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Re: Finding older versions of NVDA?

Kyle Borah
 

It is perfectly acceptable to run 2016.1 as a portable copy. Any particular reason you want 2015.4? also, running old versions of programs is a security risk. Newer versions of programs always patch up security wholes and bugs. A determined disassembler could have NVDA hacked just waiting to exploit an old buggy version. While not probable still possible.

Kyle

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From: Aravind R [mailto:aravind.andhrabank@...]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 9:31 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Finding older versions of NVDA?

Get NVDA from: http://www.nvaccess.org/

On 3/7/16, Matt Turner <meturner2214@...> wrote:
Hi, I'm looking for NVDA 2015.4, to use as a Portable copy.

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Re: Finding older versions of NVDA?

 

Matt,

          I'm not seeing any obvious "Get Older Versions" link for NVDA at the main NVDA website.  As it happens I still have a copy of the 2015.4 install program on my computer.  Please feel free to send me a private reply if you'd like me to zip it up and e-mail it to you (since virtually no e-mail programs allow you to send executable files as attachments in their native form - and for good reason).

Brian

Re: jaws & NVDA in combination

Zoe Fiogkos <fiogkos@...>
 

Hi Brian the NVDA shift z did indeed announce sleep mode on but unfortunately jaws still doesn’t respond to insert space s to turn on speech, any other ideas?

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: March-07-16 11:09 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Re: jaws & NVDA in combination

 

Zoe,

         In addition to mk360's suggestion, which is a good one, you might also try the NVDA "Toggle application sleep mode on/off" keystroke to essentially suspend NVDA completely until/unless you hit the toggle keystroke sequence again.  It's NVDA+Shift+S if you're using the desktop keyboard layout and NVDA+Shift+z with the laptop layout.

         I've used this same sort of command with ZoomText with clients who use a screen reader and ZoomText and it makes deactivating ZoomText and reactivating it much faster than actually shutting the program down and restarting it.  I feel fairly certain that an application toggle probably exists for JAWS, too, but I can't seem to find that at the moment.

Brian

Re: jaws & NVDA in combination

Zoe Fiogkos <fiogkos@...>
 

Yes your right its insert space s I did send a second email correcting my self

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: March-07-16 11:02 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Re: jaws & NVDA in combination

 

Zoe,

         Has someone customized your JAWS installation as far as keystrokes go in some way?  The typical keystroke set to toggle speech on/off in JAWS (at least in the versions I've been tutoring, which goes back to JAWS 14) is INS+SPACEBAR, followed by S  (substitute CAPS LOCK for INS if you're using laptop keyboard layout) and I've never had INS+S toggle speech in JAWS (but that's the toggle [or switcher, in default mode] in NVDA).

         I do, however, use the NoBeepsSpeechMode add-on in NVDA so that INS+S is a true toggle on/off for speech rather than a three-way switcher.

         Another option would be trying the "Pass Key Through" command in either JAWS [INS+3 on the number row] or NVDA [NVDA+F2], depending on which needs to be ignoring the next keystroke and passing it along to the other, before you hit the INS+S toggle.  I imagine order of processing precedence will be determined by which screen reader has focus at that moment, JAWS versus NVDA, but you'd have to play with this technique to test that out.

Brian

Re: jaws & NVDA in combination

 

Zoe,

       Scratch that NVDA application sleep mode suggestion.  I had failed to notice that it carries the proviso that it is in force only so long as you still have focus on the application in which you turned it on.  As soon as you go elsewhere NVDA voice output automatically turns on which, while very convenient in most circumstances, is not what you're looking for in this circumstance.

Brian

Re: jaws & NVDA in combination

 

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 08:18 am, Zoe Fiogkos <fiogkos@...> wrote:
Hi Brian the NVDA shift z did indeed announce sleep mode on but unfortunately jaws still doesn’t respond to insert space s to turn on speech, any other ideas?

 Zoe,

            Just so you know, the correction e-mail you said you sent noting that INS+S should have been INS+Spacebar, followed by S, never seems to have made it through.

