hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter

I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much instantly.

Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same  way  as NVDA as you need to travel across all the eleements  headings for  each process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous and you can get to where you want  pretty easily. Just  turn on scan mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

Hi,

It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to showing you fewer details.

Cheers,

Joseph

I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much instantly.

Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same  way  as NVDA as you need to travel across all the eleements  headings for  each process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous and you can get to where you want  pretty easily. Just  turn on scan mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: February 9, 2018 9:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

Hi Paul,

Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.

Greetings,

Felix

P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter

thanks man!
i'm happy again!
cheers
paul otter

Op 9-2-2018 om 15:46 schreef Felix G.:

Hi Paul,

Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.

Greetings,

Felix

P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter



.

Hi Paul,
Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA.
Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after
opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication
with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is
unfortunately normal.
Greetings,
Felix

P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the
taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter

I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much instantly.
Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same way as NVDA as you need to travel across all the eleements headings for each process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous and you can get to where you want pretty easily. Just turn on scan mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

David Griffith



My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

From: Felix G.
Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

Hi Paul,
Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.
Greetings,
Felix

P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:
hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter

Hi everyone.


I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager. This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it. Pretty neat.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Hi,

It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to showing you fewer details.

Cheers,

Joseph


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much instantly.

Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same way as NVDA as you need to travel across all the eleements headings for each process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous and you can get to where you want pretty easily. Just turn on scan mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.


David Griffith




My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts


From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Hi Paul,

Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.

Greetings,

Felix


P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter

Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.




On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:

Hi everyone.


I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager. This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it. Pretty neat.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Hi,

It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to showing you fewer details.

Cheers,

Joseph


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much instantly.

Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same  way as NVDA as you need to travel across all the eleements  headings for  each process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous and you can get to where you want  pretty easily. Just  turn on scan mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.


David Griffith




My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts


From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Hi Paul,

Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.

Greetings,

Felix


P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter

Well I am really sick of this, task manager is so crappy and useless because of how it is the win7 one just worked.

I think its time for another alternit to task manager because crappy uia is obviously sucking.

I still say dispite all the new tech thats going on with uia that old crappy crap that it is the old msaa and older decade old out of date and now crappy stuff is still good for the user.

Just because microsoft says its old and crap now doesn't mean the users share the same experience.

Xp is crap because microsoft says it is, yet I am sure it started faster than win10 or 7 ever did on standard hard drives and there was nothing wrong with its interface.

I do wander if there are other task managers that will do simple things, processes and apps, the rest of it can go to the dogs for all I care.

And with all the cpu slowdowns going on due to updates and all the issues around that even the workstation my dad uses even with a lot of stuff taken off is now slow.

I have older i3 units and older systems that while were just barely usefull and some newer systems that were quite speedy, I may as well use for target shooting due to them being so slow they don't work well with anything.

I am glad I still use 7.

Serious outside my blustering, something has to get done with task manager, are ther alternitives, will an older win7 task manager work in the mean time, can the newer task manager get faster.

Universal apps are not like this, if there were like this users would be really angry.




On 10/02/2018 3:46 a.m., Felix G. wrote:

Hi Paul,
Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA.
Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after
opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication
with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is
unfortunately normal.
Greetings,
Felix

P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the
taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter

Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with NVDA, not usable at all.

Regards

Christo


On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.




On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:

Hi everyone.


I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager. This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it. Pretty neat.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Hi,

It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to showing you fewer details.

Cheers,

Joseph


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much instantly.

Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same way as NVDA as you need to travel across all the eleements headings for each process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous and you can get to where you want pretty easily. Just turn on scan mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.


David Griffith




My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts


From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Hi Paul,

Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.

Greetings,

Felix


P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter

You sure about that? Older versions were a bit of a mess, but I've been told they fixed it as long as you have the latest version of windows and the add on.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with NVDA, not usable at all.

Regards

Christo


On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.




On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:

Hi everyone.


I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager. This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it. Pretty neat.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Hi,

It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to showing you fewer details.

Cheers,

Joseph


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much instantly.

Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same way as NVDA as you need to travel across all the eleements headings for each process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous and you can get to where you want pretty easily. Just turn on scan mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.


David Griffith




My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts


From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Hi Paul,

Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.

Greetings,

Felix


P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter

Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all.

Regards

Christo

On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

> Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a

> feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

> 

> Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

> 

> I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:

>> Hi everyone.

>> 

>> 

>> I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from

>> Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view

>> in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to

>> be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically

>> intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also

>> responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as

>> Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the

>> suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within

>> Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager.

>> This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it.

>> Pretty neat.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Joseph Lee

>> Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to

>> showing you fewer details.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> David Griffith

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much

>> instantly.

>> 

>> Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same  way as NVDA

>> as you need to travel across all the eleements  headings for  each

>> process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as

>> you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous

>> and you can get to where you want  pretty easily. Just  turn on scan

>> mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the

>> window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each

>> process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process

>> down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

>> 

>> 

>> David Griffith

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog

>> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/

>> My Blind hammer Blog

>> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

>> 

>> 

>> From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>

>> Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi Paul,

>> 

>> Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements

>> UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed,

>> and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish

>> communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even

>> slightly more is unfortunately normal.

