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It works with nvda, but its really slow, I didn't say it didn't eventually work but its just not feesable.
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On 11/02/2018 11:41 p.m., Dennis L wrote: the program works fine with Jaws.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Griffith
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
Agree – I had exactly the same experience.
Running latest version of NVDA with Win 10 essentials.
The program opens but all you hear in both Windows is list
I tried OCR but was told that there was no recognisable text.
I went to investigate options and show process tree was disabled with no apparent way to enable it so it may be just that the program does not work rather than being an accessibility issue.
David Griffith
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
From: Christo de Klerk
Sent: 11 February 2018 07:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed
Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with
NVDA, not usable at all.
Regards
Christo
On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
> Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a
> feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.
>
> Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.
>
> I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.
>
>
>
>
> On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:
>> Hi everyone.
>>
>>
>> I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from
>> Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view
>> in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to
>> be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically
>> intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also
>> responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as
>> Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the
>> suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within
>> Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager.
>> This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it.
>> Pretty neat.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Joseph Lee
>> Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to
>> showing you fewer details.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> David Griffith
>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
>>
>>
>> I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much
>> instantly.
>>
>> Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same way as NVDA
>> as you need to travel across all the eleements headings for each
>> process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as
>> you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous
>> and you can get to where you want pretty easily. Just turn on scan
>> mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the
>> window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each
>> process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process
>> down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.
>>
>>
>> David Griffith
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
>> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
>> My Blind hammer Blog
>> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
>>
>>
>> From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
>> Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
>>
>>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements
>> UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed,
>> and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish
>> communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even
>> slightly more is unfortunately normal.
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Felix
>>
>>
>> P. Otter <pam.otter@gmail.com> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13
>> Uhr:
>>
>> hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the
>> taskmanager.
>> so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
>> now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
>> something wrong in this version.
>> i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
>> from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
>> hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
>> but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
>> the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
>> or i've reboot my computer.
>> what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
>> taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
>> there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
>> that is very annoing
>> is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
>> solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
>> i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
>> thank you in advance for your answer
>> regards
>> paul otter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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You know brian thats what I have been driving at.
Who cares about the windows interface, maybe you buy the core and a default skin then get others.
What is wrong with windows xp interface, nothing.
No search box but whatever.
win7 searchbox is nice, maybe I get that, but the rest well.
Win7 is not that bad.
Now win10 interface is not all bad, I mean the main desktop right now is fine, and I must admit those shortcut keys are nice.
The searchboxes all over the place I could do with out and all the universal apps, some are really good but I have no problem with classic skype and classic desktop apps.
You are right about the hardware.
Because of the intel foul up, systems are slower, I have old systems some first gen which ran reasonably right but are now really bad.
I have certain boxes that will just not run right anymore.
As for skins, I don't mind if I can buy skins or even use certain elements, I want the win7 skin the xp skin, and maybe the windows 9x classic skins.
And if then we are going to skins, what if you could run windows skins on a linux kernal, yeah you would have to pay to run windows on linux but then I'd do it.
100-200 bucks for everything or 10-30 bucks a skin, gladly would I part with my cash.
Then We wouldn't have this issue.
More rich sound themes including ambient sound for different places.
Same could be for visuals I guess.
And some way to switch interfaces ofcause.
Then windows would be a truely universal os.
But yeah win10 is not one big crashing crap pile.
But its not that tidy from all the recovery partitions it creates, to the fact things seem to be added every little while and they call it progress.
The fact that sometimes this means drivers suddenly just don't work anymore and I have to install them.
To all sorts of things.
On the last update of windows, the graphics card didn't work, and wehn I got it working and checked the program with my hp it found the update for that.
Still things didn't work a check of the site told me I was misssing a lot but what about all the boxes that just don't get updates anymore, eventually the new boxes will not get updates then we have an issue.
To be honest I am all for an addition of windows that you got, you setup, and you could opt out of ever getting feature updates at all but then would have to get the latest update, something like firefox esr.
Right now you can in some additions do this and stop all together updates for various things but if you do once the time expires you are pritty much locked out of updating, till you manually update, reformat, or get some help.
Then again I never understood that feature.
At any rate in the end you would have no choice.
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On 11/02/2018 9:03 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: What makes you think they are not. I'm always being told to get up to date, yet those I know who have seem to have no end of issues in windows 10, the main one, sadly is having to wait for a surprise every few months when Microsoft create a new set of wheels and usually forget to tighten the wheel nuts resulting in one dropping off, so a new fix comes out to superglue it back on. There is a lot to be said for good design and adaptability baked in at the start, rather than this current messing about with operating systems conceived over a coffee or so it seems. By now windows should be a core and have several skins which include the apis that work, so we can make it look and feel like we want for a given task or for those who are used to a particular way of things working.
There will always be security issues and attempting to block holes will always go on and its no good trying to make bomb proof browsers that only half work or whatever only to find its the bloomin hardware which is bust in the first place. Honestly its like some comedy sit com at the moment. Loads of people talking the talk but not actually doing a lot.
