\addons\speechPlayerInEspeak\synthDrivers\espeak-data\voices\!v

From there, I copied the file called edward over to the following path, which falls under my actual installed copy of NVDA 2019.3 rc1:
C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\synthDrivers\espeak-ng-data\voices\!v


It did prompt me to continue with administrator privileges when trying to copy the file under program files, but, that's standard.


Anyway, when I now select the eSpeak-NG synthesizer, I can now select the edward variant from the list.

Now, I still myself prefer the normal eSpeak-NG gene variant, but, HTH

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

Re: Question for NVDA Compiler Team?

 

To be honest, I don't see it dieing even if it did drop out from release even now.

For starters, nvda's really strong point is that it relies a lot on in built things from the os.

So if its got a problem, chances are your windows has a problem or your hardware has a problem, ie it will effect more than just nvda.

Its written in a really good scripting language.

With bgt and the false positive thing, and all sorts of things if anything is to get gleened from this, any potential programmer will now know that python is rock solid for writing a screen reader and thats no mean feet.

If it can run something as important as a screen reader and plugins for it then a game from blind to sighted or anything else for that matter is possible.

Nvda just works out the box web related things, and since just about everything is chrome engine based these days even down to a lot of the newer cloud based apps nvda will work with it.

True there are cases for using comercial software but that no longer extends to the average user.

Naturally nvda like everything about will have its limitations, those limitations in my experience have to do with some of the older stuff which is not web enabled and I have a bit of that here and a few other things but for the most part it just works.

Nvda does not rely on drivers that need to run at startup or anything.

The only extra in a system for nvda is its service and that has not impaired users that are sighted as I have systems that I run nvda with sighted users so.

It seems to get round display issues and a few others to.

I am having a big issue with a program I am testing, yes its another reader, and that one has issues with my amd display but also a few issues with intel ones with accessing a certain menu, the start one.

Nvda doesn't care what drivers are installed or what is loaded, it just works.

Nvda doesn't care about anything bar itself.

Using internal libraries for its synths makes it a really fast option.

No third party synthesiser managers and video intercepts.

Opensource for the most part bar those addons like extra voices needing cash.

And I have had it in situations working with speech where a video card on a system was completely broken and couldn't process video at all.

It also does not need a screen to use it or anything.

I maintain systems without a screen attached.



On 18/02/2020 12:06 am, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Well as you say, it's been around since 2006 and we don't see it disappearing any time soon.  We have a fantastic team, a great community and NVDA is the most popular screen reader (according to the WebAIM survey:  https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey8/) so, I'm quite optimistic about the future!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 2:33 PM David Ouimet <whitewater2612@...> wrote:

Hi, I wanted to ask the ones on the NVDA compiler team this. I was thinking of using NVDA exclusively, well would use narrator as well too.  Do you see NVDA bein used for the long range future, Like LibreOffice has been? I know its been around since 2006, so that is a pretty good track record. I hope so!

 

Thanks, David

 



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Training and Support Manager


Still no go with Vocalizer

Gerardo Corripio
 

For the benefit of others who might have trouble with Vocalizer with the new VDA 2019.3.1, here’s my log; with the Compac English voices Rui shared on here, no luck either; the Vocalizer menu doesn’t show either nor do the voices themselves show up within the Synth menu.

INFO - __main__ (09:01:56.797) - MainThread (9992):

Starting NVDA version 2019.3.1

INFO - core.main (09:01:57.604) - MainThread (9992):

Config dir: C:\Users\gerac\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (09:01:57.609) - MainThread (9992):

Loading config: C:\Users\gerac\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (09:01:57.879) - MainThread (9992):

Using Windows version 10.0.18363 workstation

INFO - core.main (09:01:57.879) - MainThread (9992):

Using Python version 3.7.5 (tags/v3.7.5:5c02a39a0b, Oct 14 2019, 23:09:19) [MSC v.1916 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (09:01:57.879) - MainThread (9992):

