a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


chester michael <chet_smalley@...>
 

Hello,
I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did), and received no response from the program, at all.
Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and launched NVDA.
At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I believe comes with NVDA.
In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be functional, at all.
So what is wrong?
My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
One other thing:
I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of course.
Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order for a semblance of NVDA to appear
I guess my basic question is this:
why won't NVDA run on its own??
In advance, Many thanks.

Regards,
Chet


Sky Mundell
 

Hello. My name is Sky, and I am an assistive technology specialist in British Columbia, Canada. It is extremely weird how NVDA on your end doesn't talk during the installation. Perhaps a suggestion for you that you could try. Did you shut down AVG before installing NVDA? Because too often, I have seen this happen, if you don't shut down your virus program. Perhaps you might want to shut down your virus program, and uninstall, and then reinstall NVDA, and see what happens. JAWS and NVDA should be able to coexist happily on your machine. Thanks, Sky.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of chester michael
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 1:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Hello,
I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did), and received no response from the program, at all.
Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and launched NVDA.
At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I believe comes with NVDA.
In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be functional, at all.
So what is wrong?
My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
One other thing:
I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of course.
Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order for a semblance of NVDA to appear I guess my basic question is this:
why won't NVDA run on its own??
In advance, Many thanks.

Regards,
Chet


Sky Mundell
 

And if your installing NVDA, the talking installer should come up talking for you automatically.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of chester michael
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 1:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Hello,
I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did), and received no response from the program, at all.
Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and launched NVDA.
At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I believe comes with NVDA.
In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be functional, at all.
So what is wrong?
My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
One other thing:
I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of course.
Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order for a semblance of NVDA to appear I guess my basic question is this:
why won't NVDA run on its own??
In advance, Many thanks.

Regards,
Chet


Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Chet


NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or press the enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it does go to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it.


NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part is the documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after that tab to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it will then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to make a portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary copy. Most people would choose the first option and install it to your computer.


Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up say yes to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab to itand say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick.


When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for laptop use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda

to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then arrow to the different sections like the user manual under the help section etc

to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q


Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insrt key the extended insert key or the capslock key.


Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example would be the insert key + letter Q



By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp and vista was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3


If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also.


Gene nz





On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote:
Hello,
I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did), and received no response from the program, at all.
Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and launched NVDA.
At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I believe comes with NVDA.
In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be functional, at all.
So what is wrong?
My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
One other thing:
I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of course.
Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order for a semblance of NVDA to appear
I guess my basic question is this:
why won't NVDA run on its own??
In advance, Many thanks.

Regards,
Chet




--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Gene
 

This is almost certainly not connected with an antivirus program.  You would have received some sort of message from the program.  Also, some NVDA users use AVG.  there was a thread, I believe on this list, that running JAWS 18, as I recall, causes some sort of problem that prevents NVDA from running.  I don't recall how this was corrected.  So I would advise not doing anything for perhaps a day, while you wait to see if the person who discussed the problem discusses it in this thread. 
 

Gene
---- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Hello. My name is Sky, and I am an assistive technology specialist in British Columbia, Canada.  It is extremely weird how NVDA on your end doesn't talk during the installation. Perhaps a suggestion for you that you could try. Did you shut down AVG before installing NVDA? Because too often, I have seen this happen, if you don't shut down your virus program. Perhaps you might want to shut down your virus program, and uninstall, and then reinstall NVDA, and see what happens.  JAWS and NVDA should be able to coexist happily on your machine.  Thanks, Sky.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of chester michael
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 1:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Hello,
I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did), and received no response from the program, at all.
Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and launched NVDA.
At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I believe comes with NVDA.
In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be functional, at all.
So what is wrong?
My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
One other thing:
I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of course.
Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order for a semblance of NVDA to appear I guess my basic question is this:
why won't NVDA run on its own??
In advance, Many thanks.

Regards,
Chet







Gene
 

It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the talking installer doesn't talk.  Since the talking installer is actually the portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem.  Something is keeping NVDA from running.  It's not that the talking installer just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just as the installed version isn't.
 
The other Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Hi Chet


NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or press the enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it does go to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it.


NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part is the documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after that tab to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it will then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to make a portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary copy. Most people would choose the first option and install it to your computer.


Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up say yes to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab to itand say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick.


When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for laptop use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda

to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then arrow to the different sections like the user manual under the help section etc

to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q


Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insrt key the extended insert key or the capslock key.


Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example would be the insert key + letter Q



By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp and vista was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3


If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also.


Gene nz





On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote:
Hello,
I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did), and received no response from the program, at all.
Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and launched NVDA.
At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I believe comes with NVDA.
In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be functional, at all.
So what is wrong?
My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
One other thing:
I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of course.
Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order for a semblance of NVDA to appear
I guess my basic question is this:
why won't NVDA run on its own??
In advance, Many thanks.

Regards,
Chet




--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Gene
 

I didn't look extensively, but here is a discussion that may be relevant to your proboem.  Also, I said JAWS 18, I believe.  I see that the problem is with JAWS 2018. 
 
I don't recall if a solution was ever found but the thread may be of interest if you are using JAWS 2018.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the talking installer doesn't talk.  Since the talking installer is actually the portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem.  Something is keeping NVDA from running.  It's not that the talking installer just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just as the installed version isn't.
 
The other Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Hi Chet


NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or press the enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it does go to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it.


NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part is the documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after that tab to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it will then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to make a portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary copy. Most people would choose the first option and install it to your computer.


Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up say yes to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab to itand say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick.


When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for laptop use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda

to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then arrow to the different sections like the user manual under the help section etc

to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q


Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insrt key the extended insert key or the capslock key.


Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example would be the insert key + letter Q



By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp and vista was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3


If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also.


Gene nz





On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote:
Hello,
I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did), and received no response from the program, at all.
Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and launched NVDA.
At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I believe comes with NVDA.
In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be functional, at all.
So what is wrong?
My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
One other thing:
I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of course.
Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order for a semblance of NVDA to appear
I guess my basic question is this:
why won't NVDA run on its own??
In advance, Many thanks.

Regards,
Chet




--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Roger Stewart
 

Yes, nvda has a talking installer that uses the Espeak voice.  I have a friend who is using nvda and also has JAWS installed and uses it as well.  He had them both running at the same time once, and they both worked just fine.  Only thing is the speech was a bit confusing to listen to because they were talking at different rates and it was just hard to follow it all but they worked together with no problems.  I know nothing of AG as I use the Windows Security Essentials or Windows Defender as it is now called and I have no problem installing nvda with it running.

Roger

On 2/11/2018 3:13 PM, chester michael wrote:
Hello,
I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did), and received no response from the program, at all.
Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and launched NVDA.
At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I believe comes with NVDA.
In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be functional, at all.
So what is wrong?
My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
One other thing:
I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of course.
Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order for a semblance of NVDA to appear
I guess my basic question is this:
why won't NVDA run on its own??
In advance, Many thanks.