Like everything, we are the weakest link in the main, I'm surprised nobody has suggested an upgrade for ourselves by now!
Anyway. getting back to the subject for once, nvda would be much easier to make work if the playing field we were working in did not keep on being dug up by moles and termites. I hope you get my drift.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
Well I am really sick of this, task manager is so crappy and useless because of how it is the win7 one just worked.
I think its time for another alternit to task manager because crappy uia is obviously sucking.
I still say dispite all the new tech thats going on with uia that old crappy crap that it is the old msaa and older decade old out of date and now crappy stuff is still good for the user.
Just because microsoft says its old and crap now doesn't mean the users share the same experience.
Xp is crap because microsoft says it is, yet I am sure it started faster than win10 or 7 ever did on standard hard drives and there was nothing wrong with its interface.
I do wander if there are other task managers that will do simple things, processes and apps, the rest of it can go to the dogs for all I care.
And with all the cpu slowdowns going on due to updates and all the issues around that even the workstation my dad uses even with a lot of stuff taken off is now slow.
I have older i3 units and older systems that while were just barely usefull and some newer systems that were quite speedy, I may as well use for target shooting due to them being so slow they don't work well with anything.
I am glad I still use 7.
Serious outside my blustering, something has to get done with task manager, are ther alternitives, will an older win7 task manager work in the mean time, can the newer task manager get faster.
Universal apps are not like this, if there were like this users would be really angry.
On 10/02/2018 3:46 a.m., Felix G. wrote:
Hi Paul,
Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA.
Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after
opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication
with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is
unfortunately normal.
Greetings,
Felix
P. Otter <pam.otter@gmail.com> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:
hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the
taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter
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JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
Yes. I’m sorry. It’s my mistake, mostly. This is a (rare) case of a program that seems to work much better with JAWS than it does with NVDA. I thought I had used it with NVDA before, but I use both screen-readers (still quite new to NVDA in fact) and sometimes my internal wires get crossed. I’m sure you could still use the program with nVDA, but arrowing through the list of tasks, for example, currently does not give any speech feedback with nVDA. I apologise for steering people wrong on this list.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: February 11, 2018 7:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager Nobody simply said the program doesn't work. Everybody who said it didn't work, mentioned that it doesn't work with NVDA. My message was the first one in this thread to say that it doesn't work and I specifically mentioned NVDA. I quote from my original message:
"Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with NVDA, not usable at all." Kind regards Christo On 2018/02/11 1:42 PM, Dennis L wrote: I wasn't trying to bring other screen readers into it. However you said the program didn't work. That is simply not true. it's a NVDA issue clearly. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:57 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager Yes you are correct – If I switch to Jaws the list of processes become readable. When I switch back to NVDA all I hear is Pane when I try to navigate to the same window. Slightly odd. David Griffith. My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts the program works fine with Jaws. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager Agree – I had exactly the same experience. Running latest version of NVDA with Win 10 essentials. The program opens but all you hear in both Windows is list I tried OCR but was told that there was no recognisable text. I went to investigate options and show process tree was disabled with no apparent way to enable it so it may be just that the program does not work rather than being an accessibility issue. David Griffith David Griffith My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with NVDA, not usable at all. Regards Christo On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote: > Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a > feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think. > > Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app. > > I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will. > > > > > On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote: >> Hi everyone. >> >> >> I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from >> Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view >> in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to >> be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically >> intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also >> responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as >> Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the >> suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within >> Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager. >> This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it. >> Pretty neat. >> >> >> >> >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >> Joseph Lee >> Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager >> >> >> Hi, >> >> It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to >> showing you fewer details. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Joseph >> >> >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >> David Griffith >> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager >> >> >> I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much >> instantly. >> >> Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same way as NVDA >> as you need to travel across all the eleements headings for each >> process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as >> you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous >> and you can get to where you want pretty easily. Just turn on scan >> mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the >> window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each >> process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process >> down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go. >> >> >> David Griffith >> >> >> >> >> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog >> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ >> My Blind hammer Blog >> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts >> >> >> From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...> >> Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46 >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager >> >> >> Hi Paul, >> >> Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements >> UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, >> and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish >> communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even >> slightly more is unfortunately normal. >> >> Greetings, >> >> Felix >> >> >> P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 >> Uhr: >> >> hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the >> taskmanager. >> so it was possible to stop a programm to run. >> now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is >> something wrong in this version. >> i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4 >> from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i >> hear skype ringing, that is as usual. >> but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended >> the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager >> or i've reboot my computer. >> what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the >> taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list. >> there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer. >> that is very annoing >> is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a >> solution to use skype without false ringing problems? >> i have 64 bit windows 10 running. >> thank you in advance for your answer >> regards >> paul otter >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >
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Hi where do you get this program from?
And is it free and easy to install?