Using comtypes version 1.1.7

INFO - core.main (09:01:57.879) - MainThread (9992):

Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1

ERROR - addonHandler.completePendingAddonInstalls (09:01:58.014) - MainThread (9992):

Failed to complete addon installation for vocalizer-expressive-voice-english Compact

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "addonHandler\__init__.pyc", line 120, in completePendingAddonInstalls

FileExistsError: [WinError 183] No se puede crear un archivo que ya existe: 'C:\\Users\\gerac\\AppData\\Roaming\\nvda\\addons\\vocalizer-expressive-voice-english Compact.pendingInstall' -> 'C:\\Users\\gerac\\AppData\\Roaming\\nvda\\addons\\vocalizer-expressive-voice-english Compact'

WARNING - addonHandler._report_manifest_errors (09:01:58.059) - MainThread (9992):

Error loading manifest:

{'name': True, 'summary': VdtTypeError('the value "[\'Nuance Vocalizer Expressive - english Compact Voices (Australia\', \'British\', \'Irish\', \'Scotish\', \'South African and United States)\']" is of the wrong type.'), 'description': True, 'author': True, 'version': True, 'minimumNVDAVersion': True, 'lastTestedNVDAVersion': True, 'url': True, 'docFileName': True}

ERROR - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:01:58.059) - MainThread (9992):

Error loading Addon from path: C:\Users\gerac\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive-voice-english Compact

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "addonHandler\__init__.pyc", line 195, in _getAvailableAddonsFromPath

  File "addonHandler\__init__.pyc", line 297, in __init__

addonHandler.AddonError: Manifest file has errors.

WARNING - addonHandler._report_manifest_errors (09:01:58.064) - MainThread (9992):

Error loading manifest:

{'name': True, 'summary': VdtTypeError('the value "[\'Nuance Vocalizer Expressive - Portuguese and Spanish Compact Voices (Argentina\', \'Basque\', \'Brazil\', \'Cataluna\', \'Colombia\', \'Galician\', \'Mexico\', \'Portugal and Spain)\']" is of the wrong type.'), 'description': True, 'author': True, 'version': True, 'minimumNVDAVersion': True, 'lastTestedNVDAVersion': True, 'url': True, 'docFileName': True}

ERROR - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (09:01:58.064) - MainThread (9992):

Error loading Addon from path: C:\Users\gerac\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive-voice-portugueseAndSpanish Compact Voices

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "addonHandler\__init__.pyc", line 195, in _getAvailableAddonsFromPath

  File "addonHandler\__init__.pyc", line 297, in __init__

addonHandler.AddonError: Manifest file has errors.

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (09:01:58.934) - MainThread (9992):

Loaded synthDriver ibmeci

INFO - core.main (09:01:59.144) - MainThread (9992):

Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 with six version 1.12.0

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (09:01:59.144) - MainThread (9992):

Braille input initialized

INFO - braille.initialize (09:01:59.154) - MainThread (9992):

Using liblouis version 3.10.0

INFO - braille.initialize (09:01:59.159) - MainThread (9992):

Using pySerial version 3.4

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (09:01:59.164) - MainThread (9992):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - core.main (09:01:59.589) - MainThread (9992):

Java Access Bridge support initialized

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (09:01:59.613) - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThread (6272):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6

INFO - core.main (09:02:02.902) - MainThread (9992):

NVDA initialized

 

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Re: the edward voice

Bobby Vinton
 

no it wasn't it was Edward not edd.

On 2/17/2020 6:03 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Speech player is somewhat dusty on the back shelf, but eSpeak NG certainly still exists in NVDA.  If you install NVDA from scratch on a Windows 10 computer, it will use OneCore by default.  Press NVDA+control+v to open the voice settings.  Tab to the "change' (synthesizer) button and press ENTER.  Then, press HOME or the arrow keys to find eSpeak-NG and ENTER.  Next, TAB to the variant and select Ed from the list.  Is that the one your were after?