            What I'm wondering, and I have no way to test it, is whether the JAWS speech toggle command is not considered a single keystroke, but two, and if this has an impact?  I presume by now you've seen my message saying that the sleep mode won't really work well functionally simply because it's in force only while focus remains on the application you invoked it on.  The moment you move to another application NVDA speech comes back on.

            I shot an e-mail off to Freedom Scientific Technical Support a few minutes ago asking if JAWS had a "full suspend" toggle and, if so, what the keystroke sequence is.  I know how handy it is to be able to tell any of these programs to simply stop doing anything at all and pretend they're not running until told to come back.  I have a client whose vision is variable enough that he uses JAWS principally for long periods of activity but who will also use ZoomText to get really up close and personal with certain specific items.  It's wonderful to be able to tell ZoomText to "pretend you're not running" until/unless it's needed again rather than doing a complete exit and restart of ZoomText itself.  I'll let you know what I hear back from Freedom Scientific, and that generally takes at least one business day.

Brian

Re: jaws & NVDA in combination

Zoe Fiogkos <fiogkos@...>
 

Oh gee thank you so much for taking the time to research this for me.  If I could find a solution for this toggle between the 2 programs it would be fantastic.  Someone here on the list wanted to know why I just don’t use NVDA to read my English.  This is just a preference of mine.  Firstly I’m the type of person who likes to learn as much as possible in different areas, for example jaws, NVDA, the mac, even zoomtext, which I admit I haven’t played with in years just because I have a lot on my plate right now.  I love the difference between jaws and NVDA.  Using the codefactory vocalizer voice on NVDA to speak Greek when I need it too, and switching to jaws for English makes a nice contrast and keeps me using both programs and learning both of them as best as I can.

Again here’s hoping we find a solution thanks for trying.  Maybe the jaws list might have a solution like changing the insert space s to something else that doesn’t conflict with NVDA, what do you all think?  It’s obvious that there’s some sort of conflict there in the keystrokes with the 2 programs running together.

 

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: March-07-16 11:40 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Re: jaws & NVDA in combination

 

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 08:18 am, Zoe Fiogkos <fiogkos@...> wrote:

Hi Brian the NVDA shift z did indeed announce sleep mode on but unfortunately jaws still doesn’t respond to insert space s to turn on speech, any other ideas?

 Zoe,

            Just so you know, the correction e-mail you said you sent noting that INS+S should have been INS+Spacebar, followed by S, never seems to have made it through.

            What I'm wondering, and I have no way to test it, is whether the JAWS speech toggle command is not considered a single keystroke, but two, and if this has an impact?  I presume by now you've seen my message saying that the sleep mode won't really work well functionally simply because it's in force only while focus remains on the application you invoked it on.  The moment you move to another application NVDA speech comes back on.

            I shot an e-mail off to Freedom Scientific Technical Support a few minutes ago asking if JAWS had a "full suspend" toggle and, if so, what the keystroke sequence is.  I know how handy it is to be able to tell any of these programs to simply stop doing anything at all and pretend they're not running until told to come back.  I have a client whose vision is variable enough that he uses JAWS principally for long periods of activity but who will also use ZoomText to get really up close and personal with certain specific items.  It's wonderful to be able to tell ZoomText to "pretend you're not running" until/unless it's needed again rather than doing a complete exit and restart of ZoomText itself.  I'll let you know what I hear back from Freedom Scientific, and that generally takes at least one business day.

Brian

Re: Tutorial on using the Gmail Web View with NVDA

 

Hello,

Here is a youtube to mp3 converter that is completely accessible:

http://www.youtube-mp3.org/


I record everything in MP4 because I show my screen for sighted viewers. If there is anyone who would like to rip it into mp3, please go ahead and post it.

  There are also what is in the video in the description. It is so people can just copy it and view it for later.

William Brandes emailed me an MP3 version at:

http://williambrandes.com/a_nvda/


It works great, just right-click on the link and click save.

Thanks,


Brandon Keith Biggs

Re: Tutorial on using the Gmail Web View with NVDA

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, David,

Yes, that's an awesome tutorial. Yes, we could get rid of our email clients eventually.