One last thing what do you need to do when you install it and use
it?
One last thing what do you all need to do to use the program and
set it up?
On 2/11/2018 6:40 AM, Christo de Klerk
wrote:
Nobody simply said the program
doesn't work. Everybody who said it didn't work, mentioned that
it doesn't work with NVDA. My message was the first one in this
thread to say that it doesn't work and I specifically mentioned
NVDA. I quote from my original message:
"Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and
installed
Process
Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible
with
NVDA, not
usable at all."
Kind regards
Christo
On 2018/02/11 1:42 PM, Dennis L wrote:
I wasn't trying to bring other
screen readers into it. However you said the program didn't
work. That is simply not true. it's a NVDA issue clearly.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February
11, 2018 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about
taskmanager
Yes you are correct
– If I switch to Jaws the list of processes become
readable.
When I switch back
to NVDA all I hear is Pane when I try to navigate to the
same window.
Slightly odd.
David Griffith.
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
the program
works fine with Jaws.
----- Original Message
-----
Sent: Sunday, February 11,
2018 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about
taskmanager
Agree – I had exactly the same
experience.
Running latest version of NVDA with Win
10 essentials.
The program opens but all you hear in
both Windows is list
I tried OCR but was told that there was
no recognisable text.
I
went to investigate options and show process tree was
disabled with no apparent way to enable it so it may
be just that the program does not work rather than
being an accessibility issue.
David
Griffith
David
Griffith
My Blind
Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
Because
of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and
installed
Process
Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally
inaccessible with
NVDA, not
usable at all.
Regards
Christo
On
2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
> Hmmm
I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals
in a
>
feature set download, but I am going to get into that I
think.
>
>
Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.
>
> I
havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I
will.
>
>
>
>
> On
10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:
>>
Hi everyone.
>>
>>
>>
I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer
from
>>
Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer
details” view
>>
in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA
and jAWS to
>>
be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager
was basically
>>
intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more
capability, but also
>>
responds very quickly and works just as well with a
screen-reader as
>>
Task manager really should. The program and all the
others in the
>>
suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option
within
>>
Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task
manager.
>>
This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will
activate it.
>>
Pretty neat.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of
>>
Joseph Lee
>>
Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM
>>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
>>
>>
>>
Hi,
>>
>>
It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it
defaults to
>>
showing you fewer details.
>>
>>
Cheers,
>>
>>
Joseph
>>
>>
>>
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of
>>
David Griffith
>>
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM
>>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
>>
>>
>>
I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds
pretty much
>>
instantly.
>>
>>
Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the
same way as NVDA
>>
as you need to travel across all the eleements headings
for each
>>
process rather than simply cursorring down the list of
processes as
>>
you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty
instantaneous
>>
and you can get to where you want pretty easily. Just
turn on scan
>>
mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down
through the
>>
window. You will hear each process followed by the
reading for each
>>
process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the
next process
>>
down. Continue down through the list to get to where you
want to go.
>>
>>
>>
David Griffith
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
>>
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
>>
My Blind hammer Blog
>>
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
>>
>>
>>
From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
>>
Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
>>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
>>
>>
>>
Hi Paul,
>>
>>
Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way
it implements
>>
UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on
installed,
>>
and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to
fully establish
>>
communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute
or even
>>
slightly more is unfortunately normal.
>>
>>
Greetings,
>>
>>
Felix
>>
>>
>>
P. Otter <pam.otter@...>
schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13
>>
Uhr:
>>
>>
hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to
use the
>>
taskmanager.
>>
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
>>
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to
7.40 but there is
>>
something wrong in this version.
>>
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
>>
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone
is calling me, i
>>
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
>>
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also
when i've ended
>>
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in
the taskmanager
>>
or i've reboot my computer.
>>
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to
use the
>>
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
>>
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
>>
that is very annoing
>>
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or
ofcaurse a
>>
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
>>
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
>>
thank you in advance for your answer
>>
regards
>>
paul otter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Nobody simply said the program doesn't
work. Everybody who said it didn't work, mentioned that it doesn't
work with NVDA. My message was the first one in this thread to say
that it doesn't work and I specifically mentioned NVDA. I quote
from my original message:
"Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and
installed
Process Explorer
from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with
NVDA, not usable
at all."
Kind regards
Christo
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 2018/02/11 1:42 PM, Dennis L wrote:
I wasn't trying to bring other
screen readers into it. However you said the program didn't
work. That is simply not true. it's a NVDA issue clearly.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11,
2018 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about
taskmanager
Yes you are correct –
If I switch to Jaws the list of processes become readable.
When I switch back to
NVDA all I hear is Pane when I try to navigate to the same
window.
Slightly odd.
David Griffith.
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
the program
works fine with Jaws.
----- Original Message
-----
Sent: Sunday, February 11,
2018 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about
taskmanager
Agree – I had exactly the same experience.
Running latest version of NVDA with Win 10
essentials.