I'm not sure whether NV Speech player will be updated.  If there is anyone who is eager to update it and has the ability and interest to maintain it, let me know. (I'm not sure exactly what Mick wants to do with it yet, but if someone is interested, we can start the dialog).

Regards

Quentin.
Quentin.

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 1:32 PM Bobby Vinton <vinton.bobby5277@...> wrote:
Hay I was wondering if if you could please bring back the Edward voice
to nvda?  I love it so much and I am very sad that speech player and
espeek is gone.  I have requested this 4 months ago and nothing was
done.  So could you please add the Edward voice in nvda it self?






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Training and Support Manager


The period key not speaking

 

Hi Group,

Since I upgraded to 2019.3.1 the key for period is not speaking. There
is no issue with other punctuation keys.
Additionally NVDA does not read the word 'period'.
What could be the problem? Any ideas?

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Re: Speech on demand addon for NVDA, and a bug in Microsoft office

Gene
 

That may be from the application itself, but I think errors generally regarding an application come from Windows.  If something crashes, Windows informs you of the error. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech on demand addon for NVDA, and a bug in Microsoft office

Hi Gene,
Makes sense. To be honest, key conflicts never crossed my mind, because
the majority of shortcuts that NVDA use I've only really used in screen
readers, but of course there are some keys that aren't specifically tied
to the NVDA modifier and so that could cause problems.
The other thing that confused me is that sleep mode must be process
specific rather than window specific, because if I activate sleep mode
(for test purposes) in my email client (Thunderbird), sleep mode remains
in the message list and in the message reading window as well, so I
think it would also remain asleep during errors or other dialogs coming
from the application.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 17/02/2020 01:22 pm, Gene wrote:
> Sleep mode puts NVDA to sleep while in the window you execute the
> command in.  If you don't want speech in a certain Window, such as a
> self-voicing program, you can put NVDA to sleep there and it will be
> active in any other window.  the advantage instead of a universal speech
> off command is that if you get an error message or some other message
> from Windows, you will still be aware of it.  You can also move out of
> the window and do other things without turning speech on, then having to
> turn it off again.  If you are using an OCR program such as Kurzweil or
> Openbook for example, you would want to hear error messages such as
> scanning failed, which comes from the scanning part of the program, even
> if you are using a self-voicing OCR program and you want NVDA to be
> asleep. thus avoiding key conflicts as well.  It is an important feature.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Damien Garwood <mailto:damien@...>
> *Sent:* Monday, February 17, 2020 5:53 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Speech on demand addon for NVDA, and a bug in
> Microsoft office
>
> Hi,
> Sleep mode doesn't technically turn speech off, as it still speaks while
> alt+tabbing through windows. So I guess if you want it completely silent
> you'd have to turn speech off and then sleep mode on. But then again I
> guess in those circumstances you may as well just unload NVDA...
> To be honest though, I've personally never really seen a need for sleep