Regards,
Chet


.


Kevin Cussick
 

I wonder if you have more than 1 sound card? I doubt this is the problem, it is more likely that it is your AV program that is the cause good luck.

On 11/02/2018 21:43, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello. My name is Sky, and I am an assistive technology specialist in British Columbia, Canada. It is extremely weird how NVDA on your end doesn't talk during the installation. Perhaps a suggestion for you that you could try. Did you shut down AVG before installing NVDA? Because too often, I have seen this happen, if you don't shut down your virus program. Perhaps you might want to shut down your virus program, and uninstall, and then reinstall NVDA, and see what happens. JAWS and NVDA should be able to coexist happily on your machine. Thanks, Sky.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of chester michael
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 1:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost
Hello,
I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did), and received no response from the program, at all.
Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and launched NVDA.
At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I believe comes with NVDA.
In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be functional, at all.
So what is wrong?
My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
One other thing:
I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of course.
Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order for a semblance of NVDA to appear I guess my basic question is this:
why won't NVDA run on its own??
In advance, Many thanks.
Regards,
Chet


Brian's Mail list account
 

I think you have got yourself muddled by trying too many changes at once.
1. take your machine back via system restore to before your first attempt at loading nvda. make sure your jaws functions correctly.
2. Try running the archive of nvda and see if nvda then mostly works, ie you can bring up the menu and all of that stuff.
Turn off Jaws.
3 Check that nvda is still working with the espeak voice it has by default.
4. Now do an install.
There is nothing really for it to talk to you about, since the only screen you need speech for is the main one which allows limited options important for when nvda starts. For now at least say do not start when computer starts. Once its installed you should hear the rising tones as it reboots in when you do the right alt n key and everything should be working including the menus and property sheets with the default synth.
5. Now you can if you want explore the synths available or the voice variants in espeak etc. Once you have got the basics working save the settings.
6. here I'd also suggest you create a portable version in a folder you can easily get to, this will also allow all currently set parameters to be saved so you have a back up of your configuration.
7. Now come out of nvda with insert/q and then try your jaws. make sure it still works OK.
If all is well then there is no problem. Try a complete windows restart and check that jaws starts and that you can shut it down and start nvda with the shortcut. if it works all is fine.
Basically if anything fails during this, then let us know the details on here.
It is I suppose possibly its avg, but I have not had recent experience of it. I rather tend to use Microsoft's own solution with a manually run malware remover every week or so, just in case myself.
It could be any other sort of security software as well, but one would hope a message might come up and tell you of a problem in that case.
If using Windows 10, it can be very handy to invoke narrator and see if it spots anything neither screenreader is showing you while you diagnose the issue. many people seem to think nvda has not installed simply because it installs with very few choices, as all the configuring is done after the install, as and whey you feel the need.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "chester michael" <chet_smalley@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:13 PM
Subject: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


Hello,
I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did), and received no response from the program, at all.
Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and launched NVDA.
At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I believe comes with NVDA.
In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be functional, at all.
So what is wrong?
My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
One other thing:
I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of course.
Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order for a semblance of NVDA to appear
I guess my basic question is this:
why won't NVDA run on its own??
In advance, Many thanks.

Regards,
Chet


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Exactly, which is why I suggest going back to before it was first attempted and proceeding step by step.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the talking installer doesn't talk. Since the talking installer is actually the portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem. Something is keeping NVDA from running. It's not that the talking installer just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just as the installed version isn't.

The other Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


Hi Chet





NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or press the enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it does go to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it.




NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part is the documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after that tab to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it will then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to make a portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary copy. Most people would choose the first option and install it to your computer.




Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up say yes to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab to itand say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick.




When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for laptop use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda

to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then arrow to the different sections like the user manual under the help section etc

to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q




Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insrt key the extended insert key or the capslock key.




Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example would be the insert key + letter Q







By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp and vista was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3




If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also.




Gene nz












On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote:

Hello,
I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did), and received no response from the program, at all.
Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and launched NVDA.
At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I believe comes with NVDA.
In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be functional, at all.
So what is wrong?
My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
One other thing:
I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of course.
Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order for a semblance of NVDA to appear
I guess my basic question is this:
why won't NVDA run on its own??
In advance, Many thanks.

Regards,
Chet






--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Gene
 

I don't think any of this will work.  It sounds as though it is the same problem I saw discussed here before.  This is the first time the person has used NVDA.  The person is a new NVDA user.  If he had used it before, he wouldn't have said, > I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking installer."  The person would have run the talking installer since it runs automatically. 
 
I wouldn't do anything until we see if the person who had what appears to be the same problem responds to the thread.  If that doesn't happen in a day or two, I'm not sure what the next step should be.  You can spend a good deal of time trying all sorts of things and not solve anything if the problem is what I think it is.  If it isn't, then some of this trial and error may be in order.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

I think you have got yourself muddled by trying too many changes at once.
 1. take your machine back via system restore to before your first attempt
at loading nvda. make sure your jaws functions correctly.
2. Try running the archive of nvda and see if nvda then mostly works, ie you
can bring up the menu and all of that stuff.
Turn off Jaws.
3 Check that nvda is still working with the espeak voice it has by default.
4.  Now do an install.
 There is nothing really for it to talk to you about, since the only screen
you need speech for is the main one which allows limited options important
for when nvda starts. For now at least say do not start when computer
starts. Once its installed you should hear the rising tones as it reboots in
when you do the right alt n key and everything should be working including
the menus and property sheets with the default synth.
5. Now you can if you want explore the synths available or the voice
variants in espeak etc. Once you have got the basics working save the
settings.
 6.  here I'd also suggest you create a portable version in a folder you can
easily get to, this will also allow all currently set parameters to be saved
so you have a back up of your configuration.
 7. Now come out of nvda with insert/q and then try your jaws. make sure it
still works OK.
If all is well then there is no problem. Try a complete windows restart and
check that jaws starts and that you can shut it down and start nvda with the
shortcut. if it works all is fine.
 Basically if anything fails during this, then let us know the details on
here.
 It is I suppose possibly its avg, but I have not had recent experience of
it. I rather tend to use Microsoft's own solution with a manually run
malware remover every week or so, just in case myself.
 It could be any other sort of security software as well, but one would hope
a message might come up and tell you of a problem in that case.
 If using Windows 10, it can be very handy to invoke narrator and see if it
spots anything neither screenreader is showing you while you diagnose the
issue. many people seem to think nvda has not installed simply because it
installs with very few choices, as all the configuring is done after the
install, as and whey you feel the need.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "chester michael" <chet_smalley@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:13 PM
Subject: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


> Hello,
> I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth
> of Pennsylvania.
> I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
> Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its
> presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
> I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did),
> and received no response from the program, at all.
> Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and
> launched NVDA.
> At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer
> navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the
> voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I
> believe comes with NVDA.
> In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the
> voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be
> functional, at all.
> So what is wrong?
> My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one
> degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS
> and its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
> One other thing:
> I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking
> installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of
> course.
> Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and
> received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I
> was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS
> was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in
> order for a semblance of NVDA to appear
> I guess my basic question is this:
> why won't NVDA run on its own??
> In advance, Many thanks.
>
> Regards,
> Chet
>
>
>




Gene
 

That may be a useless procedure if the problem is what I think it is and it may not be a good idea in general for this reason:
How far back should you go?  System restore only saves restore points for perhaps two or three months.  Unless the person has used a different version of JAWS during that time, going back won't help if the problem is what I suspect it is.  If it isn't. you could, of course, go back using System Restore to an earlier and earlier time, but without knowing what the problem is and since there was no time at which NVDA was known to run, this is not necessarily going to help anything. 
 