The program opens but all you hear in both
Windows is list
I tried OCR but was told that there was no
recognisable text.
I went to
investigate options and show process tree was disabled
with no apparent way to enable it so it may be just that
the program does not work rather than being an
accessibility issue.
David Griffith
David Griffith
My Blind
Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
Because of
a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed
Process
Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible
with
NVDA, not
usable at all.
Regards
Christo
On
2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
> Hmmm I
don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a
>
feature set download, but I am going to get into that I
think.
>
> Maybe
even take sys internals as a portable app.
>
> I
havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I
will.
>
>
>
>
> On
10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:
>> Hi
everyone.
>>
>>
>> I
replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer
from
>>
Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer
details” view
>> in
task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and
jAWS to
>> be
so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was
basically
>>
intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability,
but also
>>
responds very quickly and works just as well with a
screen-reader as
>>
Task manager really should. The program and all the others
in the
>>
suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option
within
>>
Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task
manager.
>>
This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will
activate it.
>>
Pretty neat.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
>>
Joseph Lee
>>
Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM
>>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
>>
>>
>>
Hi,
>>
>> It
also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it
defaults to
>>
showing you fewer details.
>>
>>
Cheers,
>>
>>
Joseph
>>
>>
>>
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
>>
David Griffith
>>
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM
>>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
>>
>>
>> I
mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty
much
>>
instantly.
>>
>>
Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same
way as NVDA
>> as
you need to travel across all the eleements headings for
each
>>
process rather than simply cursorring down the list of
processes as
>>
you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty
instantaneous
>>
and you can get to where you want pretty easily. Just
turn on scan
>>
mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down
through the
>>
window. You will hear each process followed by the reading
for each
>>
process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the
next process
>>
down. Continue down through the list to get to where you
want to go.
>>
>>
>>
David Griffith
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> My
Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
>>
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
>> My
Blind hammer Blog
>>
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
>>
>>
>>
From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
>>
Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
>>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
>>
>>
>> Hi
Paul,
>>
>>
Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it
implements
>>
UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on
installed,
>>
and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully
establish
>>
communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute
or even
>>
slightly more is unfortunately normal.
>>
>>
Greetings,
>>
>>
Felix
>>
>>
>> P.
Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb.
2018 um 13:13
>>
Uhr:
>>
>>
hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to
use the
>>
taskmanager.
>> so
it was possible to stop a programm to run.
>>
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40
but there is
>>
something wrong in this version.
>>
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
>>
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is
calling me, i
>>
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
>>
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also
when i've ended
>>
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in
the taskmanager
>> or
i've reboot my computer.
>>
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to
use the
>>
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
>>
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
>>
that is very annoing
>> is
there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or
ofcaurse a
>>
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
>> i
have 64 bit windows 10 running.
>>
thank you in advance for your answer
>>
regards
>>
paul otter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
|
|
|
I wasn't trying to bring other screen readers into
it. However you said the program didn't work. That is simply not
true. it's a NVDA issue clearly.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:57
AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about
taskmanager
Yes you are correct – If I switch to Jaws
the list of processes become readable.
When I switch back to NVDA all I hear is
Pane when I try to navigate to the same window.
Slightly odd.
David Griffith.
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My
Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
the program works
fine with Jaws.
----- Original
Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February
11, 2018 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about
taskmanager
Agree – I
had exactly the same experience.
Running
latest version of NVDA with Win 10 essentials.
The program
opens but all you hear in both Windows is list
I tried OCR
but was told that there was no recognisable text.
I went to investigate options and show process
tree was disabled with no apparent way to enable it so it may be just that
the program does not work rather than being an accessibility
issue.
David Griffith
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog
Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer
Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
Because of a recommendation
on this list I downloaded and installed
Process Explorer from
SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with
NVDA, not usable at
all.
Regards
Christo
On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun
Everiss wrote:
> Hmmm I don't know why ms
don't include all the sysinternals in a
> feature set download,
but I am going to get into that I think.
>
> Maybe even take sys
internals as a portable app.
>
> I havn't really looked
at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.
>
>
>
>
> On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m.,
JM Casey wrote:
>> Hi
everyone.
>>
>>
>> I replaced Windows
10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from
>> Sysinternals,
because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view
>> in task manager
isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to
>> be so sluggish in
the detailed view that Task Manager was basically
>> intolerable to use.
Process Explorer has more capability, but also
>> responds very
quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as
>> Task manager really
should. The program and all the others in the
>> suite are owned by
Microsoft now and there is an option within
>> Process Explorer
that enables you to replace the OS task manager.
>> This means your
ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it.
>> Pretty
neat.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Joseph
Lee
>> Sent: February 9,
2018 10:35 AM
>> To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda]
about taskmanager
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> It also depends on
which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to
>> showing you fewer
details.
>>
>>
Cheers,
>>
>>
Joseph
>>
>>
>> From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> David
Griffith
>> Sent: Friday,
February 9, 2018 7:25 AM
>> To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda]
about taskmanager
>>
>>
>> I mormally find with
Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much
>>
instantly.