>> 

>> Greetings,

>> 

>> Felix

>> 

>> 

>> P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13

>> Uhr:

>> 

>> hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the

>> taskmanager.

>> so it was possible to stop a programm to run.

>> now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is

>> something wrong in this version.

>> i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4

>> from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i

>> hear skype ringing, that is as usual.

>> but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended

>> the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager

>> or i've reboot my computer.

>> what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the

>> taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.

>> there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.

>> that is very annoing

>> is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a

>> solution to use skype without false ringing problems?

>> i have 64 bit windows 10 running.

>> thank you in advance for your answer

>> regards

>> paul otter

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> 

> 

>

> 

----- Original Message -----

From: David Griffith

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

Agree – I had exactly the same experience.

Running latest version of NVDA with Win 10 essentials.

The program opens but all you hear in both Windows is list

I tried OCR but was told that there was no recognisable text.

I went to investigate options and show process tree was disabled with no apparent way to enable it so it may be just that the program does not work rather than being an accessibility  issue.

 

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Christo de Klerk
Sent: 11 February 2018 07:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all.

 

Regards

 

Christo

 

 

On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

> Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a

> feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

> 

> Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

> 

> I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:

>> Hi everyone.

>> 

>> 

>> I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from

>> Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view

>> in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to

>> be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically

>> intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also

>> responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as

>> Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the

>> suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within

>> Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager.

>> This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it.

>> Pretty neat.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Joseph Lee

>> Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to

>> showing you fewer details.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> David Griffith

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much

>> instantly.

>> 

>> Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same  way as NVDA

>> as you need to travel across all the eleements  headings for  each

>> process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as

>> you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous

>> and you can get to where you want  pretty easily. Just  turn on scan

>> mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the

>> window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each

>> process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process

>> down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

>> 

>> 

>> David Griffith

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog

>> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/

>> My Blind hammer Blog

>> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

>> 

>> 

>> From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>

>> Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi Paul,

>> 

>> Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements

>> UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed,

>> and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish

>> communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even

>> slightly more is unfortunately normal.

>> 

>> Greetings,

>> 

>> Felix

>> 

>> 

>> P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13

>> Uhr:

>> 

>> hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the

>> taskmanager.

>> so it was possible to stop a programm to run.

>> now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is

>> something wrong in this version.

>> i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4

>> from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i

>> hear skype ringing, that is as usual.

>> but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended

>> the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager

>> or i've reboot my computer.

>> what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the

>> taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.

>> there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.

>> that is very annoing

>> is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a

>> solution to use skype without false ringing problems?

>> i have 64 bit windows 10 running.

>> thank you in advance for your answer

>> regards

>> paul otter

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> 

> 

>

> 

 

 

 

 

the program works fine with Jaws.

----- Original Message -----

From: David Griffith

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Agree – I had exactly the same experience.

Running latest version of NVDA with Win 10 essentials.

The program opens but all you hear in both Windows is list

I tried OCR but was told that there was no recognisable text.

I went to investigate options and show process tree was disabled with no apparent way to enable it so it may be just that the program does not work rather than being an accessibility  issue.

 

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Christo de Klerk
Sent: 11 February 2018 07:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed

Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with

NVDA, not usable at all.

 

Regards

 

Christo

 

 

On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

> Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a

> feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.

> 

> Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.

> 

> I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:

>> Hi everyone.

>> 

>> 

>> I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from

>> Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view

>> in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to

>> be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically

>> intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also

>> responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as

>> Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the

>> suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within

>> Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager.

>> This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it.

>> Pretty neat.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Joseph Lee

>> Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi,

>> 

>> It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to

>> showing you fewer details.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>> Joseph

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> David Griffith

>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much

>> instantly.

>> 

>> Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same  way as NVDA

>> as you need to travel across all the eleements  headings for  each

>> process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as

>> you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous

>> and you can get to where you want  pretty easily. Just  turn on scan

>> mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the

>> window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each

>> process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process

>> down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

>> 

>> 

>> David Griffith

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog

>> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/

>> My Blind hammer Blog

>> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

>> 

>> 

>> From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>

>> Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

>> 

>> 

>> Hi Paul,

>> 

>> Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements

>> UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed,

>> and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish

>> communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even

>> slightly more is unfortunately normal.

>> 

>> Greetings,

>> 

>> Felix

>> 

>> 

>> P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13

>> Uhr:

>> 

>> hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the

>> taskmanager.

>> so it was possible to stop a programm to run.

>> now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is

>> something wrong in this version.

>> i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4

>> from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i

>> hear skype ringing, that is as usual.

>> but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended

>> the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager

>> or i've reboot my computer.

>> what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the

>> taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.

>> there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.

>> that is very annoing

>> is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a

>> solution to use skype without false ringing problems?

>> i have 64 bit windows 10 running.

>> thank you in advance for your answer

>> regards

>> paul otter

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> 

> 

>

>