And if it does solve the problem, and if the problem is what I think it is, how many changes have been made to the machine since then in programs and settings that will have to be done over?  Again, I would not do this or anything, until seeing if the person who appears to have had the same problem responds.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Exactly, which is why I suggest going back to before it was first attempted
and proceeding step by step.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the talking
installer doesn't talk.  Since the talking installer is actually the
portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem.
Something is keeping NVDA from running.  It's not that the talking installer
just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just as the
installed version isn't.

The other Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


Hi Chet





NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your
computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or press the
enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it does go
to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it.




NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part is the
documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after that tab
to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it will
then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to make a
portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary copy. Most
people would choose the first option and install it to your computer.




Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up say yes
to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab to itand
say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick.




When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for laptop
use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda

to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then arrow
to the different sections like the user manual under the help section etc

to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q




Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insrt
key the extended insert key or the capslock key.




Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example would be the
insert key + letter Q







By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp and vista
was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3




If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the
latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also.




Gene nz












On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote:

  Hello,
  I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth
of Pennsylvania.
  I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
  Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its
presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
  I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did),
and received no response from the program, at all.
  Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and
launched NVDA.
  At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer
navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the
voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I
believe comes with NVDA.
  In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the
voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be
functional, at all.
  So what is wrong?
  My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one
degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and
its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
  One other thing:
  I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking
installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of
course.
  Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and
received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I
was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS
was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order
for a semblance of NVDA to appear
  I guess my basic question is this:
  why won't NVDA run on its own??
  In advance, Many thanks.

  Regards,
  Chet






--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.




Gene
 

Since the person hasn't responded who wrote about the problem, his screen name is The Wolf, I'll say that this problem may or may not be what I thought it likely was but here is something you can try if you are currently running JAWS 2018.  It is a message he sent the list two or three weeks ago.  You can have as many copies of JAWS on your machine as you wish so you can try this and see if it solves the problem.  If not, you can try other things others have suggested.  I'm not optimistic about this trial and error method but you never know.  But doing what is discussed in the below quoted message is easy and if it solves the problem, you can just leave two copies of JAWS on your machine.  I think that if you install another copy of JAWS, you will have to create a short cut command such as control j for whatever version you want to be able to run in that way.  I believe that if you have a current shortcut, it will be removed but you will have to check about that. 
 
Also, you may have to reset the run before boot up and whatever other commands there are that are relevant.  But I wouldn't have JAWS 2018 run for now.  I wouldn't run it either during testing.  Just have JAWS 18 run.  Then see if you can run NVDA.  Try running the NVDA.exe file while JAWS 18 is running.  If it doesn't run, you can see if there is an error message.  If it runs, you will either have two screen-readers running at once or the NVDA installer will be smart enough to unload JAWS when the talking installer is ready to talk.
 
The message is below my signature.
 
Gene
 
Hello just for the hell of it I installed jaws 18 along with jaws 2018 and now the nvda doesn't give me the error message
 
not sure if installing jaws 18 fixed the jaws 2018 dll issue with nvda can any one please confirm this am trying to figure out if I need to send a nvda log with the error that it was giving me
 
something screwy is conflicting I mean I got the issue fixed for now but I need to see if I am the only one having this issue if not then I think a bug needs to be filed.
 
if I am the only one running in to this issue  what can I do to help track this issue?
 
Hank

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

That may be a useless procedure if the problem is what I think it is and it may not be a good idea in general for this reason:
How far back should you go?  System restore only saves restore points for perhaps two or three months.  Unless the person has used a different version of JAWS during that time, going back won't help if the problem is what I suspect it is.  If it isn't. you could, of course, go back using System Restore to an earlier and earlier time, but without knowing what the problem is and since there was no time at which NVDA was known to run, this is not necessarily going to help anything. 
 
And if it does solve the problem, and if the problem is what I think it is, how many changes have been made to the machine since then in programs and settings that will have to be done over?  Again, I would not do this or anything, until seeing if the person who appears to have had the same problem responds.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Exactly, which is why I suggest going back to before it was first attempted
and proceeding step by step.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the talking
installer doesn't talk.  Since the talking installer is actually the
portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem.
Something is keeping NVDA from running.  It's not that the talking installer
just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just as the
installed version isn't.

The other Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


Hi Chet





NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your
computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or press the
enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it does go
to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it.




NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part is the
documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after that tab
to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it will
then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to make a
portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary copy. Most
people would choose the first option and install it to your computer.




Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up say yes
to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab to itand
say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick.




When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for laptop
use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda

to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then arrow
to the different sections like the user manual under the help section etc

to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q




Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insrt
key the extended insert key or the capslock key.




Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example would be the
insert key + letter Q







By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp and vista
was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3




If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the
latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also.




Gene nz












On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote:

  Hello,
  I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth
of Pennsylvania.
  I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
  Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its
presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
  I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did),
and received no response from the program, at all.
  Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and
launched NVDA.
  At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer
navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the
voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I
believe comes with NVDA.
  In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the
voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be
functional, at all.
  So what is wrong?
  My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one
degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and
its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
  One other thing:
  I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking
installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of
course.
  Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and
received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I
was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS
was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order
for a semblance of NVDA to appear
  I guess my basic question is this:
  why won't NVDA run on its own??
  In advance, Many thanks.

  Regards,
  Chet






--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.




 

Hello

try removing jaws 2018 and see if that fixes the issue

the problem I was running in to was a dll issue but removing jaws 2018 and just running jaws18 has seemed to fix the problem

hth
Hank

On 2/12/2018 9:27 AM, Gene wrote:
Since the person hasn't responded who wrote about the problem, his screen name is The Wolf, I'll say that this problem may or may not be what I thought it likely was but here is something you can try if you are currently running JAWS 2018.  It is a message he sent the list two or three weeks ago.  You can have as many copies of JAWS on your machine as you wish so you can try this and see if it solves the problem.  If not, you can try other things others have suggested.  I'm not optimistic about this trial and error method but you never know.  But doing what is discussed in the below quoted message is easy and if it solves the problem, you can just leave two copies of JAWS on your machine.  I think that if you install another copy of JAWS, you will have to create a short cut command such as control j for whatever version you want to be able to run in that way.  I believe that if you have a current shortcut, it will be removed but you will have to check about that. 
 