>>
>> Narrator does not
interact with Task Manager in the same way as NVDA
>> as you need to
travel across all the eleements headings for each
>> process rather than
simply cursorring down the list of processes as
>> you might expect
with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous
>> and you can get to
where you want pretty easily. Just turn on scan
>> mode with caps lock
space bar and simply cursor down through the
>> window. You will
hear each process followed by the reading for each
>> process like CPU etc
but eventually you will reach the next process
>> down. Continue down
through the list to get to where you want to go.
>>
>>
>> David
Griffith
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> My Blind Access and
Guide dog Blog
>>
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
>> My Blind hammer
Blog
>>
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
>>
>>
>> From: Felix G.
<mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
>> Sent: 09 February
2018 14:46
>> To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda]
about taskmanager
>>
>>
>> Hi
Paul,
>>
>> Task Manager is a
bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements
>> UIA. Make sure you
got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed,
>> and after opening
Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish
>> communication with
NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even
>> slightly more is
unfortunately normal.
>>
>>
Greetings,
>>
>> Felix
>>
>>
>> P. Otter
<pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13
>> Uhr:
>>
>> hello, a long, long
time ago, it was possible for me to use the
>>
taskmanager.
>> so it was possible
to stop a programm to run.
>> now, i've problems
with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
>> something wrong in
this version.
>> i'm using windows 10
(newest version) and nvda2017.4
>> from the moment i'm
running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
>> hear skype ringing,
that is as usual.
>> but when i accepted
the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
>> the call, skype
keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
>> or i've reboot my
computer.
>> what i wrote before,
it was a long time ago possible to use the
>> taskmager but now i
only hear list, list, list.
>> there is nothing i
can do else than reboot my computer.
>> that is very
annoing
>> is there a
possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
>> solution to use
skype without false ringing problems?
>> i have 64 bit
windows 10 running.
>> thank you in advance
for your answer
>>
regards
>> paul
otter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
|
|
|
Yes you are correct – If I switch to Jaws the list of processes become readable. When I switch back to NVDA all I hear is Pane when I try to navigate to the same window. Slightly odd. David Griffith. My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
From: Dennis LSent: 11 February 2018 10:41 To: nvda@nvda.groups.ioSubject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager the program works fine with Jaws. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager Agree – I had exactly the same experience. Running latest version of NVDA with Win 10 essentials. The program opens but all you hear in both Windows is list I tried OCR but was told that there was no recognisable text. I went to investigate options and show process tree was disabled with no apparent way to enable it so it may be just that the program does not work rather than being an accessibility issue. David Griffith David Griffith My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with NVDA, not usable at all. Regards Christo On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote: > Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a > feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think. > > Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app. > > I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will. > > > > > On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote: >> Hi everyone. >> >> >> I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from >> Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view >> in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to >> be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically >> intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also >> responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as >> Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the >> suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within >> Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager. >> This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it. >> Pretty neat. >> >> >> >> >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >> Joseph Lee >> Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager >> >> >> Hi, >> >> It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to >> showing you fewer details. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Joseph >> >> >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >> David Griffith >> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager >> >> >> I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much >> instantly. >> >> Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same way as NVDA >> as you need to travel across all the eleements headings for each >> process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as >> you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous >> and you can get to where you want pretty easily. Just turn on scan >> mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the >> window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each >> process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process >> down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go. >> >> >> David Griffith >> >> >> >> >> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog >> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ >> My Blind hammer Blog >> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts >> >> >> From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...> >> Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46 >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager >> >> >> Hi Paul, >> >> Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements >> UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, >> and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish >> communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even >> slightly more is unfortunately normal. >> >> Greetings, >> >> Felix >> >> >> P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 >> Uhr: >> >> hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the >> taskmanager. >> so it was possible to stop a programm to run. >> now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is >> something wrong in this version. >> i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4 >> from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i >> hear skype ringing, that is as usual. >> but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended >> the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager >> or i've reboot my computer. >> what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the >> taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list. >> there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer. >> that is very annoing >> is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a >> solution to use skype without false ringing problems? >> i have 64 bit windows 10 running. >> thank you in advance for your answer >> regards >> paul otter >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >
|
|
|
the program works fine with Jaws.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:39
AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about
taskmanager
Agree – I had exactly the same
experience.
Running latest version of NVDA with Win 10
essentials.
The program opens but all you hear in both
Windows is list
I tried OCR but was told that there was no
recognisable text.
I
went to investigate options and show process tree was disabled with no
apparent way to enable it so it may be just that the program does not work
rather than being an accessibility issue.
David Griffith
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog
Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer
Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and
installed
Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally
inaccessible with
NVDA, not usable at all.
Regards
Christo
On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
> Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the
sysinternals in a
> feature set download, but I am going to get into that
I think.
>
> Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.