> mode. In JAWS, which takes control of the whole keyboard (or at least
> used to), it would seem logical to put it to sleep for playing games
> that use an input system like DirectX or whatever that is sure to
> interfere. But NVDA doesn't have such a limitation - I don't think
> there's a single game where I've had to put NVDA to sleep and the two
> have cooperated very nicely indeed. The one thing I do is to turn
> keyboard echo off so I don't get distracted by NVDA chattering at me
> every time I press a key, but yet I've got it for other things in case
> of crashes, errors or other dialogs that might show up. Add that to the
> beauty of configuration profiles, and you're laughing.
> Cheers,
> Damien.
>
> On 17/02/2020 11:11 am, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>  > Ah ok thanks.  The other option you can use to "pause" NVDA is sleep
>  > mode, which not only turns speech off, but disables the NVDA commands as
>  > well in case you need those for your application.  The command for sleep
>  > mode is NVDA+shift+s or in laptop keyboard layout, NVDA+shift+z.
>  >
>  > Kind regards
>  > Quentin.
>  >
>  > On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 9:30 PM Cuong Dang Manh
> <dangmanhcuong@... <mailto:dangmanhcuong@...>
>  > <mailto:dangmanhcuong@...>> wrote:
>  >
>  >     Hi Quentin
>  >     speech on demand works similar to Toggle Speech Mode command in
>  >     NVDA. As you know, it'll temporary turns speech off it case such as
>  > recordign streaming.
>  >     abdul muhamin, press NVDA+S for that feature. We have three mode:
>  >     speak, beeps and talks.
>  >     Let try
>  >     Cuong!
>  >     On 2/17/2020 2:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>  >>     What would such a speech on demand add-on do?
>  >>
>  >>     Are you using any add-ons or anything else?  I can't replicate the
>  >>     read only issue with Word myself. I'll keep thinking on what else
>  >>     it could be.
>  >>
>  >> Regards
>  >>
>  >> Quentin.
>  >>
>  >>     On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 11:08 PM abdul muhamin
>  >>     <abdulmuhamin600@... <mailto:abdulmuhamin600@...>
> <mailto:abdulmuhamin600@...>> wrote:
>  >>
>  >> Hi guys, is there a speech on demand like jaws, available for
>  >>         NVDA? I think it will be very useful in some of the apps.
>  >>
>  >> More over, I’m using ms office 2016 pro, with latest NVDA, and
>  >>         I’ve enabled UI automation, after opening any document in
>  >>         word, NVDA says read-only before reading a line, I think it’s
>  >>         a bug, and needed to be fix, because with UI automation
>  >>         enabled, NVDA response more better.
>  >>
>  >> Sent from Mail
>  >> <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     --
>  >>     Quentin Christensen
>  >>     Training and Support Manager
>  >>
>  >>     NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
>  >> https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/
>  >>
>  >> Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
> <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>  >> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>  >> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
>  >> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
>  >> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>  >> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > --
>  > Quentin Christensen
>  > Training and Support Manager
>  >
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Re: Speech on demand addon for NVDA, and a bug in Microsoft office