Also, you may have to reset the run before boot up and whatever other commands there are that are relevant.  But I wouldn't have JAWS 2018 run for now.  I wouldn't run it either during testing.  Just have JAWS 18 run.  Then see if you can run NVDA.  Try running the NVDA.exe file while JAWS 18 is running.  If it doesn't run, you can see if there is an error message.  If it runs, you will either have two screen-readers running at once or the NVDA installer will be smart enough to unload JAWS when the talking installer is ready to talk.
 
The message is below my signature.
 
Gene
 
Hello just for the hell of it I installed jaws 18 along with jaws 2018 and now the nvda doesn't give me the error message
 
not sure if installing jaws 18 fixed the jaws 2018 dll issue with nvda can any one please confirm this am trying to figure out if I need to send a nvda log with the error that it was giving me
 
something screwy is conflicting I mean I got the issue fixed for now but I need to see if I am the only one having this issue if not then I think a bug needs to be filed.
 
if I am the only one running in to this issue  what can I do to help track this issue?
 
Hank
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

That may be a useless procedure if the problem is what I think it is and it may not be a good idea in general for this reason:
How far back should you go?  System restore only saves restore points for perhaps two or three months.  Unless the person has used a different version of JAWS during that time, going back won't help if the problem is what I suspect it is.  If it isn't. you could, of course, go back using System Restore to an earlier and earlier time, but without knowing what the problem is and since there was no time at which NVDA was known to run, this is not necessarily going to help anything. 
 
And if it does solve the problem, and if the problem is what I think it is, how many changes have been made to the machine since then in programs and settings that will have to be done over?  Again, I would not do this or anything, until seeing if the person who appears to have had the same problem responds.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Exactly, which is why I suggest going back to before it was first attempted
and proceeding step by step.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the talking
installer doesn't talk.  Since the talking installer is actually the
portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem.
Something is keeping NVDA from running.  It's not that the talking installer
just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just as the
installed version isn't.

The other Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


Hi Chet





NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your
computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or press the
enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it does go
to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it.




NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part is the
documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after that tab
to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it will
then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to make a
portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary copy. Most
people would choose the first option and install it to your computer.




Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up say yes
to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab to itand
say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick.




When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for laptop
use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda

to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then arrow
to the different sections like the user manual under the help section etc

to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q




Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insrt
key the extended insert key or the capslock key.




Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example would be the
insert key + letter Q







By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp and vista
was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3




If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the
latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also.




Gene nz












On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote:

  Hello,
  I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth
of Pennsylvania.
  I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
  Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its
presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
  I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did),
and received no response from the program, at all.
  Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and
launched NVDA.
  At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer
navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the
voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I
believe comes with NVDA.
  In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the
voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be
functional, at all.
  So what is wrong?
  My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one
degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and
its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
  One other thing:
  I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking
installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of
course.
  Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and
received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I
was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS
was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order
for a semblance of NVDA to appear
  I guess my basic question is this:
  why won't NVDA run on its own??
  In advance, Many thanks.

  Regards,
  Chet






--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.





chester michael <chet_smalley@...>
 

Greetings,

I disabled a soundcard, yes, there were two running, and now, things are fine.

Thank you to all of you who answered so quickly!

On 02/12/2018 11:35 AM, The Wolf wrote:

Hello

try removing jaws 2018 and see if that fixes the issue

the problem I was running in to was a dll issue but removing jaws 2018 and just running jaws18 has seemed to fix the problem

hth
Hank

On 2/12/2018 9:27 AM, Gene wrote:
Since the person hasn't responded who wrote about the problem, his screen name is The Wolf, I'll say that this problem may or may not be what I thought it likely was but here is something you can try if you are currently running JAWS 2018.  It is a message he sent the list two or three weeks ago.  You can have as many copies of JAWS on your machine as you wish so you can try this and see if it solves the problem.  If not, you can try other things others have suggested.  I'm not optimistic about this trial and error method but you never know.  But doing what is discussed in the below quoted message is easy and if it solves the problem, you can just leave two copies of JAWS on your machine.  I think that if you install another copy of JAWS, you will have to create a short cut command such as control j for whatever version you want to be able to run in that way.  I believe that if you have a current shortcut, it will be removed but you will have to check about that.
Also, you may have to reset the run before boot up and whatever other commands there are that are relevant.  But I wouldn't have JAWS 2018 run for now.  I wouldn't run it either during testing.  Just have JAWS 18 run.  Then see if you can run NVDA.  Try running the NVDA.exe file while JAWS 18 is running.  If it doesn't run, you can see if there is an error message.  If it runs, you will either have two screen-readers running at once or the NVDA installer will be smart enough to unload JAWS when the talking installer is ready to talk.
The message is below my signature.
Gene
Hello just for the hell of it I installed jaws 18 along with jaws 2018 and now the nvda doesn't give me the error message
not sure if installing jaws 18 fixed the jaws 2018 dll issue with nvda can any one please confirm this am trying to figure out if I need to send a nvda log with the error that it was giving me
something screwy is conflicting I mean I got the issue fixed for now but I need to see if I am the only one having this issue if not then I think a bug needs to be filed.
if I am the only one running in to this issue  what can I do to help track this issue?
Hank
----- Original Message -----
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*Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 5:13 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

That may be a useless procedure if the problem is what I think it is and it may not be a good idea in general for this reason:
How far back should you go? System restore only saves restore points for perhaps two or three months.  Unless the person has used a different version of JAWS during that time, going back won't help if the problem is what I suspect it is.  If it isn't. you could, of course, go back using System Restore to an earlier and earlier time, but without knowing what the problem is and since there was no time at which NVDA was known to run, this is not necessarily going to help anything.
And if it does solve the problem, and if the problem is what I think it is, how many changes have been made to the machine since then in programs and settings that will have to be done over?  Again, I would not do this or anything, until seeing if the person who appears to have had the same problem responds.
Gene
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*Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:59 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Exactly, which is why I suggest going back to before it was first attempted
and proceeding step by step.
 Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the talking
installer doesn't talk.  Since the talking installer is actually the
portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem.
Something is keeping NVDA from running.  It's not that the talking installer
just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just as the
installed version isn't.

The other Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


Hi Chet





NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your
computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or press the
enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it does go
to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it.




NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part is the
documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after that tab
to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it will
then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to make a
portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary copy. Most
people would choose the first option and install it to your computer.




Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up say yes
to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab to itand
say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick.