>
> I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe
I will.
>
>
>
>
> On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:
>> Hi everyone.
>>
>>
>> I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process
Explorer from
>> Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The
“fewer details” view
>> in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found
both NVDA and jAWS to
>> be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task
Manager was basically
>> intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more
capability, but also
>> responds very quickly and works just as well with
a screen-reader as
>> Task manager really should. The program and all
the others in the
>> suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an
option within
>> Process Explorer that enables you to replace the
OS task manager.
>> This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command
will activate it.
>> Pretty neat.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Joseph Lee
>> Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> It also depends on which view Task Manager is in,
as it defaults to
>> showing you fewer details.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> David Griffith
>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
>>
>>
>> I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager
responds pretty much
>> instantly.
>>
>> Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in
the same way as NVDA
>> as you need to travel across all the
eleements headings for each
>> process rather than simply cursorring down the
list of processes as
>> you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is
pretty instantaneous
>> and you can get to where you want pretty
easily. Just turn on scan
>> mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor
down through the
>> window. You will hear each process followed by the
reading for each
>> process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach
the next process
>> down. Continue down through the list to get to
where you want to go.
>>
>>
>> David Griffith
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
>> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
>> My Blind hammer Blog
>>
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
>>
>>
>> From: Felix G.
<mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
>> Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
>>
>>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to
the way it implements
>> UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials
add-on installed,
>> and after opening Task Manager, give it some time
to fully establish
>> communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a
minute or even
>> slightly more is unfortunately normal.
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Felix
>>
>>
>> P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am
Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13
>> Uhr:
>>
>> hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for
me to use the
>> taskmanager.
>> so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
>> now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it
to 7.40 but there is
>> something wrong in this version.
>> i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and
nvda2017.4
>> from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and
someone is calling me, i
>> hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
>> but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing,
also when i've ended
>> the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped
skype in the taskmanager
>> or i've reboot my computer.
>> what i wrote before, it was a long time ago
possible to use the
>> taskmager but now i only hear list, list,
list.
>> there is nothing i can do else than reboot my
computer.
>> that is very annoing
>> is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager
again or ofcaurse a
>> solution to use skype without false ringing
problems?
>> i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
>> thank you in advance for your answer
>> regards
>> paul otter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
|
|
|
Agree – I had exactly the same experience. Running latest version of NVDA with Win 10 essentials. The program opens but all you hear in both Windows is list I tried OCR but was told that there was no recognisable text. I went to investigate options and show process tree was disabled with no apparent way to enable it so it may be just that the program does not work rather than being an accessibility issue. David Griffith David Griffith My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
From: Christo de KlerkSent: 11 February 2018 07:22 To: nvda@nvda.groups.ioSubject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with NVDA, not usable at all. Regards Christo On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote: > Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a > feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think. > > Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app. > > I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will. > > > > > On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote: >> Hi everyone. >> >> >> I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from >> Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view >> in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to >> be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically >> intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also >> responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as >> Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the >> suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within >> Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager. >> This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it. >> Pretty neat. >> >> >> >> >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >> Joseph Lee >> Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager >> >> >> Hi, >> >> It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to >> showing you fewer details. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Joseph >> >> >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >> David Griffith >> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager >> >> >> I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much >> instantly. >> >> Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same way as NVDA >> as you need to travel across all the eleements headings for each >> process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as >> you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous >> and you can get to where you want pretty easily. Just turn on scan >> mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the >> window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each >> process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process >> down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go. >> >> >> David Griffith >> >> >> >> >> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog >> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ >> My Blind hammer Blog >> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts >> >> >> From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...> >> Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46 >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager >> >> >> Hi Paul, >> >> Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements >> UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, >> and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish >> communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even >> slightly more is unfortunately normal. >> >> Greetings, >> >> Felix >> >> >> P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 >> Uhr: >> >> hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the >> taskmanager. >> so it was possible to stop a programm to run. >> now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is >> something wrong in this version. >> i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4 >> from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i >> hear skype ringing, that is as usual. >> but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended >> the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager >> or i've reboot my computer. >> what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the >> taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list. >> there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer. >> that is very annoing >> is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a >> solution to use skype without false ringing problems? >> i have 64 bit windows 10 running. >> thank you in advance for your answer >> regards >> paul otter >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >
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If by the add-on you mean the Windows 10 App Essentials add-on, then yes to both questions. Not just the most updated Windows and add-on, but also the latest NVDA master snapshot. With all that going, Process Explorer is unusable with NVDA. You can try it for yourself.
Regards
Christo
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On 2018/02/11 10:23 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: You sure about that? Older versions were a bit of a mess, but I've been told they fixed it as long as you have the latest version of windows and the add on.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Christo de Klerk" <christodeklerk@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with NVDA, not usable at all.
Regards
Christo
On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.
Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.
I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.
On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:
Hi everyone.
I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager. This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it. Pretty neat.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
Hi,
It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to showing you fewer details.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much instantly.
Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same way as NVDA as you need to travel across all the eleements headings for each process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous and you can get to where you want pretty easily. Just turn on scan mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
Hi Paul,
Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.
Greetings,
Felix
P. Otter <pam.otter@gmail.com> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:
hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter
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You sure about that? Older versions were a bit of a mess, but I've been told they fixed it as long as you have the latest version of windows and the add on.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Christo de Klerk" <christodeklerk@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with NVDA, not usable at all.
Regards
Christo
On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.
Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.
I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.
On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:
Hi everyone.
I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager. This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it. Pretty neat.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
Hi,
It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to showing you fewer details.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much instantly.
Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same way as NVDA as you need to travel across all the eleements headings for each process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous and you can get to where you want pretty easily. Just turn on scan mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
Hi Paul,
Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.
Greetings,
Felix
P. Otter <pam.otter@gmail.com> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:
hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter
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What makes you think they are not. I'm always being told to get up to date, yet those I know who have seem to have no end of issues in windows 10, the main one, sadly is having to wait for a surprise every few months when Microsoft create a new set of wheels and usually forget to tighten the wheel nuts resulting in one dropping off, so a new fix comes out to superglue it back on. There is a lot to be said for good design and adaptability baked in at the start, rather than this current messing about with operating systems conceived over a coffee or so it seems. By now windows should be a core and have several skins which include the apis that work, so we can make it look and feel like we want for a given task or for those who are used to a particular way of things working.
There will always be security issues and attempting to block holes will always go on and its no good trying to make bomb proof browsers that only half work or whatever only to find its the bloomin hardware which is bust in the first place. Honestly its like some comedy sit com at the moment. Loads of people talking the talk but not actually doing a lot.
Like everything, we are the weakest link in the main, I'm surprised nobody has suggested an upgrade for ourselves by now!
Anyway. getting back to the subject for once, nvda would be much easier to make work if the playing field we were working in did not keep on being dug up by moles and termites. I hope you get my drift.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager Well I am really sick of this, task manager is so crappy and useless because of how it is the win7 one just worked.
I think its time for another alternit to task manager because crappy uia is obviously sucking.
I still say dispite all the new tech thats going on with uia that old crappy crap that it is the old msaa and older decade old out of date and now crappy stuff is still good for the user.
Just because microsoft says its old and crap now doesn't mean the users share the same experience.
Xp is crap because microsoft says it is, yet I am sure it started faster than win10 or 7 ever did on standard hard drives and there was nothing wrong with its interface.
I do wander if there are other task managers that will do simple things, processes and apps, the rest of it can go to the dogs for all I care.
And with all the cpu slowdowns going on due to updates and all the issues around that even the workstation my dad uses even with a lot of stuff taken off is now slow.
I have older i3 units and older systems that while were just barely usefull and some newer systems that were quite speedy, I may as well use for target shooting due to them being so slow they don't work well with anything.
I am glad I still use 7.
Serious outside my blustering, something has to get done with task manager, are ther alternitives, will an older win7 task manager work in the mean time, can the newer task manager get faster.
Universal apps are not like this, if there were like this users would be really angry.
On 10/02/2018 3:46 a.m., Felix G. wrote:
Hi Paul,
Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA.
Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after
opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication
with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is
unfortunately normal.
Greetings,
Felix
P. Otter <pam.otter@gmail.com> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:
hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the
taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter
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Because of a recommendation on this list I downloaded and installed Process Explorer from SysInternals, but it is totally inaccessible with NVDA, not usable at all.
Regards
Christo
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On 2018/02/11 12:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote: Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.
Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.
I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.
On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote:
Hi everyone.
I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager. This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it. Pretty neat.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
Hi,
It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to showing you fewer details.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much instantly.
Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same way as NVDA as you need to travel across all the eleements headings for each process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous and you can get to where you want pretty easily. Just turn on scan mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
Hi Paul,
Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.
Greetings,
Felix
P. Otter <pam.otter@gmail.com> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:
hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter
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Hmmm I don't know why ms don't include all the sysinternals in a feature set download, but I am going to get into that I think.
Maybe even take sys internals as a portable app.
I havn't really looked at that suite with 7 but maybe I will.
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On 10/02/2018 9:47 a.m., JM Casey wrote: Hi everyone.
I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager. This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it. Pretty neat.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
Hi,
It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to showing you fewer details.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much instantly.
Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same way as NVDA as you need to travel across all the eleements headings for each process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous and you can get to where you want pretty easily. Just turn on scan mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
Hi Paul,
Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.
Greetings,
Felix
P. Otter <pam.otter@gmail.com> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:
hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter
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Still a bit round about, for me I have it where the system semi crashes and freezes till task manager opens fully.
Thats not good enough, if we need it well then what.
Narator, and navigating round like that just sucks badly.
Sorry but what I like is the first letter nav for a process you can't get this, seriously, this is really putting me off upgrading.