Rosemarie



On 3/7/2016 12:14 AM, David Moore wrote:
Hi Rosemarie,
Wasn’t that awesome? I used to use the Gmail website, but I used basic HTML, and did not know about all of the built-in key commands right on the web site. We could get out of using a client altogether. Have a great one.
 
 
Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 1:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tutorial on using the Gmail Web View with NVDA
 
Hi, Brandon,

Could you make it into an mp3 file? That way I can have it or future reference.

Rosemarie



On 3/6/2016 9:58 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
Hello,
I made a tutorial on how to use the gmail web view with NVDA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phClLFt2-dQ&feature=youtu.be

The instructions are also in the description.
Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. I use the gmail web view for all my email.
Thanks,



Re: Tutorial on using the Gmail Web View with NVDA

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

That site doesn't always work. I tried converting the tutorial last night but withno luck.


On 3/7/2016 9:07 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,

Here is a youtube to mp3 converter that is completely accessible:

http://www.youtube-mp3.org/


I record everything in MP4 because I show my screen for sighted viewers. If there is anyone who would like to rip it into mp3, please go ahead and post it.

  There are also what is in the video in the description. It is so people can just copy it and view it for later.

William Brandes emailed me an MP3 version at:

http://williambrandes.com/a_nvda/


It works great, just right-click on the link and click save.

Thanks,


Brandon Keith Biggs


Re: Tutorial on using the Gmail Web View with NVDA

 

Hi Brandon,

After seeing the responses to this tutorial, I’d like to request trying to see if Cool Blind Tech or similar entity can carry an mp3 version of this tutorial.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Brandon Keith Biggs [mailto:brandonkeithbiggs@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 9:58 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Tutorial on using the Gmail Web View with NVDA

 

Hello,

I made a tutorial on how to use the gmail web view with NVDA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phClLFt2-dQ&feature=youtu.be

The instructions are also in the description.

Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. I use the gmail web view for all my email.

Thanks,

Re: Tutorial on using the Gmail Web View with NVDA

laura cornwell <lauracornwell1@...>
 

how do you use the IRC stuff?

On 3/7/2016 11:36 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi Brandon,

After seeing the responses to this tutorial, I’d like to request trying to see if Cool Blind Tech or similar entity can carry an mp3 version of this tutorial.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Brandon Keith Biggs [mailto:brandonkeithbiggs@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 9:58 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Tutorial on using the Gmail Web View with NVDA

 

Hello,

I made a tutorial on how to use the gmail web view with NVDA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phClLFt2-dQ&feature=youtu.be

The instructions are also in the description.

Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. I use the gmail web view for all my email.

Thanks,


Re: jaws & NVDA in combination

Chris Mullins
 

I think you will struggle to get this to work because as you suspect, you have keystroke conflicts.  Where identical keystrokes exist in each screen reader, The latest screen reader loaded will capture the keystroke unless you precede it with a pass through keystroke.  In the scenario where you load Jaws first then NVDA, if you silence NVDA speech output, so as to hear Jaws speaking, any other keystrokes will still be picked up by NVDA unless passed through.  As Brian suggested, there needs to be  a sort of background mode whereby all keystrokes are passed through except the one that brings the screen reader back into the foreground.

 

Cheers

Chris

From: Zoe Fiogkos [mailto:fiogkos@...]
Sent: 07 March 2016 16:59
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] jaws & NVDA in combination

 

Oh gee thank you so much for taking the time to research this for me.  If I could find a solution for this toggle between the 2 programs it would be fantastic.  Someone here on the list wanted to know why I just don’t use NVDA to read my English.  This is just a preference of mine.  Firstly I’m the type of person who likes to learn as much as possible in different areas, for example jaws, NVDA, the mac, even zoomtext, which I admit I haven’t played with in years just because I have a lot on my plate right now.  I love the difference between jaws and NVDA.  Using the codefactory vocalizer voice on NVDA to speak Greek when I need it too, and switching to jaws for English makes a nice contrast and keeps me using both programs and learning both of them as best as I can.

Again here’s hoping we find a solution thanks for trying.  Maybe the jaws list might have a solution like changing the insert space s to something else that doesn’t conflict with NVDA, what do you all think?  It’s obvious that there’s some sort of conflict there in the keystrokes with the 2 programs running together.