Damien Garwood
 

Hi Gene,
Makes sense. To be honest, key conflicts never crossed my mind, because the majority of shortcuts that NVDA use I've only really used in screen readers, but of course there are some keys that aren't specifically tied to the NVDA modifier and so that could cause problems.
The other thing that confused me is that sleep mode must be process specific rather than window specific, because if I activate sleep mode (for test purposes) in my email client (Thunderbird), sleep mode remains in the message list and in the message reading window as well, so I think it would also remain asleep during errors or other dialogs coming from the application.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 17/02/2020 01:22 pm, Gene wrote:
Sleep mode puts NVDA to sleep while in the window you execute the command in.  If you don't want speech in a certain Window, such as a self-voicing program, you can put NVDA to sleep there and it will be active in any other window.  the advantage instead of a universal speech off command is that if you get an error message or some other message from Windows, you will still be aware of it.  You can also move out of the window and do other things without turning speech on, then having to turn it off again.  If you are using an OCR program such as Kurzweil or Openbook for example, you would want to hear error messages such as scanning failed, which comes from the scanning part of the program, even if you are using a self-voicing OCR program and you want NVDA to be asleep. thus avoiding key conflicts as well.  It is an important feature.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Damien Garwood <mailto:@daygar>
*Sent:* Monday, February 17, 2020 5:53 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Speech on demand addon for NVDA, and a bug in Microsoft office
Hi,
Sleep mode doesn't technically turn speech off, as it still speaks while
alt+tabbing through windows. So I guess if you want it completely silent
you'd have to turn speech off and then sleep mode on. But then again I
guess in those circumstances you may as well just unload NVDA...
To be honest though, I've personally never really seen a need for sleep
mode. In JAWS, which takes control of the whole keyboard (or at least
used to), it would seem logical to put it to sleep for playing games
that use an input system like DirectX or whatever that is sure to
interfere. But NVDA doesn't have such a limitation - I don't think
there's a single game where I've had to put NVDA to sleep and the two
have cooperated very nicely indeed. The one thing I do is to turn
keyboard echo off so I don't get distracted by NVDA chattering at me
every time I press a key, but yet I've got it for other things in case
of crashes, errors or other dialogs that might show up. Add that to the
beauty of configuration profiles, and you're laughing.
Cheers,
Damien.
On 17/02/2020 11:11 am, Quentin Christensen wrote:
> Ah ok thanks.  The other option you can use to "pause" NVDA is sleep
> mode, which not only turns speech off, but disables the NVDA commands as
> well in case you need those for your application.  The command for sleep
> mode is NVDA+shift+s or in laptop keyboard layout, NVDA+shift+z.
>
> Kind regards
> Quentin.
>
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 9:30 PM Cuong Dang Manh
<@cuongdang <mailto:@cuongdang>
> <mailto:@cuongdang>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Quentin
>     speech on demand works similar to Toggle Speech Mode command in
>     NVDA. As you know, it'll temporary turns speech off it case such as
> recordign streaming.
>     abdul muhamin, press NVDA+S for that feature. We have three mode:
>     speak, beeps and talks.
>     Let try
>     Cuong!
>     On 2/17/2020 2:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>>     What would such a speech on demand add-on do?
>>
>>     Are you using any add-ons or anything else?  I can't replicate the
>>     read only issue with Word myself. I'll keep thinking on what else
>>     it could be.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>>     On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 11:08 PM abdul muhamin
>>     <abdulmuhamin600@... <mailto:abdulmuhamin600@...>
<mailto:abdulmuhamin600@...>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys, is there a speech on demand like jaws, available for
>>         NVDA? I think it will be very useful in some of the apps.
>>
>> More over, I’m using ms office 2016 pro, with latest NVDA, and
>>         I’ve enabled UI automation, after opening any document in
>>         word, NVDA says read-only before reading a line, I think it’s
>>         a bug, and needed to be fix, because with UI automation
>>         enabled, NVDA response more better.
>>
>> Sent from Mail
>> <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>>
>>
>>
>>     --
>>     Quentin Christensen
>>     Training and Support Manager
>>
>>     NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
>> https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/
>>
>> Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
<http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
>> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
> https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/
>
> Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
<http://www.nvaccess.org/>
> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>

Re: Speech on demand addon for NVDA, and a bug in Microsoft office

Gene
 

Sleep mode puts NVDA to sleep while in the window you execute the command in.  If you don't want speech in a certain Window, such as a self-voicing program, you can put NVDA to sleep there and it will be active in any other window.  the advantage instead of a universal speech off command is that if you get an error message or some other message from Windows, you will still be aware of it.  You can also move out of the window and do other things without turning speech on, then having to turn it off again.  If you are using an OCR program such as Kurzweil or Openbook for example, you would want to hear error messages such as scanning failed, which comes from the scanning part of the program, even if you are using a self-voicing OCR program and you want NVDA to be asleep. thus avoiding key conflicts as well.  It is an important feature.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech on demand addon for NVDA, and a bug in Microsoft office