When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for laptop
use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda

to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then arrow
to the different sections like the user manual under the help section etc

to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q




Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insrt
key the extended insert key or the capslock key.




Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example would be the
insert key + letter Q







By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp and vista
was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3




If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the
latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also.




Gene nz












On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote:

  Hello,
  I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth
of Pennsylvania.
  I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
  Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its
presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
  I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did),
and received no response from the program, at all.
  Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and
launched NVDA.
  At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer
navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the
voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I
believe comes with NVDA.
  In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the
voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be
functional, at all.
  So what is wrong?
  My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one
degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and
its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
  One other thing:
  I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking
installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of
course.
  Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and
received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I
was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS
was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order
for a semblance of NVDA to appear
  I guess my basic question is this:
  why won't NVDA run on its own??
  In advance, Many thanks.

  Regards,
  Chet






--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.



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(814) 566-6332


 

Could be anything from hardware to software.

Its why when I get a problem like this, unless I need to try to peal back layers if its to deep I start from 0, and start writing notes.

First the issue, do tests see where things stand.

Then its time to get dirty.

You can try this yourself, but the procedure is long.

In first place, go to device manager and see what your sound card is, you may have a corrupted driver, if its realtech you can search for that and just install that though be aware that the latest 2.82 release has a non working control panel so for those of us without the unlocked cards, luckily my desktops and laptops have unlocked cards so I don't need the control panel at all, but on my laptop I do maintain it just doesn't work and I will have to get the latest drivers from the makers.

That may work.

Next, try to make another account in the users control panel, and if it works transfer all your documents and stuff over to it by coppying your documents, videos, pictures and music folders over plus any other folders you have in your user folder over that are not app folders like appdata, etc or any file in the root of that folder and delete the old account, should take you 30 minutes.

Its possible this is all your having.

In which case, stop reading.

We can move on though.

next using firefox or internet explorer go to www.pcpitstop.com/betapit and do a test.

They really want you to buy software to fix your issue and they fail you on the internet buffers thing but its not important, you need to look at any other warnings you get, oh you can forget about fragmentation and caches and things like this.

Don't bother with making an account you don't need it.

If there is any basic issue that should pop it up.

Next, search for and get speedfan, and install it, there should be a menu or tab somewhere that talks about hard disks, select each internal drive you have and perform an online test and see if there are any problems.

Completely unrelated but we need to check for everything, I have never checked temps of hardware but you could go into that later if you had to.

Next get belarc adviser, you need this especially if its a desktop, get your mutherboard number well at least model and just type that in to google and get the mnufacturer of your box, search for drivers, bios, etc and where needed maybe with sight update as needed.

At this point you are probably about done, being updated should be done.

Malware scan and antivirus scan if you want defrag and do chkdsks on the disk if you want.

Clear your junk with disk cleanup.

All this is really basic,

Next, check all your software you have, some of it may need updating, maybe you should uninstall jaws and see if it comes back and reinstall it again.

Finally note down what software, runtimes, etc you have from your programs list and see what you need and do not need.

For me, thats windows, java, flash, shockwave, codec packs, drivers ofcause, windows ofcause, office if needed, gps software if needed, itunes icloud, google sync software if needed, runtimes for visual  studio and vb6, directx and my software I use,

That being cdbxp, goldwave, audacity, abby fine reader, adobe dc, nvda,supernova sr.

Out of all that, the runtimes, the packs, java, all adobe software, ccleaner, 7zip, and cdbxp are standard features I load on everything.

Every system I maintain has a subset of the programs with some of that huge list above.

But you may not remember what you have, some of it may be out dated, some not used, some you were doodling with, loads of issues and I think I left out my tts packages of which I have 2.

Now, its time to get dirty.

I'd try to clean out your desktop if you can with compresser or something of dust maybe check your connections while at it.

Next its time to get dirty.

If you get sighted help do a reset of your bios and check its all supposed to be ok I have had it where not all settings were saved after an update and that some settings do not always save right.

Next, A full reformat and the system is ready to use.

Now in steps at least for me, I do the following.

Install windows, extra optional features if needed, runtimes, directx, slim dx, java, codec packs, software players like vlc, my reader nvda, ccleaner, 7zip and cdbxp.

Install all addons I need.

Install all updates I need.

Then stop and look at my list.

Install extras I need depending on the system.

Test and run the system for a day with the stuff loaded.

Load everything else you would usually use from your list, updating and testing as you go.

By now you should have your software loaded.

If in this step something screws up, note that down and restore the system to a time just before that run then keep going.

Note you shouldn't have issues with this if its a basic package, I pole for basic non automatic updates every 6 months or so.

But if you have a problem at this point it means you may need an update, the issue is solved by updating the software or reporting the issue and getting a fix.

With my realtech issue I reported it to realtech, they havn't responded sadly but oh well. I tried.

The next is to see what else could be it, chances are you won't know till you do something along the line and it popps up.

Have you checked your cabling, do other sounds play.

To be honest it sounds like the soundcard/user account issue I had in january with a system service.

In this scenario, the user had just managed to clear out an infection/ corruption on his server.

The issue was partly to do with a dead wireless card and security device which didn't work due to incompatability due to age.

As a result updates never updated right, things got in and drivers got corrupted.

I firstly reinstalled the corrupted drivers.

Next, I made a new account which worked and transfered all the files to it then killed the old account and files.

Meanwhile I was ordering a new wireless card and security device which came the next day.

I installed them and reports from the user not only have shown that things are working but that the performance is better.

In this scenario, I was able via device manager and via add remove programs were able to find the drivers were dammaged.

I also saw uncompleted updates, unfinnished scans and a lot of extra mangling consistant with a bad connection to the net.

A lot of the tools that should have protected things had simply shut down because they couldn't connect at all.

After cleaning part of the user account was dammaged.

A search on google for the ralink devices found them discontinued and the company gone.

I was able to source locally and quickly a d link wireless card and install it though sadly I got the wrong size but it works.

All in all a happy time.

But it may not be like this it rarely ever is.

Then again that may exactly be the issue.

Usually if an issue is so hard to solve over the phone I usually if local get the system to my address and look at it there.

9 times out a million I find the issue.

Or it maybe a different issue unrelated and again I fix that issue.

I may simply not find an issue to fix or can't find an issue that I can solve myself.

Or it maybe not on the system but infrastructure round it.

I have often come through this but often after looking for updates and updating things if it doesn't work, a full reformat and really slow rebuild finds outdated things non used modules and other things.

Most of which I have, forgot to update or simply there are new versions out that fix the issue.

Chances are that I never saw these so myself and others are out of date, and I can update as needed.

Usually if its hardware I don't touch it though.