Task manager on 2 systems shows this slowness and on a really new 7th gen i5 its the only program that makes the system unstable.
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On 10/02/2018 4:25 a.m., David Griffith wrote: I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much instantly.
Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same way as NVDA as you need to travel across all the eleements headings for each process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous and you can get to where you want pretty easily. Just turn on scan mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
From: Felix G.
Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager
Hi Paul,
Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.
Greetings,
Felix
P. Otter <pam.otter@gmail.com> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:
hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter
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Well I am really sick of this, task manager is so crappy and useless because of how it is the win7 one just worked.
I think its time for another alternit to task manager because crappy uia is obviously sucking.
I still say dispite all the new tech thats going on with uia that old crappy crap that it is the old msaa and older decade old out of date and now crappy stuff is still good for the user.
Just because microsoft says its old and crap now doesn't mean the users share the same experience.
Xp is crap because microsoft says it is, yet I am sure it started faster than win10 or 7 ever did on standard hard drives and there was nothing wrong with its interface.
I do wander if there are other task managers that will do simple things, processes and apps, the rest of it can go to the dogs for all I care.
And with all the cpu slowdowns going on due to updates and all the issues around that even the workstation my dad uses even with a lot of stuff taken off is now slow.
I have older i3 units and older systems that while were just barely usefull and some newer systems that were quite speedy, I may as well use for target shooting due to them being so slow they don't work well with anything.
I am glad I still use 7.
Serious outside my blustering, something has to get done with task manager, are ther alternitives, will an older win7 task manager work in the mean time, can the newer task manager get faster.
Universal apps are not like this, if there were like this users would be really angry.
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On 10/02/2018 3:46 a.m., Felix G. wrote: Hi Paul,
Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA.
Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after
opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication
with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is
unfortunately normal.
Greetings,
Felix
P. Otter <pam.otter@gmail.com> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:
hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the
taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter
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Well you can always set all calls to autoanswer.
You can also check your communications page in sound settings to make sure that its not doing anything.
I have never had that issue on 7 but what I have noticed is that i have had to answer calls from the contact itself or message ariea rather than the answer menu.
I am unsure about the answering but to be honest if you set it to autoanswer the phone will not ring which is fine if in front of your system.
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On 10/02/2018 1:13 a.m., P. Otter wrote: hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter
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Hmm so one is forced to wonder why they do not ship it as standard. I suspect we here have a situation where its only slow for us blind folk, and this is probably due to the usual issues of slow UI routines again then.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@ca.inter.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager Hi everyone. I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager. This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it. Pretty neat. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager Hi, It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to showing you fewer details. Cheers, Joseph From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much instantly. Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same way as NVDA as you need to travel across all the eleements headings for each process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous and you can get to where you want pretty easily. Just turn on scan mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go. David Griffith My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/My Blind hammer Blog https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/postsFrom: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com> Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager Hi Paul, Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal. Greetings, Felix P. Otter <pam.otter@gmail.com> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr: hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager. so it was possible to stop a programm to run. now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is something wrong in this version. i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4 from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i hear skype ringing, that is as usual. but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager or i've reboot my computer. what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list. there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer. that is very annoing is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a solution to use skype without false ringing problems? i have 64 bit windows 10 running. thank you in advance for your answer regards paul otter
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Paul,
I don't know how it works with NVDA, but you
can also look at an alternative like Process explorer from Sysinternals and
Sysinternals is from Microsoft.
Process explorer can replace the taskmanager
and is much fastr but as I said: don't know how it works with NVDA.
Something you
have to know:
In a 64 bit windows it is advised to use the
64bit version of process explorer. In the menu there is an option to replace
taskmanager. When you press ctrl-shift-esc, it will open process explorer.
There is no option to undo this action.
When you start the 32bit version of process
explorer you can uncheck the replace taskmanager option.
Regards, Marten
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On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 23:59:26 +0100 "P. Otter"
< pam.otter@...> wrote:
thanks man!
i'm
happy again!
cheers
paul otter
Op 9-2-2018 om 15:46
schreef Felix G.:
Hi Paul,
Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10
due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10
Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some
time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a
minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal. Greetings, Felix
P. Otter < pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9.
Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr: hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible
for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was
possible to stop a programm to run.
now,
i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and
nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40
of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear
skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i
accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've
stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've
reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it
was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list,
list.
there is nothing i can do else than
reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager
again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype
without false ringing problems?
i have 64
bit windows 10 running.
thank you in
advance for your answer
regards
paul otter
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thanks man!
i'm happy again!
cheers
paul otter
Op 9-2-2018 om 15:46 schreef Felix G.:
Hi Paul,
Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it
implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials
add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it
some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For
me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is
unfortunately normal.
Greetings,
Felix
P. Otter < pam.otter@...> schrieb
am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:
hello, a
long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the
taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but
there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is
calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when
i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the
taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use
the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or
ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter
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