Hi,
Sleep mode doesn't technically turn speech off, as it still speaks while
alt+tabbing through windows. So I guess if you want it completely silent
you'd have to turn speech off and then sleep mode on. But then again I
guess in those circumstances you may as well just unload NVDA...
To be honest though, I've personally never really seen a need for sleep
mode. In JAWS, which takes control of the whole keyboard (or at least
used to), it would seem logical to put it to sleep for playing games
that use an input system like DirectX or whatever that is sure to
interfere. But NVDA doesn't have such a limitation - I don't think
there's a single game where I've had to put NVDA to sleep and the two
have cooperated very nicely indeed. The one thing I do is to turn
keyboard echo off so I don't get distracted by NVDA chattering at me
every time I press a key, but yet I've got it for other things in case
of crashes, errors or other dialogs that might show up. Add that to the
beauty of configuration profiles, and you're laughing.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 17/02/2020 11:11 am, Quentin Christensen wrote:
> Ah ok thanks.  The other option you can use to "pause" NVDA is sleep
> mode, which not only turns speech off, but disables the NVDA commands as
> well in case you need those for your application.  The command for sleep
> mode is NVDA+shift+s or in laptop keyboard layout, NVDA+shift+z.
>
> Kind regards
> Quentin.
>
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 9:30 PM Cuong Dang Manh <dangmanhcuong@...
> <mailto:dangmanhcuong@...>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Quentin
>     speech on demand works similar to Toggle Speech Mode command in
>     NVDA. As you know, it'll temporary turns speech off it case such as
>     recordign streaming.
>     abdul muhamin, press NVDA+S for that feature. We have three mode:
>     speak, beeps and talks.
>     Let try
>     Cuong!
>     On 2/17/2020 2:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>>     What would such a speech on demand add-on do?
>>
>>     Are you using any add-ons or anything else?  I can't replicate the
>>     read only issue with Word myself.  I'll keep thinking on what else
>>     it could be.
>>
>>     Regards
>>
>>     Quentin.
>>
>>     On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 11:08 PM abdul muhamin
>>     <abdulmuhamin600@... <mailto:abdulmuhamin600@...>> wrote:
>>
>>         Hi guys, is there a speech on demand like jaws, available for
>>         NVDA? I think it will be very useful in some of the apps.
>>
>>         More over, I’m using ms office 2016 pro, with latest NVDA, and
>>         I’ve enabled UI automation, after opening any document in
>>         word, NVDA says read-only before reading a line, I think it’s
>>         a bug, and needed to be fix, because with UI automation
>>         enabled, NVDA response more better.
>>
>>         Sent from Mail
>>         <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>>
>>
>>
>>     --
>>     Quentin Christensen
>>     Training and Support Manager
>>
>>     NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
>>     https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/
>>
>>     Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>>     Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>     Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
>>     User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
>>     Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>     Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
> https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/
>
> Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>


Libra Office Calc

Chris Mullins
 

 

Hi

Is there anyone using Libra Office Calc that could explain how to format numeric columns such that a fixed number of decimal places is displayed without truncating trailing zeroes?  For example I want to display 123.40 not 123.4.

 

I appreciate this message belongs on the chat list, so could some kind person please furnish me with the NVDA Chat list email address and details of how to subscribe?

 

Cheers

Chris

Re: New Member Seeking Tutorials

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


did you open help and check out the key commands?

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 3:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] New Member Seeking Tutorials

Hello;

I am a new user and just subscribed to this list.  I wonder if one can obtain a daily digest of messages to this list?  Also I’m looking for a good comprehensive tutorisl.  I’ve seen lots of youtube posts that briefly cover one or two features of the program but nothing that I felt was very comprehensive.  I wonder if anyone has any suggestions?

Richard

Re: Speech on demand addon for NVDA, and a bug in Microsoft office

Chris Mullins
 

Hi
I may be totally off target here because it's a long time since I used
Jaws but is this referring to the Verbosity level in Jaws? When I
used it, there used to be 3 levels of verbosity you could set based on
your proficiency, the higher the level, the less information about the
environment inwhich you are focused is fed back to the user. You
could possibly create something like this using profiles and Document
formatting settings in NVDA.

Cheers
Chris

On 17/02/2020, Damien Garwood <@daygar> wrote:
Hi,
Sleep mode doesn't technically turn speech off, as it still speaks while
alt+tabbing through windows. So I guess if you want it completely silent
you'd have to turn speech off and then sleep mode on. But then again I
guess in those circumstances you may as well just unload NVDA...
To be honest though, I've personally never really seen a need for sleep
mode. In JAWS, which takes control of the whole keyboard (or at least
used to), it would seem logical to put it to sleep for playing games
that use an input system like DirectX or whatever that is sure to
interfere. But NVDA doesn't have such a limitation - I don't think
there's a single game where I've had to put NVDA to sleep and the two
have cooperated very nicely indeed. The one thing I do is to turn
keyboard echo off so I don't get distracted by NVDA chattering at me
every time I press a key, but yet I've got it for other things in case
of crashes, errors or other dialogs that might show up. Add that to the
beauty of configuration profiles, and you're laughing.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 17/02/2020 11:11 am, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Ah ok thanks. The other option you can use to "pause" NVDA is sleep
mode, which not only turns speech off, but disables the NVDA commands as
well in case you need those for your application. The command for sleep
mode is NVDA+shift+s or in laptop keyboard layout, NVDA+shift+z.