On 13/02/2018 12:13 a.m., Gene wrote:
That may be a useless procedure if the problem is what I think it is and it may not be a good idea in general for this reason:
How far back should you go? System restore only saves restore points for perhaps two or three months. Unless the person has used a different version of JAWS during that time, going back won't help if the problem is what I suspect it is. If it isn't. you could, of course, go back using System Restore to an earlier and earlier time, but without knowing what the problem is and since there was no time at which NVDA was known to run, this is not necessarily going to help anything.

And if it does solve the problem, and if the problem is what I think it is, how many changes have been made to the machine since then in programs and settings that will have to be done over? Again, I would not do this or anything, until seeing if the person who appears to have had the same problem responds.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


Exactly, which is why I suggest going back to before it was first attempted
and proceeding step by step.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the talking
installer doesn't talk. Since the talking installer is actually the
portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem.
Something is keeping NVDA from running. It's not that the talking installer
just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just as the
installed version isn't.

The other Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


Hi Chet





NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your
computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or press the
enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it does go
to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it.




NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part is the
documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after that tab
to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it will
then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to make a
portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary copy. Most
people would choose the first option and install it to your computer.




Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up say yes
to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab to itand
say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick.




When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for laptop
use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda

to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then arrow
to the different sections like the user manual under the help section etc

to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q




Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insrt
key the extended insert key or the capslock key.




Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example would be the
insert key + letter Q







By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp and vista
was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3




If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the
latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also.




Gene nz












On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote:

Hello,
I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth
of Pennsylvania.
I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its
presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did),
and received no response from the program, at all.
Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and
launched NVDA.
At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer
navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the
voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I
believe comes with NVDA.
In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the
voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be
functional, at all.
So what is wrong?
My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one
degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and
its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
One other thing:
I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking
installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of
course.
Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and
received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I
was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS
was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order
for a semblance of NVDA to appear
I guess my basic question is this:
why won't NVDA run on its own??
In advance, Many thanks.

Regards,
Chet






 

Well you didn't have to disable sound cards, just select the right 1 for your default card and there is a button to check.

On 13/02/2018 8:11 a.m., chester michael wrote:
Greetings,

I disabled a soundcard, yes, there were two running, and now, things are fine.

Thank you to all of you who answered so quickly!



On 02/12/2018 11:35 AM, The Wolf wrote:

Hello

try removing jaws 2018 and see if that fixes the issue

the problem I was running in to was a dll issue but removing jaws 2018 and just running jaws18 has seemed to fix the problem

hth
Hank

On 2/12/2018 9:27 AM, Gene wrote:
Since the person hasn't responded who wrote about the problem, his screen name is The Wolf, I'll say that this problem may or may not be what I thought it likely was but here is something you can try if you are currently running JAWS 2018.  It is a message he sent the list two or three weeks ago.  You can have as many copies of JAWS on your machine as you wish so you can try this and see if it solves the problem.  If not, you can try other things others have suggested.  I'm not optimistic about this trial and error method but you never know.  But doing what is discussed in the below quoted message is easy and if it solves the problem, you can just leave two copies of JAWS on your machine.  I think that if you install another copy of JAWS, you will have to create a short cut command such as control j for whatever version you want to be able to run in that way.  I believe that if you have a current shortcut, it will be removed but you will have to check about that.
Also, you may have to reset the run before boot up and whatever other commands there are that are relevant.  But I wouldn't have JAWS 2018 run for now.  I wouldn't run it either during testing.  Just have JAWS 18 run.  Then see if you can run NVDA.  Try running the NVDA.exe file while JAWS 18 is running.  If it doesn't run, you can see if there is an error message.  If it runs, you will either have two screen-readers running at once or the NVDA installer will be smart enough to unload JAWS when the talking installer is ready to talk.
The message is below my signature.
Gene
Hello just for the hell of it I installed jaws 18 along with jaws 2018 and now the nvda doesn't give me the error message
not sure if installing jaws 18 fixed the jaws 2018 dll issue with nvda can any one please confirm this am trying to figure out if I need to send a nvda log with the error that it was giving me
something screwy is conflicting I mean I got the issue fixed for now but I need to see if I am the only one having this issue if not then I think a bug needs to be filed.
if I am the only one running in to this issue  what can I do to help track this issue?
Hank
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 5:13 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

That may be a useless procedure if the problem is what I think it is and it may not be a good idea in general for this reason:
How far back should you go? System restore only saves restore points for perhaps two or three months.  Unless the person has used a different version of JAWS during that time, going back won't help if the problem is what I suspect it is.  If it isn't. you could, of course, go back using System Restore to an earlier and earlier time, but without knowing what the problem is and since there was no time at which NVDA was known to run, this is not necessarily going to help anything.
And if it does solve the problem, and if the problem is what I think it is, how many changes have been made to the machine since then in programs and settings that will have to be done over?  Again, I would not do this or anything, until seeing if the person who appears to have had the same problem responds.
Gene
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*Subject:* Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Exactly, which is why I suggest going back to before it was first attempted
and proceeding step by step.
 Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the talking
installer doesn't talk.  Since the talking installer is actually the
portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem.
Something is keeping NVDA from running.  It's not that the talking installer
just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just as the
installed version isn't.

The other Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


Hi Chet





NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your
computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or press the
enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it does go
to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it.




NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part is the
documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after that tab
to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it will
then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to make a
portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary copy. Most
people would choose the first option and install it to your computer.




Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up say yes
to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab to itand
say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick.




When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for laptop
use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda

to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then arrow
to the different sections like the user manual under the help section etc

to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q




Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the insrt
key the extended insert key or the capslock key.




Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example would be the
insert key + letter Q







By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp and vista
was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3




If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the
latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also.




Gene nz












On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote:

  Hello,
  I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the commonwealth
of Pennsylvania.
  I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
  Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its
presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
  I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I did),
and received no response from the program, at all.
  Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and
launched NVDA.
  At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no longer
navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but the
voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I
believe comes with NVDA.
  In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers and the
voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be
functional, at all.
  So what is wrong?
  My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one
degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent JAWS and
its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
  One other thing:
  I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking
installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from it, of
course.
  Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA, and
received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said that I
was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows while JAWS
was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running in order
for a semblance of NVDA to appear
  I guess my basic question is this:
  why won't NVDA run on its own??
  In advance, Many thanks.

  Regards,
  Chet






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Gene
 

III don't see why NVDA used another sound card.  Did you, at some time, tell JAWS to use a specific sound card, different than the one it was using?  If so, that explains the problem.  Ordinarily, everything should use the default sound card unless instructed to do otherwise.  You can use two sound cards, a lot of blind people do, including me, at times.  Just as with JAWS, you can tell NVDA to use whichever soundcard you want it to use.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Well you didn't have to disable sound cards, just select the right 1 for
your default card and there is a button to check.