 

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: March-07-16 11:40 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Re: jaws & NVDA in combination

 

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 08:18 am, Zoe Fiogkos <fiogkos@...> wrote:

Hi Brian the NVDA shift z did indeed announce sleep mode on but unfortunately jaws still doesn’t respond to insert space s to turn on speech, any other ideas?

 Zoe,

            Just so you know, the correction e-mail you said you sent noting that INS+S should have been INS+Spacebar, followed by S, never seems to have made it through.

            What I'm wondering, and I have no way to test it, is whether the JAWS speech toggle command is not considered a single keystroke, but two, and if this has an impact?  I presume by now you've seen my message saying that the sleep mode won't really work well functionally simply because it's in force only while focus remains on the application you invoked it on.  The moment you move to another application NVDA speech comes back on.

            I shot an e-mail off to Freedom Scientific Technical Support a few minutes ago asking if JAWS had a "full suspend" toggle and, if so, what the keystroke sequence is.  I know how handy it is to be able to tell any of these programs to simply stop doing anything at all and pretend they're not running until told to come back.  I have a client whose vision is variable enough that he uses JAWS principally for long periods of activity but who will also use ZoomText to get really up close and personal with certain specific items.  It's wonderful to be able to tell ZoomText to "pretend you're not running" until/unless it's needed again rather than doing a complete exit and restart of ZoomText itself.  I'll let you know what I hear back from Freedom Scientific, and that generally takes at least one business day.

Brian

Re: Tutorial on using the Gmail Web View with NVDA

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I think that's a great idea.



On 3/7/2016 9:36 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi Brandon,

After seeing the responses to this tutorial, I’d like to request trying to see if Cool Blind Tech or similar entity can carry an mp3 version of this tutorial.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Brandon Keith Biggs [mailto:brandonkeithbiggs@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 9:58 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Tutorial on using the Gmail Web View with NVDA

 

Hello,

I made a tutorial on how to use the gmail web view with NVDA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phClLFt2-dQ&feature=youtu.be

The instructions are also in the description.

Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. I use the gmail web view for all my email.

Thanks,


just made an mp3 file of the tutorial

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Joseph and all,

I was able to convert Brandon's tutorial about gmail to an mp3 file. If anybody wants it, please let me know and I'll put it on sendspace.

Rosemarie

pass through keystroke

Zoe Fiogkos <fiogkos@...>
 

Hey guys is there a pass through keystroke for NVDA?  Maybe if there is and I try that it might let me turn speech on jaws?  What do you all think?

Re: pass through keystroke

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I think it's insert f-2.



On 3/7/2016 10:38 AM, Zoe Fiogkos wrote:

Hey guys is there a pass through keystroke for NVDA?  Maybe if there is and I try that it might let me turn speech on jaws?  What do you all think?


so problem solved

Zoe Fiogkos <fiogkos@...>
 

Hey everyone, so the solution was using theNVDA pass through command did the trick.

So I turned on jaws , then I clicked insert spacebar s to turn jaws speech off. Then I started NVDA using control alt n , then I clicked insert s to turn speech mode off, then I clicked insert f2 like rose suggested and then it let me press insert spacebar s to turn speech back on in jaws.  Of course another problem arose wich is when jaws comes back on it no longer announces letters when I backspace to erase things, and it no longer reads when I arrow up and down, hmmmmm

Any ideas now?

Re: Finding older versions of NVDA?

Laughing Thunder
 

On 3/7/2016 9:27 AM, Matt Turner wrote:
Hi, I'm looking for NVDA 2015.4, to use as a Portable copy.

Re: pass through keystroke

Arlene
 

Hi, If you want to silence Jaws and type it is insert F 2.

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria [mailto:knitqueen2007@...]
Sent: March-07-16 10:39 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] pass through keystroke

 

I think it's insert f-2.


On 3/7/2016 10:38 AM, Zoe Fiogkos wrote:

Hey guys is there a pass through keystroke for NVDA?  Maybe if there is and I try that it might let me turn speech on jaws?  What do you all think?