Kind regards
Quentin.

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 9:30 PM Cuong Dang Manh <@cuongdang
<mailto:@cuongdang>> wrote:

Hi Quentin
speech on demand works similar to Toggle Speech Mode command in
NVDA. As you know, it'll temporary turns speech off it case such as
recordign streaming.
abdul muhamin, press NVDA+S for that feature. We have three mode:
speak, beeps and talks.
Let try
Cuong!
On 2/17/2020 2:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
What would such a speech on demand add-on do?

Are you using any add-ons or anything else? I can't replicate the
read only issue with Word myself. I'll keep thinking on what else
it could be.

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 11:08 PM abdul muhamin
<abdulmuhamin600@... <mailto:abdulmuhamin600@...>>
wrote:

Hi guys, is there a speech on demand like jaws, available for
NVDA? I think it will be very useful in some of the apps.

More over, I’m using ms office 2016 pro, with latest NVDA, and
I’ve enabled UI automation, after opening any document in
word, NVDA says read-only before reading a line, I think it’s
a bug, and needed to be fix, because with UI automation
enabled, NVDA response more better.

Sent from Mail
<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>


--
Cheers
Chris

Re: Speech on demand addon for NVDA, and a bug in Microsoft office

Damien Garwood
 

Hi,
Sleep mode doesn't technically turn speech off, as it still speaks while alt+tabbing through windows. So I guess if you want it completely silent you'd have to turn speech off and then sleep mode on. But then again I guess in those circumstances you may as well just unload NVDA...
To be honest though, I've personally never really seen a need for sleep mode. In JAWS, which takes control of the whole keyboard (or at least used to), it would seem logical to put it to sleep for playing games that use an input system like DirectX or whatever that is sure to interfere. But NVDA doesn't have such a limitation - I don't think there's a single game where I've had to put NVDA to sleep and the two have cooperated very nicely indeed. The one thing I do is to turn keyboard echo off so I don't get distracted by NVDA chattering at me every time I press a key, but yet I've got it for other things in case of crashes, errors or other dialogs that might show up. Add that to the beauty of configuration profiles, and you're laughing.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 17/02/2020 11:11 am, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Ah ok thanks.  The other option you can use to "pause" NVDA is sleep mode, which not only turns speech off, but disables the NVDA commands as well in case you need those for your application.  The command for sleep mode is NVDA+shift+s or in laptop keyboard layout, NVDA+shift+z.
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 9:30 PM Cuong Dang Manh <@cuongdang <mailto:@cuongdang>> wrote:
Hi Quentin
speech on demand works similar to Toggle Speech Mode command in
NVDA. As you know, it'll temporary turns speech off it case such as
recordign streaming.
abdul muhamin, press NVDA+S for that feature. We have three mode:
speak, beeps and talks.
Let try
Cuong!
On 2/17/2020 2:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
What would such a speech on demand add-on do?

Are you using any add-ons or anything else?  I can't replicate the
read only issue with Word myself.  I'll keep thinking on what else
it could be.

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 11:08 PM abdul muhamin
<abdulmuhamin600@... <mailto:abdulmuhamin600@...>> wrote:

Hi guys, is there a speech on demand like jaws, available for
NVDA? I think it will be very useful in some of the apps.

More over, I’m using ms office 2016 pro, with latest NVDA, and
I’ve enabled UI automation, after opening any document in
word, NVDA says read-only before reading a line, I think it’s
a bug, and needed to be fix, because with UI automation
enabled, NVDA response more better.

Sent from Mail
<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/
Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>