On 13/02/2018 8:11 a.m., chester michael wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I disabled a soundcard, yes, there were two running, and now, things
> are fine.
>
> Thank you to all of you who answered so quickly!
>
>
>
> On 02/12/2018 11:35 AM, The Wolf wrote:
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> try removing jaws 2018 and see if that fixes the issue
>>
>> the problem I was running in to was a dll issue but removing jaws
>> 2018 and just running jaws18 has seemed to fix the problem
>>
>> hth
>> Hank
>>
>> On 2/12/2018 9:27 AM, Gene wrote:
>>> Since the person hasn't responded who wrote about the problem, his
>>> screen name is The Wolf, I'll say that this problem may or may not
>>> be what I thought it likely was but here is something you can try if
>>> you are currently running JAWS 2018.  It is a message he sent the
>>> list two or three weeks ago.  You can have as many copies of JAWS on
>>> your machine as you wish so you can try this and see if it solves
>>> the problem.  If not, you can try other things others have
>>> suggested.  I'm not optimistic about this trial and error method but
>>> you never know.  But doing what is discussed in the below quoted
>>> message is easy and if it solves the problem, you can just leave two
>>> copies of JAWS on your machine.  I think that if you install another
>>> copy of JAWS, you will have to create a short cut command such as
>>> control j for whatever version you want to be able to run in that
>>> way.  I believe that if you have a current shortcut, it will be
>>> removed but you will have to check about that.
>>> Also, you may have to reset the run before boot up and whatever
>>> other commands there are that are relevant.  But I wouldn't have
>>> JAWS 2018 run for now.  I wouldn't run it either during testing. 
>>> Just have JAWS 18 run.  Then see if you can run NVDA.  Try running
>>> the NVDA.exe file while JAWS 18 is running.  If it doesn't run, you
>>> can see if there is an error message.  If it runs, you will either
>>> have two screen-readers running at once or the NVDA installer will
>>> be smart enough to unload JAWS when the talking installer is ready
>>> to talk.
>>> The message is below my signature.
>>> Gene
>>> Hello just for the hell of it I installed jaws 18 along with jaws
>>> 2018 and now the nvda doesn't give me the error message
>>> not sure if installing jaws 18 fixed the jaws 2018 dll issue with
>>> nvda can any one please confirm this am trying to figure out if I
>>> need to send a nvda log with the error that it was giving me
>>> something screwy is conflicting I mean I got the issue fixed for now
>>> but I need to see if I am the only one having this issue if not then
>>> I think a bug needs to be filed.
>>> if I am the only one running in to this issue  what can I do to help
>>> track this issue?
>>> Hank
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 5:13 AM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost
>>>
>>> That may be a useless procedure if the problem is what I think it is
>>> and it may not be a good idea in general for this reason:
>>> How far back should you go? System restore only saves restore points
>>> for perhaps two or three months.  Unless the person has used a
>>> different version of JAWS during that time, going back won't help if
>>> the problem is what I suspect it is.  If it isn't. you could, of
>>> course, go back using System Restore to an earlier and earlier time,
>>> but without knowing what the problem is and since there was no time
>>> at which NVDA was known to run, this is not necessarily going to
>>> help anything.
>>> And if it does solve the problem, and if the problem is what I think
>>> it is, how many changes have been made to the machine since then in
>>> programs and settings that will have to be done over?  Again, I
>>> would not do this or anything, until seeing if the person who
>>> appears to have had the same problem responds.
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>>> <mailto:bglists@...>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:59 AM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost
>>>
>>> Exactly, which is why I suggest going back to before it was first
>>> attempted
>>> and proceeding step by step.
>>>  Brian
>>>
>>> bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...>
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>> briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...>, putting
>>> 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Gene" <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost
>>>
>>>
>>> It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the
>>> talking
>>> installer doesn't talk.  Since the talking installer is actually the
>>> portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem.
>>> Something is keeping NVDA from running.  It's not that the talking
>>> installer
>>> just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just
>>> as the
>>> installed version isn't.
>>>
>>> The other Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Gene New Zealand
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Chet
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your
>>> computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or
>>> press the
>>> enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it
>>> does go
>>> to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part
>>> is the
>>> documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after
>>> that tab
>>> to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it
>>> will
>>> then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to
>>> make a
>>> portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary
>>> copy. Most
>>> people would choose the first option and install it to your computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up
>>> say yes
>>> to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab
>>> to itand
>>> say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for
>>> laptop
>>> use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda
>>>
>>> to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then
>>> arrow
>>> to the different sections like the user manual under the help
>>> section etc
>>>
>>> to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the
>>> insrt
>>> key the extended insert key or the capslock key.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example
>>> would be the
>>> insert key + letter Q
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp
>>> and vista
>>> was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the
>>> latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gene nz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote:
>>>
>>>   Hello,
>>>   I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the
>>> commonwealth
>>> of Pennsylvania.
>>>   I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
>>>   Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its
>>> presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
>>>   I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I
>>> did),
>>> and received no response from the program, at all.
>>>   Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and
>>> launched NVDA.
>>>   At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no
>>> longer
>>> navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but
>>> the
>>> voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I
>>> believe comes with NVDA.
>>>   In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers
>>> and the
>>> voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be
>>> functional, at all.
>>>   So what is wrong?
>>>   My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one
>>> degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent
>>> JAWS and
>>> its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
>>>   One other thing:
>>>   I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking
>>> installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from
>>> it, of
>>> course.
>>>   Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA,
>>> and
>>> received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said
>>> that I
>>> was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows
>>> while JAWS
>>> was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running
>>> in order
>>> for a semblance of NVDA to appear
>>>   I guess my basic question is this:
>>>   why won't NVDA run on its own??
>>>   In advance, Many thanks.
>>>
>>>   Regards,
>>>   Chet
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
>>> material
>>> at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are
>>> in New
>>> Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of
>>> the NVDA
>>> screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations
>>> (or
>>> location) is near to you please visit
>>> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
>>> (Aotearoa
>>> People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near
>>> you, please
>>> visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
>>> certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified
>>> individuals
>>> from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
>>> expert
>>> exam.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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What I do is say I want to use another card for say windows, or something.

1.  plugin card, everything switches over.

2.  switch nvda to the card I want.

3.  switch apps I want on one card to whatever card.

Usually this is with teamtalk.

Now, before I do the removal I switch all apps including nvda to the sound mapper or primary driver.

Then I remove the other card.

Technically most apps should detect and switch back but nvda doesn't and teamtalk doesn't.

I have had it where my brother set his earphones as a default card.

Take them out, and the sounds stop working.

I just can't plug a particular device back in to switch them back.

I need to switch the headphones back in, to switch default back to the sound card that is in the system.

Sadly windows can from time to time switch cards depending what is loaded first.

You just have to remember what was what.

Disabling the card will work but what if you need it again.

My cards are usb so I only plug them in when I need them.

On 13/02/2018 10:45 a.m., Gene wrote:
III don't see why NVDA used another sound card. Did you, at some time, tell JAWS to use a specific sound card, different than the one it was using? If so, that explains the problem. Ordinarily, everything should use the default sound card unless instructed to do otherwise. You can use two sound cards, a lot of blind people do, including me, at times. Just as with JAWS, you can tell NVDA to use whichever soundcard you want it to use.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


Well you didn't have to disable sound cards, just select the right 1 for
your default card and there is a button to check.




On 13/02/2018 8:11 a.m., chester michael wrote:
Greetings,

I disabled a soundcard, yes, there were two running, and now, things
are fine.

Thank you to all of you who answered so quickly!



On 02/12/2018 11:35 AM, The Wolf wrote:
Hello

try removing jaws 2018 and see if that fixes the issue

the problem I was running in to was a dll issue but removing jaws
2018 and just running jaws18 has seemed to fix the problem

hth
Hank

On 2/12/2018 9:27 AM, Gene wrote:
Since the person hasn't responded who wrote about the problem, his
screen name is The Wolf, I'll say that this problem may or may not
be what I thought it likely was but here is something you can try if
you are currently running JAWS 2018. It is a message he sent the
list two or three weeks ago. You can have as many copies of JAWS on
your machine as you wish so you can try this and see if it solves
the problem. If not, you can try other things others have
suggested. I'm not optimistic about this trial and error method but
you never know. But doing what is discussed in the below quoted
message is easy and if it solves the problem, you can just leave two
copies of JAWS on your machine. I think that if you install another
copy of JAWS, you will have to create a short cut command such as
control j for whatever version you want to be able to run in that
way. I believe that if you have a current shortcut, it will be
removed but you will have to check about that.
Also, you may have to reset the run before boot up and whatever
other commands there are that are relevant. But I wouldn't have
JAWS 2018 run for now. I wouldn't run it either during testing.
Just have JAWS 18 run. Then see if you can run NVDA. Try running
the NVDA.exe file while JAWS 18 is running. If it doesn't run, you
can see if there is an error message. If it runs, you will either
have two screen-readers running at once or the NVDA installer will
be smart enough to unload JAWS when the talking installer is ready
to talk.
The message is below my signature.
Gene
Hello just for the hell of it I installed jaws 18 along with jaws
2018 and now the nvda doesn't give me the error message
not sure if installing jaws 18 fixed the jaws 2018 dll issue with
nvda can any one please confirm this am trying to figure out if I
need to send a nvda log with the error that it was giving me
something screwy is conflicting I mean I got the issue fixed for now
but I need to see if I am the only one having this issue if not then
I think a bug needs to be filed.
if I am the only one running in to this issue what can I do to help
track this issue?
Hank
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 5:13 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

That may be a useless procedure if the problem is what I think it is
and it may not be a good idea in general for this reason:
How far back should you go? System restore only saves restore points
for perhaps two or three months. Unless the person has used a
different version of JAWS during that time, going back won't help if
the problem is what I suspect it is. If it isn't. you could, of
course, go back using System Restore to an earlier and earlier time,
but without knowing what the problem is and since there was no time
at which NVDA was known to run, this is not necessarily going to
help anything.
And if it does solve the problem, and if the problem is what I think
it is, how many changes have been made to the machine since then in
programs and settings that will have to be done over? Again, I
would not do this or anything, until seeing if the person who
appears to have had the same problem responds.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<mailto:bglists@...>
*Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:59 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost

Exactly, which is why I suggest going back to before it was first
attempted
and proceeding step by step.
Brian

bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...>
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...>, putting
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


It's clear that the person has tried to run the exe file and the
talking
installer doesn't talk. Since the talking installer is actually the
portable version of NVDA, this problem is related to the other problem.
Something is keeping NVDA from running. It's not that the talking
installer
just doesn't talk, the portable version of NVDA isn't running, just
as the
installed version isn't.

The other Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] a newcomer, who is seemingly lost


Hi Chet





NVDA has a talking installer. After you have downloaded nvda to your
computer and located the file say nvda 2017.4 then you click or
press the
enter key on the file. It may come up with a security message if it
does go
to the run button i think it isthen press the enter key on it.




NVDA should start up with a musical type of tune and the first part
is the
documentation you can arrown down and up this section to read after
that tab
to a check box then press the space bar to agree to it. Tab again it
will
then give you 3 options. one to install to your pc, the second to
make a
portable copy for a usb stick and the third to run as a temporary
copy. Most
people would choose the first option and install it to your computer.




Just follow the directions to install it. If a UAC screen comes up
say yes
to it the shortcut key is I think alt key + Y or you can simply tab
to itand
say yes. it should then keep on stalling to your pc and is very quick.




When it gets installed if you are using the desktop version same for
laptop
use the alt + ctrl + letter N to start your copy of nvda

to get into the preferences of nvda use the nvda key + letter N then
arrow
to the different sections like the user manual under the help
section etc

to turn off nvda use the nvda key +letter Q




Where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key and can be the
insrt
key the extended insert key or the capslock key.




Depending which one you choose say to turn off nvda for example
would be the
insert key + letter Q







By the way which operating system are you using as support for xp
and vista
was dropped and the latest version of nvda for that is nvda 2017.3




If you have a windows 7 machine and up it doesnot matter but go for the
latest nvda.NVDA will work on 8 and 10 also.




Gene nz












On 2/12/2018 10:13 AM, chester michael wrote:

Hello,
I am a newcomer to this list. I'm Chet Smalley, I live in the
commonwealth
of Pennsylvania.
I have tried, repeatedly, to install NVDA.
Today I uninstalled JAWS 2018 completely thinking that perhaps its
presence had been the preventing force, heretofore.
I then installed the latest version of NVDA (at least I believe I
did),
and received no response from the program, at all.
Then, I reinstalled JAWS 2018, and then unloaded it from memory and
launched NVDA.
At that juncture, NVDA was apparently working because I could no
longer
navigate using the numpad instead of the traditional arrow keys, but
the
voice I was hearing was that of eloquence, not the default voice that I
believe comes with NVDA.
In addition to installing NVDA today, I also installed the drivers
and the
voices for some alternative voices, but again, these don't appear to be
functional, at all.
So what is wrong?
My thought is that my anti virus program, AVG, is interfering to one
degree or another; but the most significant problem is, that absent
JAWS and
its speech engine, NVDA does not work.
One other thing:
I was under the impression that NVDA was equipped with a talking
installer. I did not find anyway to load that, nor to benefit from
it, of
course.
Now I just removed JAWS from memory again, and tried to load NVDA,
and
received no response. So I may have been wrong earlier, when I said
that I
was seemingly navigating with NVDA using the traditional arrows
while JAWS
was removed from memory; rather, I suspect JAWS needs to be running
in order
for a semblance of NVDA to appear
I guess my basic question is this:
why won't NVDA run on its own??
In advance, Many thanks.

Regards,
Chet






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